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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The (RHEL 7) man page for GNU 'chown' has (only) this for the '--reference'= flag: use RFILE's owner and group rather than specifying OWNER:GROUP values which omits the crucial second sentence, included in the info tree: Change the user and group of each FILE to be the same as those of REF_FILE. If REF_FILE is a symbolic link, do not use the user and group of the symbolic link, but rather those of the file it refers to. (Note that '--no-deference' doesn't affect this behavior.) I can't be sure, but I think the GNU build itself is generating this man pa= ge, as opposed to it having been created by RHEL. I understand that the man pages are secondary and brief, but they shouldn't= be actively misleading, IMO. Thanks, Mike Michael Coleman Computational Scientist Research Advanced Computing Services (HPC) University of Oregon --_000_MWHPR1001MB21743F07D2D239811D4A0CDF9AAA9MWHPR1001MB2174_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hi,

=  

= The (RHEL 7) man page for GNU 'chown' has (only) this for the '--reference'= flag:

=  

=     use RFILE's owner and group rather than specifying OWNER= :GROUP values

=  

= which omits the crucial second sentence, included in the info tree:

=  

=      Change the user and group of each FILE to be the s= ame as those of

=      REF_FILE.  If REF_FILE is a symbolic link, do= not use the user and

=      group of the symbolic link, but rather those of th= e file it refers

=      to.

=  

= (Note that '--no-deference' doesn't affect this behavior.)

=  

= I can't be sure, but I think the GNU build itself is generating this man pa= ge, as opposed to it having been created by RHEL.

=  

= I understand that the man pages are secondary and brief, but they shouldn't= be actively misleading, IMO.

=  

= Thanks,

= Mike

=  

=  

= Michael Coleman

= Computational Scientist

= Research Advanced Computing Services (HPC)

= University of Oregon

 

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[95.44.90.175]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id e7-20020adffc47000000b002c70f5627d5sm2632184wrs.63.2023.02.23.07.28.19 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 23 Feb 2023 07:28:19 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------caw9Uu3RZhzq0uVmzAOuzXrw" Message-ID: <9da5c543-b184-7006-e677-b2c674041b37@draigBrady.com> Date: Thu, 23 Feb 2023 15:28:18 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:109.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/109.0 Subject: Re: bug#61720: BUG: omission of crucial detail in 'chown --reference' man page (vs info) Content-Language: en-US To: Michael Coleman , 61720-done@debbugs.gnu.org References: From: =?UTF-8?Q?P=C3=A1draig_Brady?= In-Reply-To: X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61720-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.9 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------caw9Uu3RZhzq0uVmzAOuzXrw Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On 22/02/2023 22:07, Michael Coleman wrote: > Hi, > > The (RHEL 7) man page for GNU 'chown' has (only) this for the '--reference' flag: > > use RFILE's owner and group rather than specifying OWNER:GROUP values > > which omits the crucial second sentence, included in the info tree: > > Change the user and group of each FILE to be the same as those of > REF_FILE. If REF_FILE is a symbolic link, do not use the user and > group of the symbolic link, but rather those of the file it refers > to. > > (Note that '--no-deference' doesn't affect this behavior.) > > I can't be sure, but I think the GNU build itself is generating this man page, as opposed to it having been created by RHEL. > > I understand that the man pages are secondary and brief, but they shouldn't be actively misleading, IMO. It is worth stating that in the man page, especially since one might think --no-dereference might change behavior. Fixing this with the attached. 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Wed, 22 Feb 2023 22:07:27 +0000 From: Michael Coleman To: "bug-coreutils@gnu.org" Subject: BUG: omission of crucial detail in 'chown --reference' man page (vs info) Thread-Topic: BUG: omission of crucial detail in 'chown --reference' man page (vs info) Thread-Index: AdlHCQrM2Gy26H4FSyiAuR4RN6w/eQ== Date: Wed, 22 Feb 2023 22:07:27 +0000 Message-ID: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: authentication-results: dkim=none (message not signed) header.d=none;dmarc=none action=none header.from=uoregon.edu; x-ms-publictraffictype: Email x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: MWHPR1001MB2174:EE_|CH3PR10MB7281:EE_ x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 6084c431-d52a-418c-b830-08db15212f72 x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1 x-ms-exchange-antispam-relay: 0 x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0; x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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 x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The (RHEL 7) man page for GNU 'chown' has (only) this for the '--reference'= flag: use RFILE's owner and group rather than specifying OWNER:GROUP values which omits the crucial second sentence, included in the info tree: Change the user and group of each FILE to be the same as those of REF_FILE. If REF_FILE is a symbolic link, do not use the user and group of the symbolic link, but rather those of the file it refers to. (Note that '--no-deference' doesn't affect this behavior.) I can't be sure, but I think the GNU build itself is generating this man pa= ge, as opposed to it having been created by RHEL. I understand that the man pages are secondary and brief, but they shouldn't= be actively misleading, IMO. Thanks, Mike Michael Coleman Computational Scientist Research Advanced Computing Services (HPC) University of Oregon --_000_MWHPR1001MB21743F07D2D239811D4A0CDF9AAA9MWHPR1001MB2174_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hi,

=  

= The (RHEL 7) man page for GNU 'chown' has (only) this for the '--reference'= flag:

=  

=     use RFILE's owner and group rather than specifying OWNER= :GROUP values

=  

= which omits the crucial second sentence, included in the info tree:

=  

=      Change the user and group of each FILE to be the s= ame as those of

=      REF_FILE.  If REF_FILE is a symbolic link, do= not use the user and

=      group of the symbolic link, but rather those of th= e file it refers

=      to.

=  

= (Note that '--no-deference' doesn't affect this behavior.)

=  

= I can't be sure, but I think the GNU build itself is generating this man pa= ge, as opposed to it having been created by RHEL.

=  

= I understand that the man pages are secondary and brief, but they shouldn't= be actively misleading, IMO.

=  

= Thanks,

= Mike

=  

=  

= Michael Coleman

= Computational Scientist

= Research Advanced Computing Services (HPC)

= University of Oregon

 

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