From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:56:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.167622811520126 (code B ref -1); Sun, 12 Feb 2023 18:56:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2023 18:55:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46745 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHVL-0005EX-7r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:55:15 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:54094) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHVJ-0005EO-Rz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:55:14 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHVJ-00055F-HN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:55:13 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHVH-0007Ef-Iy for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 13:55:13 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.61] ([89.247.171.243]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue010 [212.227.15.167]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Md6hP-1osUmd3OgF-00aGkA for ; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:55:08 +0100 Message-ID: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:55:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 Content-Language: en-US From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jBzUgj8gMZigUSsxDxT2pdjqdmxE+Biv9e/RSMp3CJHrY3NR28u D0AOKe/gD2fZi/6btsyaz6Y3RUXPmORcoh8GIia/bXE14qYK29JTKUPfvSHvQGweIkf24sV LhtGu/vbGqkPVcKX4SDrrcnEidMdH+vmfADn9P4DzgVGVOWDnDz5jv7vDB+J8gNDbRdxeQZ bBBRB5CQLb3IRB5nQDmbQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:clyamdLi0Zk=;aQ4piIyoI9RhVqasdF4n8cDokQE 1iS3IGz6dtqB8mzJj2cxGbZpqprarRaDO2jyfk9QhrRmz+6KqoYnsgF0xKAr7U9LJ+zs1MdRX m+IIEQoo7JQHGhU1a/IQUiDad/qou0vfEP1zJ8fvi/vXWDva2fLa+sRjgJH5+GhYg70fopVVC euaSDySXfdrqCle4oRifH82z/AFTHmj5VCLk+uxIz1KEg4Tmmfmoiy3yrpZpaCGsX1lDV4uKv gjETwk55sDXo0eSTNQtTTOYeH48/XYSJY0JIKY4au7gm39wpvGG0i9e2hGsxSI/YwuYQG2vwz MAU5DkENfzFIbBrKH3FS9tRXrUydpfP8F5Ukwnn4USIlJB5afVkdsmRrBG8FIINXGGnzkftE2 BnD83akHQW6afvpdZxjc+vlmLvVrqpRbq0UgT4kOQVGnrUuGqrbIPtUl35Or92+X7qmcePcCM GzMtdN0vcE9Au8Z9Qxl9PfMWiOPDsv1VnE7lEiwxgk3YPMDQ7AwwrVZE8LKS3FXBQll+ZCUL7 ddvqsH/Bph97aI530SVCxyWkjttvE+6HbXYI/Qr20Htju1BCNOnOFrg4mOuJjN6aSt9kuQLmj 0DkFOthpd82uH4wQ2opXyccyjorhDHoBRw8HOYo/MVWenVQeipmbx9Qps9jtG7YzJg3Oj4TGJ 4Owes0iZNV+3TDS/6bdZAnLkgd+MeP7jcCqjqbXZRg== Received-SPF: none client-ip=212.227.126.187; envelope-from=andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de; helo=mout.kundenserver.de X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, when running ‘M-x byte-compile-file RET’ with the following form in it, --- (describe-char-display (point) (char-after)) --- compiler complains: --- In end of data: foo.el:6831:17: Warning: the function ‘describe-char-display’ is not known     to be defined. --- Whereas ‘M-x describe-function RET’ tells correctly: --- describe-char-display is a byte-compiled Lisp function in ‘descr-text.el’. (describe-char-display POS CHAR) --- In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version  3.24.33, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2023-02-01 Repository revision: 0214e9021b4dbbda1b6040e3b692f29d77a3b8cc Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101003 System Description: Ubuntu 22.04.1 LTS Configured using:  'configure --with-tree-sitter --with-modules' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS TREE_SITTER X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings:   value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8   value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus   locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: elisp-compile Minor modes in effect:   tooltip-mode: t   global-eldoc-mode: t   show-paren-mode: t   electric-indent-mode: t   mouse-wheel-mode: t   tool-bar-mode: t   menu-bar-mode: t   file-name-shadow-mode: t   global-font-lock-mode: t   font-lock-mode: t   blink-cursor-mode: t   buffer-read-only: t   line-number-mode: t   indent-tabs-mode: t   transient-mark-mode: t   auto-composition-mode: t   auto-encryption-mode: t   auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167622970131906 (code B ref 61457); Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2023 19:21:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46785 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHuv-0008IX-Bk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:21:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54348) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHut-0008IJ-D6 for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:21:39 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRHun-0003bV-SA; 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:55:08 +0100 > From: Andreas Röhler > > when running ‘M-x byte-compile-file RET’ with the following form in it, > > --- > (describe-char-display (point) (char-after)) > --- > > compiler complains: > > --- > In end of data: > foo.el:6831:17: Warning: the function ‘describe-char-display’ is not known >     to be defined. Which is correct: you need to (require 'descr-text). > Whereas ‘M-x describe-function RET’ tells correctly: > > --- > describe-char-display is a byte-compiled Lisp function in > ‘descr-text.el’. > > (describe-char-display POS CHAR) Which is also correct. So what is it that you are complaining about here? From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:52:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167627831631905 (code B ref 61457); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:52:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 08:51:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47602 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRUZ2-0008IX-0W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:51:56 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.74]:38593) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRUZ0-0008IJ-KO for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:51:55 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.61] ([89.247.171.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue106 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MZSym-1p71d61IPe-00WXEx; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:51:46 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:51:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 Content-Language: en-US References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= In-Reply-To: <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:G9ocjIKDOYqPRyn0llECtAOjrMbOcTOIpq6OdPjlPFg38U/qPzM h/4I55mNuzIcWJizdu5D6weL/FTAcw9YIrkFEr8mMQD6WEAyZR9VLZgeS7Oh68LLF06ROh0 0P5N2/gUhrjFpHATWxPR6H02w7H+cF3ESSbqOXhiwIUt4F0VcHapApdLxurPAWumzXc1dZ0 /jXjHCPDy+52cPgujkOhQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:P8yz+HZnyNY=;OZjlldGBHS0Xk2aA0BlYYNE7ZXf f5/14KS+9CmvCCI0BpisJomdARpYJhylqni/A5Y+nqtlcsDt3O9v8igOLTNl2q8FZWqM2VdeH RJzNVDdvmFNWPBTLzBFLOI2w8Lpc6l15gBYq19Ti8p3/7YsBvnNdlycg5SbWk9cScDNVCcuRW 7x2ptfbcWMKxIBJ/m5XHLXb5UGWXprXTP8CJhEK1smeQ2sHe2zr0c9gBjG/X/SuG06l7ywu2G mpS/ldu8K9kIZcuCuK02jsKhlDyWNy6GlJ4IG5ZObVNXjq6mRJ3GQBahWuph+onav37r+TqaJ NR8YBKFbuhkVSZZSgnRvgXhqfXiNR8IP8kkdMSVG1TZEx87VwckG66HBlpm/MaBQJvOlAK/Sn POvFLTyCywaQmU03U943gndZccDILZNEZaFX5XzunxVtcjXm1rlxPtXxZ9mgene0Nsl2Jyn6u AZAdmZZ6xgWo7H1WhRSJhrvN+ubEkwJhI/IfZmJwsYUWFu2PnW48I5drF4norTrGUp5aAvMlR RMBSB3KvwQZeNUY12yHb0vpjMyuA66z7m/kqI4EHhFwB902+tEvhBxmYybxOnan237fprcXqD 3o3lKN9NjFnbw9r6Or55CD7EAhft9ApNs0qAQWKYG7+4VN4K37gtF7eZVGQgdeEx98ias3+NN 2aKv0AfLdABjm7kGGpGLf/qcBIe6wVLKv1fCjZ+V4g== X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' knows about it, but compiler and REPL not. Am 12.02.23 um 20:21 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:55:08 +0100 >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> when running ‘M-x byte-compile-file RET’ with the following form in it, >> >> --- >> (describe-char-display (point) (char-after)) >> --- >> >> compiler complains: >> >> --- >> In end of data: >> foo.el:6831:17: Warning: the function ‘describe-char-display’ is not known >>     to be defined. > Which is correct: you need to (require 'descr-text). > >> Whereas ‘M-x describe-function RET’ tells correctly: >> >> --- >> describe-char-display is a byte-compiled Lisp function in >> ‘descr-text.el’. >> >> (describe-char-display POS CHAR) > Which is also correct. > > So what is it that you are complaining about here? From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:00:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= , Stefan Monnier Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.16762967898768 (code B ref 61457); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:00:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 13:59:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48018 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRZMz-0002HL-1F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:59:49 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRZMx-0002H6-IL for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:59:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRZMq-0005Qj-J1; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:59:41 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=whbpdLFTCAnsoI6t4Glp9OJxkhvif4n1bqwU+7bv/68=; b=RmQq69a/Dp8gIPiGe4Sw brU2/pDhfBABUyqSHdrUiBabANjODcmarMM02DQDUeZLzVEsJSL6y+a3eiFzTT73bOHIpJqidnE3z cO4SuJ+mJWBlS3gwG6H7ahMFkqNnv0KthPP4PvEoeJ3Fdlw6vqE7wld0gfxy5bxL0dj2zssy7d6c2 wZekxH6BWNvmfhgr2jBuE8bRfxJZA0oKNSzYtZrGCcI59OVcgMWgkKQexlBnnLo6ch7jQwuy7a6WY 7R5XLN9LR8gkeJVZnsSFVrCmxKlOS2EEwXDXI1D87JLgKNihCFKOouI7do99M3kK7Pzf8dUeNWRFa EHIqOh6w4A91fg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRZMp-0005Wj-Bu; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 08:59:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:59:15 +0200 Message-Id: <838rh1fyz0.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:51:45 +0100) References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:51:45 +0100 > Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Andreas Röhler > > Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' > knows about it, but compiler and REPL not. The Help command only knows about its signature and doc string. Stefan, any comments? From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:11:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167631543917118 (code B ref 61457); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 19:11:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 19:10:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51660 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pReDn-0004S2-Ai for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:39 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:14495) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pReDm-0004Ri-Cw for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:38 -0500 Received: from pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id B97AD44223E; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:32 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg3.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 5DD58442238; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1676315431; bh=n/jymwiExhX69CWkLBEMP7BH4JGvMT7lSKto5IV7XAU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Ofvvlxu5I2NUFRVEjoP750w7rFHs3jIWUYpuGMpsRkDvBCinHW0iB9wksV2yLtAFC ynC/wkgZaJHg4vWDc4hXWvX2wtlQRe3NEwUmM+ha0sPaWKxYmMVxnpn2VpV2YEPBHA c8GykQTtStxnpGIO7cha0MbzWHSvFNLwBZZ5XL4WENobomV7VbgWRRk/gfu4xlxawG FYSiW1BUl+YwKtUgqrTbfaHrP4ZS4xzvq7RDk+EveRgm1J/hpaLoiWCwhcfKGmZPrA GaGTZMO0RfWq3/jp419m5QGcuQ6rlb/PZPApnY+4IuksptgOdl04UVfJ5Vo/jC5wkk n2eC0alVqA5SA== Received: from pastel (104-222-119-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.119.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3A8D9120DFE; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:31 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: ("Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?="'s message of "Mon, 13 Feb 2023 09:51:45 +0100") Message-ID: References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:29 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' kn= ows > about it, but compiler and REPL not. I believe you're confused: ELISP> (symbol-function 'describe-char-display) nil ELISP> (help-fns--analyze-function 'describe-char-display) *** Eval error *** Symbol=E2=80=99s function definition is void: descr= ibe-char-display ELISP>=20 My crystal ball suggests you have tested these in an Emacs where `descr-text` happened to be loaded already. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:50:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167632139028395 (code B ref 61457); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 20:50:01 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 20:49:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51782 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRflm-0007Nt-3t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:49:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRflj-0007Nd-GG for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:49:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRfle-0005gz-1O; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:49:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=2xlxlN0Dzyk6SIiGPbYKNXBlp0p0hGLog9CnwN0r/bo=; b=MekMhsbE0Yxq92Fx6q/e v8Kob/WgEjJ3YJbLLHQmzFn10VYWRRNc29r3ozVKfC6ZQBv4gSYhWjb02cyS3E5UszQdJuG7sSZof uPlnyFeo+gSpY6buOyAnxm3NZqgvieM6+u4p1/1aWr2Fctw9X5ucH4WZtwvxw/lPjk0nwFMc3Gh18 pTj772rp/P1HbVnj7O5eiNtF0dODL1+6V9OmzdNs/mydocm0+PufKDN6PuKoBhsm5YWVF4bBCaZmP 5gGBLM83Q9rAzP3C1Qty2d/tvsVGT9QB6JoWdCz0N1GZW9lobWM3cjf0yO0mw3a641bhfR8SuWLjG xaMX//0KdsehVA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRfld-00013b-FW; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 15:49:41 -0500 Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:49:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:29 -0500) References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 61457@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 14:10:29 -0500 > > > Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' knows > > about it, but compiler and REPL not. > > I believe you're confused: > > ELISP> (symbol-function 'describe-char-display) > nil > ELISP> (help-fns--analyze-function 'describe-char-display) > *** Eval error *** Symbol’s function definition is void: describe-char-display > ELISP> > > My crystal ball suggests you have tested these in an Emacs where > `descr-text` happened to be loaded already. No, "C-h f describe-char-display RET" loads descr-text. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167632208029779 (code B ref 61457); Mon, 13 Feb 2023 21:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 21:01:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51803 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRfwu-0007kE-GK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:20 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:51015) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRfws-0007jt-SM for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:19 -0500 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 36E0D1000DD; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 8763610002A; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:11 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1676322071; bh=tT++dsyPFsYSqyz7MbvNNGEZJxXIuXz/SQjgOnSbryo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=eHAVjuNa877UtoJZQ7lM1VNLgolUZpFESYqgoN15fuu8H7TzdjDgtXfgzoUpmW0VB hDpXDkkAA/96bPeN7L742qV80lIfQ/FTabDwH+BTDnZMqdKAH4MRYpi6ccpDJzqIrR fL6R+07OCoaevjHytBrwDiU4zLCzBflHB+6R0NAjP9wiJ2sQvisYCco6jgmtBOSEdm YXVRnpiwjv6udsE+qsBNERTB4Q4zrv35ozM1sQt7M5Jnz4ioeg1HK8ZR9hxGyU4efL QkUoWcWKNJzHvfLVLgfbm724/4utyI/HC7G3Bw71ckF5QIx/or71Y23w2rgFOnyal+ 9kQKT49rj6U4g== Received: from pastel (104-222-119-84.cpe.teksavvy.com [104.222.119.84]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4E6BF1231AE; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:11 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:49:19 +0200") Message-ID: References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:10 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.075 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> > Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function'= knows >> > about it, but compiler and REPL not. >>=20 >> I believe you're confused: >>=20 >> ELISP> (symbol-function 'describe-char-display) >> nil >> ELISP> (help-fns--analyze-function 'describe-char-display) >> *** Eval error *** Symbol=E2=80=99s function definition is void: de= scribe-char-display >> ELISP>=20 >>=20 >> My crystal ball suggests you have tested these in an Emacs where >> `descr-text` happened to be loaded already. > > No, "C-h f describe-char-display RET" loads descr-text. `C-h f` is not the same as `symbol-function` or `help-fns--analyze-function`. You're just seeing `help-enable-auto-load` in action. Stefan From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:34:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.16763456176761 (code B ref 61457); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:34:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2023 03:33:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52186 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRm4W-0001kx-Va for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:33:37 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58700) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRm4V-0001kh-4K for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:33:35 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRm4P-0000mZ-8n; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:33:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=3IzjxsOSOQZfPM5o2OC14QTM2Rsc8xZj8GSP3ulbKqo=; b=nLVFzTk5PGbu6bDncG3L l4FLMyEK+o+Rno/4Wq/CyOV7iPeM9fxw5UaTn3sv+VvDhtcJ1ks3pnfZcFUrDNXd9CfvYqT3tGw76 DCEYdsfNsGt79X/WJJbDRi1QP/8Wekm5V2WCMABSM74AWv/rx7uV3hlItNyw7XafAhebNiz2eI15D HDObxoIwzVD9k0Rh3eAbUzeIMTFzV+Ce9+YkU1g4HNzOk7eeaa/f/rnGUS2IkAhM+Vv8YbCPq/U2u FWPl8PXoUzxG3xteuVZRILK7SIJyVmu4dNvrXkiCmdX+WiPSiA+f3/ePxRC7heVz+LtE90W4tIXec UtjcIYWJx9xNcg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRm4O-0004O9-Jh; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 22:33:28 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 05:33:07 +0200 Message-Id: <83ilg4exak.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:10 -0500) References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:10 -0500 > > >> > Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' knows > >> > about it, but compiler and REPL not. > >> > >> I believe you're confused: > >> > >> ELISP> (symbol-function 'describe-char-display) > >> nil > >> ELISP> (help-fns--analyze-function 'describe-char-display) > >> *** Eval error *** Symbol’s function definition is void: describe-char-display > >> ELISP> > >> > >> My crystal ball suggests you have tested these in an Emacs where > >> `descr-text` happened to be loaded already. > > > > No, "C-h f describe-char-display RET" loads descr-text. > > `C-h f` is not the same as `symbol-function` or > `help-fns--analyze-function`. You're just seeing > `help-enable-auto-load` in action. If you read the OP, it was "C-h f" that Andreas used, AFAIU. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167636289924549 (code B ref 61457); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2023 08:21:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRqZG-0006Ns-KU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:21:38 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([217.72.192.75]:41109) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRqZE-0006Ne-Nv for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 03:21:37 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.61] ([89.247.171.235]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MiakT-1oxTgY2oel-00ffYg; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:21:17 +0100 Message-ID: <8672d96c-6a8c-2397-658b-cb06222bcb8f@easy-emacs.de> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:21:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilg4exak.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= In-Reply-To: <83ilg4exak.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8nxhUVJStpfillEooN3AYGTu38yTc/hbqKtJpzqPOSW5/zx1rZx v+NucDsBbNs2XrYOxdE15t/dbGfr2+7W/DHnduZhw1tLIQOctt/5wAbvS09fSxwbUz8jMT3 TwLpdForZCwqqUGjDFv3T477/yTEyIX3NJM8Z7qnfa5Ocv8Puwrcb5rL34w5wF7ovJVkxl2 FoXvvQ5u3BY/IAc/wEmOA== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:AQBJGd2JIb0=;aoqc3mijTqmIUlv0dF2XJP8CB5q a223uZnPkLxw59R6XmeCPqYf1sXrykZXChzycVDwfB5do6zDLxtDr5BEzzFw+3lxl4NPWf4yq IjTVic9CQEX8jfjWgrvxJs1tuF0iiKW6oR8wnZS0POnDecNHot4zq03Cy1hpsvLDBeH0zZYys fH5yD9f/uM27HTSFzE0bPXDVIcqK/AN6TGtg7X/ECwFS3juwD8myoUuwF+K5qvXC2tgw4lsfL 4QBhin0eoA4yVVLWr3HmWAVFI9nbJILEQ8Hhl1jVJ69Y9JClFVcTY+CGLqRLlwmEQpVtAElRN n7NZS7vBCqOauLgUuhq+DnAZZQMDoFO+caJNbv3OKpliCEZgSwjJ0lrdnOXX6nk9GbEEghOkw pS3s9E6CkhW1rFdkaeJe7FbbyICI32wcF/yqbSuVbzNOMNc3oNlN7WaQjdY817gBGA3tRnTw+ zoBVAcmLMvNGET9k+5QIcH7jEqgcaGHCd585ehJFwQmPi+GFIHEhk0Sia9klBvatXbQbpMY44 ZP9czy/aSRBAR6P4av3kQo566uRU+eV9K2QY1kPqNeLTwF3BOqETYtoJ7G1OmVfOI4YhDRhP2 6TPid4x0x1kDEe8yxZMf6+4YrH36zideFD/Fr0cIfcLkE5LRDaDZA2DVpvLdQO5JWzaCmmW1a heLfQdm/t9nTC1hVHhkoLEAAuepfN5qwgUDkJadP+Q== X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Am 14.02.23 um 04:33 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> From: Stefan Monnier >> Cc: andreas.roehler@easy-emacs.de, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 16:01:10 -0500 >> >>>>> Don't understand why `symbol-function' of `help-fns--analyze-function' knows >>>>> about it, but compiler and REPL not. >>>> I believe you're confused: >>>> >>>> ELISP> (symbol-function 'describe-char-display) >>>> nil >>>> ELISP> (help-fns--analyze-function 'describe-char-display) >>>> *** Eval error *** Symbol’s function definition is void: describe-char-display >>>> ELISP> >>>> >>>> My crystal ball suggests you have tested these in an Emacs where >>>> `descr-text` happened to be loaded already. >>> No, "C-h f describe-char-display RET" loads descr-text. >> `C-h f` is not the same as `symbol-function` or >> `help-fns--analyze-function`. You're just seeing >> `help-enable-auto-load` in action. > If you read the OP, it was "C-h f" that Andreas used, AFAIU. Correct. BTW have to yank `describe-char-display' at the prompt after "Describe function". When calling C-h f a second time, it's filled in: (default describe-char-display): From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:28:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.16763812592612 (code B ref 61457); Tue, 14 Feb 2023 13:28:02 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Feb 2023 13:27:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52890 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRvLP-0000g4-7y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:27:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRvLN-0000fp-Mx for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:27:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRvLH-0000Dd-ID; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:27:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=fzlfcN7SOI1cWbVzZgFDWYF3lzXqKivmWHWCe04hVhI=; b=p/wCFbTx7ghkccoolpdH YSoBMkPfso+Ii0wQtZHwd3dsBrxAkGosW+BAuc90Ccu1UZ+eFeUhoh9VPszaLtMVQvOLti2Wx+EWE U6HwvJaza96ggS+YlICdDJcPZdUawZA+mBWBUnnVSaaxPxdDGO+YpYZDVKg/iqLA1Ekwl7UC3wP5L ysz8yjVuoCWu6/KfgBU7qvv7Czgxy/TbuNCH1yCM4bMdYVtGeEbFRCZnRBC3beC8FMPmfZHQ0P6P2 mEXBhm7UxCS/v1sFClcJqiNu3/azJQfWHWjXZ5tUCZaKWdrEVn6NCilsmo1Zsbb3lsseOkDZv3R4z mHOnU2X+RUTt+Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pRvLF-0005Gl-RS; Tue, 14 Feb 2023 08:27:31 -0500 Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 15:27:09 +0200 Message-Id: <834jroe5si.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <8672d96c-6a8c-2397-658b-cb06222bcb8f@easy-emacs.de> (message from Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= on Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:21:16 +0100) References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilg4exak.fsf@gnu.org> <8672d96c-6a8c-2397-658b-cb06222bcb8f@easy-emacs.de> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:21:16 +0100 > Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Andreas Röhler > > BTW have to yank `describe-char-display' at the prompt after > "Describe function". > > When calling C-h f a second time, it's filled in: (default > describe-char-display): That's a feature: it guesses by looking at the "thing at point". From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:58:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#61457: 30.0.50; compiler falsely complains missing =?UTF-8?Q?=E2=80=98describe-char-display=E2=80=99?= Resent-From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 61457 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, 61457@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 61457-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B61457.167645511824342 (code B ref 61457); Wed, 15 Feb 2023 09:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 61457) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Feb 2023 09:58:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57838 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pSEYg-0006KW-HC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 04:58:38 -0500 Received: from mout.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.10]:56951) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pSEYf-0006KJ-HG for 61457@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 04:58:38 -0500 Received: from [192.168.178.61] ([89.247.171.240]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (mreue108 [212.227.15.183]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mysa4-1ogKwA0jXW-00vxvo; Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:58:28 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 15 Feb 2023 10:58:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.7.1 References: <5cf61ba2-a91b-45f9-97d9-de86ded3a487@easy-emacs.de> <83zg9ig064.fsf@gnu.org> <83r0ute1f4.fsf@gnu.org> <83ilg4exak.fsf@gnu.org> <8672d96c-6a8c-2397-658b-cb06222bcb8f@easy-emacs.de> <834jroe5si.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Language: en-US From: Andreas =?UTF-8?Q?R=C3=B6hler?= In-Reply-To: <834jroe5si.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:y+r5ruJ3ONon0ZgeqJfB9RlamDjFP1NhLaQtGpR0I8o23No2sNW AwsVjsFv26iIZ02q8II5w+9XCdnbkd5c0Nz1MmcoiYJR0q1ze3h/e79OxJAO48XLlBpA2rd yAN5XYuiq5p10OCHhm6F8a4v9FWrC81vHpjo93Xfuk+prgVUBkzIDXxbwsoIMoqGOmMb0Is NsszBXHMhvQmZeL0NAwow== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:0de/S6bEZp0=;1ybIFpgCxJKBVAa2I6Z9JX7mpPu EWCmwyAAgt2r/aanLo67481pnIt9i9HQN4xQLveadEC09Ocn5WoiM5CVg8ZmecnOUxweBC+b6 KL1aCJA1qdesWEGr+usdSMolYHjUUKCntt0h7gCMdWRa54YsIWlCKlPQJyG90QEftlbi3Lvh+ IDmdRx1NYhJMKgb1F3acw2Vk3iwvesuucSvjPAyaNEIEhc9cG3kf8TZdQNQxyxj6UP+2mvPJn u3alqcWlq0hUUrwjp3zt4ZWq61Dyj9z2bvYR74j8zp3coIzrHEo7wz535VBgavx0uU+uLztmT 8wRpRtGJSwnCCH9By0NhUdRrMXMmYRWhGE3e2XAfBSsUHEbJoic/JLxfddkM2g53muDdk7siM 4EV26GJLH22C/SpRsx7hV7K5K7UcVZj4FjFEdIMbT3/htd75tv7TsCzRua+BycTWcgd1xN6PB +KY1UMELbW6NOzuyXzuJdLS3G7cTialDpAa2/KT9CLC+7Y3SreJE9X0vQ8OVgs+JUewqxlFOB p26qPd0M6NnnulStY0EVyeilmXYbUpIWBVLkGwDl+iT9iqo9IC9tu2t2uFCmtTV7bfICn4RJe eXAkujw1E6YBNDvQMNUbU/6HYcfsCeRVavG69HeZllSOo/r8AUrVeA7dLGeTdv441BmT55lOY tdpxOzEksoUMMQTkVpojlDY2DVajf/1lb1NgMsnRbg== X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) Am 14.02.23 um 14:27 schrieb Eli Zaretskii: >> Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2023 09:21:16 +0100 >> Cc: 61457@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: Andreas Röhler >> >> BTW have to yank `describe-char-display' at the prompt after >> "Describe function". >> >> When calling C-h f a second time, it's filled in: (default >> describe-char-display): > That's a feature: it guesses by looking at the "thing at point". A similar bug happens with another utility of mine, editing stuff in a dired-buffer. Below an example-version: --- (defun foo ()   (interactive "*")     (wdired-change-to-wdired-mode)     ;; Do some edits     (wdired-finish-edit)) --- M-x byte-compile-file RET complains --- In end of data: eil.el:5:6: Warning: the function ‘wdired-finish-edit’ is not known to be     defined. --- Which isn't useful, as (wdired-change-to-wdired-mode) already loaded wdired.