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Feel free to close if not helpful. I downloaded the Windows binary posted today, with dependencies included, and gave it a naive try using my setup. Naturally I ran into some problems. But when I went to exit, my `kill-emacs-query-functions' code that checks for changes to user option values (using function `customize-unsaved') let me know that something had changed these option values (I had not changed them): connection-local-criteria-alist Its value is (((:application tramp) tramp-connection-local-default-system-profile tramp-connection-local-defa= ult-shell-profile)) Original value was nil connection-local-profile-alist The value is a long, complex Tramp alist. Original value was nil. So it looks like Tramp (?) might be messing with user-ooption values, without resetting their state to tell Customize that they haven't been changed since last saved. This should be a no-no. HTH. In GNU Emacs 29.0.60 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2023-03-10 Repository revision: 6fe9075ff3814ce825c9869c901903edad9d0b44 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 Configured using: `configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install --with-tree-sitter CFLAGS=3D-O2' From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) 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Feel free to close if not > helpful. > > I downloaded the Windows binary posted today, with dependencies > included, and gave it a naive try using my setup. Naturally I ran into > some problems. But when I went to exit, my `kill-emacs-query-functions' > code that checks for changes to user option values (using function > `customize-unsaved') let me know that something had changed these option > values (I had not changed them): > > connection-local-criteria-alist > > Its value is > > (((:application tramp) > tramp-connection-local-default-system-profile tramp-connection-local-default-shell-profile)) > > Original value was nil > > > connection-local-profile-alist > > The value is a long, complex Tramp alist. Original value was nil. > > So it looks like Tramp (?) might be messing with user-ooption values, > without resetting their state to tell Customize that they haven't been > changed since last saved. This should be a no-no. Let's CC Michael (I mean, the other one). He changed that in 6058d3ebb41 - Respect customization nature of `connection-local-*' user options. Dunno what the intention was - could we use `setopt' here? Michael. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Drew Adams Subject: bug#62106: closed (Re: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?)) Message-ID: References: <87mt4jfdry.fsf@gmx.de> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 62106 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 62106@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2023 16:35:03 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1678552503-5980-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1678552503-5980-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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Naturally I ran into >> some problems. But when I went to exit, my `kill-emacs-query-functions' >> code that checks for changes to user option values (using function >> `customize-unsaved') let me know that something had changed these option >> values (I had not changed them): >> >> connection-local-criteria-alist >> >> Its value is >> >> (((:application tramp) >> tramp-connection-local-default-system-profile tramp-connection-local-default-shell-profile)) >> >> Original value was nil >> >> >> connection-local-profile-alist >> >> The value is a long, complex Tramp alist. Original value was nil. >> >> So it looks like Tramp (?) might be messing with user-ooption values, >> without resetting their state to tell Customize that they haven't been >> changed since last saved. This should be a no-no. > > Let's CC Michael (I mean, the other one). He changed that in > 6058d3ebb41 - Respect customization nature of `connection-local-*' user > options. > > Dunno what the intention was - could we use `setopt' here? `setopt' does not really help. Using `customize-save-variable' instead of `customize-set-variable' does the trick. Pushed to the emacs-29 branch, closing the bug. Pls reply if it doesn't work as expected. > Michael. 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Feel free to close if not helpful. I downloaded the Windows binary posted today, with dependencies included, and gave it a naive try using my setup. Naturally I ran into some problems. But when I went to exit, my `kill-emacs-query-functions' code that checks for changes to user option values (using function `customize-unsaved') let me know that something had changed these option values (I had not changed them): connection-local-criteria-alist Its value is (((:application tramp) tramp-connection-local-default-system-profile tramp-connection-local-defa= ult-shell-profile)) Original value was nil connection-local-profile-alist The value is a long, complex Tramp alist. Original value was nil. So it looks like Tramp (?) might be messing with user-ooption values, without resetting their state to tell Customize that they haven't been changed since last saved. This should be a no-no. HTH. In GNU Emacs 29.0.60 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2023-03-10 Repository revision: 6fe9075ff3814ce825c9869c901903edad9d0b44 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 Configured using: `configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install --with-tree-sitter CFLAGS=3D-O2' ------------=_1678552503-5980-1-- From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) 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Using `customize-save-variable' instead > of `customize-set-variable' does the trick. >=20 > Pushed to the emacs-29 branch, closing the bug. Pls reply if it doesn't > work as expected. Thanks for working on this. Without studying this at all, I'm guessing tha= t `customize-save-variable' is the wrong thing to do. Doesn't that mean th= at you're not only changing a user-option value, but you're also doing so p= ermanently (persistently)? If so, isn't that even _worse_? Wouldn't this be better - pseudo-saving, i.e., making Customize treat a cha= nged option as if it were unchanged, _without_ saving it? (put SYMBOL 'saved-value (list (custom-quote (default-value SYMBOL))))) _________ FWIW, I define these functions (commands), based on that. ;; Use this one anywhere. ;; (defun customize-consider-all-vars-unchanged () "Consider all customizable variables as saved, without saving them." (interactive) (when (interactive-p) (message "Please wait...")) (mapatoms (lambda (symbol) (when (and (or (custom-variable-p symbol) (user-variable-p symbol)) (default-boundp symbol) ; Value neither saved nor standard. (not (member (list (custom-quote (default-value symbol))) (list (get symbol 'saved-value) (get symbol 'standard-value))))) ;; Pretend the current value has been saved. (put symbol 'saved-value (list (custom-quote (default-value symbol))= ))) (put symbol 'customized-value nil) (when (get symbol 'customized-variable-comment) (put symbol 'saved-variable-comment (get symbol 'customized-variable-comment))) (put symbol 'customized-variable-comment nil))) (message "All variables are now considered unchanged (\"saved\"),\ but they were not saved.")) ________________ ;; Use this in the Customize UI. ;; (defun Custom-consider-unchanged (&rest _IGNORED) "Consider all preferences here as being unchanged now. This does not save the current values; it just considers them to be unchanged values. If no further changes are made to any of these preferences, then after doing this, `customize-customize' will not display any of these preferences, since they were considered unchanged." (interactive) (if (not (y-or-n-p "All of these values will be considered \ unchanged now, without being saved. Continue? ")) (message nil) (message "Please wait...") (let ((children custom-options)) (dolist (child children) (let ((symbol (widget-get-tag-or-value child))) (cond ((custom-facep symbol) (custom-consider-face-unchanged child)) ((custom-variable-p symbol) (custom-consider-variable-unchanged child)))))) (message "Current values here are now considered unchanged.\ They were not saved."))) ;; Inspired from `custom-variable-save'. ;; Due to a `cus-edit.el' bug (hidden widgets are not saved), we need to te= mporarily ;; show hidden widgets. ;; ;; Should we (put symbol 'saved-value...) only if not ;; (eq (widget-get widget :custom-state) 'standard), as in `custom-face-sav= e'? ;; (defun custom-consider-variable-unchanged (widget) "Consider this variable as being unchanged now. This does not save the current value; it just considers the value to be unchanged. If no further changes are made to this variable, then after doing this, `customize-customize' will not display this variable, since it was considered unchanged." (message "Please wait...") (let ((form (widget-get widget :custom-form)) (hidden-p (eq (widget-get widget :custom-state) 'hidden))) (when hidden-p ; Show it. (widget-put widget :custom-state 'unknown) (custom-redraw widget) (setq form (widget-get widget :custom-form))) (let ((child (car (widget-get widget :children))) (symbol (widget-value widget))) (cond ((memq form '(lisp mismatch)) (put symbol 'saved-value (list (widget-value child)))) (t (put symbol 'saved-value (list (custom-quote (widget-value child)))))) (put symbol 'customized-value nil) (put symbol 'customized-variable-comment nil)) (widget-put widget :custom-state 'saved) (when hidden-p ; Hide it again. (widget-put widget :documentation-shown nil) (widget-put widget :custom-state 'hidden) (custom-redraw widget))) (custom-redraw-magic widget) (message "Current variable value is now considered unchanged.\ It was not saved.")) _______ https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/download/cus-edit%2b.el From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) 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Using `customize-save-variable' instead > of `customize-set-variable' does the trick. This seems like something that would be better handled via multisession.el, no? I think that library should really be made an ELPA package (possibly without the SQLite stuff), cf. bug#59995. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) 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Using `customize-save-variable' instead >> of `customize-set-variable' does the trick. >> >> Pushed to the emacs-29 branch, closing the bug. Pls reply if it doesn't >> work as expected. > > Thanks for working on this. Without studying this at all, I'm > guessing that `customize-save-variable' is the wrong thing to do. > Doesn't that mean that you're not only changing a user-option value, > but you're also doing so permanently (persistently)? If so, isn't > that even _worse_? Oops, that's true. > Wouldn't this be better - pseudo-saving, i.e., making Customize treat a = changed option as if it were unchanged, _without_ saving it? > > (put SYMBOL 'saved-value > (list (custom-quote (default-value SYMBOL))))) I've tested further, and it looks like `custom-set-variables' does already what we want. So I've modifed my change in the emacs-29 branch accordingly. It would be great if you could counter test once the recent emacs-29 branch is on your laptop. Best regards, Michael. 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So I've modifed my change in the emacs-29 branch > accordingly. Yes, I think that'll do it. Thx. > It would be great if you could counter test once the recent emacs-29 > branch is on your laptop. No idea when that might happen, and I'll likely have forgotten about this bug by then. ;-) I depend on MS Windows snapshots for builds. I think things are probably good now. Thx. From unknown Sun Jun 22 07:58:48 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#62106: 29.0.60; Emacs 29 changing user option values (?) Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:39:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 62106 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: Michael Heerdegen , "62106@debbugs.gnu.org" <62106@debbugs.gnu.org> Received: via spool by 62106-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B62106.167863909411934 (code B ref 62106); Sun, 12 Mar 2023 16:39:02 +0000 Received: (at 62106) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Mar 2023 16:38:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33009 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbOi5-00036Q-Up for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 12:38:14 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:45351) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pbOi3-000369-6G for 62106@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 12:38:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.de; s=s31663417; t=1678639081; i=michael.albinus@gmx.de; bh=xLmC+DNGwUwwpWQYOqj88ClmgxDg1ka+7MYbaHtRTrc=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=MLcDbOian+Mzim/rnluTTcM6CB+0GCWR0+EOH6MCv58hSehqm4+SBvAbW1/++ny/d +kCp0B91HnDiQ9NKCaAuT6gSBeBdH2WickpxJZY9Vr/iRKthVg2C346SoP6CnelkBq i/Z7MJ25OHlW3zjAk0Lr6J6oDDsGpmXQEmnHsbpOGzhMpbtF+T5k6BQ9TLUoqoeRPB J4a3tp83z8OfhSBemy0Z7lIxUwXrNsFQK+VuKUqtnnF8251FfmFO/P/Jy4qxLiZ74B ESMK98fS1gLLYOm7lEocyKNIxShBDbfWLe4C878MCYGbLQFqa5lwFB/QO1vvnz/06N N6j+YRwYf9Xnw== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([185.89.39.22]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MXGr8-1q3JHa49IU-00YjKw; Sun, 12 Mar 2023 17:38:01 +0100 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 12 Mar 2023 15:16:24 +0000") References: <87jzzot17n.fsf@web.de> <87mt4jfdry.fsf@gmx.de> <87a60i46xg.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2023 17:37:59 +0100 Message-ID: <87ttyq2ae0.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:+V/Pia9qJxTn7edV831NZEc3VQV7a4tUioR4W/Y0yzbWssNJDW4 08FXVP6eMqdKPAcP0edMks1blroprpTuaF4O7xBX8Zx9vlnTCwfz1Sej5SPhH38e7T3dyuR e412X9y+p81HML8U94wBhc+9HxoC04nBu0GGu07QBRTsABN0pvnnEwRadTw+SRKY7HDz86Q 7eIm5LmYelTyXN78crzZA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:bapl96ZLkNY=;sV2anCaQb41IkBiGuIgOEWCy0w6 bAd+s86nsjxTrkhRq9APU7ozZ1eYzSl+UX070bNW3x+yIB4a/xkSWeTWYU3HLRlHhsXxIWSDq ZLynzdk3V549h8pRh+p/RxK2aKiIkCPj0su6Iq0EbGUNUPdT9vIyo05/LOW5qWr1FzDG4Toqz +4r6UhmaBGfeU0v4Eus3zIvHQ+n30upV927JFd/k4xduPguJcRpGunXz5NW0LbcaUV2ogmQAs UJ3IZFac3Dc0NaUqO5UoCBSxE7gD5nNfbVZmAtuM4JHADT+9XXOEN2sgsJoaQTV1BTuuWyAm4 lN4pBEjl2trKKyUW8PchVJN0Jvb8OXZFfiTpQQslsXAG7N+sahQ8uMmPFHMuVVux/0EgT+8Lo gTkGVdTe2G8oKXOTct21lFig/oPznZzyLlrBsOiNWt/YCwTPMz0FHeh7E/JIvL2eLOvEkvsYW v3u4Fo0gj+JM2V760T5E8mCENQ0KLWWB9AeFUR6GHCwdcIGHSvLkQOow4rfUW4dV5PNhh+XW4 2TmSLU4pEp39cpVpc6uelNEFe2Yk2Yj3+2RgqfhqjGpEX5VFSi0Q/kWyyO2trnMM75EPQhqt7 6IgwNpOaePv4OfkKPPByzv2F5xiumWRBhv32yA/lu8ih5pGgxc9hNLuldbjB7q66zUz+N/2EE 5OAMRigAqdnbHp/MYbW3jqf99YUof1f3Y6GUyO9DKajDsr3W3pGyUnJ+XtvlpOAYtOCP30pPE rjHXhW01dI6letHJUOE3LHg8aRoEFC43eA54hoaeLNhSkvrJceM8OAjLCrffJemUzPbp9U2KE wPSQwXqgsYvpD9lsjmwntqYXxmxyVMbeV0PrWJeuDZoe0Byzlq5qprxj3Z/rZMr2aq0wCZ8go ukOogmB0hztYbw3IcN2b5kZ1VU5eoZagTLxiIC7yMB5bvg15VxDYw5WawuCXZPLiwvPd0cUny vrpapA== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Drew Adams writes: Hi Drew, >> It would be great if you could counter test once the recent emacs-29 >> branch is on your laptop. > > No idea when that might happen, and I'll likely have > forgotten about this bug by then. ;-) I depend on > MS Windows snapshots for builds. I think things are > probably good now. Thx. There's no rush. The bug is closed, and like you I'll forget it, soon. You only need to holler when it doesn't work for you as expected. Best regards, Michael.