From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 05 07:00:53 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2023 12:00:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44223 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdhV-0006xY-8g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:00:53 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38296) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdhQ-0006xN-5Y for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:00:51 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdhO-0004c9-1A for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:00:47 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdhK-0002hJ-KH for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:00:45 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id E0AA82400AD for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:00:39 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675598439; bh=0F/220w3X0q2OAqvq3e1b0zBC8V/4g4wk4Hs7fiSOuM=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=PNUYeM1w1JCAQ4nD628munpIaclBWrrK3sSj2wBFac9hxloIvS5WUwx8PGMGv+oim LLDPlx5PwxTtY8/kyFvAMQt6hRtIFpFLIj7ayQPfxgpllPKVSOSC6Vizv3cAmwNh0j AP4vZZRGyb3FsP2p5ARhYX5anebDneN1uT5ZSlytScuFswnzPt80l0rAsK0Z//xcw5 /TR4+CiCW8VEC6acSBKG4e3XQc6YlJDZdIVr5YugotDiExxYarWTusyc0JREcpgLdz bgtjcWRMg31CWwAhtoejoGWCi8qYusKEBG+njr00K75642FZbAv+yyVsUJcjaNjvGR JKX2fXp4Py7bw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P8nyv1RXlz9rxN for ; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:00:38 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:01:17 +0000 Message-ID: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.65; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout01.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi, would it make sense to mention `proper-list-p' and `plistp' in the Elisp manual? I got to know about these function by accident and `proper-list-p' in particular is extremely useful in some situations. Also, what about `alistp'? Would it make sense to add such function? In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2023-02-03 built on localhost Repository revision: ac7ec87a7a0db887e4ae7fe9005aea517958b778 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006 System Description: Gentoo Linux -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 05 07:11:11 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2023 12:11:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44252 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdrS-0007G2-QP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:11:11 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38818) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdrR-0007Ec-3H for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:11:09 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdrK-0006CQ-PX; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:11:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=ZhJzXQ6Usn/HlaO8ZjRMOCrJu+VaVVTe1LpvdAk+mOo=; b=T6g2Sl71ZfLF rzreT1YJeXtmg4tyLcjjWWDIU/FC4sM+3i8JjCUV88qK0KL6rHWMskcXwBuX3wsmJ6ihKpgb40/n2 QScW0G+mL2mrVEgyUnZvGol5AH/ekHigDyjglA9XMClVXrwsSaF97lxZBtXoRRUrocIS+tVSk2qGR k87OSdseUeVwgeyfA6yalMh6+QPqHMenvXgEGEV1t+/s1tNOQpScmhW03FSbonKK4aMtwLoXp2o5x ga6eXmJfIhJi5OpalqiEGyUK4KGzdgFjYZUYQK5njjqYj7o+Ep7E1+Owf5BZxae+kufBzCz3lpUYs z3iMa5k2/sMg/54q3riQhA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOdrK-0002nJ-89; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:11:02 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 14:11:12 +0200 Message-Id: <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:01:17 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:01:17 +0000 > > would it make sense to mention `proper-list-p' and `plistp' in the Elisp > manual? I got to know about these function by accident and > `proper-list-p' in particular is extremely useful in some situations. proper-list-p was already documented. I added plistp. > Also, what about `alistp'? Would it make sense to add such function? I don't know. When would it be useful? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 05 07:33:36 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2023 12:33:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeD9-0004A1-VS for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:33:36 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:45915) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeD7-00049l-C0 for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 07:33:33 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 73294240184 for <61293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:33:27 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675600407; bh=zBOP3PBWDGxNnW4cIUS1VkFlT9ykbP9hzlMzzKOodRU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=i7GCLk3c3iLLnHY6lOzPMdJn64ni7wDIfMfEJ9sT6ZhZF9V0v9kKooSBj74P2Fel+ ef1lI/sgy67U2xVfAH/+ZEEDrL25ipo9vytKJ6lnOPMPkNQKei/KF9T9sfn4j63ypR UIp7TDjbMBDbfm7U7jK0YdwF3JFC03il6Ybjk1BzZUSxj7cF1yvAcLRDAkjSqdDAju bJm4C3625MKkUPocThDGE1+0wpLbtxmF1ypTgVokLVXTTt8FsRutZHb7rTr7JU5+UT QO9zrdJ3jOTbDl03aC2cbpas9Ldm8qunm2YF0z3BjpfRBHuuW8M7VqYbe0x8JgWSSS B3/ZScxloUaRQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P8phk56MWz9rxH; Sun, 5 Feb 2023 13:33:25 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual In-Reply-To: <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:34:00 +0000 Message-ID: <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > proper-list-p was already documented. I added plistp. Thanks! Note that `proper-list-p' is not listed in section 2.7. >> Also, what about `alistp'? Would it make sense to add such function? > > I don't know. When would it be useful? I mostly expected it is exist, but it does not. Also, there is `nested-alist-p'. So, not having `alistp' feels awkward. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 05 08:02:05 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Feb 2023 13:02:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeej-0004w5-HA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 08:02:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49816) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeeg-0004va-Nq for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 08:02:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeea-0002ek-NW; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 08:01:56 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HMDK1Mf3OjU6Pf/KH6JNdgGZtVXOkBVgELyNCW1JMSs=; b=bvwKNzJi55I2 LcfKYloNbTsFPyHL/8rp/9CFX8OH0p0R/XW7+Rl7DW695/HQncYxK7kh5LYEofkkVFUscZlGlwXL0 zvFQZQU5NtedRNegQqqg/VmW93OhrZmPzRLgLY6AqS0uF5wFgLpJP55xgsVmWGHtHjB00aKjsNtPJ VSM83TPsPsukj+gBlfF0Xzx2854jhjq9n6polsV7EcjngTpz2u5/eBmxolLIQpXLFipqZX8GEwJLY zM9FwY7MdbGUQ3iDOgha4zwJI/hgJ49DFDkQ9qFPwSsiImAR8DsGL83iKODyv8hSseOBUIZ+o/5Cs DQjXXM9RWk/2w4MV3uwfJw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pOeeZ-0006sa-Qs; Sun, 05 Feb 2023 08:01:56 -0500 Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:02:05 +0200 Message-Id: <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:34:00 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 61293@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 05 Feb 2023 12:34:00 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > proper-list-p was already documented. I added plistp. > > Thanks! Note that `proper-list-p' is not listed in section 2.7. I don't think this should bother us. If you type "i proper list RET", you will land in the node which describes that term; the very next section documents proper-list-p. So I think everything here is fine. > >> Also, what about `alistp'? Would it make sense to add such function? > > > > I don't know. When would it be useful? > > I mostly expected it is exist, but it does not. > Also, there is `nested-alist-p'. So, not having `alistp' feels awkward. Most probably because no one needed it, at least not too frequently. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 04:20:46 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 09:20:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47388 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOxg5-00068Z-Ru for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 04:20:46 -0500 Received: from mail-wr1-f47.google.com ([209.85.221.47]:38858) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOxg4-00068F-Nc for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 04:20:45 -0500 Received: by mail-wr1-f47.google.com with SMTP id ba1so5633733wrb.5 for <61293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 01:20:44 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=fbmq29i2AmUtxcWfOSmE0FvOkCTX7y7ICuaawro1O2g=; b=g0td6SQpKGEOFSzDtWJJDN9CG8nd3xjve/jEa/Mlg52lmVKyXmDO4hV2tuqT8vpQC8 KVIS3aM91AIbcTlNcV+4kgE9crsM5O+NLToMhOAGTBpPyuyuCf3lm/qLhmBurjObi6TX xb2/Z89VXim/u5/+ZpGyciRYB+pCybt9SXjb+pxTd3Vu/Kkids962F5S5F4iW54nblTg AHlOsynzCDr9s5e+n4YfIflwcCNQSi/kEmLppr0vUYjEiBos4iHKLYPkDb8sOxYuBm9z tO9QPpptSR/d4Av3siD+9gvlLG65RAexVK9bCF/4UM5k8PDc3T8EELc8DrRBgHUiMhzG IRgA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:message-id:date:references :in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=fbmq29i2AmUtxcWfOSmE0FvOkCTX7y7ICuaawro1O2g=; b=DSa/nk7OSkAswxElqLMefJI1T971bbuxmZ0LiDHx+YHb1H8nJUB3BSkDWiWpUwcUZL 85VArfOs8mirRy225ZsKct6zHAYs+8M2OmeyCKaQcqw85BYuta3LC6YcC8UOMv/m/gxr D17brcuF1cUDc/EvE6w8XiINjgxAH6Zr02K9yhlYzuCtLyeCbmhkjXsvRdr0w4cFOu2O W64vpOIaCczwZqDhNSyoSSrfaRcYINPltQN65YvOvJamVpCFH2O52l47JqwKnGhbbDJr xVugOYiBCUdR0hweWzM4G9UzLTi4F+bjjuyXRtsg/k4OATxhSQz7YlkVsEBrn4FD131B kmYw== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKUwQwARqMBTLHsIjlf8UycopJRGFPy135jdGsM63bF9iwAjkcti ySuEdbQVgACHaDLJi9vTRcTiMmup5uA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set9/8yf0rYEou8cDqm7dNolaVNGqadoYAGqnZqS99CdZsR1Ul6a+s0XdKWvYbWulcUy0KbR1mw== X-Received: by 2002:a5d:660f:0:b0:2bf:95cc:744c with SMTP id n15-20020a5d660f000000b002bf95cc744cmr17883530wru.0.1675675238188; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 01:20:38 -0800 (PST) Received: from rltb ([82.66.8.55]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z12-20020a5d4c8c000000b002bfc2d0eff0sm8422573wrs.47.2023.02.06.01.20.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 01:20:37 -0800 (PST) From: Robert Pluim To: Ihor Radchenko Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual In-Reply-To: <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:02:05 +0200") References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:20:36 +0100 Message-ID: <87lelbm9p7.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> On Sun, 05 Feb 2023 15:02:05 +0200, Eli Zaretskii said: >> I mostly expected it is exist, but it does not. >> Also, there is `nested-alist-p'. So, not having `alistp' feels awkwa= rd. Eli> Most probably because no one needed it, at least not too frequentl= y. One point here: Emacs allows 'improper' alists without complaining: (alist-get 1 '((2 . 4) 5 (3 . 1) (1 . 7))) =3D> 7 so we=CA=BCd have to be careful about how we defined `alistp' Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 05:18:45 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 10:18:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47433 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOyaD-0007ug-6W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 05:18:45 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:57245) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOyaB-0007uR-L9 for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 05:18:44 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 2446B240136 for <61293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 11:18:37 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675678718; bh=P1IIzbwP0AaqnEDwbcsLtfXwHadyONaWhFDNxjUERFg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=VcvgYJ05eHNAEhI59nye3+PR8fOS/6//fcGulprgPoxYEZclh3UJQl8alcObr++m9 JIYFDky/b0OfVYBFN44fh2zeOOLamZqMvvS7rHZ7ULHQBxCvmq+1HW099BuRk7kP68 J9p8pN+hwxlDPy+A5gn4g9w5qmV+x9+qjIo2B54FCMbKbPpQ9g8tD1bsdbpgRFg5xJ uOo9NjteQs5Us/f4cDepyXjDJGDJzQs+hczh4yT1K2SD8/qEjw4jEibd+Jm6tuMeBk FTG1ZtylhBKYu7Rkqw4dmjBu5AbVMbp+QFrw9ffmFJq3UJjqhWekOf256MDCXLyyro hveJxEYIfHJZw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P9Mfg5LyTz9rxF; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 11:18:35 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual In-Reply-To: <87lelbm9p7.fsf@gmail.com> References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> <87lelbm9p7.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:19:14 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkm7cd0d.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Robert Pluim writes: > One point here: Emacs allows 'improper' alists without complaining: > > (alist-get 1 '((2 . 4) > 5 > (3 . 1) > (1 . 7))) > > =3D> 7 > > so we=CA=BCd have to be careful about how we defined `alistp' This is no different from plists: (plistp '(1 2 3)) ; =3D> nil (plist-get '(1 2 3) 1) ; =3D> 2 --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 05:43:33 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 10:43:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47454 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOyyC-0000AQ-OX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 05:43:33 -0500 Received: from mail-ej1-f50.google.com ([209.85.218.50]:43865) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pOyyA-0000A8-Q6 for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 05:43:31 -0500 Received: by mail-ej1-f50.google.com with SMTP id mc11so32845429ejb.10 for <61293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:43:30 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tcd.ie; s=google21; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date :message-id:reply-to; bh=vHUi4VIiBmGo8HW+NSYcwPkEVvrKDv7HjSkd5eunEMY=; b=TzorZeSuD9PKGBh8NzRQLr6h3uRy4q5vC0u6IUy+E/6Vr0Kq40+Zg3RWN7qNafSn/u xD46YSVIUA7v6ojRxUqLyB7J+0yWBuolv3rO1Fhb+lx2IWJhsQd3ZVabXGMgE7sN5pVE ZOrlvjB1GgyW3VbnOkxujLbhNVULxYuiDQlAO6QyR4i4cEsYutckiFfjac0H7xMGK+c1 y71ZjGFgVBuQ+/QANcFdrF38tRzIN+TWKvE5VSU162whfYmWqc0MJdmuClbiSl823vLv D+zDl0B+2KiRYHeW5TWRlRvKCm2LB8ZqxEhcAYxTgW6uIgPq3TXtHi5Iav3Tf0TdKdw7 KQeQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vHUi4VIiBmGo8HW+NSYcwPkEVvrKDv7HjSkd5eunEMY=; b=xANDGFPhtmHsougeOI1GGbQjGB6WkYRgzv7BDWa8js+hOx3DSCfejJ+WsoZ/nDAg50 uBdELxUkroCiLR8/Nh8YDwTHAPuMvy0/LyhY+XPFlgqyOY/0q2xGUNpoQk7JjRqIvpd7 272raK/gg7AzFrFAZmuctKOXoqjvD3Fi8HPFYGzWJhJE5JAhxPzDB+lm7eh7fGxqyUoY gcNDlvbxkqfDKU6KHeH4cHqxoHjw+yPTXDpnw/6faYHtVAMCUsWgWeBmW6ysgPLtr1Gt baXv5+r1OZwdvu+6CwKP8b+RUktW5uPkD7OB7rATLtwv+l4x1fpWQ6lYejYDjDkdVOap DlfQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AO0yUKXe3UoKru+PjIX+e4wwtTpQx10i7N4ft/gvukwa6nqgrPfLABdj q7JzS/5AX69Pjkg5dYBFzcx27Q== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AK7set+FwQPDDJa5QQnsFgS+UBsKd8q0d6SRkkmq5s9Zy47jni76wuYQtPP/52jLXrO99CmVsEgV1A== X-Received: by 2002:a17:906:12cc:b0:887:66bc:97 with SMTP id l12-20020a17090612cc00b0088766bc0097mr18971097ejb.49.1675680204951; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) Received: from localhost ([64.43.50.180]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m9-20020a170906580900b00877ec3b9b8bsm5278053ejq.153.2023.02.06.02.43.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 06 Feb 2023 02:43:24 -0800 (PST) From: Basil Contovounesios To: Ihor Radchenko Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual In-Reply-To: <87bkm7cd0d.fsf@localhost> (Ihor Radchenko's message of "Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:19:14 +0000") References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> <87lelbm9p7.fsf@gmail.com> <87bkm7cd0d.fsf@localhost> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 10:43:22 +0000 Message-ID: <87bkm7axbp.fsf@tcd.ie> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: Robert Pluim , 61293@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ihor Radchenko [2023-02-06 10:19 +0000] wrote: > Robert Pluim writes: > >> One point here: Emacs allows 'improper' alists without complaining: >> >> (alist-get 1 '((2 . 4) >> 5 >> (3 . 1) >> (1 . 7))) >> >> =3D> 7 >> >> so we=CA=BCd have to be careful about how we defined `alistp' > > This is no different from plists: > > (plistp '(1 2 3)) ; =3D> nil > (plist-get '(1 2 3) 1) ; =3D> 2 Exactly, hence why there is no 'standard' alistp, or why there was no plistp for a very long time: every application has a different notion of / heuristic for what is permissible as an alist or plist. It is impossible to cover them all, and usually quite easy to write an application-specific predicate (not that I object to adding alistp). --=20 Basil From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 06 09:21:19 2023 Received: (at 61293) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Feb 2023 14:21:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47794 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP2Mw-0000yE-UI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 09:21:19 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:37359) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pP2Mv-0000xu-1h for 61293@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 06 Feb 2023 09:21:17 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C43F824032E for <61293@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:21:10 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1675693270; bh=4rDq2pKUG3B9Z89wMH/3zh/zJHdQztjLeiXkhu+oMfU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=DgKO0c8rQhnuegDDTMWsKJePVzz7P4s/hKxFW7k18UvE6mIESY32Swe1hvM5gGoZC RYmBpkCfmIs0+zCWP0+FpzmEb5WpEBgAls6z6voDdsgnG7zVcESCauCidgpPNUaQfS cYROGzUNV86cO3g3G0GUBwcnTphOiKANfNQQ2pNjf69pAUUSRazt/eG7lXaRUAKEVJ nDYq53OpscdfvZSUXfeLTC2bSRCg7ZdjK2dqoXHZyD62JUBWvLIbJCir7c5H+HHfAw d4mFPtkUi2EOdlu8tWNG2p8d19JTgYtogNYVS7a7hhZO4vO51VDcDCiLbqI5f5wxxJ /46ZvyecbXhfw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4P9T2Y5NKVz9rxP; Mon, 6 Feb 2023 15:21:08 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#61293: 30.0.50; [FR] Add `proper-list-p' and `plistp' to 2.7 Type Predicates section of the manual In-Reply-To: <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> References: <877cwwe2ya.fsf@localhost> <834js0s467.fsf@gnu.org> <871qn4e1fr.fsf@localhost> <83357ks1te.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2023 14:21:47 +0000 Message-ID: <87wn4u7u2s.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 61293 Cc: 61293@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Thanks! Note that `proper-list-p' is not listed in section 2.7. > > I don't think this should bother us. If you type "i proper list RET", > you will land in the node which describes that term; the very next > section documents proper-list-p. So I think everything here is fine. I actually had difficulties because I did not recall if it should be "proper" or "true" or maybe "real". But "i list predicate" also works, so I also do not see anything wrong. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at