From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6128: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface" Resent-From: Reuben Thomas Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 21:44:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6128 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6128@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-emacs Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.127318219528569 (code B ref -1); Thu, 06 May 2010 21:44:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2010 21:43:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qg-0007Qk-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:15 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qe-0007Qe-Am for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:13 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:33949) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qY-0001BJ-RC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1OA8qY-00015l-2O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43513 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA8qX-00014l-M4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qV-0001As-Ty for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56637) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qV-0001Ad-HC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:03 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:60692 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qU-0001vn-W9 for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52778) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j5-00010g-Mc for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j2-0005sS-Q1 for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:22 -0400 Received: from exprod7og102.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.157]:56958) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j2-0005s6-FG for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:20 -0400 Received: from source ([74.125.83.41]) by exprod7ob102.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKS+M2FTkfdARBnnxFOKSOrAdKNY5NFlZ7@postini.com; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:20 PDT Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18so402292gwj.0 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.75.8 with SMTP id x8mr2705813yba.121.1273181716192; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.107.6 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: From: Reuben Thomas Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) "In effect, this makes Emacs into an IDE (interactive development environment)." I suggest this sentence be removed. There are two problems: first, "IDE" stands for "Integrated Development Environment", not "Interactive Development Environment". Secondly, the GDB Graphical Interface does not make Emacs either of those things: it is both already integrated (in this case, for debugging, with the existing gud-* modes) and interactive (fundamentally). Perhaps the intention of this sentence is to advertise that this mode can make Emacs more like a more typical GUI-based IDE, but that dubious both as a statement and as a wish. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:31 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6128: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface" Resent-From: Stephen Berman Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 07:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6128 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Reuben Thomas Cc: 6128@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6128-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6128.127321800713915 (code B ref 6128); Fri, 07 May 2010 07:41:01 +0000 Received: (at 6128) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2010 07:40:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OAIAI-0003cO-KH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 03:40:06 -0400 Received: from mail.gmx.net ([213.165.64.20]) by debbugs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OAIAG-0003bz-3r for 6128@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 03:40:05 -0400 Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 07 May 2010 07:39:59 -0000 Received: from i59F571D2.versanet.de (EHLO escher.home) [89.245.113.210] by mail.gmx.net (mp014) with SMTP; 07 May 2010 09:39:59 +0200 X-Authenticated: #20778731 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/sPtxrOp3srn7e2fsuUKhUcgfm4iLMmuhdVXVVJF iZaxUkt0VPR+oh Received: by escher.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E578102BA; Fri, 7 May 2010 09:39:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Stephen Berman References: Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 09:39:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Reuben Thomas's message of "Thu, 6 May 2010 22:35:15 +0100") Message-ID: <87pr18i2i9.fsf@escher.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) On Thu, 6 May 2010 22:35:15 +0100 Reuben Thomas wrote: > "In effect, this makes Emacs into an IDE (interactive development environment)." > > I suggest this sentence be removed. There are two problems: first, > "IDE" stands for "Integrated Development Environment", not > "Interactive Development Environment". Secondly, the GDB Graphical > Interface does not make Emacs either of those things: it is both > already integrated (in this case, for debugging, with the existing > gud-* modes) and interactive (fundamentally). Perhaps the intention of > this sentence is to advertise that this mode can make Emacs more like > a more typical GUI-based IDE, but that dubious both as a statement and > as a wish. I agree the sentence should be removed, which would obviate needing to correct its grammar (to either "makes Emacs an IDE" or "turns Emacs into an IDE"). Steve Berman From unknown Tue Jun 24 05:12:31 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.427 (Entity 5.427) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Reuben Thomas Subject: bug#6128: closed (Re: bug#6128: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface") Message-ID: References: <87632zzrws.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 6128 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 6128@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 14:52:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1273243922-28838-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1273243922-28838-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #6128: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface" which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 6128@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 6128: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D6128 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1273243922-28838-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 6128-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 May 2010 14:51:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OAOts-0007Uu-55 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:51:36 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po30.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.4]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OAOtq-0007Up-KS for 6128-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 May 2010 10:51:35 -0400 Received: from furry (dhcp128036014104.central.yale.edu [128.36.14.104]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po30.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o47EpWsd031708 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Fri, 7 May 2010 10:51:32 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 63666C055; Fri, 7 May 2010 10:51:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: Stephen Berman Subject: Re: bug#6128: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface" References: <87pr18i2i9.fsf@escher.home> Date: Fri, 07 May 2010 10:51:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: <87pr18i2i9.fsf@escher.home> (Stephen Berman's message of "Fri, 07 May 2010 09:39:58 +0200") Message-ID: <87632zzrws.fsf@stupidchicken.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/23.1.97 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6128-done Cc: 6128-done@debbugs.gnu.org, Reuben Thomas X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) Stephen Berman writes: > On Thu, 6 May 2010 22:35:15 +0100 Reuben Thomas wrote: > >> "In effect, this makes Emacs into an IDE (interactive development environment)." >> >> I suggest this sentence be removed. There are two problems: first, >> "IDE" stands for "Integrated Development Environment", not >> "Interactive Development Environment". Secondly, the GDB Graphical >> Interface does not make Emacs either of those things: it is both >> already integrated (in this case, for debugging, with the existing >> gud-* modes) and interactive (fundamentally). Perhaps the intention of >> this sentence is to advertise that this mode can make Emacs more like >> a more typical GUI-based IDE, but that dubious both as a statement and >> as a wish. > > I agree the sentence should be removed, which would obviate needing to > correct its grammar (to either "makes Emacs an IDE" or "turns Emacs into > an IDE"). I agree. Committed to the repository. ------------=_1273243922-28838-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 May 2010 21:43:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qg-0007Qk-VF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:15 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166] helo=mx10.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qe-0007Qe-Am for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:13 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:33949) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qY-0001BJ-RC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:06 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1OA8qY-00015l-2O for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:06 -0400 Received: from [199.232.76.173] (port=43513 helo=monty-python.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1OA8qX-00014l-M4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:05 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qV-0001As-Ty for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:05 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.1.0 (2005-09-13) on monty-python X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.1.0 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:56637) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qV-0001Ad-HC for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:03 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:60692 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8qU-0001vn-W9 for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:43:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:52778) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j5-00010g-Mc for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:23 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j2-0005sS-Q1 for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:22 -0400 Received: from exprod7og102.obsmtp.com ([64.18.2.157]:56958) by eggs.gnu.org with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OA8j2-0005s6-FG for bug-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:35:20 -0400 Received: from source ([74.125.83.41]) by exprod7ob102.postini.com ([64.18.6.12]) with SMTP ID DSNKS+M2FTkfdARBnnxFOKSOrAdKNY5NFlZ7@postini.com; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:20 PDT Received: by gwj18 with SMTP id 18so402292gwj.0 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.150.75.8 with SMTP id x8mr2705813yba.121.1273181716192; Thu, 06 May 2010 14:35:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.107.6 with HTTP; Thu, 6 May 2010 14:35:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 22:35:15 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Suggestion for improving info node "GDB Graphical Interface" From: Reuben Thomas To: bug-emacs Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -3.4 (---) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.7 (----) "In effect, this makes Emacs into an IDE (interactive development environment)." I suggest this sentence be removed. There are two problems: first, "IDE" stands for "Integrated Development Environment", not "Interactive Development Environment". Secondly, the GDB Graphical Interface does not make Emacs either of those things: it is both already integrated (in this case, for debugging, with the existing gud-* modes) and interactive (fundamentally). Perhaps the intention of this sentence is to advertise that this mode can make Emacs more like a more typical GUI-based IDE, but that dubious both as a statement and as a wish. -- http://rrt.sc3d.org ------------=_1273243922-28838-1--