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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to express my strong support for enabling delete-selection-mod= e by default. This is standard for almost all other text applications and f= eels unintuitive not to have it. Thanks for your consideration and keep up the good work. Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cair= o version 1.17.6) of 2022-09-12 built on frederik Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006 System Description: Manjaro Linux Configured using: 'configure --sysconfdir=3D/etc --prefix=3D/usr --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var --with-cairo --with-harfbuzz --with-libsystemd --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 'CFLAGS=3D-march=3Dx86-64 -mtune=3Dgeneric -O2 -pipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -Wformat -Werror=3Dformat-security -fstack-clash-protection -fcf-protection -g -ffile-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs/src=3D/usr/src/debug -flto=3Dauto' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now -flto=3Dauto'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_CA.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: electric-pair-mode: t display-fill-column-indicator-mode: t global-flycheck-mode: t flycheck-mode: t global-company-mode: t company-mode: t pyvenv-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t counsel-projectile-mode: t projectile-mode: t which-key-mode: t ivy-rich-mode: t ivy-mode: t doom-modeline-mode: t global-display-line-numbers-mode: t display-line-numbers-mode: t delete-selection-mode: t override-global-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: /home/eric/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-0.3.7/transient hides /usr/share/emacs/2= 8.2/lisp/transient Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message rfc822 mml mml-sec epa gnus-util rmail rmail-loaddefs mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail mail-utils ffap tide tide-lv typescript-mode cc-mode cc-fonts cc-guess cc-menus cc-cmds face-remap server elec-pair display-fill-column-indicator flycheck find-func company-oddmuse company-keywords company-etags company-gtags company-dabbrev-code company-dabbrev company-files company-cmake company-xcode company-clang company-semantic company-eclim company-template company-bbdb highlight-indentation flymake-proc flymake warnings company-capf company help-fns radix-tree elpy elpy-rpc pyvenv eshell esh-cmd esh-ext esh-opt esh-proc esh-io esh-arg esh-module esh-groups esh-util elpy-shell elpy-profile elpy-django elpy-refactor python tramp-sh 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I would like to express my strong support fo= r enabling delete-selection-mode by default. This is standard for almost al= l other text applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. 

Thanks for your consideration and keep up th= e good work.
Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan

In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x= 86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6)
 of 2022-09-12 built on = frederik
Windowing system distributor = 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006
System Description: Manjaro L= inux

Configured using:
 'configure --sysconfdir= =3D/etc --prefix=3D/usr --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib
 --localstatedir=3D/var = --with-cairo --with-harfbuzz --with-libsystemd
 --with-modules --with-x= -toolkit=3Dgtk3 'CFLAGS=3D-march=3Dx86-64
 -mtune=3Dgeneric -O2 -p= ipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2
 -Wformat -Werror=3Dform= at-security -fstack-clash-protection
 -fcf-protection -g -ffi= le-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs/src=3D/usr/src/debug
 -flto=3Dauto' 'LDFLAGS= =3D-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now
 -flto=3Dauto''

Configured features:
ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF G= LIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG
JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD = LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY
PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUN= D THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE
XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB

Important settings:
  value of $LC_MONETARY:= en_CA.UTF-8
  value of $LC_NUMERIC: = en_CA.UTF-8
  value of $LC_TIME: en_= CA.UTF-8
  value of $LANG: en_CA.= UTF-8
  value of $XMODIFIERS: = @im=3Dibus
  locale-coding-system: = utf-8-unix

Major mode: Lisp Interaction<= /div>

Minor modes in effect:
  electric-pair-mode: t<= /div>
  display-fill-column-in= dicator-mode: t
  global-flycheck-mode: = t
  flycheck-mode: t
  global-company-mode: t=
  company-mode: t
  pyvenv-mode: t
  shell-dirtrack-mode: t=
  counsel-projectile-mod= e: t
  projectile-mode: t
  which-key-mode: t
  ivy-rich-mode: t
  ivy-mode: t
  doom-modeline-mode: t<= /div>
  global-display-line-nu= mbers-mode: t
  display-line-numbers-m= ode: t
  delete-selection-mode:= t
  override-global-mode: = t
  global-eldoc-mode: t
  eldoc-mode: t
  show-paren-mode: t
  electric-indent-mode: = t
  mouse-wheel-mode: t
  file-name-shadow-mode:= t
  global-font-lock-mode:= t
  font-lock-mode: t
  blink-cursor-mode: t
  auto-composition-mode:= t
  auto-encryption-mode: = t
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rfc2045 mm-util ietf-drums ma= il-prsvr grep ibuf-ext ibuffer
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korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51= 932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
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window text-properties overla= y sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-= print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
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I've advocated the same for decades. This should have happened when we turned on `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both of those default-behavior changes should really have happened long before that. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID c23b242ad93f52594b307091fbbbb127; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 01:15:20 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Sun, 8 Jan 2023 16:34:56 +0000") References: Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:15:13 +0800 Message-ID: <878ri5dihq.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21062 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 562 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: >> I would like to express my strong support >> for enabling delete-selection-mode by default. >> This is standard for almost all other text >> applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. > > +1. I've advocated the same for decades. > > This should have happened when we turned on > `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both > of those default-behavior changes should > really have happened long before that. I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave things as they are. Thanks. 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Sat, 14 Jan 2023 03:51:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from amdahl30 ([2a01:e0a:253:fe0:2ef0:5dff:fed2:7b49]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id h15-20020a05600c314f00b003d99469ece1sm34548374wmo.24.2023.01.14.03.51.58 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 14 Jan 2023 03:51:58 -0800 (PST) From: =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec In-Reply-To: <878ri5dihq.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu via's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2023 09:15:13 +0800") References: <878ri5dihq.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100 Message-ID: <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::332; envelope-from=kevin.legouguec@gmail.com; helo=mail-wm1-x332.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, the Swiss army knife of text editors" writes: > Drew Adams writes: > >>> I would like to express my strong support >>> for enabling delete-selection-mode by default. >>> This is standard for almost all other text >>> applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. >> >> +1. I've advocated the same for decades. >> >> This should have happened when we turned on >> `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both >> of those default-behavior changes should >> really have happened long before that. > > I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave > things as they are. > > Thanks. Did we ever go through the length of making the sort of poll we had for show-paren-mode? I.e. * deciding to poll users on emacs-devel, * announcing on info-gnu-emacs, <62f50784-593d-b302-b8b6-6d614ec37737@yandex.ru> * collecting feedback on gnu-emacs-help, <9bc33df8-5c1b-cd82-f72e-6fc939990f37@yandex.ru> * debriefing on emacs-devel. <2aed65dd-bcec-8e0e-e48b-7664a041f98b@yandex.ru> Asking because a) delete-selection-mode sounds (IMO) like one of these options that meet the sweet (sour?) spot between triggering strong opinions ("Thou Shalt Not Change Long=C5=BFtanding Defaults", "But All Other Editors Do It", "It Is Surprising And Destructive", "It Is Natural And Convenient"), while being trivial to change in one's config either way, b) For all the hassle it might have been, the poll and discussion around it led to improvements to show-paren-mode, i.e. further fine-tuning of the defaults. I struggle to imagine how (b) could apply to delete-selection-mode, but then again my imagination is very limited. OTOH (a) might provide enough justification for a poll, especially when coupled with the recurring traffic that delete-selection-mode generates. (Thinking of e.g. these emacs-devel megathreads: * (2018) * <20100318185435.GB1522@muc.de> (2010) Oh hey, well, (b) might not be off the table after all: > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > the region active by other means. =E2=80=94 <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@gnu.org> Enlightening; I personally C-x C-x C-g without a second thought when all I want is to "jump to mark" (or I use C-u C-SPC). I use C-x C-x mostly for its region-activating effect (typically after C-y), rather than for its point-mark-swap effect, and I expect delete-selection-mode to clobber stuff I highlight with region-activating commands (C-M-SPC, C-x h, C-M-h, M-h, C-SPC + [move around]). But I understand how adding an option to control that would make sense) From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:24:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 60646 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, err291@mail.usask.ca, 60646@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com Received: via spool by 60646-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B60646.167369966917275 (code B ref 60646); Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 60646) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Jan 2023 12:34:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGfjx-0004UZ-52 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:29 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48238) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pGfjs-0004UJ-MH for 60646@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:27 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pGfjm-0002J8-SH; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:18 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=Morkw7/jU+AjHVsTd+1aXS9dXpISn8Lxo4prZjNXeec=; b=oYs3fcPXRUzag7BU72nZ qaZvAJ4H0Fq/h/ApcGfY4c5vKeLSx4gHIvRkkczr2mQXDmMxn5rfeMunETx3Ozy1tsxeRqaoJhc0R cZ4ljGE9KssXa9S/nljNcNKENN7a8dmUzTVwCKwBw0DG1cnztJcKLDkwZSSt/JnYyWirGwhm5Aayf vKeuCbOsnrDri/EDIvsuCPp9OVO+jV3UTdqpWMArzpiOlgXaRNvlUdcA4fisnYguLv5fqYH84MlgX Dc99p7WpNUQIcQGbJ2nlKOGaq6BsIHHOZA/hKUEpgDB/ABC9SZtFblotWyjaQIPbEjjzAjaYVFCFg y6hY+QjJ3RndWA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pGfjm-0001yQ-Ba; Sat, 14 Jan 2023 07:34:18 -0500 Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 14:34:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83sfgd70s4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@gmail.com> (message from =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec on Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100) References: <878ri5dihq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, err291@mail.usask.ca, drew.adams@oracle.com > From: Kévin Le Gouguec > Date: Sat, 14 Jan 2023 12:51:57 +0100 > > >> +1. I've advocated the same for decades. > >> > >> This should have happened when we turned on > >> `transient-mark-mode' by default. And both > >> of those default-behavior changes should > >> really have happened long before that. > > > > I disagree, but we've had this argument before, so please just leave > > things as they are. > > > > Thanks. > > Did we ever go through the length of making the sort of poll we had for > show-paren-mode? I think this was discussed in the past, yes. delete-selection-mode is problematic in that it introduces behavior that is extremely surprising and annoying to those who are used to the old-style GUI selections and the Emacs region. Thus, enabling it by default is out of the question; we've enabled transient-mark-mode as a partial nod to those who like the delete-selection-mode style of replacing text, but other than that, people who want that will have to enable it manually for the observable future, because we cannot possibly surprise our veteran users with such behavior. > Oh hey, well, (b) might not be off the table after all: > > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > > the region active by other means. > — <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@gnu.org> Note that the DEL part of the above already happens by default. 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Content preview: =?UTF-8?Q?[=E0=AE=9A=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=BF_?= =?UTF-8?Q?=E0=AE=9C=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF?= 14, 2023] =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin?= Le Gouguec wrote: > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.210.193 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 3.6 RCVD_IN_SBL_CSS RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL-CSS [118.185.152.162 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.210.193 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (visuweshm[at]gmail.com) 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager [=E0=AE=9A=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=BF =E0=AE=9C=E0=AE=A9=E0=AE=B5=E0=AE=B0=E0=AE=BF = 14, 2023] K=C3=A9vin Le Gouguec wrote: > > The _only_ problem I personally have with delete-selection-mode is > > that it also replaces the region created by the likes of "C-x C-x", > > something that "most software out there" does not and cannot do. If > > we were to change delete-selection-mode to replace only highlighted > > text created by mouse selections or by shift-selections, I think we > > could then enable it by default without much resistance, because > > typing a character or DEL after explicitly selecting text is many > > orders of magnitude less probable to be a mistake than when we make > > the region active by other means. > =E2=80=94 <83o9d5q1bi.fsf@gnu.org> > > Enlightening; I personally C-x C-x C-g without a second thought when > all I want is to "jump to mark" (or I use C-u C-SPC). I use C-x C-x > mostly for its region-activating effect (typically after C-y), rather > than for its point-mark-swap effect, and I expect delete-selection-mode > to clobber stuff I highlight with region-activating commands (C-M-SPC, > C-x h, C-M-h, M-h, C-SPC + [move around]). > > But I understand how adding an option to control that would make sense) I had the same problem with delete-selection-mode: mark and region is different from how "selection" works in other editors so deleting the active region in all cases was more disruptive than I anticipated. I hope delete-selection-temporary-region solves this problem for everyone like it did for me when I proposed the patch.=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 04 05:19:21 2023 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2023 09:19:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48735 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qd5jt-0000xW-LK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2023 05:19:21 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]:52549) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qd5jr-0000xG-Sr for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 04 Sep 2023 05:19:20 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-500bb392ab7so2061946e87.1 for ; Mon, 04 Sep 2023 02:19:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1693819154; x=1694423954; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Q2wY+I3pTkp4UlIpR6yO0UJqiQaOAHcm/wJY2caP4pc=; b=QpRjPkHMSQmH0AOSFv32tLf7/Dy7L/DsIpCgCvddfwxcGr4lOnN7gv39SrhyEbWrvg ONdM8N3+sl6Ma2jY2qlw2T5xhYhjwuJjjUtX/kpOJWv87FAcq8q7CEWXIPMKb4lRW2aN S1fiJlaBgX+YpAOW8XVbMApaE8+ezg+aOOYPiReynAQWoTiPwx2+JiUdE/PFuvE7yX4u Tb8YQSa2QA8/wfuAFD0Gv0bezLD9XSWvPVpeGOxivX3p2YA3weKCvg5c6EQi3756srje pp6moUSTb/ooHaAez6eg/bYqtwGMLtAFrSv6qGjSWoOtCwGr0l8Vfz4Kowxih3xb3iWp SIGA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693819154; x=1694423954; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=Q2wY+I3pTkp4UlIpR6yO0UJqiQaOAHcm/wJY2caP4pc=; b=K3ywdt9aHwDW3dGg3es23NyF7C+pjd1MXJyr2uc8h1aYUzeXGvprWIGtl9e8KjSBI7 Y+Zt4fGvAe8DXjkk8UhALqTt16y2sxTq39c+wNa+8Oi0MacdmUG2jz1neN/1WEjgZmaN H+yXGpX+QjxvDVVA2kWSB0FvzSPPkKREf4G7E73h995nrqPY4oReuHWZlL88F0AAdmXQ Vqm68S11FMzO12hVK/7t7jJsLu2mv65UEQtzNGji39B7M11IFvS5hzaW+KZDFRzWqfOr kWpGRlTogWrw4z1BjKaO4QopqTam5Pal1+eeirW89JWdIi686N7Fu/sgKuDfcq28mQFj LbMQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YyFTvoJSKBkmljjJL4LDTbIoKWSYzt+eDqXx1ZwU/zaBCdr9qSk QSKiecIUcRfEqt5A0l3Tdkh6LiGV9VFQKRJT+GB8Ma7/m7I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGdqkTTISOlFhIBFyENBJUM1CQqmohTVG2iNkaSoOqAoVtHQKPaWgijhGP4hs7uEmc08sM32YS+z2Zj8jwYw+s= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:33cf:b0:500:bff5:54ec with SMTP id d15-20020a05651233cf00b00500bff554ecmr7553378lfg.3.1693819154078; Mon, 04 Sep 2023 02:19:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 4 Sep 2023 02:19:13 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2023 02:19:13 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: control message for bug #60646 To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) severity 60646 wishlist quit From unknown Thu Jun 19 14:24:10 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: "Redekopp, Eric" Subject: bug#60646: closed (Re: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 60646 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 60646@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2023 21:34:02 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1693949642-18623-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1693949642-18623-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 60646@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 60646: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D60646 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1693949642-18623-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 60646-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2023 21:33:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59665 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qddfa-0004pE-CF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:33:10 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::234]:46301) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qddfZ-0004p2-7C for 60646-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 17:33:09 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x234.google.com with SMTP id 38308e7fff4ca-2bd3f629c76so49917251fa.0 for <60646-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:33:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1693949582; x=1694554382; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bVT+k2LT/zOVDPustJi1JzXOMLZawTuPM5h2cKC5JVk=; b=EA5rphqkgZkua7f8TNiFAae0sE4Fio8ZeMJFYv92mCVhiC8f46+2tbAVQTzAmKPExY DmNtAqjrgjE0eCumjlvS1rp2OldzLQY6XjJKo8I71UrZoOpfYDnOQ1yjfppQD5u4xN1j 0UhOKdq2BKx15hsQbrr6IgPfNyJn/9P5o5P3rTLog7NeqKoTEB9eeDrqCddteN69P4TP II1HE5rzKgPJo481JyYORYZepJWfwWx9Cj3SjV6czQ+LIVbuxsLp8N0Dkwncv/DuKSKW ocYoLkw1yBvBCBZgKhqqd+EyoiIs8nbbIAvAzee7CV33drmMxvd/b9nYWSxeJVmlZrnd i65A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1693949582; x=1694554382; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=bVT+k2LT/zOVDPustJi1JzXOMLZawTuPM5h2cKC5JVk=; b=GAWZy/pFADl+DalzSWZyzmAsHhrxwI8jzqhYz0ie8CUeCTNfI3g1S2HyoUo3GkK9tf UKe/HLpdn3NW8Ojwu7qtUKb77mlz0xJEXwdnnGjKQufawzg9cRFTvb7rwvnBbx7WNshh 6RT6mSmC38c1GZO/Ddc1N9HCa66GuYKoV9ydUGXshExn1rvSVl0wh3J8z0pb18J1zbjm 6YdpW27rFZUODxWlEFAZIVdKljwcibmvrBBuPSxAzIxmeFZTfBKLaLlj8g9wBo+W/nvr skPUFTGAeMp5Zojwk4y+8G4ID1/CUA4AUP97ZnkObLWHX8ZgZZtMhJAsYHljUr6KSeKU d9MQ== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxatWR4pmJciBMDzOme59ULWJY0P/WHFBuG0jA8MtV+b+p9+vlR e1RCRJyNDiu0Ehb5Z/8l5SOJsGOTscF7sx3y8EA= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IHC8fHTGF+b0iTNbLD/yZi2SFpKYjG99v7un2nXYQ4dSLdl5AeCVLQdjYepiyr5hD8vkf+rU77/azu3bj5p6bI= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:b6d3:0:b0:2bc:bece:2264 with SMTP id m19-20020a2eb6d3000000b002bcbece2264mr689197ljo.50.1693949582407; Tue, 05 Sep 2023 14:33:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:33:01 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83sfgd70s4.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 14 Jan 2023 14:34:19 +0200") References: <878ri5dihq.fsf@yahoo.com> <87sfgd8hb6.fsf@gmail.com> <83sfgd70s4.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 14:33:01 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#60646: 28.2; delete-selection-mode To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60646-done Cc: luangruo@yahoo.com, err291@mail.usask.ca, 60646-done@debbugs.gnu.org, drew.adams@oracle.com, =?UTF-8?Q?K=C3=A9vin_Le_Gouguec?= X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > delete-selection-mode is problematic in that it introduces behavior > that is extremely surprising and annoying to those who are used to the > old-style GUI selections and the Emacs region. That's probably true. I'd personally not use the word "extremely" given that it'd be relatively easy for veterans to turn it off (easier than, say, for beginners to turn it on). > Thus, enabling it by default is out of the question; I don't agree, not completely, but this *is* long-standing behavior, and a change would be controversial. This has been discussed many times, and it's been hard to find a new consensus. I'm therefore closing this bug report. Thanks for reporting it, and I'm sorry if the conclusion is disappointing. 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charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I would like to express my strong support for enabling delete-selection-mod= e by default. This is standard for almost all other text applications and f= eels unintuitive not to have it. Thanks for your consideration and keep up the good work. Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cair= o version 1.17.6) of 2022-09-12 built on frederik Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006 System Description: Manjaro Linux Configured using: 'configure --sysconfdir=3D/etc --prefix=3D/usr --libexecdir=3D/usr/lib --localstatedir=3D/var --with-cairo --with-harfbuzz --with-libsystemd --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 'CFLAGS=3D-march=3Dx86-64 -mtune=3Dgeneric -O2 -pipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2 -Wformat -Werror=3Dformat-security -fstack-clash-protection -fcf-protection -g -ffile-prefix-map=3D/build/emacs/src=3D/usr/src/debug -flto=3Dauto' 'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now -flto=3Dauto'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS 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I would like to express my strong support fo= r enabling delete-selection-mode by default. This is standard for almost al= l other text applications and feels unintuitive not to have it. 

Thanks for your consideration and keep up th= e good work.
Eric Redekopp, University Of Saskatchewan

In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x= 86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6)
 of 2022-09-12 built on = frederik
Windowing system distributor = 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101006
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Configured using:
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url-vars seq byte-opt gv byte= comp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib
iso-transl tooltip eldoc pare= n electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks
lisp-float-type elisp-mode mw= heel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd
tool-bar dnd fontset image re= gexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace
newcomment text-mode lisp-mod= e prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar
rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu = timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock
font-lock syntax font-core te= rm/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic
cham georgian utf-8-lang misc= -lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao
korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51= 932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech
european ethiopic indian cyri= llic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript
charprop case-table epa-hook = jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray
cl-preloaded nadvice button l= oaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files
window text-properties overla= y sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages
mule custom widget hashtable-= print-readable backquote threads dbusbind
inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting= system-font-setting font-render-setting
cairo move-toolbar gtk x-tool= kit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs)

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