From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 18 05:57:58 2023 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2023 10:57:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39435 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pI68k-0005gG-5w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:57:58 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43852) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pI68i-0005g8-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI68i-0006fq-2Q for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:57:56 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI68f-0004ey-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 05:57:55 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5EFE82404F6 for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 11:57:51 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674039471; bh=e3hMgbXq9Em85KWUHGtEDm7IBQQINsLrYvVKB+iX3rQ=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=KC5noKGj+/H+7UUwVWGFSBDWmwqP3ptSm4JsPmKzzrnOYUJ7w29BDzfUN8setMRk6 2yDe1r7t+ec3qWtPzbCpDuKHhpfbY17g/lw6Va2HAko+7Z0NqfQu23m6I//hCOUYkO npoZpVlDmM1xsVm9RsgAOFM+we8qKpN8sT0ja1g9/nEJ0c5nlwFFhYSRnCrRSZeCZg nvbWyQWfI6fYZ7imBAbgA0yVy0EIcy69QoHW/Zz8iqWNjbjWPoeYCut8sOYUlR0mX/ LrdKry0NV2OLR8ClOscLHcYmWG0l2uGAkHRJ1mW+4HW/cTaFCg3TCJ91+f1UcWJZHR mXN6Ts23vB2Pg== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NxjQk1lthz9rxD for ; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 11:57:48 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:58:20 +0000 Message-ID: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi, The 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual explains how the `auto-mode-alist' works, but fail to address an important point about backup files being open in the major mode used for files with a name stripped from the backup suffix: Fifth=E2=80=94if Emacs still hasn=E2=80=99t found a suitable major m= ode=E2=80=94it looks at the file=E2=80=99s name. The correspondence between file names and maj= or modes is controlled by the variable =E2=80=98auto-mode-alist=E2=80=99. Its v= alue is a list in which each element has this form, I think that it is worth mentioning the backup file handling entry in `auto-mode-alist' in the manual itself: ----------- By default, `auto-mode-alist' contains: ("\\.~?[0-9]+\\.[0-9][-.0-9]*~?\\'" nil t) ("\\.\\(?:orig\\|in\\|[bB][aA][kK]\\)\\'" nil t) meaning that backup files (for example, foo.txt~, foo.txt~12, foo.txt.orig, foo.txt.in, foo.txt.bak) will use major mode as for foo.txt - the file with backup suffix stripped. ----- WDYT? In GNU Emacs 30.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2023-01-16 built on localhost Repository revision: bb679244152dddd9949ca065aa6617457f7a7144 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006 System Description: Gentoo Linux --=20 Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 18 09:06:12 2023 Received: (at 60930-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Jan 2023 14:06:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pI94u-0003oh-4Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:06:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58488) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pI94s-0003oU-80 for 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:06:11 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI94m-0006Uz-U1; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:06:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=/cbuDMJptDBMmcHWfJJP892gxh7yCi+ORx1QO367P1E=; b=aGwsEybJ6+tko3dw9w7l Q5FIl8B9TqFfbIlCFGxX3sy0GPRGEbj/p4EmtFegDAAKIipZhD7d/Z6rBqEjSGrDzr5mByykqGN48 jm5TUqUfpWxuXUVeWLlsuEQpy0EduNdujNxdANyF5/0q0TryXPxZc83yqt00hNCMbPSOMBGS/4aN6 6nSPhXuGpfg/Hk48U6fffBJDENb/v49XUg3qXDrpIohNEkBGkcCcRY2QdLOE6wt66SmkeoPHg5LMp GQFqKD141peZ/SHa1Q/bAv7I0uDb4LDh7Nux8C6U5u95Po9A2Ls/LP3ItTBW8Zrs7oDJL1KKma4yn Da03FVvXusulNw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pI94l-0003I8-Uu; Wed, 18 Jan 2023 09:06:04 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 16:06:17 +0200 Message-Id: <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:58:20 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930-done Cc: 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Date: Wed, 18 Jan 2023 10:58:20 +0000 > > Hi, > > The 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual explains how the > `auto-mode-alist' works, but fail to address an important point about > backup files being open in the major mode used for files with a name > stripped from the backup suffix: > > Fifth—if Emacs still hasn’t found a suitable major mode—it looks at > the file’s name. The correspondence between file names and major modes > is controlled by the variable ‘auto-mode-alist’. Its value is a list in > which each element has this form, > > > > I think that it is worth mentioning the backup file handling entry in > `auto-mode-alist' in the manual itself: > > ----------- > By default, `auto-mode-alist' contains: > > ("\\.~?[0-9]+\\.[0-9][-.0-9]*~?\\'" nil t) > ("\\.\\(?:orig\\|in\\|[bB][aA][kK]\\)\\'" nil t) > > meaning that backup files (for example, foo.txt~, foo.txt~12, > foo.txt.orig, foo.txt.in, foo.txt.bak) will use major mode as for > foo.txt - the file with backup suffix stripped. > ----- > > WDYT? The feature of "recursive extension stripping" was already documented there. I added a few words about two examples of its usage (backup files aren't the only one, and I see no reason to treat them specially in this regard, let alone have the actual regexp in the manual). However, I sincerely doubt that having this described in that place will be discoverable enough. I also am not sure why you thought it was so important to mention: it's an obscure implementation detail intended to make Emacs DTRT, and as long it does TRT, why should users worry? But anyway, this is now in the manual for those who read the fine print. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 19 06:35:51 2023 Received: (at 60930-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2023 11:35:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42804 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pITCx-0005KI-AQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:35:51 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:45619) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pITCv-0005K0-HG for 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 06:35:50 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 8BA06240039 for <60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:35:42 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674128143; bh=+4rBWBoD0qkFka4tHqcyAylkiXoy2awV/87xio4u/cM=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=mOJi9NYWunUie8g++8I+zJ8QiAga3mDyl9Kc31CzY4OcrNFg3ZhZWYexvQijfk+KF IJXhzTTLFyoqIn+NwPaslQM2BEq1gKMgK80UEpJhS92ps2jScY/h1nm2FVVMVor29Q vrX0+GYH077yWZr9PUARaQOF14mfC4d6Q9sL4jwdd02pEqEZFtzn009Wy/E/A7W/+K 2HZB9Trj2wHhROiTg/Ngbo/D1QVLG5MgEQ7qOlkwDB7R6jz7poQG7jzYduqDHbqGpX ILrLFAEwCQa+W0Nji0jxH5ohGAKUZPva1XIjH13neVpubqHXTa8kNzbRxPQZeSjsXu 64opcIndYFHoQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NyLCx3ryRz6tpd; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 12:35:40 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:09 +0000 Message-ID: <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930-done Cc: 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > The feature of "recursive extension stripping" was already documented > there. I added a few words about two examples of its usage (backup > files aren't the only one, and I see no reason to treat them specially > in this regard, let alone have the actual regexp in the manual). > However, I sincerely doubt that having this described in that place > will be discoverable enough. I also am not sure why you thought it > was so important to mention: it's an obscure implementation detail > intended to make Emacs DTRT, and as long it does TRT, why should users > worry? I thought that it is important to mention because we got a bug report claiming that opening backups of Org files in org-mode is not expected: https://list.orgmode.org/25543.50706.554658.6937@gargle.gargle.HOWL/ As for discoverability, an index entry might do. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 19 08:28:27 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2023 13:28:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42888 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxu-0002AS-Lh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:27 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32978) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxs-0002AE-1v for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:25 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxl-0008If-8l; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RhdHrqUJHTmX5OoNNZm7b/rIHco5jRzXGTvp2g2KlIs=; b=rPlAfiYfBoiQ KL2yvARH1QjetNlRIRWqlgUxtSTCI9C/QDmhyyKDKABEepikTVA0U5z+iHINIhpdZJ4OR7KMl+H/s aFy5rQJVxADKxtfpzKdZsOW96Ika7Bq5xqewr5oBUAEDEkO+J/kgf+PRDzTFgY8qufZ/kgPiktEOQ bTe1ONB/Ba5PRqMgpG44xQAFVAuubJ3YgxpHBmVsbmA/XNvvSZFnJ2WOnhbx/cjBdF7pLOJg+j9SO DUqT0u08NFA+cy7joG/HIm7+pPH+xPxLt68bPDmsgJ0khQChpW9abi7f1o5nikRPGgMB2kGWNVO1z iiIfc4neirTFlhd8JGe9Qw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIUxk-0003O7-Ij; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:28:16 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 15:28:12 +0200 Message-Id: <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:09 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930-done@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 11:36:09 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > The feature of "recursive extension stripping" was already documented > > there. I added a few words about two examples of its usage (backup > > files aren't the only one, and I see no reason to treat them specially > > in this regard, let alone have the actual regexp in the manual). > > However, I sincerely doubt that having this described in that place > > will be discoverable enough. I also am not sure why you thought it > > was so important to mention: it's an obscure implementation detail > > intended to make Emacs DTRT, and as long it does TRT, why should users > > worry? > > I thought that it is important to mention because we got a bug report > claiming that opening backups of Org files in org-mode is not expected: > https://list.orgmode.org/25543.50706.554658.6937@gargle.gargle.HOWL/ It isn't clear from that complaint what mistakes could happen. Anyway, all that was requested there was to mention this in the manual, so that others won't be surprised (if they read the manual). > As for discoverability, an index entry might do. Please suggest a useful index entry. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 19 08:34:50 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2023 13:34:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42896 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIV45-0002KX-JI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:34:49 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:36451) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIV40-0002KI-M5 for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 08:34:48 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id EE8CF2408C8 for <60930@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:34:38 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674135279; bh=uhlX0ne4bYtVBsFXvKl4wXCuMkPXfr1QR50XmoGeQxA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=Ehw3bAHCk84B9HgapCOI4A4fcG9S3PBc85OunBgnVR7Uoy4P6kW+P+aHbIb5BfHYJ bEh2yF67AnzjW61NQdEkf6UCQ/JYCQRJ8tNdutt2Z7T3BSMiQrLPUC6zov5vlOEWcj /n4/rTArstM7/xYBk1zXyQjQqK25BXxcaze0GRKn8xABK19Hhtdsls0o0HXFBbjZCP gt+ylFfMshDohb6aGOonkwPmv9Fb9t4NCyTt2ngjdIUd0G1SWNJVSRQotLWyciOVfL z4c8ATpMkbkFeagFNZMgAxEu3ufCpMQBnKWd+TBwzyOmAoKoyc2a3Hh9eeur94Qx8z GxQ9r0kPJpdjQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NyNs95t2dz6tn0; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 14:34:37 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:35:08 +0000 Message-ID: <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Anyway, all that was requested there was to mention this in the > manual, so that others won't be surprised (if they read the manual). Sure. >> As for discoverability, an index entry might do. > > Please suggest a useful index entry. choosing a major mode, in backup files choosing a major mode, in encrypted files -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Jan 19 09:18:09 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jan 2023 14:18:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42951 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVk1-0003SW-00 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:18:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53974) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVjz-0003SJ-Hg for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:18:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVju-0001nB-Ab; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:18:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Tm95AgpKzzPd2KaHFMAQJ2/B+R7xYa5x4z7pzwMq1Fc=; b=FXlGn2oCSO2q mJE8IEHFsZCGj0uHjq14XGWchx/K24lvGCrA4i9ZEBQ4jQgjVDZd5mChMNd6iLLkaK6wt9Qu+OhnQ ww7vB4SnSF2GFLSDdyFP58mMFnZhWVTFCdJWi8xCP+gwUAFx/wGGpjkG0ef6wvyZ4KGkTJ/GQzG8L dzrg+ob1eyT42BZiXcPOiRJUzf13mhG5cUs2slqD7n8oWI/8fpwQhO0Gmq1e6Tm8sHUR9Edf7Ws9Q gRdI2auEhaFLaNJoIAFSA5BSeDpF6a/QnrQD/detl7pMxu+pFLG5B1/aQp4bdM8E+O8w0JQ9Ih9jE SJiGGPkmxrjNkKcO04BMYw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIVjt-0000FU-JE; Thu, 19 Jan 2023 09:18:01 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 16:17:59 +0200 Message-Id: <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:35:08 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 19 Jan 2023 13:35:08 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> As for discoverability, an index entry might do. > > > > Please suggest a useful index entry. > > choosing a major mode, in backup files > choosing a major mode, in encrypted files Thanks, I added @cindex backup files, choosing a major mode @cindex encrypted files, choosing a major mode because it is not useful to add several index entries that begin with the same text and point to the same place. If you think how index entries are used, you will understand why. P.S. I'm not sure index entries will help discoverability (you need to know what you are looking for to type an index entry), but adding indexing can never do any harm. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 20 08:29:03 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2023 13:29:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45856 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrS3-0008LI-I1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:29:03 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:44557) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrS1-0008Ko-Rr for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:29:02 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 59609240410 for <60930@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:28:55 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674221336; bh=5nxDuaF4VRkrNFgJKI6XQOZAnlnS4ODt2PN+X6Yh3gE=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=VOCwWajgJMLnqIIOvqLwFbQ23Kx5awwB0Q990JfmBbttVpNMZmHorrEwUVZ5Mh38l PnILrwsaL3OmM5pPHLAuyNNtsxof3NDMy7MUUwug83cX3Wq7RRMvnOi8VMSfO4XT0W l6sjnhZJmQ+Fo9mWqTk6wCMYX5/OP/BNiVEpDPx6pB0FJYzQ5TW4vlU2xA9B9fR/Ow 1wbTSUbNGli6HJvcrq05lOA/MsnbGvBK1qMGypqNm4b00QzUqOkUcqO1wo5Mqi3sVV LJ4pWu2/BCRXIZ+rhoqzMnwP6BhhrnScyOgtxbfOiROps4g+vpHhRNsB9vpC7MKUKE +4O3PlveQbfHw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Nz0h56hdXz6tmH; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 14:28:51 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:29:20 +0000 Message-ID: <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > P.S. I'm not sure index entries will help discoverability (you need > to know what you are looking for to type an index entry), but adding > indexing can never do any harm. I just need keywords. Most often, I invoke helm-info and search by index (`Info-index-nodes'). Word ordering in the index does not matter for me because of how helm matches candidates. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Jan 20 08:50:54 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Jan 2023 13:50:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45899 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrnC-0000l6-6U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:50:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38086) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrnA-0000ku-U6 for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:50:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrn5-0000na-NW; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:50:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=lh4xgrOLfmf/i2h/vqemUtN5pK1CwATCQTE/uTkYzA0=; b=CiLUnUGMMcU6 GXubbyRj+vRtcU3x9efKLb1MIR5jjFt6YqUuTJ0ddOvg/cDHTrL735s1DrGqt0OPBdbuqEB2g2RzU YY2LHljG4IHs31Kwwp61Qgb6Kfygwd0EMYXb54Vx/6Y7sCMoqe1aV7eUXnACyq6+cgRZTWY4tEI6g oYvNbU9513kQsnW4eVJGSgshV5E+0otItgOmgK4o62KuQckwIxpUp3/G9ml3WTRYo6JWteU/fe98d iozRk8THJPSWRCd61FfogFsuOv0VcjhCJ7Ugo/GcKkx5sT1hWkEYfFfMfuzbJ8XJxg1o92DzC8DNr qZ3Aw+sA3X9a85M8vo25lA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pIrn3-0002lO-Fa; Fri, 20 Jan 2023 08:50:45 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 15:50:46 +0200 Message-Id: <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:29:20 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 20 Jan 2023 13:29:20 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > P.S. I'm not sure index entries will help discoverability (you need > > to know what you are looking for to type an index entry), but adding > > indexing can never do any harm. > > I just need keywords. Most often, I invoke helm-info and search by index > (`Info-index-nodes'). Word ordering in the index does not matter for me > because of how helm matches candidates. We cannot possibly write index entries on the assumption that they will only be used through helm. The main client of index entries is info.el. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 04:38:52 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 09:38:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48071 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAKq-0006sS-3c for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:38:52 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:42379) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAKn-0006s3-SW for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:38:50 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 5997B240470 for <60930@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:38:44 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674293924; bh=PE+fQ+wJ/piSQJqcehgdk8SGtezyGmdBiRWqoBFrSo0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=QNf4iFxt0tCPHL5kij+f3+hfx/p2knjNORmXTYQcparLtHoMXwlZ0ffSk5RexRPga H39lrabchF+aXp3q9Uo3yNZ3d+mXTKpCFtLqW1qmuaTWB1fcda1HJH+4U2PinHY0LG fcK7WdpyDBAZ1BdlBo/f8Km4YMO3gZUawAq1BwRmf4wtm80POOfZMFU8gT5le+30gB OkDNSm4AWjZQ0/SxGFTYhoLnoz8vBf86nxojp1/mYhBT/mp+v+p5WrspLAvfWdxhaK Qwc0JzT8STWQA2UdK9LvLrC5pzrOLqwQyfplIy2LJU/ELGkHyKm5gp0IK9400B1w9O IM3GAaivl8+bw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NzWX31gT3z6tmV; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:38:43 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:39:14 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I just need keywords. Most often, I invoke helm-info and search by index >> (`Info-index-nodes'). Word ordering in the index does not matter for me >> because of how helm matches candidates. > > We cannot possibly write index entries on the assumption that they > will only be used through helm. The main client of index entries is > info.el. Sure. But wouldn't it be nice to have an ability to do orederless-style search across index keywords right from info.el? -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 04:55:50 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 09:55:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48083 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAbF-0007NH-Nc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:55:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44776) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAbE-0007N3-2X for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:55:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAb8-0005Yg-ND; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:55:42 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=zwn/wz6qv85ajW80l4kc/vilCTvCmV8HpBZnukYy2kA=; b=hLqfBUlPtY/5 15lAzxfgYPlVEPN/H/LyYgHNFRUOAmFq1B8h6oCSlkq2O6oskEMhGehJ7FsPYeuDGKscZ1I5mwPqk Fs2TDJAiVeD321eP8loTCTMyz0tKZ7pyx2rRC4MfU/t2jVptIXOQ27Ghxf9bQtwfzmHaSGMfivpST DpmNe6pk0eBUUk58gQfzHqxYemamYgVjCcU7Es8Njq/b1rOmEHsbZkZgqA5C95HM+6/yu1KFTKJLs wdwedc3u2kCkpklNqnsXfqBVQSVdQwtmRFyFb5a0I+HAu4zxDTddKM9buIuGkqGYxNomynIX+Ce09 xMaFnsWKIPo66gTwu7pV2Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAb7-0001Sl-Bg; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 04:55:42 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:55:42 +0200 Message-Id: <83v8l0ky8x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:39:14 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 09:39:14 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I just need keywords. Most often, I invoke helm-info and search by index > >> (`Info-index-nodes'). Word ordering in the index does not matter for me > >> because of how helm matches candidates. > > > > We cannot possibly write index entries on the assumption that they > > will only be used through helm. The main client of index entries is > > info.el. > > Sure. But wouldn't it be nice to have an ability to do orederless-style > search across index keywords right from info.el? I don't think I understand what you mean by "orederless-style search" in this context. Please elaborate. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 05:08:09 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 10:08:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48094 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAnB-0007g4-0u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 05:08:09 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:44475) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJAn9-0007fc-Rt for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 05:08:08 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0FED724036C for <60930@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:08:01 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674295682; bh=OLX4MXlIWAM7yWDXDNYX3RAvHYfJbnxT9ervZJgH/8I=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=iOjYxftV/ANXGZs1H2qvPKdKerD9gJzngnxNhC/RxcrwXREaqoBfcXGIv5LRvocz4 k+64QC31+DLGe7ieAntEtS/Xwptpp16GSe1qfElE47JDdKNtkyq2WTSIL6z7396Yrm r5B7U4TdL1F/ZKZ1f1TMT4cNmzfdcalk8KEYZBtjBewniXGzU1sQfxN7CJQB+qphgR hy7p+D+4W3/bZ+P3x04nN2VnrwG1hP1jAh2eGjX3xiPdhvxZC4tKuMhIBocaiAvspZ VA24edLE7JG1TvzPYCTBFK36/I7wGL90GGMR1mLPu/5Z+Jcmd21DTurYGRHXyURyHY VROxZhNyIcMdw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NzX9r6jBpz9rxD; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 11:08:00 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <83v8l0ky8x.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> <83v8l0ky8x.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:08:31 +0000 Message-ID: <87v8l0p5cw.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Sure. But wouldn't it be nice to have an ability to do orederless-style >> search across index keywords right from info.el? > > I don't think I understand what you mean by "orederless-style search" > in this context. Please elaborate. getting matches for arbitrary keyword order in the completion buffer: @cindex backup files, choosing a major mode could be matched by typing, say, "filemajorback" -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 06:36:38 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 11:36:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48179 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJCAo-0001aZ-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:36:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58090) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJCAl-0001aL-PS for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:36:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJCAg-0005Q3-FX; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:36:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=x/lcAD9XuYh/LjdFIg60bJnpP+2K2F/5uM2aActAVlM=; b=G7gqc/Lb4+nG vW7xKsRVOA4oBGmNil2jmL/lgEZLLwugkV2iN7jUrY0Smb6LmBZAuexV3VN+aa9qG8Kv8oVNk9a1b 8A2NUBX2oUDEl1V83fkcFhgXPYnHuvHi1LwzAzVjsE1Fv1cJcm1rOfCMBdGWfNgMAse+RnyMbezFj eR90oMnb4SKTEWhCxiaK09yHwX5puMCQm1BWR1AZjI2/lHMipO0BWABl77ZITNv/yabyLQHETqB4T 0oszZzxXRr4H2n4+wjM2FTa7a9ldaehh4A2ljsI1K9w4iNX0LrhGcG/F6Zl/qNdLstQK77qnWg0cV iimgaGMqJ2TgLL3BhyVyaw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pJCAf-0001qm-V3; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 06:36:30 -0500 Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 13:36:31 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfg4ktkw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko In-Reply-To: <87v8l0p5cw.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:08:31 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> <83v8l0ky8x.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8l0p5cw.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 10:08:31 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> Sure. But wouldn't it be nice to have an ability to do orederless-style > >> search across index keywords right from info.el? > > > > I don't think I understand what you mean by "orederless-style search" > > in this context. Please elaborate. > > getting matches for arbitrary keyword order in the completion buffer: > > @cindex backup files, choosing a major mode > > could be matched by typing, say, "filemajorback" That's up to the completion style you are using, right? In any case, "i backup file RET" says there are just 8 candidates, so it isn't a problem going over them one by one. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Jan 21 08:34:24 2023 Received: (at 60930) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Jan 2023 13:34:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48313 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJE0l-0006sS-RR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:34:24 -0500 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:43811) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pJE0k-0006sF-8x for 60930@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 08:34:23 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 3A0452402F1 for <60930@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:34:13 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1674308056; bh=2muzye8ps94txO4K4DszxD3XSy43rfDOQlTJp4kFr1c=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:From; b=Bb/VD58kPlcih+eLYqstUOJZQN07bf5LV/yZhPzhwyoNI3dI/w1WG4OZq0P3mnJK0 O7w93ad+hO7GFTN4B5c9m3sD8WToehi+K5u21hW3LlQ4ZmfMjUFMZrl9Hko/pNIENz uRCSSuSoxdSmxXy3AbMljGKVMw0vM/SkGwPfyqmKat8K0/XtdqDD/s9PJACYHEq56G rMbHt8zS/j4pjPWmWDyPOTD5na+8bhU09xwBzfCXaVqwif4LPr2hgWBsnixqfySPRQ JTC/2Go9NZNFBK0m1ihJiNuAV1CQhizFuUCpkTT57gH3AX0+I3geqIPby8NDpAkUnD XTcjCGJIjcnBQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Nzclm6DsDz9rxH; Sat, 21 Jan 2023 14:34:12 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60930: 30.0.50; 24.3 Choosing File Modes section of Emacs manual does not explain dealing with backup files In-Reply-To: <83sfg4ktkw.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87k01k6reb.fsf@localhost> <83lem00wfa.fsf@gnu.org> <878rhy4uza.fsf@localhost> <837cxipsb7.fsf@gnu.org> <874jsm4pgz.fsf@localhost> <833586pq08.fsf@gnu.org> <87zgadqqq7.fsf@localhost> <83v8l1mi15.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1pwp6pp.fsf@localhost> <83v8l0ky8x.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8l0p5cw.fsf@localhost> <83sfg4ktkw.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 13:34:44 +0000 Message-ID: <87pmb8ypsb.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60930 Cc: 60930@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> could be matched by typing, say, "filemajorback" > > That's up to the completion style you are using, right? > > In any case, "i backup file RET" says there are just 8 candidates, so > it isn't a problem going over them one by one. Hmm. You are right. I rarely use "i" command because it works only inside a single info manual. But otherwise "i" should indeed be sufficient to search keywords efficiently. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From unknown Tue Jun 17 21:50:27 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 19 Feb 2023 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator