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charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60639 Cc: 60639@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 60639 wontfix close 60639 thanks Xie Shynur writes: > In the section 2.1 "Printed Representation and Read Syntax" > (https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/elisp/Printed-Representation.html), > word "hash notation" is used to refer to the symbol "#". > But it may well confuse non-native English speakers, because the "hash" is also associated with "hash function". > > A better name for "#" is "number sign". I don't think "number sign" is very clear, and to be honest I think our target audience should have to learn that "#" is called a hash. So we won't be making this change. Sorry. Closing this as wontfix. 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Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: RE: [External] : bug#60639: Improvement to the Wording of GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual To: Drew Adams , Xie Shynur Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60639 Cc: "60639@debbugs.gnu.org" <60639@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) reopen 60639 thanks Drew Adams writes: > A simple sentence such as this in Wikipedia can > make things clear: > > "The symbol # is known variously in > English-speaking regions as the number sign,[1] > hash,[2] or pound sign.[3]" > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign Fair enough. The patch actually just adds it as an alternative, so in that sense it's already okay. If there are no objections, I think we could install this patch, then. Let's see if there are any other opinions first though. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:05:35 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: Did not alter fixed versions and reopened. 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FWIW, we never use "#" before numbers, we simply write "No." so "number sign" is an alien term. People here call "#" hash or hashtag. > So we won't be making this change. Sorry. > > Closing this as wontfix. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 06 07:52:29 2023 Received: (at 60639) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2023 11:52:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr5A-0004Va-N5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:28 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:57884) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr57-0004VK-Cg for 60639@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:26 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr50-0003yz-6V; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:52:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=toaUxmTw/LekWfGU17jZIbsh1f3JWriBrt2RJ8NXxaE=; b=aYe6DvndzhMm 5Wzdp/0evZsuoOCy9kY5jE9m42ofAhnY61oEEMPtOfqByZR8moSwHahoxNS51UlvG/J3KecnGvAPZ IUDh7aIs+MGZ07XF8DjQtpPVdeuKTOq95t5yvkj6O7H86+JiKXLKixvAEL7FepFFg9cpUzPI9ED2y SWvzLAMuQK5SmJD5/eDGuHHtNa6foSdjTOBcocYdNIOthBK8hLx42oH2MYLvvUioGsPwhXNYzIwW+ ly/7DAFoIfqSlqzhNBzDQ/GGP/Khso1/ahUM+g/qaZIItAuAObF6YioBFgTogBKJVmzc7cV9EYb6K 2/ZmIJWv30LjTmmTlDV6cQ==; Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 14:52:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83fs3r34f1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#60639: Improvement to the Wording of GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60639 Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, 60639@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: "60639@debbugs.gnu.org" <60639@debbugs.gnu.org> > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Tue, 5 Sep 2023 18:46:08 -0700 > > reopen 60639 > thanks > > Drew Adams writes: > > > A simple sentence such as this in Wikipedia can > > make things clear: > > > > "The symbol # is known variously in > > English-speaking regions as the number sign,[1] > > hash,[2] or pound sign.[3]" > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Number_sign > > Fair enough. > > The patch actually just adds it as an alternative, so in that sense it's > already okay. If there are no objections, I think we could install this > patch, then. Let's see if there are any other opinions first though. I don't mind installing it, but IMO its wording needs some improvement. Here's what I suggest to install: In most cases, an object's printed representation is also a read syntax for the object. However, some types have no read syntax, since it does not make sense to enter objects of these types as constants in a Lisp program. These objects are printed in @dfn{hash notation}, which consists of the characters @samp{#<}, a descriptive string (typically the type name followed by the name of the object), and a closing @samp{>}. (This is called ``hash notation'' because it begins with the @samp{#} character, known as ``hash'' or ``number sign''). For example: The main point here is that "hash notation" is NOT what's known as "number sign"; rather, the # character itself is known as "number sign". From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 06 07:56:31 2023 Received: (at 60639) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2023 11:56:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33225 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr94-0004br-ME for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:56:30 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x134.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::134]:45402) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdr90-0004bX-CC for 60639@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 07:56:29 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x134.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-501cc617a27so541431e87.3 for <60639@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:56:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694001379; x=1694606179; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUgF9pzgdyTXL0bp6+fmO1krMjgRMnQ+G6Ih1JlOx6o=; b=BSrnCby6s1xDuD1XpCc/DaNcwX5bg5PBV0lpx/ixOqxqxVyCvIdtnA7HfL2dNMngtv yI1MN8pPBudJJcHdLtA8vKDNa3OUdPoNtgqI1+AYrKwi31O+tv6lMhQ4qgYPAPRRzeEt cDB6uYKWevVlpEyFC7Yy6cQwkQ9BRKJpbAoVc2sngtgXwQHGjmavFRsOS1YjNPLd4Jfl tz9QxoTbeXoSF266vpDsGsgRA5R6e9AqQpZCparVa+tjdy59VOO8SnTk6YWcG+0wCny7 1eJU3UubNnqQ0mn4Nz4lYYQMVaIXLfWmNf97MiXBZEMaPPXpFyBIV9il+bHAGoLgbeC3 VbqQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20221208; t=1694001379; x=1694606179; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=sUgF9pzgdyTXL0bp6+fmO1krMjgRMnQ+G6Ih1JlOx6o=; b=HhLJBsVkt2+ltfSTWp+aoAc+lNfD4hybJPV44wvQ/RkvB8cwXi4IK+3Kp8kXDN545Z K8Ci8tlBxhjFuANTNZuvCt20/+l2Xbv+LY9XJ+VbO/sY02YCak7UpiAWPspmiIGVMIEr G8q0Bb9vIxVpMSc5KvNR0v4DTwnDvyuBm2bXIzUXRTIQqznQmZJkRO2MhpiHsw7vHjKZ LWc9zTaToi+gRq8VSexgggwoSatZbqsmvulpJyNtjFWjNXhNkZa44FKWpL67R1wwuC4T 7jyNSyUThEummCEjvBzVjm5iKK7bnB3oOVwgJ3WaJyJjGClYY/cVY/19Fb4kKJw6scbe QpNA== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YzEI1htVit9aN/2caXUcorbgdXV4rzqpiTtqiqUVH3xJldpVaw1 w5bnq4jtA9Q2b7/jdi2A4Rm9my9O/hOLaRwjnqI= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFxaYe6kdkrdMec7PuW85tfpjD/wBlvlHvpXjilAByy4xrFoy03/jmgr/2h0FE7GXVLqhObu2brpd5Zz885BCw= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:3254:b0:500:a694:46f with SMTP id c20-20020a056512325400b00500a694046fmr2079063lfr.19.1694001379031; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 04:56:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 6 Sep 2023 04:56:18 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83fs3r34f1.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83fs3r34f1.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 04:56:18 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#60639: Improvement to the Wording of GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60639 Cc: one.last.kiss@outlook.com, drew.adams@oracle.com, 60639@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I don't mind installing it, but IMO its wording needs some > improvement. Here's what I suggest to install: > > In most cases, an object's printed representation is also a read > syntax for the object. However, some types have no read syntax, since > it does not make sense to enter objects of these types as constants in > a Lisp program. These objects are printed in @dfn{hash notation}, > which consists of the characters @samp{#<}, a descriptive string > (typically the type name followed by the name of the object), and a > closing @samp{>}. (This is called ``hash notation'' because it > begins with the @samp{#} character, known as ``hash'' or ``number > sign''). For example: Looks good to me. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 06 08:50:46 2023 Received: (at 60639-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2023 12:50:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33389 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdrza-0000O8-JU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 08:50:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:34522) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qdrzZ-0000Nt-7z for 60639-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 08:50:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qdrzS-0008T2-KJ; Wed, 06 Sep 2023 08:50:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OVWty9rpGK6s6KKJIfXjecOwhbYnJKnhAvNHtzLx344=; b=TpW+GSsoiDs/ elogBQFoJxtbnlArg397SAG0HvuCn7283nk6r/hrg5sUFf6XCa7qAGoHJlP1R60cV7qhb1ODToFZ8 UK7M1/Bed5+sTB4b4gMvwWzDiRqgvILLOr81L8PtbwP4NoQa8bQJZ08/UicNjyDPS1thTsQB6vlZJ Gpn0e2jbU//b6TP2swTaUJESCzDvkaPN1SU4+to1W+elH21vzjiR2oGQV58WlwZMAnYpxEUtCt5hk flakrg7k39q01Bq2UcUxwN1wzONzU3otk82ceWrXXsaIxUnkkvqRBYdKGUDU7+fHHSiRFvMJk5CeF MAnh4/JqAuf4JTmcvBNYKA==; Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2023 15:50:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83wmx31n5c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 6 Sep 2023 04:56:18 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#60639: Improvement to the Wording of GNU Emacs Lisp Reference Manual References: <83fs3r34f1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60639-done Cc: 60639-done@debbugs.gnu.org, one.last.kiss@outlook.com, drew.adams@oracle.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2023 04:56:18 -0700 > Cc: drew.adams@oracle.com, one.last.kiss@outlook.com, 60639@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I don't mind installing it, but IMO its wording needs some > > improvement. Here's what I suggest to install: > > > > In most cases, an object's printed representation is also a read > > syntax for the object. However, some types have no read syntax, since > > it does not make sense to enter objects of these types as constants in > > a Lisp program. These objects are printed in @dfn{hash notation}, > > which consists of the characters @samp{#<}, a descriptive string > > (typically the type name followed by the name of the object), and a > > closing @samp{>}. (This is called ``hash notation'' because it > > begins with the @samp{#} character, known as ``hash'' or ``number > > sign''). For example: > > Looks good to me. Now installed on the emacs-29 branch, and closing the bug. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:05:35 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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