GNU bug report logs - #6180
23.2; Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or 'C-h h'

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From: David Ernst <DavidErnst <at> gmx.de>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.2;
	Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset'
	or 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 13 May 2010 01:11:09 +0200

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Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug
and the precise symptoms of the bug.  If you can, give
a recipe starting from `emacs -Q':

emacs from:
http://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/emacs/windows/emacs-23.2-bin-i386.zip

I.
1. runemacs.exe -Q
2. M-x describe-fontset
3. return
4. in *Help*-Buffer
5. page down or
6. C-s mule

*bang*

II.
1. runemacs.exe -Q
2. C-h h

*bang*

see crash.png

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please include the output from the following gdb commands:
    `bt full' and `xbacktrace'.
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In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600)
 of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600
configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags
-Ic:/xpm/include'

Important settings:
  value of $LC_ALL: nil
  value of $LC_COLLATE: nil
  value of $LC_CTYPE: nil
  value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil
  value of $LC_MONETARY: nil
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil
  value of $LC_TIME: nil
  value of $LANG: DEU
  value of $XMODIFIERS: nil
  locale-coding-system: cp1252
  default enable-multibyte-characters: t

Major mode: Fundamental

Minor modes in effect:
  tooltip-mode: t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  tool-bar-mode: t
  menu-bar-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode: t
  global-font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-encryption-mode: t
  auto-compression-mode: t
  line-number-mode: t
  transient-mark-mode: t

Recent input:
M-x <up> <down> <down> <down> <down> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
<backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace> <backspace>
<help-echo> <down-mouse-1> <mouse-1> r e p o r t <tab>
<return>

Recent messages:
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
goto-history-element: Beginning of history; no preceding item
call-interactively: Text is read-only
call-interactively: End of buffer

Load-path shadows:
None found.

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backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs)

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Message #8 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
To: 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:07:51 -0700

Windows XP has been completely EOL'd since April 8, 2014 (a little over
2 years at the time of writing). I'm not entirely sure of the official
policy on supporting OSes that are no longer supported by their vendor,
but I'm having a hard time imagining anyone using Emacs on Windows XP as
a development environment. I'm also thinking not very many people even
still have XP somewhere to test if this bug still exists - I certainly
don't.

The only thing that we can reasonably do IMO is check newer Windows and
see if problems persist.
-- 
~Robert Cochran

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Message #11 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net
To: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: David Ernst <DavidErnst <at> gmx.de>, 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 20:27:55 -0400

[Adding David Ernst back on cc, on the off chance he might still be
interested after all these years]

Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com> writes:

> Windows XP has been completely EOL'd since April 8, 2014 (a little over
> 2 years at the time of writing). I'm not entirely sure of the official
> policy on supporting OSes that are no longer supported by their
> vendor,

Well, in practice the policy is that we support whatever people are
willing to provide support for.  And Eli is willing to support Windows
versions that are even older than XP.

> The only thing that we can reasonably do IMO is check newer Windows and
> see if problems persist.

This sounds a lot like 23935 (i.e., it's likely to be font-specific),
though Drew reported (on Windows 7) that 24.5, 23.4.1, and 22.3 did not
crash when displaying HELLO.  I think we may as well close both as
unreproducible, as there doesn't seem to be any possiblity of making
progress on them.

Message #14 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com>
To: npostavs <at> users.sourceforge.net, Robert Cochran
 <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: David Ernst <DavidErnst <at> gmx.de>, 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: RE: bug#6180: 23.2; Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x
 describe-fontset' or 'C-h h'
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 17:38:49 -0700 (PDT)

> This sounds a lot like 23935 (i.e., it's likely to be font-specific),
> though Drew reported (on Windows 7) that 24.5, 23.4.1, and 22.3 did not
> crash when displaying HELLO.  I think we may as well close both as
> unreproducible, as there doesn't seem to be any possiblity of making
> progress on them.

Yes, the systematic crash I reported does not occur prior to Emacs 25
(I reported on a pretest).  And yes, I'm using Windows 7, 64-bit.

Message #17 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 05:38:55 +0300

> From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
> Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2016 13:07:51 -0700
> 
> I'm having a hard time imagining anyone using Emacs on Windows XP as
> a development environment.

I do.

Message #20 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 
 Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2; Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x
 describe-fontset' or 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 11:17:24 +0200

>> I'm having a hard time imagining anyone using Emacs on Windows XP as
>> a development environment.
>
> I do.

So do I.

martin

Message #23 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
To: martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>,
 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:05:34 -0700

martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at> writes:

>>> I'm having a hard time imagining anyone using Emacs on Windows XP as
>>> a development environment.
>>
>> I do.
>
> So do I.

Whatever works for you guys, I guess. I'll be honest, that comes as a
surprise to me. I'd figure most developers would be on a more recent
Windows or a *nix system.

That does leave me curious - why?

-- 
~Robert Cochran

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Message #26 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: rudalics <at> gmx.at, robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com, 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 22:12:11 +0300

> From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>,  6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 12:05:34 -0700
> 
> martin rudalics <rudalics <at> gmx.at> writes:
> 
> That does leave me curious - why?

Why what? why Windows or why XP?

Message #29 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 18:18:07 -0400

[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider    ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > The only thing that we can reasonably do IMO is check newer Windows and
  > see if problems persist.

We can say that we will accept a fix if someone provides one.

Windows -- ANY version of Windows -- is a secondary platform for us.
As is MacOS.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman
President, Free Software Foundation (gnu.org, fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (internethalloffame.org)
Skype: No way! See stallman.org/skype.html.

Message #32 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: rudalics <at> gmx.at, Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>,
 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:16:00 -0700

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

> Why what? why Windows or why XP?

Why XP mostly. I can understand why people may prefer or be forced to
use Windows (even though that's something I personally try hard to
avoid), but I'd figure anyone that could have moved on from XP would
have by now. Especially because, as I mentioned, XP is no longer
receiving any updates or security fixes of any sort, making XP users
relatively more vulnerable (although I acknowledge that the knowledgeable
can take measures to reduce the risk).

If you're still using XP, there's obviously a reason of some sort, by
choice or otherwise. I hadn't realized that some people on the Emacs
lists were still using XP, otherwise I would have responded
differently. Please don't take what I've already said in a negative or
derogatory way.
-- 
~Robert Cochran

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Message #35 received at 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
Cc: rudalics <at> gmx.at, 6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#6180: 23.2;
 Windows XP: crash when scrolling down after 'M-x describe-fontset' or
 'C-h h'
Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2016 09:30:07 +0300

> From: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>
> Cc: Robert Cochran <robert-emacs <at> cochranmail.com>,  rudalics <at> gmx.at,  6180 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 25 Aug 2016 21:16:00 -0700
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> > Why what? why Windows or why XP?
> 
> Why XP mostly.

This is no longer relevant to the bug report, so I will respond on
emacs-devel.

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