From unknown Sun Jun 22 15:24:02 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#6174 <6174@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#6174 <6174@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading Reply-To: bug#6174 <6174@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 22:24:02 +0000 retitle 6174 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading reassign 6174 emacs submitter 6174 "Drew Adams" severity 6174 minor tag 6174 fixed thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue May 11 16:06:31 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 May 2010 20:06:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBvip-0005UI-9V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:31 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBvil-0005UC-SE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:28 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:58462) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OBvih-0005un-Bn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:23 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46367 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OBvif-00026Z-Da for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:22 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=unavailable version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBvid-0004xG-Bd for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:21 -0400 Received: from rcsinet10.oracle.com ([148.87.113.121]:52067) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBvid-0004wy-6J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 11 May 2010 16:06:19 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by rcsinet10.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4BK67v3010220 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:06:12 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o4BGLY08030807 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 20:06:06 GMT Received: from abhmt015.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 256057701273608317; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:05:17 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.160.154) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 11 May 2010 13:05:16 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 13:05:18 -0700 Message-ID: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Thread-Index: AcrxRUdLsdRGgGBpSqi1Q0WTgcXnkQ== X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-Source-IP: acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227] X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090209.4BE9B8B6.0052:SCFMA922111,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -5.4 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) emacs -Q Admittedly, I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to mouse-sel-mode. I don't think I even knew it existed, but perhaps I looked at it years ago - I see that it has been around a long time. Reading the doc, both doc strings and source-file comments, my impression is that the doc is very misleading. >From what I could gather by experimenting, 99.99% of the behavior that is documented is already the mouse behavior in Emacs, that is, with mouse-sel-mode turned off. AFAICT, the only real difference is that when the mode is turned on the selection is not copied to the kill-ring. The kill-ring is unaffected, except if you do some specific extra things. I'm probably missing something here, so please clue me in. It seems unlikely that that would be the only, or even the main, difference, given that so much of the doc speaks about selecting. But when I try the things it says about selection (double-clicking, mouse-1 mouse-3, etc.) they all seem to be the vanilla behavior with emacs -Q. Anyway, if I'm at all on target here, then I suggest that the doc should be cleaned up - and possibly the mode renamed, to reflect the fact that it does *not* change how things are selected (very much, if at all), but rather it changes what happens to the selection (not copied to the kill-ring). If I had to guess, I'd guess that this doc has never been updated since Emacs itself adopted the same selection behavior. And that was eons ago. IOW, maybe mouse-sel-mode was just the first code to provide such behavior - dunno. In GNU Emacs 23.2.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-05-08 on G41R2F1 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/xpm/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jul 02 21:10:30 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Jul 2011 01:10:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdBCg-0006sL-8r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:10:30 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdBCe-0006rn-8J for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 02 Jul 2011 21:10:28 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdBCT-0006h7-56; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:10:17 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading In-Reply-To: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Tue, 11 May 2010 13:05:18 -0700") Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:10:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Various's _Polska! Year_: "Piotr Zabrodzki-Tatsuya Yoshida - April in Random" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:6174@debbugs.gnu.org::ZC/1kzegf7kLe7gq:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000VS6Z X-Hashcash: 1:23:110703:drew.adams@oracle.com::6L6pHg3EygqvRyRy:0000000000000000000000000000000000000002o7Cc MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QdBCT-0006h7-56 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310260217.22222@PVcoJh/6HQw2FXoWNva00Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) "Drew Adams" writes: > From what I could gather by experimenting, 99.99% of the behavior that > is documented is already the mouse behavior in Emacs, that is, with > mouse-sel-mode turned off. > > AFAICT, the only real difference is that when the mode is turned on the > selection is not copied to the kill-ring. The kill-ring is unaffected, > except if you do some specific extra things. [...] > If I had to guess, I'd guess that this doc has never been updated since > Emacs itself adopted the same selection behavior. And that was eons > ago. IOW, maybe mouse-sel-mode was just the first code to provide such > behavior - dunno. Yes, looking at the documentation, I think that's right. Perhaps mouse-sel-mode should be marked as deprecated? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jul 03 21:33:01 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 01:33:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdY21-0001tp-Ci for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:33:01 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdY20-0001tf-2J for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:33:00 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av0EACYYEU5FxIxr/2dsb2JhbABSp3t4iHrBaYY2BJ5chCw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.65,469,1304308800"; d="scan'208";a="120225011" Received: from 69-196-140-107.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([69.196.140.107]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP/TLS/ADH-AES256-SHA; 03 Jul 2011 21:32:30 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 6FD6B59173; Sun, 3 Jul 2011 21:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:32:30 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 03 Jul 2011 03:10:06 +0200") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) >> From what I could gather by experimenting, 99.99% of the behavior that >> is documented is already the mouse behavior in Emacs, that is, with >> mouse-sel-mode turned off. >> >> AFAICT, the only real difference is that when the mode is turned on the >> selection is not copied to the kill-ring. The kill-ring is unaffected, >> except if you do some specific extra things. > [...] >> If I had to guess, I'd guess that this doc has never been updated since >> Emacs itself adopted the same selection behavior. And that was eons >> ago. IOW, maybe mouse-sel-mode was just the first code to provide such >> behavior - dunno. > Yes, looking at the documentation, I think that's right. > Perhaps mouse-sel-mode should be marked as deprecated? Probably. Let's do that for Emacs-24.2. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 08:24:37 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Jul 2011 12:24:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdiCb-00056W-4K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 08:24:37 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdiCY-000569-AL for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 08:24:35 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QdiCM-0008TB-NQ; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:24:22 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:32:30 -0400") Date: Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:20:43 +0200 Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joanna Newsom's _Have One On Me (2)_: "Go Long" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110704:drew.adams@oracle.com::LrI29/acDrTOeOTT:0000000000000000000000000000000000000000Aj3+ X-Hashcash: 1:23:110704:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::JZPJ/I1DCI8Ni1F3:0000000000000000000000000000000000000XVt0 X-Hashcash: 1:23:110704:6174@debbugs.gnu.org::01YzekUxBuc5Cv+i:00000000000000000000000000000000000000001JIne MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QdiCM-0008TB-NQ X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310387062.80663@yk++QpZ+3Decbi4ZFgctIQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Stefan Monnier writes: > Probably. Let's do that for Emacs-24.2. Is there a tag in debbugs for "wait until later"? It seems it might be handy, especially since we're going into a feature freeze... -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Jul 04 20:21:59 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 00:22:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdtOp-0005Ik-HZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:21:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QdtOo-0005IZ-1l for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:21:58 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46869) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QdtOg-0005jg-48; Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:21:50 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> X-Spook: CBNRC investigation Mole Blowpipe USDOJ BLU-114/B X-Ran: :bm$m?Ljl5cQaj.w|V4P8emDYNI,,Zw`.aqD!nZJlRvAU (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:20:43 +0200") Message-ID: <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Is there a tag in debbugs for "wait until later"? It seems it might be > handy, especially since we're going into a feature freeze... You can add whatever "usertags" you like; see admin/notes/bugtracker. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 09:51:43 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Jul 2011 13:51:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe62Q-0007au-6r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:51:43 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe62N-0007ag-9W for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 09:51:40 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qe62B-0000rD-Uq; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:51:27 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading In-Reply-To: <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Mon, 04 Jul 2011 20:21:49 -0400") Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:51:23 +0200 Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Joanna Newsom's _Have One On Me (2)_: "Go Long" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:6174@debbugs.gnu.org::wgBzNSZwia7vGKp4:000000000000000000000000000000000000000002mnj X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::y6nhxP8WOO2XNX4U:0000000000000000000000000000000000000CF6C X-Hashcash: 1:23:110705:rgm@gnu.org::oZNx8JwW1il36ezm:000000zdmk MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qe62B-0000rD-Uq X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310478688.07995@+02UbEf8aeUWu3f68wpDXQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > >> Is there a tag in debbugs for "wait until later"? It seems it might be >> handy, especially since we're going into a feature freeze... > > You can add whatever "usertags" you like; see admin/notes/bugtracker. Right. If we want to have such a tag (that would mean "this will have to wait until the next release"), we should probably standardise on a single flag, though. What about "pending"? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jul 05 22:49:04 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2011 02:49:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeIAh-0005rR-H9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:49:03 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeIAe-0005qx-6W for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57504) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1QeIAX-0001WO-FQ; Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:48:53 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-Spook: Honduras Ansar al-Islam [Hello to all my friends and fans X-Ran: %-9Z_~vO;8)g2bOBDoGh9lN!Qw%ZIZ1LK2gxb2$zK/Sf(t?k]\wF=kiuZdm*l-@uvD*JCg X-Hue: red X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:48:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 15:51:23 +0200") Message-ID: <44y60cdsyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Right. If we want to have such a tag (that would mean "this will have > to wait until the next release"), we should probably standardise on a > single flag, though. > > What about "pending"? I was thinking of something more specific like: user emacs24.2 usertags fixme but since "pending" is sufficiently general to be applicable to other debbugs packages (and since bugs.debian.org supports it), you can have that as a "normal" tag, if "the Emacs community" would like such a tag. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 06 12:57:15 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2011 16:57:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVPW-0004Z8-RB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:57:15 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVPS-0004Yl-IT for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 12:57:11 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QeVPH-000754-1I; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:56:59 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Glenn Morris Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading In-Reply-To: <44y60cdsyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> (Glenn Morris's message of "Tue, 05 Jul 2011 22:48:53 -0400") Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:56:53 +0200 Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <44y60cdsyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Demdike Stare's _Tryptych (3): Voices Of Dust_: "Leptonic Matter" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110706:6174@debbugs.gnu.org::EQYO55fCVxfZPIBD:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000QYmf X-Hashcash: 1:23:110706:monnier@iro.umontreal.ca::F1d3UN7iKFm+uib4:0000000000000000000000000000000000000GVYc X-Hashcash: 1:23:110706:rgm@gnu.org::7ACE4XR7XnPi8Sjd:000000MSLv MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1QeVPH-000754-1I X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1310576219.24964@Yi/xY36thoLSRnnQy4wRww X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Glenn Morris writes: > I was thinking of something more specific like: > > user emacs24.2 > usertags fixme > > but since "pending" is sufficiently general to be applicable to other > debbugs packages (and since bugs.debian.org supports it), you can have > that as a "normal" tag, if "the Emacs community" would like such a tag. What do the rest of you think? The suggestion is to add the flag "pending" for stuff that should be done (and we know how to do; like with a patch or the like), but that has to wait until after Emacs is opened up for new features the next cycle. This is not for "wishlist" stuff, but concrete fixes that should be applied, but not right now. The idea is that once the next cycle starts (in this case, Emacs 24), one could then go through all the "pending" bug reports pretty speedily and apply the stuff then. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 06 16:37:01 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jul 2011 20:37:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeYqC-0005N0-Mr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:37:00 -0400 Received: from md5i.com ([75.151.244.229] helo=maru.md5i.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QeYqB-0005Mn-B5 for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:36:59 -0400 Received: from md5i by maru.md5i.com with local (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1QeYq4-0004Dl-QV; Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:36:52 -0400 From: Michael Welsh Duggan To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <44y60cdsyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:36:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 06 Jul 2011 18:56:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87sjqjf8nv.fsf@maru.md5i.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Glenn Morris , Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Glenn Morris writes: > >> I was thinking of something more specific like: >> >> user emacs24.2 >> usertags fixme >> >> but since "pending" is sufficiently general to be applicable to other >> debbugs packages (and since bugs.debian.org supports it), you can have >> that as a "normal" tag, if "the Emacs community" would like such a tag. > > What do the rest of you think? > > The suggestion is to add the flag "pending" for stuff that should be > done (and we know how to do; like with a patch or the like), but that > has to wait until after Emacs is opened up for new features the next > cycle. > > This is not for "wishlist" stuff, but concrete fixes that should be > applied, but not right now. > > The idea is that once the next cycle starts (in this case, Emacs 24), > one could then go through all the "pending" bug reports pretty speedily > and apply the stuff then. Glen Morris's suggestion above attaches a specific version to the tag (possibly in a non-standard fashion). I think a pending flags is just fine, but it needs to be attached to a version number somehow. Otherwise it is inevitable that a report with the pending tag will remain "pending" at the time of the next release, with no one possibly realizing that it was meant for that release, and not the one succeeding. -- Michael Welsh Duggan (md5i@md5i.com) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 07 16:38:12 2011 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jul 2011 20:38:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevKu-0000uU-Hi for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:38:12 -0400 Received: from pruche.dit.umontreal.ca ([132.204.246.22]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QevKs-0000ts-8p for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:38:10 -0400 Received: from faina.iro.umontreal.ca (lechon.iro.umontreal.ca [132.204.27.242]) by pruche.dit.umontreal.ca (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id p67Kc3G6020665; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:38:03 -0400 Received: by faina.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5C8DFB4177; Thu, 7 Jul 2011 16:38:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier To: Michael Welsh Duggan Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading Message-ID: References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> <8nmxgt37c2.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <44y60cdsyy.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87sjqjf8nv.fsf@maru.md5i.com> Date: Thu, 07 Jul 2011 16:38:03 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87sjqjf8nv.fsf@maru.md5i.com> (Michael Welsh Duggan's message of "Wed, 06 Jul 2011 16:36:52 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 5 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 1 Rules triggered RV3911=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.2.0.9286 : core <3911> : streams <658561> : uri <909070> X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , emacs-devel@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) >> The suggestion is to add the flag "pending" for stuff that should be >> done (and we know how to do; like with a patch or the like), but that >> has to wait until after Emacs is opened up for new features the next >> cycle. Sounds good, tho IIUC debbugs already has a notion of "pending" as a bug state, so maybe we should use another word, such as "postpone". > Glen Morris's suggestion above attaches a specific version to the tag > (possibly in a non-standard fashion). I think a pending flags is just > fine, but it needs to be attached to a version number somehow. > Otherwise it is inevitable that a report with the pending tag will > remain "pending" at the time of the next release, with no one possibly > realizing that it was meant for that release, and not the one > succeeding. That's a risk, indeed. We could use a script to un-postpone all bugs whenever the new branch is opened. OTOH, we've used a different approach in the past: create a new branch `pending' and install patches there. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jul 14 19:53:45 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jul 2011 23:53:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhViy-0005Qy-QN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:53:45 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1QhViw-0005Qm-WE for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 14 Jul 2011 19:53:43 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1QhVil-0003Di-L9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:53:31 +0200 Date: Fri, 15 Jul 2011 01:53:31 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6174 X-MailScanner-ID: 1QhVil-0003Di-L9 X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311292411.73669@Livri9Z5gUmmpvF0iqxTjQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) tags 6174 pending From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 22:32:48 2012 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 02:32:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47670 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQsx-0004My-Vm for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:32:48 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57737) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQsw-0004Mr-2c for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:32:46 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQrs-0002kS-MW; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:31:40 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Monnier Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> X-Now-Playing: Marc and the Mambas's _"Untitled"_: "Twilights + Lowlifes" Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:31:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun, 03 Jul 2011 21:32:30 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.130004 (Ma Gnus v0.4) Emacs/24.1.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1SHQrs-0002kS-MW X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1334629900.98198@T1MDfbJmvGxuITjU0HrctA X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Drew Adams X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) Stefan Monnier writes: >> Perhaps mouse-sel-mode should be marked as deprecated? > > Probably. Let's do that for Emacs-24.2. I've now marked it as obsolete. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 09 22:32:51 2012 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Apr 2012 02:32:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47673 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQt1-0004NC-5J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:32:51 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:57742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQsy-0004N4-Vr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 09 Apr 2012 22:32:49 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHQrv-0002kZ-Vs for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:31:44 +0200 Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:31:43 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6174 X-MailScanner-ID: 1SHQrv-0002kZ-Vs X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1334629904.77854@9/Fcee03T8YRdWuh2/MvKQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) tags 6174 fixed close 6174 24.2 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Apr 11 03:08:36 2012 Received: (at 6174) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Apr 2012 07:08:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHrfQ-0003va-4h for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:08:36 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([208.118.235.10]:55373) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1SHrfK-0003vP-RN for 6174@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:08:34 -0400 Received: from [155.69.16.95] (port=49424 helo=ulysses) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SHreF-000832-0v; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 03:07:23 -0400 From: Chong Yidong To: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6174: 23.2; mouse-sel-mode doc is misleading References: <96744EC264DC4E52A46A6834E8BDAD05@us.oracle.com> Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:07:16 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 10 Apr 2012 04:31:40 +0200") Message-ID: <87hawqoifv.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.95 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6174 Cc: 6174@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.9 (------) Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Monnier writes: > >>> Perhaps mouse-sel-mode should be marked as deprecated? >> >> Probably. Let's do that for Emacs-24.2. > > I've now marked it as obsolete. Thanks. In the future, please remember to add a note to NEWS when you make packages obsolete (done in trunk). From unknown Sun Jun 22 15:24:02 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 09 May 2012 11:24:05 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator