From unknown Sat Sep 06 17:46:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6161: 24.0.50; report-emacs-bug semantically-void text too high tech Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 19:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6161 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6161@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: rfrancoise@debian.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.12735204067078 (code B ref -1); Mon, 10 May 2010 19:41:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2010 19:40:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBYph-0001q7-Hd for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:40:05 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBYpg-0001pM-Ct for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:40:04 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:44240) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OBYpb-0001k8-VR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:40:00 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=46586 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OBYpa-0000kx-La for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:39:59 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_NJABL_PROXY autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBYpZ-0003AC-9J for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:39:58 -0400 Received: from caiajhbdcahe.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.74]:51817 helo=homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBYpZ-00039s-3Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 15:39:57 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-82.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a1.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51A3A119DEA; Mon, 10 May 2010 12:39:45 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 03:24:10 +0800 Message-ID: <87iq6v8srp.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.5 (----) In report-emacs-bug, you may think that doing this makes things easier on somebody, ;; Put these properties on semantically-void text. ;; report-emacs-bug-hook deletes these regions before sending. (prompt-properties '(field emacsbug-prompt intangible but-helpful rear-nonsticky t)) But it is definitely not the user, who is confused by the weird paragraphs that the cursor jumps over etc. In http://www.useit.com/alertbox/ we often learn to stick to familiarity. I.e., just please go back to saying "delete everything before this line before sending", else there is too much magic going on and the user doubts the whole form. Perhaps just employ experts variables like reportbug... (as this seems like a Debian extension... as we see later in the file, (compose-mail report-emacs-bug-address topic '(("Cc" . "rfrancoise@debian.org"))) ) From unknown Sat Sep 06 17:46:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6161: 24.0.50; report-emacs-bug semantically-void text too high tech Resent-From: Romain Francoise Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6161 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: jidanni@jidanni.org Cc: 6161@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6161-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6161.12735234928603 (code B ref 6161); Mon, 10 May 2010 20:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 6161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2010 20:31:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBZdU-0002Eg-D2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:31:32 -0400 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr ([212.27.42.6]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBZdS-0002EZ-23 for 6161@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:31:31 -0400 Received: from smtp6-g21.free.fr (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FE7E08165; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:31:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from elegiac.orebokech.com (home.orebokech.com [82.67.41.165]) by smtp6-g21.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:31:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: by elegiac.orebokech.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 907B7610B1; Mon, 10 May 2010 22:31:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Romain Francoise Organization: orebokech dot com References: X-Face: }9mYu,e_@+e!`Z-P5kVXa3\_b:hdJ"B)ww[&=b<2=awG:GOIM (jidanni@jidanni.org's message of "Tue, 11 May 2010 03:24:10 +0800") Message-ID: <87wrvb1otj.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) jidanni@jidanni.org writes: > Perhaps just employ experts variables like reportbug... (as this > seems like a Debian extension... as we see later in the file, > (compose-mail report-emacs-bug-address topic > '(("Cc" . "rfrancoise@debian.org"))) No, the only Debian change is to add the Cc. From unknown Sat Sep 06 17:46:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6161: 24.0.50; report-emacs-bug semantically-void text too high tech In-Reply-To: <87iq6v8srp.fsf@jidanni.org> Resent-From: jidanni@jidanni.org Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 20:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6161 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: romain@orebokech.com Cc: 6161@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6161-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6161.12735239978872 (code B ref 6161); Mon, 10 May 2010 20:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 6161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2010 20:39:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBZld-0002J2-01 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:39:57 -0400 Received: from mailbigip.dreamhost.com ([208.97.132.5] helo=homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBZlb-0002Ix-A5 for 6161@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 16:39:55 -0400 Received: from jidanni.org (218-163-0-82.dynamic.hinet.net [218.163.0.82]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by homiemail-a4.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16B2441ACD; Mon, 10 May 2010 13:39:49 -0700 (PDT) From: jidanni@jidanni.org References: <87wrvb1otj.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 04:39:46 +0800 Message-ID: <878w7r8p9p.fsf@jidanni.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) >>>>> "RF" == Romain Francoise writes: RF> No, the only Debian change is to add the Cc. (Hmmm, idea: perhaps add comments ;;Debian modification begin/end so it is clearer to the user what parts are Debianized...) From unknown Sat Sep 06 17:46:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6161: 24.0.50; report-emacs-bug semantically-void text too high tech Resent-From: Glenn Morris Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 10 May 2010 21:24:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6161 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Romain Francoise Cc: 6161@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6161-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6161.12735266229956 (code B ref 6161); Mon, 10 May 2010 21:24:01 +0000 Received: (at 6161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 May 2010 21:23:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBaRy-0002aX-4Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:23:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBaRv-0002aS-Ti for 6161@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:23:40 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OBaRr-0001W7-62; Mon, 10 May 2010 17:23:35 -0400 References: <87wrvb1otj.fsf@elegiac.orebokech.com> From: Glenn Morris X-Spook: weapons of mass destruction munitions Ft. Meade INS SDI X-Ran: i!e0MS==p-{Rdsg&Ujc (Romain Francoise's message of "Mon\, 10 May 2010 22\:31\:20 +0200") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Romain Francoise wrote: >> (compose-mail report-emacs-bug-address topic >> '(("Cc" . "rfrancoise@debian.org"))) > > No, the only Debian change is to add the Cc. Please could you change it to X-Debbugs-Cc? 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