From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.127211294826728 (code B ref -1); Sat, 24 Apr 2010 12:43:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2010 12:42:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5egl-0006x2-4V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:27 -0400 Received: from mx10.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5egh-0006ws-Vn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:26 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([199.232.76.165]:59744) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1O5egc-0006HV-5s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:18 -0400 Received: from mailman by lists.gnu.org with tmda-scanned (Exim 4.43) id 1O5egb-0008Gw-DS for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:17 -0400 Received: from [140.186.70.92] (port=45475 helo=eggs.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1O5egX-0008FF-S6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:17 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,GAPPY_SUBJECT autolearn=no version=3.3.0 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5egW-0002Yv-Am for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout20.012.net.il ([80.179.55.166]:35836) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5egW-0002Ya-3t for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 08:42:12 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout20.012.net.il by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1D00E00SIP8500@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:42:09 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout20.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1D00BFRSM8NY70@a-mtaout20.012.net.il> for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:42:09 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:42:11 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Solaris 10 (beta) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -3.7 (---) This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, not to your local site managers! Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': Inside an Emacs bzr branch: emacs -Q C-h H C-x C-q The last command causes Emacs to display the following bogus message: File is under version-control; use C-x v v to check in/out The buffer becomes writable, nonetheless, as expected. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. For information about debugging Emacs, please read the file d:/gnu/bzr/emacs/trunk/etc/DEBUG. In GNU Emacs 24.0.50.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-04-24 on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1255 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: C-h H C-x C-q M-x r e p o r t - e m a Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. Loading vc-bzr...done View mode: type C-h for help, h for commands, q to quit. File is under version-control; use C-x v v to check in/out Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort gnus-util mail-extr message rfc822 mml easymenu mml-sec mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mailabbrev mail-utils gmm-utils mailheader emacsbug thai-util thai-word mule-util lao-util regexp-opt vc-bzr sha1 hex-util view tooltip ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel dos-w32 disp-table ls-lisp w32-win w32-vars tool-bar dnd fontset image fringe lisp-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow timer select scroll-bar mldrag mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core frame cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev button minibuffer faces cus-face files text-properties overlay md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote make-network-process multi-tty emacs) From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:33:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.12721375838221 (code B ref 6028); Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:33:04 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2010 19:33:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5l65-00028Y-VG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:33:02 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5l64-00028L-Pa for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:33:01 -0400 Received: from dann by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5l63-0002mm-1Y; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:32:59 -0400 References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dan Nicolaescu Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:32:58 -0400 In-Reply-To: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat\, 24 Apr 2010 15\:42\:11 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.1 (------) Eli Zaretskii writes: > This bug report will be sent to the Free Software Foundation, > not to your local site managers! > Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers > usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. > > Your bug report will be posted to the bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org mailing list, > and to the gnu.emacs.bug news group. > > Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug > and the precise symptoms of the bug. If you can, give > a recipe starting from `emacs -Q': > > Inside an Emacs bzr branch: > > emacs -Q > C-h H > C-x C-q > > The last command causes Emacs to display the following bogus message: > > File is under version-control; use C-x v v to check in/out > > The buffer becomes writable, nonetheless, as expected. If this is in an uninstalled tree, then C-h H opens the HELLO file that is managed by bzr. The message that you see is what VC says when you try to make writable a file managed by VC. Is that the issue here? From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127214173412612 (code B ref 6028); Sat, 24 Apr 2010 20:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2010 20:42:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5mB3-0003HN-1G for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:42:13 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5mB0-0003HI-K3 for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 16:42:11 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1E00G00ERERJ00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:40:47 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1E00DG9ERYBFA0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:40:47 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:40:51 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) > Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:32:58 -0400 > > If this is in an uninstalled tree, then C-h H opens the HELLO file that is managed by bzr. Yes. > The message that you see is what VC says when you try to make writable a file managed by VC. > Is that the issue here? The issue here is that the message is bogus. The VCS that is used does not require "C-x v v" to make the file writable, because the file is already writable under bzr. The _buffer_ is made read-only by "C-h H", but the file is not. Perhaps VC sees that the file is under VCS control and the buffer is read-only, and erroneously deduces that the VC backend is some VCS of the locking variety. But that is false. I think VC should not display this message if the backend is not a locking VCS. From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:06:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127216472125534 (code B ref 6028); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 03:06:01 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 03:05:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5s9o-0006dn-Je for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:20 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5s9m-0006di-Mp for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:19 -0400 Received: from dann by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O5s9l-0007IW-Nd; Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:17 -0400 References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dan Nicolaescu Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:17 -0400 In-Reply-To: <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat\, 24 Apr 2010 23\:40\:51 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org >> From: Dan Nicolaescu >> Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:32:58 -0400 >> >> If this is in an uninstalled tree, then C-h H opens the HELLO file that is managed by bzr. > > Yes. > >> The message that you see is what VC says when you try to make writable a file managed by VC. >> Is that the issue here? > > The issue here is that the message is bogus. The VCS that is used > does not require "C-x v v" to make the file writable, because the file > is already writable under bzr. The _buffer_ is made read-only by > "C-h H", but the file is not. Perhaps VC sees that the file is under > VCS control and the buffer is read-only, and erroneously deduces that > the VC backend is some VCS of the locking variety. But that is false. > > I think VC should not display this message if the backend is not a > locking VCS. FWIW I agree. I think this was discussed on the list a few times, but I don't remember the conclusion.... But please retitle this bug to be more descriptive of the actual problem. From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:20:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127220159113318 (code B ref 6028); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:20:03 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 13:19:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O61kV-0003Sl-Lc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:19:51 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.183] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O61kT-0003Sf-34 for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:19:49 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApYJACLe00vO+KoL/2dsb2JhbACBJZsOcrw4hQwEjA0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,270,1270440000"; d="scan'208";a="62371123" Received: from 206-248-170-11.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.170.11]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 25 Apr 2010 09:19:43 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 5F8EA82C3; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:19:43 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:19:43 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:17 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) >> I think VC should not display this message if the backend is not a >> locking VCS. > FWIW I agree. I think this was discussed on the list a few times, but > I don't remember the conclusion.... Yes. Especially since this message was there to help the transition away from C-x C-q to C-x v v for vc-next-action. Since this change was made for Emacs-22, I think we can simply drop this message altogether for Emacs-24. Stefan From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:46:03 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127220316214122 (code B ref 6028); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 13:46:03 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 13:46:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O629q-0003fj-BH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:46:02 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O629o-0003fa-18 for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:46:00 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1F00A00Q5V6000@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:45:51 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1F000M1Q8EQDM0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il>; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:45:51 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:45:56 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83vdbfzluz.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) > Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2010 23:05:17 -0400 > > But please retitle this bug to be more descriptive of the actual problem. Retitled as: VC assumes files of read-only buffers are locked by a VCS OK? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Apr 25 09:45:22 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 13:45:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O629B-0003fR-9s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:45:22 -0400 Received: from mtaout22.012.net.il ([80.179.55.172]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6298-0003fH-L7 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 09:45:19 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout22.012.net.il by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1F00900PRTVB00@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:44:57 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout22.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1F001DLQ6VP2L0@a-mtaout22.012.net.il> for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:44:56 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:45:01 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Message-id: <83wrvvzlwi.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) retitle 6028 24.0.50; VC assumes files of read-only buffers are locked by a VCS From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Dan Nicolaescu Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Monnier Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127222325929343 (code B ref 6028); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 19:20:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O67Ny-0007dD-Qj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:59 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O67Nw-0007d7-U1 for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:57 -0400 Received: from dann by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O67Ns-0000MZ-Dt; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:52 -0400 References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Dan Nicolaescu Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:52 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Stefan Monnier's message of "Sun\, 25 Apr 2010 09\:19\:43 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) Stefan Monnier writes: >>> I think VC should not display this message if the backend is not a >>> locking VCS. >> FWIW I agree. I think this was discussed on the list a few times, but >> I don't remember the conclusion.... > > Yes. Especially since this message was there to help the transition > away from C-x C-q to C-x v v for vc-next-action. > > Since this change was made for Emacs-22, I think we can simply drop this > message altogether for Emacs-24. IMHO the message still makes sense for RCS (and similar systems) where editing files requires an explicit checkout operation. From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org, monnier@iro.umontreal.ca Reply-To: Eli Zaretskii Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127222443229984 (code B ref 6028); Sun, 25 Apr 2010 19:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Apr 2010 19:40:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O67gt-0007nZ-6J for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:40:31 -0400 Received: from mtaout23.012.net.il ([80.179.55.175]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O67gq-0007nR-UL for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:40:30 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.a-mtaout23.012.net.il by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) id <0L1G005006IZAP00@a-mtaout23.012.net.il> for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:40:24 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([77.124.71.78]) by a-mtaout23.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2007.08) with ESMTPA id <0L1G0039Q6NB8170@a-mtaout23.012.net.il>; Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:40:24 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 22:40:28 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii In-reply-to: X-012-Sender: halo1@inter.net.il Message-id: <83hbmzz5g3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) > From: Dan Nicolaescu > Date: Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:52 -0400 > Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org > > Stefan Monnier writes: > > >>> I think VC should not display this message if the backend is not a > >>> locking VCS. > >> FWIW I agree. I think this was discussed on the list a few times, but > >> I don't remember the conclusion.... > > > > Yes. Especially since this message was there to help the transition > > away from C-x C-q to C-x v v for vc-next-action. > > > > Since this change was made for Emacs-22, I think we can simply drop this > > message altogether for Emacs-24. > > IMHO the message still makes sense for RCS (and similar systems) where > editing files requires an explicit checkout operation. Agreed. From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Stefan Monnier Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:26:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Dan Nicolaescu Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.127229193032040 (code B ref 6028); Mon, 26 Apr 2010 14:26:01 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2010 14:25:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6PFa-0008Kj-8v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:25:30 -0400 Received: from ironport2-out.teksavvy.com ([206.248.154.181] helo=ironport2-out.pppoe.ca) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6PFX-0008Kd-JT for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:25:28 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Aq8KAOk+1UvO+KoL/2dsb2JhbACBJZsVcsBohQwEjA0 X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.52,273,1270440000"; d="scan'208";a="62506282" Received: from 206-248-170-11.dsl.teksavvy.com (HELO pastel.home) ([206.248.170.11]) by ironport2-out.pppoe.ca with ESMTP; 26 Apr 2010 10:25:22 -0400 Received: by pastel.home (Postfix, from userid 20848) id 4D4987F22; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:25:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Monnier Message-ID: References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> <834oj01t4c.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 10:25:22 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Dan Nicolaescu's message of "Sun, 25 Apr 2010 15:20:52 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -1.5 (-) > IMHO the message still makes sense for RCS (and similar systems) where > editing files requires an explicit checkout operation. If someone wants to write a patch that preserves the message for locking VCSes, I'll be happy to integrate it, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 26 12:32:46 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Apr 2010 16:32:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6REk-0000on-4b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:32:46 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6REi-0000oi-QN for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:32:45 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1O6REe-0001tM-0h; Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:32:40 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19413.49191.892618.963271@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 26 Apr 2010 12:32:39 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: white X-Ran: 3[pfxg,o#U$I`={2Q\}pa6Nwg_vOjC"uBuu:ADU@j)*:E[2y&tXT]i6P,b1*Y|8?h:D List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) reassign 6040 emacs severity 6038 minor severity 6028 minor severity 6018 minor From unknown Sat Aug 09 13:18:10 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#6028: 24.0.50; HELLO wants "C-x v v" Resent-From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-To: owner@debbugs.gnu.org Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:10:04 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 6028 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 6028@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 6028-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B6028.13105805736141 (code B ref 6028); Wed, 13 Jul 2011 18:10:04 +0000 Received: (at 6028) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 18:09:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3sK-0001b0-LI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:09:32 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3sC-0001aC-1I for 6028@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:09:24 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3rx-0002Ap-Pd; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:09 +0200 From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:42:11 +0300") Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:08:54 +0200 Message-ID: References: <83eii510po.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110018 (No Gnus v0.18) Emacs/24.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Now-Playing: Talking Heads's _The Name Of This Band Is Talking Heads (Disc 2: 1980-1981)_: "Born Under Punches (The Heat Goes On)" X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:eliz@gnu.org::8B6sLcJ7Pn8I8Gma:00000IxOG X-Hashcash: 1:23:110713:6028@debbugs.gnu.org::TLIaHlm26isRB/im:00000000000000000000000000000000000000000In+Z MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh3rx-0002Ap-Pd X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311185349.97632@HT6CRFU3zXBZZpn7mSzzNw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Inside an Emacs bzr branch: > > emacs -Q > C-h H > C-x C-q > > The last command causes Emacs to display the following bogus message: > > File is under version-control; use C-x v v to check in/out > > The buffer becomes writable, nonetheless, as expected. This bug seems to have disappeared now (because of the change I did last week to `C-x C-q'?), so I'm closing this bug. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jul 13 14:09:13 2011 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Jul 2011 18:09:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3s1-0001Zy-DN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:09:13 -0400 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3rz-0001Zj-Dl for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 14:09:11 -0400 Received: from cm-84.215.51.58.getinternet.no ([84.215.51.58] helo=quimbies.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Qh3ro-0002AG-8j for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:09:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 13 Jul 2011 20:08:59 +0200 Message-Id: To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #6028 X-MailScanner-ID: 1Qh3ro-0002AG-8j X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1311185340.55921@SiKYXQFTgTFs/HUekp88yg X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.7 (--) close 6028