From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Vegard =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=98ye?= Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 05 May 2010 20:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.127309113330892 (code B ref -1); Wed, 05 May 2010 20:26:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2010 20:25:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l9w-00082D-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:25:33 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6R-00080F-IF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:42191) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6N-0003Cf-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O9l6M-0001CG-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56406 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9l6I-00019T-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6F-0006UO-SW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:46 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.30]:17896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6E-0006T8-Ql for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:42 -0400 Received: from BAY118-W44 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 May 2010 13:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.212.188.110] From: Vegard =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=98ye?= Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 20:21:41 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2010 20:21:41.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[92CA07C0:01CAEC90] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:25:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) I use 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on Windows XP. My font of choice is Consolas=2C which was originally released with Windows Vista=2C but can be downloaded from the URL below. Since I moved from 22.3 to 23.1=2C Emacs has become noticeably slower=2C particularly when scrolling. The problems vanish when I select any other font than Consolas. WITHOUT CONSOLAS: My .emacs consists of the following two lines. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3B=3B (set-frame-font "Consolas-11") When I start up Emacs=2C the font is Courier New. I open the tutorial with C-h t and hold down C-n until the cursor reaches the bottom of the screen. When it does=2C the text scrolls smoothly. WITH CONSOLAS: I uncomment the second line and start Emacs anew. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (set-frame-font "Consolas-11") Now C-n doesn't scroll at all. Instead=2C the cursor is repeatedly recentered each time it reaches the bottom of the screen. If display-intensive packages like hl-line-mode and show-paren-mode are loaded as well=2C Emacs slows to a crawl. WITH OTHER FONTS: No problems with Lucida Console! =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (set-frame-font "Lucida Console-11") This is just as responsive as the default of Courier New. DOWNLOAD: Consolas is included with Windows Vista and Windows 7. Otherwise=2C an .exe installer is available from the address below. If this is unpractical=2C mail me and we'll figure out something. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3D22e69ae4-7e40-48= 07-8a86-b3d36fab68d3 Vegard =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Du f=E5r hjelp til gj=F8re mer. Utforsk Windows 7. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7= From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font References: In-Reply-To: Resent-From: Christoph Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:32:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: cschol2112@gmail.com Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127933389814771 (code B ref 6116); Sat, 17 Jul 2010 02:32:01 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Jul 2010 02:31:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZxBi-0003qC-BL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:31:38 -0400 Received: from mail-gw0-f44.google.com ([74.125.83.44]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OZxBf-0003q7-WE for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 22:31:36 -0400 Received: by gwj19 with SMTP id 19so1434865gwj.3 for <6116@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:from:to:subject:reply-to:date :message-id:user-agent:mime-version:content-type; bh=VVumYWFWV1Sqky6G0tiZ9R4IV0dw3tNp1BltEJU1lT8=; b=bCcJqPpNK0unXy4SZW1SJZQmydzfqabMtStGtW5dLvcLNb7Rg9qnqc6+cgS0aGQInu 2xPxh05Mp78pPqlL/7Lqf3ESC2H78U30jEJrRFP2TO44p+jxvZtMcxG5kk37QIR5dTWO 5pEzOjLaompKziCi5aD6R/+cPNUeNV0lwWHjs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=from:to:subject:reply-to:date:message-id:user-agent:mime-version :content-type; b=n9TqA5pHoZCZw/5kN7TM8GJrHkRbZUGEe7dAnCg4/9pndV+M5JDcWFbQBfHMS26bjJ tKzyHnmRP1zOzHUtGlyrhZkAsh9Z7wXz9yOT5Dik2fqL9sOgG7JSZ/Dlx8mMXtQxkCuR WW4sBB+uTMqNnKM0GGLJH5v7W/I+CJU/JyC9U= Received: by 10.150.214.12 with SMTP id m12mr2391522ybg.255.1279333910300; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:31:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x3sm1225334ybl.10.2010.07.16.19.31.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:31:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Christoph Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:31:46 -0600 Message-ID: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (windows-nt) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -3.1 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) I followed the recipe above and can confirm the same behavior for Emacs 24.0.50 (r100832) on Windows 7. Maybe the performance difference is due to Consolas being optimized for ClearType, whereas the regular Courier New is not? Christoph From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:23:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.12794161453049 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 01:23:01 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 01:22:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaIaG-0000n8-DI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:22:24 -0400 Received: from impaqm2.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.2]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaIaE-0000n1-40 for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 21:22:23 -0400 Received: from IMPmailhost2.adm.correo ([10.20.102.39]) by IMPaqm2.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id jDNe1e0050r0BT63MDNeW0; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:22:38 +0200 Received: from qcore ([83.42.13.171]) by IMPmailhost2.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id jDNd1e0063hRxRf1iDNdys; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:22:38 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="981711563$telefonica.net" |auth_email="981711563@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:22:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:31:46 -0600") Message-ID: <87y6d960te.fsf@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) I cannot reproduce this bug on Windows 7 with GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt6.1.7600) of 2010-07-03 From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: James Cloos Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:50:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: cschol2112@gmail.com Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127943939912201 (code B ref 6116); 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Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:32:57 +0000 (UTC) From: James Cloos In-Reply-To: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Fri, 16 Jul 2010 20:31:46 -0600") References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAABAAAAAQCAYAAAAf8/9hAAAABHNCSVQICAgIfAhkiAAAAI1J REFUOE+lU9ESgCAIg64P1y+ngUdxhl5H8wFbbM0OmUiEhKkCYaZThXCo6KE5sCbA1DDX3genvO4d eBQgEMaM5qy6uWk4SfBYfdu9jvBN9nSVDOKRtwb+I3epboOsOX5pZbJNsBJFvmQQ05YMfieIBnYX FK2N6dOawd97r/e8RjkTLzmMsiVgrAoEugtviCM3v2WzjgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Copyright: Copyright 2009 James Cloos OpenPGP: ED7DAEA6; url=http://jhcloos.com/public_key/0xED7DAEA6.asc OpenPGP-Fingerprint: E9E9 F828 61A4 6EA9 0F2B 63E7 997A 9F17 ED7D AEA6 Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:32:57 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 26 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) >>>>> "C" =3D=3D Christoph writes: C> I followed the recipe above and can confirm the same behavior for Emac= s C> 24.0.50 (r100832) on Windows 7. C> Maybe the performance difference is due to Consolas being optimized fo= r C> ClearType, whereas the regular Courier New is not? It is more likely to do with each fonts' set of OpenType features. Consolas almost certainly has significantly better OpenType support than the much older versions of Courier New MS ships. Perhaps something involving localized forms? You also may have some system-level feature enabled, perhaps related to locale, i18n or the like which resutls in slower itf processing? (That or something like that might explain why =D3scar was unable to duplicate.= ) I only have thought, no solutions, but I've read numerous complaints elsewhere over the recent years which tracked down to inefficient implementations of OpenType, and that seems to be the most significant difference between Courier New and Consolas. -JimC --=20 James Cloos OpenPGP: 1024D/ED7DAEA6 From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Christoph Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:18:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: James Cloos Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127945902822975 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 13:18:02 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 13:17:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaTjv-0005yW-Ls for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:17:07 -0400 Received: from mail-gx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.161.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaTjt-0005y6-87 for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:17:05 -0400 Received: by gxk1 with SMTP id 1so1596847gxk.3 for <6116@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=UeNuFpdm9fR9Zn8XufLCv7LzKGkPSjRD6hvE//6ZoYU=; b=jjYkM2OcBgZ1GgLJw8pVsX2z6Ik30pMBnVr9LUh5L1gd7ingJUpFNifLJm0Ojqvke5 X/toai+TyzxcQmKFN0RVDP8g6p7HJkiuRUk0k2zdX2BKTGKMwm223f7ylhxlhjVJkjXJ W/BxbhgrSuZ2byiWCR80WGmX5lRTPSVqA75uA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=aRdfZlKmO3H1fLEYz5s/OvZml5gt4S9FSa+qf+8MdW57hO3IvcCzWx9fYEroctODul B72SaXzeG62rpBAkEw7F8HbbY1KKkv1YXrRfQiEdC75qELSzZ7aRM/8GzXMBQec+Ib5H g7pWaqm6KHWpB9N5AXBaoGooCtuubL0eRlGoo= Received: by 10.100.112.10 with SMTP id k10mr3440484anc.39.1279459043403; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 06:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i25sm52667460anh.37.2010.07.18.06.17.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 06:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:17:18 -0600 From: Christoph User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -3.8 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) On 7/18/2010 1:32 AM, James Cloos wrote: > It is more likely to do with each fonts' set of OpenType features. > Consolas almost certainly has significantly better OpenType support > than the much older versions of Courier New MS ships. It is Consolas that is more sluggish, not Courier New. > You also may have some system-level feature enabled, perhaps related to > locale, i18n or the like which resutls in slower itf processing? (That > or something like that might explain why Óscar was unable to duplicate.) As far as I can tell Óscar and I are using the same system (Windows 7). My locale is US. Maybe Óscar can tell us what he is using and whether switching to locale US makes it worse? Christoph From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:38:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Christoph Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946386225709 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:38:02 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 14:37:42 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaUzt-0006gc-BP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:37:41 -0400 Received: from impaqm5.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.5]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaUzq-0006gX-8t for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:37:39 -0400 Received: from IMPmailhost5.adm.correo ([10.20.102.126]) by IMPaqm5.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id jSU11e0032jdgqJ3RSdv1J; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:37:55 +0200 Received: from qcore ([83.42.13.171]) by IMPmailhost5.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id jSdu1e0043hRxRf1lSdvJU; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:37:55 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="981711563$telefonica.net" |auth_email="981711563@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:37:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:17:18 -0600") Message-ID: <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Christoph writes: > On 7/18/2010 1:32 AM, James Cloos wrote: > >> You also may have some system-level feature enabled, perhaps related to >> locale, i18n or the like which resutls in slower itf processing? (That >> or something like that might explain why =C3=93scar was unable to duplic= ate.) > > As far as I can tell =C3=93scar and I are using the same system (Windows > 7). My locale is US. Maybe =C3=93scar can tell us what he is using and > whether switching to locale US makes it worse? I'm using a pristine Windows 7 64bits US install on a virtual machine. Switching to Spanish makes no difference. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Christoph Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:50:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946456025994 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:50:02 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 14:49:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVBA-0006lD-04 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:49:20 -0400 Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVB7-0006l7-UC for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:49:18 -0400 Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so1922229gyh.3 for <6116@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:49:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=nmuLh0tdVfeA3tLNNHd9V79hPTTKoD/6MUo5xdycKFQ=; b=wAY9IgRDzG8S0CkDKKGw0vz0nuwQW//tEmHsexdP3uHNlLMSkFkf8Q8lKBAOIuFx7o yVKoFD8Zi0k9pov2U0b4hTQUervOH9HjwR8lbL53UN9Uo3A3isQxayoNzWIxeXlrbX+O Fu+K0EAFUJHw2gKbzH6F+/DCdXzW0lIBNgQKo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fc5nwcNRB212QdWOKMyQsQAXWaw7jZaxZUkTZ50hCON+NTiGLw5qt0nLqNXsfvW5Kl PAc9A96oeQ2kIyF6ONx84dhime/8hc4f92lIXBb+kOm0zdV3gpTmKz3ISwG7xENuFtg8 BuTy5W0Qi69tIYdMmD/d0nDRUgLeTwaUHg+hs= Received: by 10.101.177.9 with SMTP id e9mr3538153anp.195.1279464575051; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:49:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d1sm53544410anc.39.2010.07.18.07.49.33 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 07:49:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:49:27 -0600 From: Christoph User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> In-Reply-To: <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) On 7/18/2010 8:37 AM, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > I'm using a pristine Windows 7 64bits US install on a virtual > machine. Switching to Spanish makes no difference. Same here, minus the virtual machine. Did you set scroll-step to 1? From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:57:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Christoph Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946499026176 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 14:57:02 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 14:56:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVI5-0006o9-Oc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:56:29 -0400 Received: from impaqm5.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.5]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVI3-0006o2-45 for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:56:28 -0400 Received: from IMPmailhost3.adm.correo ([10.20.102.124]) by IMPaqm5.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id jSFa1e00F2h2L9m3RSwkt6; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:56:44 +0200 Received: from qcore ([83.42.13.171]) by IMPmailhost3.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id jSwj1e0063hRxRf1jSwkh2; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:56:44 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="981711563$telefonica.net" |auth_email="981711563@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:56:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:49:27 -0600") Message-ID: <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Christoph writes: > On 7/18/2010 8:37 AM, =C3=93scar Fuentes wrote: > >> I'm using a pristine Windows 7 64bits US install on a virtual >> machine. Switching to Spanish makes no difference. > > Same here, minus the virtual machine. > > Did you set scroll-step to 1? Yes. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Christoph Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:10:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946579926535 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:10:03 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 15:09:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVV9-0006tw-IO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:09:59 -0400 Received: from mail-gy0-f172.google.com ([209.85.160.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaVV6-0006tq-Ie for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:09:57 -0400 Received: by gyh3 with SMTP id 3so1925915gyh.3 for <6116@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:10:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=+tzQlWWXUnlSXlmhYGa6tcJhHIrAh5yKUB6vE4S6MJE=; b=XZH1RJgyGizpi1+nmgWl2o8XFf/jZSfE8M0UQ8fx6SNB1anOAuCQKBF9kx6dJkplgD +1gd1wwqnouJQ1IEDAbWHz5yQaI9rfW1G1rQFQP+kaITVmBBw0GjU1srJNqGcikuhVLH +QrMWvevdgf62r7/cWxuhoklSsN72iF5l3DXg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f2nUEFCiAHKMH4r+1Rz/bEIpjl4CgaeoSQBjD25fRS/oY9u9JdLFGFBAtpx1nkPvGp vNP/uLW8mNC52RVGSoEKyQcpPsQF2gFcGFh+wUPh2M94pIpQGCAIfXssKkoD1pmWV9F4 AeovhYSh0aDGX8iuxFLy2mQaYM/eQFDz09jTA= Received: by 10.101.68.18 with SMTP id v18mr3661985ank.205.1279465815138; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:10:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q7sm19246802anf.26.2010.07.18.08.10.12 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 08:10:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:10:09 -0600 From: Christoph User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> In-Reply-To: <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -3.6 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On 7/18/2010 8:56 AM, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > Christoph writes: > >> On 7/18/2010 8:37 AM, Óscar Fuentes wrote: >> >>> I'm using a pristine Windows 7 64bits US install on a virtual >>> machine. Switching to Spanish makes no difference. >> >> Same here, minus the virtual machine. >> >> Did you set scroll-step to 1? > > Yes. I tried this again. Setting the font size to 11 and not resizing the window after startup (i.e. 38x80), I don't see it either. If I maximize the screen vertically to 56x80, it does happen. However, turning off Consolas (and switching to Courier New) and maximizing vertically it does happen too, but maybe not as often. It seems to be a general redisplay problem, if the screen area to be redrawn exceeds a certain size. I initially only tested this with my .emacs configuration, but it does the same with `emacs -Q'. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:52:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Christoph Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946828227593 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 15:52:01 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 15:51:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaW9C-0007B0-C2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:51:22 -0400 Received: from impaqm3.telefonica.net ([213.4.138.3]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaW98-0007Av-Nl for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 11:51:19 -0400 Received: from IMPmailhost2.adm.correo ([10.20.102.39]) by IMPaqm3.telefonica.net with bizsmtp id jTkT1e00H0r0BT63PTrcRp; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:51:36 +0200 Received: from qcore ([83.42.13.171]) by IMPmailhost2.adm.correo with BIZ IMP id jTrX1e0063hRxRf1iTrXz9; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:51:32 +0200 X-Brightmail-Tracker: AAAAAA== X-TE-authinfo: authemail="981711563$telefonica.net" |auth_email="981711563@telefonica.net" X-TE-AcuTerraCos: auth_cuTerraCos="cosuitnetc01" From: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 17:51:31 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:10:09 -0600") Message-ID: <871vb06b5o.fsf@telefonica.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Christoph writes: > I tried this again. > > Setting the font size to 11 and not resizing the window after startup > (i.e. 38x80), I don't see it either. > > If I maximize the screen vertically to 56x80, it does happen. > > However, turning off Consolas (and switching to Courier New) and > maximizing vertically it does happen too, but maybe not as often. > > It seems to be a general redisplay problem, if the screen area to be > redrawn exceeds a certain size. > > I initially only tested this with my .emacs configuration, but it does > the same with `emacs -Q'. I just tried this: runemacs -Q M-x eval-expression ENTER (setq scroll-step 1) ENTER C-h t C-n ... it occasionally recenters, but never gets stuck as described on the original report. It doesn't matter if I use Courier New or Consolas. From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Christoph Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes Cc: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.127946898927904 (code B ref 6116); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 16:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jul 2010 16:03:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaWKb-0007G1-51 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:03:09 -0400 Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com ([209.85.213.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1OaWKY-0007Ff-MR for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 12:03:07 -0400 Received: by yxj4 with SMTP id 4so837586yxj.3 for <6116@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=874XENJ8xcqfqWKeWEL3wKIgogoikJC90Lu05X32o9Y=; b=RqEKT6WKtwbuVeKLaHC9izsGtqvnRPXqLHObwpCfsE2ibqcWTAGULmEk7Opf7JiDaO l5wv1G4EUL22X6jpxkV682RF5SECK9UP1Q+u/cSGNO4dggYRwVeFt253lG7GfZj9UvKJ TFNv80carzt5bLXr6Kv15C091QlSAwgNDyOCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=CZ0+hM41DbrbSnUuqPeRqxeXkkx25cCAqMpJ/FejldrbbAwSDJeZo0fbkLiouV0Hq6 /BAJuk9ZKtegtBVi+20qkFubGth1FpgHly2V+AQJPx2Q3K6iAT1McCFDMlRzD2pFMP5T 98/bsr6fY+y3FZ+8HD8PZiz9zhxvh8BXDF/PM= Received: by 10.101.145.24 with SMTP id x24mr3606100ann.37.1279469005274; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:03:25 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.5] (97-122-118-250.hlrn.qwest.net [97.122.118.250]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r7sm54274973anb.15.2010.07.18.09.03.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 18 Jul 2010 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4C4325C6.6040809@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:03:18 -0600 From: Christoph User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.4) Gecko/20100608 Thunderbird/3.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> <871vb06b5o.fsf@telefonica.net> In-Reply-To: <871vb06b5o.fsf@telefonica.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.5 (---) On 7/18/2010 9:51 AM, Óscar Fuentes wrote: > I just tried this: > > runemacs -Q > M-x eval-expression ENTER (setq scroll-step 1) ENTER > > C-h t > C-n ... > > it occasionally recenters, but never gets stuck as described on the > original report. It doesn't matter if I use Courier New or Consolas. I decreased the Consolas font-size to 9 (from 11) and maximized vertically (72x80). Now, I can see it being stuck once in a while. It recovers eventually but there are a couple of seconds where it seems nothing happens. After that it recenters and scrolls on until it happens again. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 21 16:02:17 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2011 20:02:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6Szp-0004LG-AV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:02:17 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1R6Szm-0004L8-UU for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 16:02:15 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=stories.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1R6SzQ-000524-Bf for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2011 22:01:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2011 21:58:25 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6116 X-MailScanner-ID: 1R6SzQ-000524-Bf X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1317240112.45493@Q0GtV+soKVLIiaFxz4wncQ X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) reassign 6116 emacs,w32 From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:14:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6116 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Christoph Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , 6116@debbugs.gnu.org, James Cloos Received: via spool by 6116-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6116.15726247984073 (code B ref 6116); Fri, 01 Nov 2019 16:14:02 +0000 Received: (at 6116) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 16:13:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56905 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZY3-00013T-KF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:13:18 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:38628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZY0-00013F-KK for 6116@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:13:13 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZXw-0007jz-8k; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:13:10 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> <871vb06b5o.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C4325C6.6040809@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:13:07 +0100 In-Reply-To: <4C4325C6.6040809@gmail.com> (Christoph's message of "Sun, 18 Jul 2010 10:03:18 -0600") Message-ID: <87k18jzib0.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Christoph writes: > I decreased the Consolas font-size to 9 (from 11) and maximized > vertically (72x80). Now, I can see it being stuck once in a while. It > recovers eventually but there are a couple of seconds where [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Christoph writes: > I decreased the Consolas font-size to 9 (from 11) and maximized > vertically (72x80). Now, I can see it being stuck once in a while. It > recovers eventually but there are a couple of seconds where it seems > nothing happens. After that it recenters and scrolls on until it > happens again. Are you still seeing these problems in modern versions of Emacs? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 01 12:13:21 2019 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2019 16:13:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56908 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZY8-00013n-Oa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:13:21 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([80.91.231.51]:38656) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZY4-00013U-LD for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 12:13:18 -0400 Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=marnie) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1iQZY1-0007k9-T4 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:13:15 +0100 Date: Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:13:13 +0100 Message-Id: <87imo3ziau.fsf@gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6116 X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: tags 6116 + moreinfo quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 6116 + moreinfo quit From unknown Fri Aug 15 20:26:40 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Vegard =?UTF-8?Q?=C3=98ye?= Subject: bug#6116: closed (Re: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font) Message-ID: References: <87pnbs7fz5.fsf@stefankangas.se> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 6116 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs X-Gnu-PR-Keywords: moreinfo Reply-To: 6116@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:54:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1588024442-15173-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1588024442-15173-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 6116@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 6116: http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D6116 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1588024442-15173-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 6116-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 27 Apr 2020 21:53:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jTBhE-0003wH-82 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:53:48 -0400 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:45112) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1jTBhC-0003w0-9Y for 6116-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:53:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=tLF3ktpwtCMdSCVI1QkQ1aiYBCoJKK7h6h7lliEy4b0=; b=IvQTZOXETv6dSANHCkarTScO8z fjwryCiq+kgJzmi7WQrGRWbQGFchGojajtwANKCGOwVvrijhUGxAW1LOPa3rAovgAEHfcA1gh6C7a ClWbejoCBjUyzVT9XFundQQwc0mnnbng4uB+eimRsuCrzbYNKg9OjxxGooKmEMAZHavVz+Y/w+yPq qRhzRmh5L2s9fOi6Z7hiPY2/emothUGTy/Fa3aQ68deXzY5/ca8hEFAA0q5MY+pS5bTrcdShX7SL+ E3oa+RXeT5eo77kPd+a6EtsidjlhhlXRe4SXVH5Rq0iyoLHg7+RPVZQgy6QYuKTOXuP3Tkl2M5Gjb FJiiFbPA==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:46940 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from ) id 1jTBh3-000HZJ-5u; Mon, 27 Apr 2020 17:53:37 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#6116: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font In-Reply-To: <87k18jzib0.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 01 Nov 2019 17:13:07 +0100") References: <86y6dasust.fsf@gmail.com> <4C42FEDE.1060005@gmail.com> <87hbjw6ekd.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431477.8090705@gmail.com> <878w586dp0.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C431951.6030805@gmail.com> <871vb06b5o.fsf@telefonica.net> <4C4325C6.6040809@gmail.com> <87k18jzib0.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2020 23:53:34 +0200 Message-ID: <87pnbs7fz5.fsf@stefankangas.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@marxist.se X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@marxist.se X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 6116-done Cc: Christoph , =?utf-8?Q?=C3=93scar?= Fuentes , James Cloos , 6116-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Christoph writes: > >> I decreased the Consolas font-size to 9 (from 11) and maximized >> vertically (72x80). Now, I can see it being stuck once in a while. It >> recovers eventually but there are a couple of seconds where it seems >> nothing happens. After that it recenters and scrolls on until it >> happens again. > > Are you still seeing these problems in modern versions of Emacs? More information was requested, but none was given within 25 weeks, so I'm closing this bug. If this is still an issue, please reply to this email (use "Reply to all" in your email client) and we can reopen the bug report. Best regards, Stefan Kangas ------------=_1588024442-15173-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 May 2010 20:25:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l9w-00082D-RT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:25:33 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6R-00080F-IF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:56 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:42191) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6N-0003Cf-49 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:51 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O9l6M-0001CG-2H for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:50 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=56406 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O9l6I-00019T-E7 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:48 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE,RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD autolearn=no version=3.3.1 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6F-0006UO-SW for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:46 -0400 Received: from bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.190.30]:17896) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O9l6E-0006T8-Ql for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 May 2010 16:21:42 -0400 Received: from BAY118-W44 ([65.54.190.61]) by bay0-omc1-s19.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.4675); Wed, 5 May 2010 13:21:41 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [80.212.188.110] From: =?iso-8859-1?B?VmVnYXJkINh5ZQ==?= To: Subject: Emacs 23 is sluggish with Consolas font Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 20:21:41 +0000 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 05 May 2010 20:21:41.0564 (UTC) FILETIME=[92CA07C0:01CAEC90] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+ X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 May 2010 16:25:31 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) I use 23.1.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-07-30 on Windows XP. My font of choice is Consolas=2C which was originally released with Windows Vista=2C but can be downloaded from the URL below. Since I moved from 22.3 to 23.1=2C Emacs has become noticeably slower=2C particularly when scrolling. The problems vanish when I select any other font than Consolas. WITHOUT CONSOLAS: My .emacs consists of the following two lines. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =3B=3B (set-frame-font "Consolas-11") When I start up Emacs=2C the font is Courier New. I open the tutorial with C-h t and hold down C-n until the cursor reaches the bottom of the screen. When it does=2C the text scrolls smoothly. WITH CONSOLAS: I uncomment the second line and start Emacs anew. =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (set-frame-font "Consolas-11") Now C-n doesn't scroll at all. Instead=2C the cursor is repeatedly recentered each time it reaches the bottom of the screen. If display-intensive packages like hl-line-mode and show-paren-mode are loaded as well=2C Emacs slows to a crawl. WITH OTHER FONTS: No problems with Lucida Console! =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (setq scroll-step 1) =A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 (set-frame-font "Lucida Console-11") This is just as responsive as the default of Courier New. DOWNLOAD: Consolas is included with Windows Vista and Windows 7. Otherwise=2C an .exe installer is available from the address below. If this is unpractical=2C mail me and we'll figure out something. http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?familyid=3D22e69ae4-7e40-48= 07-8a86-b3d36fab68d3 Vegard =20 _________________________________________________________________ Windows 7: Du f=E5r hjelp til gj=F8re mer. Utforsk Windows 7. http://windows.microsoft.com/windows-7= ------------=_1588024442-15173-1--