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<6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:21:56 +0100 > From: martin rudalics > > This change > > --- a/lisp/help-fns.el > +++ b/lisp/help-fns.el > @@ -229,7 +229,7 @@ help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt > (lambda (f) (if want-command > (commandp f) > (or (fboundp f) (get f 'function-documentation)))) > - t nil nil > + 'confirm nil nil > (and fn (symbol-name fn))))) > (unless (equal val "") > (setq fn (intern val))) > > in > > commit c12838c73ef161850a081f9ccea6e375b7c2f93b > Author: Stefan Monnier > Date: Fri Sep 2 09:54:13 2022 -0400 > > breaks my working flow as follows: With Emacs 28 when I type > > C-h f RET set-face-a RET > > I get a help window on ‘set-face-attribute’. Now I'm asked to > [Confirm]. Kindly add some way to get the old behavior back. Stefan, any suggestions for more backward compatibility? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 22 11:12:17 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2022 16:12:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35917 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8OB6-0000DU-SB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:12:17 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:63963) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8OB4-0000DN-NP for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:12:15 -0500 Received: from pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id D5361805D5; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg2.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 30ABB8058E; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:17 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1671720857; bh=3RMHhQd3HDxzePWZVACq6KYLiT/DoIa1u/qYZRTCSbQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=gZiK8O7GfT1Kun2lx5OQRE2lfipOy8Ry8CtScLGCzBTAswDR5xGCAmlq4v6yY0Ywt 1VQSFhTgZJolD3SHxWHkdwMmN86vhN+M9Lr5TDuQqWOvCZR3dNq7iSm07UzeC1lDG/ 7jA0A0Pg16eamH0OzTIFkB9BkFtcvFzCgupVxPnQTSARddeYYDS2LhGzUnYebm16uF Af2fznY3oUvLueX4RvjJA109Yj2Ao8VV2ZztdzfDkkyvXRBTTNL8ZX+/ZOuG8Jqkjo hmsZXmXP33rIfEmnEM3X6ZKNuSJrul+LdmQl5W8HKk3b7ujDy82fGDIaYOdRp0DD6i fBXlB/C01vK7A== Received: from pastel (unknown [45.72.200.228]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E1F6B1201E7; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:16 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2022 12:54:24 +0200") Message-ID: References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:15 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.313 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: martin rudalics , 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Stefan, any suggestions for more backward compatibility? We can presumably try and do a better job in the completion table. I can't work on it now, tho, Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 22 11:23:05 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2022 16:23:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35944 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8OLZ-0000L3-0p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:23:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8OLX-0000KK-8x for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:23:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8NXF-00016q-Vp; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:31:06 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=n7w03QkOS9RjCXBoQKy44xNY2NNmZXnZZl6sKxIqK5s=; b=jCpFBTW5blyc vdYHu1lzb5YH5xSAAeIRweAz3QR+40gBCNemPJNyCBu5TyBOsSxaqq0FpuKjuznXIlXFftliDP2Ug mAptMt3glRbMROsHvq3gKJzYNY7ydgGvsfWUTaCG4PNB1DAqf7+foNo12lUswgBYD5Q5OriHi7vSA vGKv4Zv7mPRVl6+Mhwdr5w2R3nO7+4EOfMSnxxXajAFvgE2IcjZvy0n9BBSIj/KVr/F9UTp3ZtNMX upZq3Rs7GC6cHp2/HV8wLFIWASESiDnDF2Q1ZNFeHvZ1POsvDTWWfL11dJ32LrMv3lrywSfQRSczp QSlVdKZd5swU9O/OeLrQOA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8NXE-0004pY-Me; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 10:31:05 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 17:30:50 +0200 Message-Id: <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:15 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: martin rudalics , 60252@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 09:54:15 -0500 > > > Stefan, any suggestions for more backward compatibility? > > We can presumably try and do a better job in the completion table. > I can't work on it now, tho, Thanks. I'm actually wondering why Martin considers this a backward incompatibility. set-face-a cannot be uniquely completed to a single function name, since there are 3 completion candidates. So it sounds like the Emacs 28 behavior was actually a bug, which is now fixed? 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Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:48:15 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2022 17:30:50 +0200") Message-ID: References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:48:13 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP AWL -0.453 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: address BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I'm actually wondering why Martin considers this a backward > incompatibility. set-face-a cannot be uniquely completed to a single > function name, since there are 3 completion candidates. But it can be completed to a string which is an exact match. > So it sounds like the Emacs 28 behavior was actually a bug, Whether it was the right behavior or not can be argued, but that's how "must match" has behaved for many many years (probably at least since Emacs-19), AFAIK. > which is now fixed? We may as well revert that part of my patch. Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 22 11:53:30 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2022 16:53:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36084 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8Op0-0000ng-Au for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:53:30 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8Oox-0000nP-Ss for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:53:28 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8Oos-00083X-3J; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:53:22 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=jVJvIPthsdB/v/tmrwEXaiB860AN6fO/eKp0+Bak9qE=; b=SY6sVhykifwd jT/zFOpufGpUg8DCUD6ZQzggHa7YCfVe67Ry+kArtQmdezURAuBOiLf5EWQuAgeXl8bgd0BtimRoJ 73Cg2pNvEzf8E2DS2bj6wXZ/Ohc8QK0/VF1ofbPIgVV8lGB6uwNOdLsU5r32TMKUL0mvjo+P3bdxn HADX+/T3tcjFSCMPy1ySEqWIZL3MLILPJ+qO94sMic7hMpEMdEHS9xqMm7d1t9pYj9A9uAdmvWWaX kvfFNL+Gw9ltfO5uG1NFta9dHFM3k63aUeeQG8dVd6E7dJE9uFZ5sgYeKFod+/yb35XfUcjsV8Vha pd9fv+Udi25a7/3s8vsAhg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8Oor-0002tU-Ez; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:53:21 -0500 Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 18:53:06 +0200 Message-Id: <83mt7f8jnx.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:48:13 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 11:48:13 -0500 > > > I'm actually wondering why Martin considers this a backward > > incompatibility. set-face-a cannot be uniquely completed to a single > > function name, since there are 3 completion candidates. > > But it can be completed to a string which is an exact match. > > > So it sounds like the Emacs 28 behavior was actually a bug, > > Whether it was the right behavior or not can be argued, but that's how > "must match" has behaved for many many years (probably at least since > Emacs-19), AFAIK. I meant a behavioral bug, not that the code didn't do what it was told to do. > > which is now fixed? > > We may as well revert that part of my patch. I don't think that would be TRT. Emacs behaves like that in other places, so why this one should be different? Such inconsistency can confusing. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 22 16:14:20 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2022 21:14:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36320 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8StQ-0005tM-B1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:20 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:65084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8StP-0005tG-0Q for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:19 -0500 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4858810016E; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 4C8141000E8; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1671743647; bh=T+JyQjBqy1je8ly9e3ua88uDeR4Y3BUf1qqEwMQ+Qs4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=T1XhkmSI8GkPhTq2sYOggGPrch7DeEYRQa4/Ykd1zR6jT5azwAMtMqkn0tClzHOck /3xiOgvScU43oYxXl6z2e/D9TMcSQvVSsWdXAF2c2qhH+r6VDaf7trV3PF2ftmBb9J clUZ7HlMKjpqakQLYT/eXIrhV5OGYuzKZNevIpIeVYACU/Z3yiTa/N8Hiq5oNO/SJi ZOKiSigrpKoFUeaMUWdP61bOlhO+Q4ol+/IlTGkYizfucu/FWu29mAvATjHX9D9gGZ E/onXpEk5Yge4fsRY2Gc8IGJxXFWc9d6FgFHzjXTBrYctxkcVdlZM1lTNMNZL5W+fg W9KdEURhmnb1g== Received: from alfajor (modemcable086.15-20-96.mc.videotron.ca [96.20.15.86]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1219712019B; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:07 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <83mt7f8jnx.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2022 18:53:06 +0200") Message-ID: References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt7f8jnx.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:04 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: 0 ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> We may as well revert that part of my patch. > I don't think that would be TRT. Emacs behaves like that in other > places, so why this one should be different? Such inconsistency can > confusing. It's quite unusual to ask for the `describe-function` of a symbol that's not defined as a function and it won't give you very much info. Or maybe the use of `confirm` should depend of (and help-enable-autoload (not help-enable-completion-autoload))? Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 22 16:32:53 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Dec 2022 21:32:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36336 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8TBN-00063z-K1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:32:53 -0500 Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:41454) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8TBM-00063t-1h for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:32:52 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1671744770; bh=9+LeIQ+jpXQfIrfJ3Hg+vHgeCmiDfcmB+PeuYea+RV4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=RdC+lnOfYhEBfYQAFCJhiuP3wtXJSN4xAFTqCyLetMrChdtT+RYxeX20uNyCOgPNE JkbrdKnPYMvUp0+pytd4H/36sqrmubJWh/3vmzlKXDI+NGmoOjHqDyaIWiBuQR8951 ki7w1RRK1mUhVE64/uhkGx8M9HQONfSdxVMZsPvlQCdsqXF5JnjwrsyYMx5tCCp8tf Kh+Cf4dhaer8z3WrrkbH9iJXdMKPaGxbAAzqiJ/2XM2b9ENpLgMOg7WsmJVHOXfGcF 0HDWPLlTzuCVNOBWTnwX9qFt9xDUunN7/NpkxXnBnIxy+evQ1XCJU5ZyG1//pD7gSW 5P/IfO1LL5F5w== Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 21:32:50 +0000 From: Gregory Heytings To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> Message-ID: <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="GlrXMcrgNR" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --GlrXMcrgNR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > With Emacs 28 when I type > > C-h f RET set-face-a RET > > I get a help window on =E2=80=98set-face-attribute=E2=80=99. 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23 Dec 2022 07:05:05 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36737 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8c76-0003sQ-PR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:05:05 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:35039) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8c75-0003ry-0E for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:05:03 -0500 Received: (Authenticated sender: juri@linkov.net) by mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3C82B240006; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:04:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov To: Drew Adams Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 22 Dec 2022 23:25:05 +0000") Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:02:04 +0200 Message-ID: <861qoqfwpj.fsf@mail.linkov.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/30.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: martin rudalics , Gregory Heytings , "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> I suggest >> >> (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer- >> force-complete-and-exit) > > Why? > > Needing to do that is something new. The binding has > been `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' since Day One. I tried to check the function bound to RET in the minibuffer, but in Emacs 29 typing 'C-h f C-h k RET' raises an error: Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument consp nil) event--posn-at-point() event-end(13) help--analyze-key("\15" [return] nil) #f(compiled-function (x) #)(("\15" . [return])) mapcar(#f(compiled-function (x) #) (("\15" . [return]))) describe-key((("\15" . [return]))) funcall-interactively(describe-key (("\15" . 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The "ask for confirmation" behavior is better, in that it prevents inadvertent errors that are annoying to fix. People who prevent speed, and are sure they will never be tripped by the above, can always make the above customization in their init files. But there's no need to force this on everyone. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 02:27:08 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 07:27:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cSS-00043Q-F5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:27:08 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40718) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cSR-00043J-4F for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:27:07 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cSJ-00011P-9B; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:27:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Psrm1vG6UjvfS4bADMrFKtry9MdRw597r81ghM9vouk=; b=ERf/bixabnTl kctl/RJ60S/7dG2Q3PcI9Nq878OZOhJu/QdHdY3Uxr+JnJwjwaxZ6DIONkhuTvT2eIJb2X4jR77qF LUtPAT1rWuc62ZIx5aHUp0N/UXrArUCImZPyYbPBGmf+wS+tIF4gDuwfgychoAfiOZui7lp+BGMRh VIya+CzqFmPUiPG6rnCkM/IkkZYMFppGZHK5qDJvPJvuvDahOOCjjmKbdB/QKtO+0SFYa30V6/fqR gVFuJOscTkjX5ICeSNbdWd3WMa0TaDdzrkPnFymCE4AXbNKih6RG8yiJNaIJMeIffikCoApBdxwmW UQ0KTZ5ovYxwmId1oFahzw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cSD-0002Hs-0U; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:26:56 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:26:41 +0200 Message-Id: <83cz8a8tse.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:04 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <83sfh7909r.fsf@gnu.org> <83o7rv8nh1.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt7f8jnx.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 16:14:04 -0500 > > >> We may as well revert that part of my patch. > > I don't think that would be TRT. Emacs behaves like that in other > > places, so why this one should be different? Such inconsistency can > > confusing. > > It's quite unusual to ask for the `describe-function` of a symbol that's > not defined as a function and it won't give you very much info. I'm afraid of use cases where the user didn't know whether a function is or isn't defined. Human memory isn't perfect. I frequently forget whether the function is buffer-process or get-buffer-process, for example. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 02:33:17 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 07:33:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36767 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cYP-00047c-Ku for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:33:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cYN-00047U-JL for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:33:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cYH-0004jZ-TM; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:33:09 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=l6jAc93l0XC8Q72+iBWL2wGOUx+vejyJwU/Zjzj6Sl4=; b=W6xJxEHH/jMr O36ZTA7fZHb5f78cMuF2VFyfUeAyLEv9t/GlPcDVxf0wCyjByChnobydnUprVVVKbiqa0xLjJm/B9 B/0ISFgKGSsDBH01fiBdDdMb53ci5BttYZ7x9buE6w9y3cktzhdz/SDc1tlZyPFDj+rblkCNA/0Dl Ou5SwOE9qjNQy2DmAtSJ6qW5RYY02x7DqhLMSgCxJA5zr1lhFlmvb+hKr3pUeEFeEHtMCm1G2nJBd 7oR7upbGYCI3ikPZbRuCxcis3Z+FjacLAI9QhEKLKjYV8LDkJZXNfmJS4/JDW0eAXSGoBIh4ffnpy 8dSRhoJA2nuyKE0/kipVpg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8cYH-0008Od-9J; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 02:33:09 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:32:57 +0200 Message-Id: <83a63e8thy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 22 Dec 2022 23:25:05 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, gregory@heytings.org, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> > From: Drew Adams > Date: Thu, 22 Dec 2022 23:25:05 +0000 > > > I suggest > > > > (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer- > > force-complete-and-exit) > > Why? > > Needing to do that is something new. The binding has > been `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' since Day One. It still does, so I'm not sure what is your point here. Did you follow this discussion from the beginning and understand what are the main issues being discussed here? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 03:33:18 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 08:33:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36834 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8dUT-0004hh-Pt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 03:33:18 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.21]:41221) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8dUS-0004hb-AX for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 03:33:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.at; s=s31663417; t=1671784390; bh=ldy5UHLMOgxju/RdQyQ9d/QdbASNOBjjcrB0ZT531I0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=aAu5Ls1/isvzhcm7GuaOICOfX1O/Q8aDnmo9uIukKOpJWk8unagE+p81N+Gwqmo4L PSB7BlbZUQJnt/WASoPFtMIn+ZX9mATTHy+iPYqqK7mGpIhH+sjbKAjmqvb1gNMhdR DZ63+YaoT+VutO8CnQ1aIHqMEaPzCPaoBuCyx14msaAU6kA/Oont/nLSFfMbYGa46D PFerfnt9GTZhaAKjgOk89aXIfJG4ACQZCEZz3fk0C88KFtOGAI8n10la9RnDAF8LYR +Sj0wPwffl5WWLCk66hjCi4m26hjnmBV3LuD8pKU/m8tUChb26CpidOA/KoHs9IaI/ 5J69c3d+0TX7w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([212.95.5.216]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1Mxm3K-1oxAqp44nG-00zDhy; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:33:10 +0100 Message-ID: <5485eb91-9ad0-b5ad-2171-2d8e0b11e443@gmx.at> Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 09:33:05 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation Content-Language: en-US To: Gregory Heytings References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> From: martin rudalics In-Reply-To: <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NsECJ/uOyn2tiM2pnFpM4gpXVXVxN5cwuTjtmzey31saYdd0mH/ ImIJow+8s1Tk3UGoqZIhMK1TmxOXpEYvIPIquXvFPj9lYjdkFrcIZBSLj+2PfCp+Fqz21a4 6LoZ9XPoZek1eUqeQI8NJ9gjxjOYINNgE2x8nxWRCX8koyTOncs39rrCdGYzwGT+vgqrZ/R 3/ho1DHnjOMJk6APsfulw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:2E350Kp/Zxw=;jDj5AgS4SHRazuql0fj4lZJvbMl 6fVcKmv2bYLL0Ksb13yy3iuHGQUmAaQSegsA3YHIhMYEGBFIlORp6hfKz9dZ9Cz2aH8RWWB5Q 2ZsphvpcF6TflVDh2tqAw/gp2rp53DzDVBda61UuYb1LWa7GPPbf16S3D+piCjd5DkAp41OVE rP39Flqae/3VOedbIzjrrA2ovVNIXGx4JtuK13Q8sS17J5Knp+/edcnREO3NJtvKYVciiQ6wb vd8Y9h7tanOS4SDmxyFu2M1kKkNlxNvfShOxlwzOt0WJqBr27/t03xJQfQQztghimM/2yvWGf tT2FCClyWVTfvmdhVysA6MAKOjRAQg26v+WVql4HhrL09LUcEiYOTjIwWHfa1Eq9aXSwFwfJe c8P1+zsFpZrUql6K0XejucUrz0plA2+SjewGznIFd31Oh8fWSkH15OIY6Fzct6HkQZyfkbsiT nbMAqqX7yDysEAvmw3cI7R+mGHzLfKf9X0eRYQeETXRyp/z14MIe532IVuHDOS5Ws7CY4Ib8n 0YqV2AK3iQMUDCnPzhR5n6YLyrBmruMzKJZ+X8GX/1nsXV98vcsap20yVzB7ocTyAjzw88/M4 LnUHIMwpSH1ymmbh6hXaCMw39cx/Bs57FCgC1l8QVpyZMdgzE6yEh9+AsNHZ6SUJAK1A60vhQ Nkh1KjekRxM7Ml2KDGUrBzYCqNiG4bpA3JVCnboKR3kRpUOXoECjsGfiuCOFokl6avUffRPgk 9KjDaKL+LVaGzoE2uAIAZEnxUSe7Gi0tJ8Vs587O+b3MmBIDXyERGfNtlJR+xRc/sMUS4ec9g tdSJcqKXKRkzdO75qsIKsSGQP8NOJGhmUx1ULbMpl61K/VQjUD5Tw5HT80ksdKmbS4id8E6QH s6+HQ5qCTkVSKcizVYWgNUjuqKRGn0d0QITLglivJtnwUk6uhmSIhaasBNgrdh9XgZmGPuy/D 6Zo+59EvEIu0MTuPR3sPgNUvyu8= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > I suggest > > (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) Thanks, Gregory. That would fix the use case I described but the cure is much worse than the disease: Whenever I'd wanted to run some sort of M-x foo I would get a pause, have the string [Sole Completion] appear in the minibuffer and only then get foo executed. Here I added the old specification to my changes to stash and am happily done. I would have preferred to see changes like this announced in NEWS (or at least a short remark in the commit) so I would have spent less time to find out what caused it, but if it's just a bug that had to be fixed routinely, there's probably no need for that. Thanks again, martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 06:19:38 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 11:19:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8g5S-0000O1-Ln for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:19:38 -0500 Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:42180) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8g5R-0000Nt-Bu for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:19:37 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1671794375; bh=5lRYEe4UIn99efzckS9DFqMmkNyA3MctJcB4B8s9Jk4=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=fcvPd9p78zNQVZjHeUAeS1yr00/sGBhcJU/+2cggsjj3oGClQ36QbexCkrWG4f4nz OjSmQN74J+JDNzmudKC41IcBuweHcEkxese3ZqK4OUWm3Qb8Z2fOg0UJTUdW045hy5 s9lsWb1JcJ/uSg4zxVjMqEnnEsEJeDTRXogL1PQ/O/IUGdmuBC6Bph1N8OuKL5gBKB eu8Z5RM20bBCQPdpqsN8C+y5WtaISgRC/ZUvu3lAOjszZH3kM7+EcShsIHGSzoPolT 6Fap+hGW4MS/dyKINLzp09gsEPnPVsNSeG3CuJy3SoHafS/NYzsC46Vz3xagQBivHr KOGslnjNCBIhw== Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:19:35 +0000 From: Gregory Heytings To: martin rudalics Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <5485eb91-9ad0-b5ad-2171-2d8e0b11e443@gmx.at> Message-ID: References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <5485eb91-9ad0-b5ad-2171-2d8e0b11e443@gmx.at> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) > > Thanks, Gregory. That would fix the use case I described but the cure > is much worse than the disease: Whenever I'd wanted to run some sort of > M-x foo I would get a pause, have the string [Sole Completion] appear in > the minibuffer and only then get foo executed. > You're welcome! You can change that by customizing minibuffer-message-timeout and/or completion-show-inline-help. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 06:22:02 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 11:22:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8g7m-0000Pt-2R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:22:02 -0500 Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:42190) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8g7j-0000Ph-R6 for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 06:22:00 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1671794519; bh=UqchM8KnvBbIjwGubmKoSbc5Viw3xIEMiHA4ue5ShKo=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=lwWArXiQNPQHHk4KZvS58aDU3VIKYbKBLVr1/pwq9LIgHFKXRt1m9GW/djE8224AM nWbI0Zo6W+46PYKJgOLuvwSxPqWt4MBy7hXA/KLz7naet7avddVAi7JNr3PLPSwuqn rnT6nkC+hRyc9zYSdGetN7MQxyLbJr0u9cjHQPi4npYnI+tNeLaN0iaFMgMjoH4PPh Ac9pbxJqYDtFdSrA3GEbzGW2O7udQZqHfY5ZP7BAfCedhaE/PhF7wUQlWfW50cCZ2J 6hlpBdOr2ceGllgFeQRvOeFw5hw8eFwBg+W3abFDP1xK12n/KDwRylpaupXEAXsma7 10dlcxYCp/McQ== Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:21:58 +0000 From: Gregory Heytings To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation In-Reply-To: <83edsq8tvd.fsf@gnu.org> Message-ID: References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <83edsq8tvd.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> I suggest >> >> (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) > > People who prefer speed, and are sure they will never be tripped by the > above, can always make the above customization in their init files. > But there's no need to force this on everyone. > Of course I did not suggest to force this on everyone, it was a suggestion for Martin who asked "some way to get the old behavior back". 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 07:39:40 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 12:39:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37090 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8hKt-0003pq-SM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:39:40 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51384) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8hKs-0003pg-Go for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:39:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8hKm-0004h3-P7; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:39:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=5ohHSd3ZTBgGgIs8dphpAniwa9dtAN8t7ene6f91rmY=; b=WYTXvgUuLUW3 PYTHn+j7T0+sNhfk+FDo6NCMpyo6hNNihwoyxZBQLBfirhxktByZGnlJmDGb1zDQsPabNB888Gjnr WmiHYzDAnB/jpxOhi9Ws8qL+uFX1BP7nH2Dq39wHmZsYABpfDAm9cXLdKq5DDjl/J8TtEiCcPs55b mXdEPzpdYtEMYz01Kchjs6HkBtFblOtqOef5VD1bPX7vXphqm8ntP2aPZUvRALlAWr/+YWjxMb9LR TdO9Xv0Phe0hkxBnXhJZvTwXmZWhtqq3NX6EggxX8J+pvOq59xw3mSayXOWmtMLXyTc1NRUdGre8V WEHX8+e+zqM0exJ7N/8ztA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8hKl-0003sV-UU; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 07:39:32 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:39:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83tu1m70qw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Gregory Heytings In-Reply-To: (message from Gregory Heytings on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:21:58 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <83edsq8tvd.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 11:21:58 +0000 > From: Gregory Heytings > cc: rudalics@gmx.at, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org > > >> I suggest > >> > >> (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) > > > > People who prefer speed, and are sure they will never be tripped by the > > above, can always make the above customization in their init files. > > But there's no need to force this on everyone. > > > > Of course I did not suggest to force this on everyone, it was a suggestion > for Martin who asked "some way to get the old behavior back". I'm glad we agree here. 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The binding has > > been `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' since Day One. >=20 > I tried to check the function bound to RET in the minibuffer, > but in Emacs 29 typing 'C-h f C-h k RET' raises an error: Can't help you with Emacs 29, sorry. Doesn't exist for me. To see what RET is bound to in the map you cited you can use `M-x describe-keymap minibuffer-local-must-match-map'. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: a73ae604-c4e1-46fb-69b8-08dae5055b22 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Dec 2022 16:47:19.2455 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: HxUbPQ2mID3AsmEqzB6iudTw+CHj+gQJJ/qsACdAdW4Rtcsxge4uvL0E+yYrxrGsKZAL/mIjQYIpfkXql5k3Mw== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: DM4PR10MB5989 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.205,Aquarius:18.0.923,Hydra:6.0.545,FMLib:17.11.122.1 definitions=2022-12-23_06,2022-12-23_01,2022-06-22_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=583 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2212230140 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: FvYwnqlAqElHDm9_GN-KwT8Ai4AH9dvS X-Proofpoint-GUID: FvYwnqlAqElHDm9_GN-KwT8Ai4AH9dvS X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: "rudalics@gmx.at" , "gregory@heytings.org" , "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > > I suggest > > > (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map > > > (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) > > > > Why? > > Needing to do that is something new. The binding has > > been `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' since Day One. >=20 > It still does, so I'm not sure what is your point here. Gregory suggested that different binding, when Martin asked how to "get the old behavior back". >From my understanding, "the old behavior" is that of `minibuffer-complete-and-exit'. Needing to use `minibuffer-local-must-match-map' to get "the old behavior back" sounded odd to me. But then no, I don't know what the new (Emacs 29) behavior might be. I'm not sure what your point is here. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 23 13:43:50 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Dec 2022 18:43:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8n1J-00007q-Qk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:43:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54286) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8n1H-00007i-9j for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:43:47 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8n1A-0001M2-Im; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:43:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=wOUazCz1iQEr/qeEFSRONJYMHJqHBMyn/SKALRu6WKw=; b=GkuAGDKa5pU+ 4VkHGW49Bo7QFZdxTqA8+VQEw2F9ZnD5OCcKP52ZxMcwAKr2ujbWHkY3RIWRIu5qvZSdlDXRbDUrY y3pRsDSIEVTl/V26KYTMDt4AN3tw8z5039MfVLXJIsk/v2EXZWiiMnMTBYZh51qKBTgDAwwZ6eY3U rRH4DT8j7QXHgeOsx64LDF9ObABIJ4mUo/NXkaxWTbKrwQ8yBe7gyOf/u7qLv5Y4SstEkdYH6DYCQ N5DzGSAgsLQhK8//4O5R8WJKx9jhBczq60r5PBIQy0Yxp1DogCGKA3ZS6NqBdnx2VwvzAZOc6BjBx COO+DWRlrlWTkMTmugZvGg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8n19-0004yZ-Uf; Fri, 23 Dec 2022 13:43:40 -0500 Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 20:43:35 +0200 Message-Id: <838riy6jvs.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 16:47:19 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <83a63e8thy.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, gregory@heytings.org, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "gregory@heytings.org" , > "rudalics@gmx.at" > , > "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 16:47:19 +0000 > > > > > I suggest > > > > (define-key minibuffer-local-must-match-map > > > > (kbd "RET") #'minibuffer-force-complete-and-exit) > > > > > > Why? > > > Needing to do that is something new. The binding has > > > been `minibuffer-complete-and-exit' since Day One. > > > > It still does, so I'm not sure what is your point here. > > Gregory suggested that different binding, when > Martin asked how to "get the old behavior back". > > >From my understanding, "the old behavior" is that > of `minibuffer-complete-and-exit'. Needing to use > `minibuffer-local-must-match-map' to get "the old > behavior back" sounded odd to me. But then no, I > don't know what the new (Emacs 29) behavior might be. > > I'm not sure what your point is here. The point is that the behavior of minibuffer-complete-and-exit has changed. This is what this discussion is about. 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charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SJ0PR10MB5488.namprd10.prod.outlook.com X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: f2dcda1f-a952-4ede-f9ad-08dae5269038 X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 23 Dec 2022 20:45:01.7361 (UTC) X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: qPLGwM4F3egqgcroF1P7RTbzJCXBnKcXlZuQS6XT0SmqkMuKJuuP7Fq05K+RZn62xQ4hwqKdr0Cjfed3EDMaTQ== X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: CH0PR10MB5307 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=baseguard engine=ICAP:2.0.205,Aquarius:18.0.923,Hydra:6.0.545,FMLib:17.11.122.1 definitions=2022-12-23_08,2022-12-23_01,2022-06-22_01 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=660 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2212070000 definitions=main-2212230174 X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: c3ftJIlEqX4B1wiHF18JdP1Hv5sLb6Ya X-Proofpoint-GUID: c3ftJIlEqX4B1wiHF18JdP1Hv5sLb6Ya X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: "rudalics@gmx.at" , "gregory@heytings.org" , "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > Gregory suggested that different binding, when > > Martin asked how to "get the old behavior back". > > > > From my understanding, "the old behavior" is that > > of `minibuffer-complete-and-exit'. Needing to use > > `minibuffer-local-must-match-map' to get "the old > > behavior back" sounded odd to me. But then no, I > > don't know what the new (Emacs 29) behavior might be. >=20 > The point is that the behavior of minibuffer-complete-and-exit > has changed. This is what this discussion is about. It sounded to me, from Martin's posts, like the change in behavior might not be so great (so far), or perhaps it isn't backward-compatible (so far). He said, and I agree, that in Emacs 28 (and all the way back to Day One - at least through Emacs 20), that `C-h f set-face-a RET' immediately gives you *Help*. Martin said that in Emacs 29 it no longer does that. Whether * the command bound to `RET' is no longer=20 `minibuffer-complete-and-exit', but is something that behaves differently, or * the command bound to `RET' is still `minibuffer-complete-and-exit', but that command now behaves differently, the effect is that the behavior is now different. Why? Why change the standard behavior after 40+ years? Why should users have to find "some way to get the old behavior back"? Why not provide a new command for the new behavior, and let users opt _in_ by binding that, if they want to, in place of `minibuffer-complete-and-exit'? Why make users opt _out_ to get the same behavior they've enjoyed for decades? And if it's the command itself that has a new behavior, what about 3rd-party code that expects it to have the same, longstanding behavior? And no, I don't see - in this bug thread - any discussion or description of the behavior change (beyond what Martin reported). In particular, I see no "why". Is there perhaps such a discussion in emacs-devel, which you would please point to? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 01:44:02 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2022 06:44:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41195 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8yGI-00022E-56 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 01:44:02 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37000) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p8yGG-00021v-Bd for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 01:44:00 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8yG8-0002SB-TG; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 01:43:54 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=kIoqt1hxigqOTI45k1mJ0fpsnHIsWCoS86iISkw5pvs=; b=L++Yfq1G6i5y seiQBwlYXpwdxkdtB/ORR24dp4LoCfjMlbkOKE80cmr0cxRO7LR0oTu1LM4tHfajW7Gs3zWiiCgnw 9fajCh+GGJeirfkCkFkLgtNBGf5tCIsBFCyX0F5MRkqlb8INkbXPNXeA757g+sewXQdbhhP12S3L1 LPE8o06uS5Za56jNzYhEL0KlgMsu7UwAMx4yNt613omdiessF2nQvIF0m8Wtdt9DhdQV0GoNBBJWO onQFa0KV4UV7k4CavxviZ72ytgqDPX0c420fl3pl9DKbCtA3OlCoZqH2pJsJBRkLu2pEPnYMB5TeU l+tUMChMv4ID86xPOnP0pw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p8yG7-0006Rp-LC; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 01:43:52 -0500 Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 08:43:49 +0200 Message-Id: <834jtl713u.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Drew Adams In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Fri, 23 Dec 2022 20:45:01 +0000) Subject: Re: [External] : Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <83a63e8thy.fsf@gnu.org> <838riy6jvs.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: rudalics@gmx.at, gregory@heytings.org, 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "gregory@heytings.org" , > "rudalics@gmx.at" > , > "60252@debbugs.gnu.org" <60252@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Fri, 23 Dec 2022 20:45:01 +0000 > > Why? Why change the standard behavior after 40+ > years? Why should users have to find "some way to > get the old behavior back"? The reason is explained in the change log (and now also in NEWS). > Why not provide a new command for the new behavior, > and let users opt _in_ by binding that, if they > want to, in place of `minibuffer-complete-and-exit'? > Why make users opt _out_ to get the same behavior > they've enjoyed for decades? Because I think the previous behavior was a minor bug, and the new one is better. > And if it's the command itself that has a new > behavior, what about 3rd-party code that expects > it to have the same, longstanding behavior? The behavior here is only visible to users, not to 3rd-party code. This is interactive behavior, and various other commands already behave like that, have been behaving like that for ages. > And no, I don't see - in this bug thread - any > discussion or description of the behavior change > (beyond what Martin reported). In particular, I > see no "why". Is there perhaps such a discussion > in emacs-devel, which you would please point to? There's no discussion of why, but whether this behavior is better than the old one. That is the only thing that is on the table. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 03:38:16 2022 Received: (at 60252) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2022 08:38:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41734 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p902q-0003QE-8E for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 03:38:16 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:40143) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p902n-0003Q6-CL for 60252@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 03:38:14 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.at; s=s31663417; t=1671871087; bh=kAajqaic715HgTyWdvoRHiaG6EOmtMFAmJPqFfaBG4I=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=HBvAJK4TuQ8XsA0+DfYkR/PGlSbqXzCEsVQo5lQoyXZHCxppV78BB4hWecIgdBMup om9xDX8FWOwZ3YxRl7GckGTiNpJynzRlVJ1LEfnYfwLpZhLIuV3GWtHmgjoFhg6Z1Z VNUqa2QDCwQe1WfQW62BS0MJLVCPO52i2VL0TPBGLuzWYg/BqWKXtmpw8dkB8bcu8C 4/Z1QagCz6FZ9O5Dh0ckG/VwJv/ZGGBgHDtwrvcnHyCi6jybd/1oVHlnGHtLhZqh9y iSQrl7LzRQxYKUPx7LI7jr4CMFrNFA1gvFghYyBoxSQBKZ0R/3fYPw58COeHjE1yRT /Xa77JV42HFtA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([212.95.5.198]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MqJqD-1oUwBx3lfX-00nUZ5; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:38:07 +0100 Message-ID: <44300649-9394-bc7f-9e1a-8a33770e2a3e@gmx.at> Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:38:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation Content-Language: en-US To: Gregory Heytings References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <5485eb91-9ad0-b5ad-2171-2d8e0b11e443@gmx.at> From: martin rudalics In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:tTxyTdP8FotZxD/yxGcKj9wWxtsD1PeihUxETLYsoHuKVusDLZq KUokRWAT/ciua/k/m8s/R5Lyjthsx/Iv+7S/Xvw+criaoKBxMVCCxqEceLD+Asx2Hpl3rTu a4YZRfCmuLAecRMVWkp9BlJMSeuqQVhSPiTZsLj+fF8Yu/iMhdfKB7FLj59zMA0GJ2Cy+Se oaQ8EPpkoFK8/FLQavgUw== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:RB1hrbnkjao=;/VxGIbSzZOKV2HS9PaevpxUZpBm EWKimLRPWxh55DqHxSxCVxMWCaVlWFE7ivG5IWYwhFquc7+mnk/bhWgXrlNk7Ic89mScDOv6p daUe3uuC2S+g5LZ5o4LhnmxJte/1t91R2+yihZFTh9MXZv8dNe/pzrFPdLN3UpefdP37gqvlx sDdcKBbQin1rxoSPULFCFNyWIz4b7hmak7MkQNocrj9Hfyg/nyF9J6eM4ExWiJmlzXNjBGQZK guKxXfuc+i8rV6MAN1fKpdNt1sHa0QAgiDrq71fkgFWa17t1vpKen9uKSQ/UWjmpHd8ZHPj/U jncu8x9E0bH1AFaf4AEYY6O8R6K5+rr5aLqE4K3qpGYO7Z24rbr8TiLGfiqpxEcp4Q2da6oHI gkHOyt8PmcnZ0c13tpOZfI3MHg/ILxcGDXjIEDKYvchLedY11pDJ+/lQtyaDX7CmaOoe/aU27 UN0CWQxClsVU6lbPNYiJcWuJSS3QwPeR7U+yIdyGsZtZ8V3DOsxFl9mfqklqbo3NAqWAaFRQ5 JY/58xWfM0s2DGGNmE4HGkE/B+IytJdDKW/l8sBs0PIqBv7mpHN8U7BulkgtxtE3KctqeDMgo kSM/xOoy+coKTgDtCxsnLevFdA+1QbnlAVC2ymlWcft7vDBUayo3w1+GEwGl+BaphcczpUq2g dB0fGlrJz+8gTHeK1B855Wv9bVLXl4/8qVvthmi5cOS9sAiD5j7yiOj3NYOZZYv/up4//PMp4 UX40kYDyCkQGVtxjtaldUdItuqk0q/Hy3aeH4qODrO8ho6+MlVK283WhrIsVsCu5/RcKCJxjE kzhwbboUtaKkeb7qHJ30m0cQL23u8YLkJRSg2AFJPqdww6ZDG0+ocGSvIVsVAmPaQomgmtFML sOAVUOoE5DBZ1Ac90XLxTIzN9aBNMbCL7oXbA7G2aPvg3S5ozm6G37USimPclHjbfagaPJC7q LqUCUxjJGq+Gek0xSLxMK7a6hpQ= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252 Cc: 60252@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > You can change that by customizing minibuffer-message-timeout That's probably not really what I would want - I'd lose the ability to see asynchronous messages while the minibuffer is active. Right? > and/or completion-show-inline-help. This might be better but apparently doesn't even have a manual entry. I'm afraid all this is way above my head. martin From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 24 03:38:31 2022 Received: (at 60252-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Dec 2022 08:38:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41738 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p9035-0003QT-HC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 03:38:31 -0500 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:58023) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p9033-0003QL-4f for 60252-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 03:38:29 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.at; s=s31663417; t=1671871103; bh=+Dbxyt7D/gA4K2xMbObsJ5pa5TaAe5WnYIEHpCCCeM4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Date:Subject:To:Cc:References:From:In-Reply-To; b=o0CsL/eZkVUIVi5/IVnxb5M1PXJKHv1PxGlIldfbS3ZtsSB+sseW7o6u5MrqLsOk4 mRHKsQ/vSg/BuSf8SmS17FI9kG7V/JM0YvZ08/IP4p+NpTJneV85ShSDudolb7aqcF d+kC414GfumliQOHca2vmPz4MiKsFGB2ENkW1N+3G7DJE6eqS6QN3+wAUWg5D9kdpQ 4+LhqX9c1E3W0YoNFeo8rh9I6p1fYw/jRgfTEg4N462VTXWkeUXmngZe4Sc3wcBbMq lcFRKEIZo7J1vDw6mZswY/9m/zl6n7t08Vi/1591vtxRJNIiyUHz+Zw25fv3ulgD09 btIGH0mGBG6eA== X-UI-Sender-Class: 724b4f7f-cbec-4199-ad4e-598c01a50d3a Received: from [192.168.1.102] ([212.95.5.198]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MxDkw-1oxuEx1HZY-00xXsA; Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:38:23 +0100 Message-ID: Date: Sat, 24 Dec 2022 09:38:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: bug#60252: 29.0.60; help-fns--describe-function-or-command-prompt asks for confirmation Content-Language: en-US To: Eli Zaretskii References: <6971735f-b849-a76e-9a86-a99b68444e99@gmx.at> <86f81b9e45a3d6576082@heytings.org> <5485eb91-9ad0-b5ad-2171-2d8e0b11e443@gmx.at> <83v8m273rd.fsf@gnu.org> From: martin rudalics In-Reply-To: <83v8m273rd.fsf@gnu.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:0Sow7qMr7KkKu0K5a5ekg+ffvfOk62XI3dkQexUOu+8d65Lkd0U gBs7ewDOboHdDnq4KvefvdFKUHFRok420eWlut433HYcRk0RjesgHaJ6h2fDm/KYt6cFLUM x973avbaHsbM0tRcTRk1Jr2FlISturQCeblEaC5Q6s+nwcJvqyIMzaWpBtFN62dS5c/AIBm GO1aJoFCs73m0SE2tvAQg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:vZ/QC1SudFs=;L1Kn6x2/YLXUvm+8xRwNfC7VX0G kO5BW/IC7hEl536qTmPZ2Qy70euzCPFChqvJd55PZMQg+zPAftnE9hPhNTD/BuVmLelFP89mB 9j7GEED785GPYGYFclx24dry/WU7WIsJ7DjeuAAKAcOrEVXJMlF7TbCJ3L1kqDr2peRcOKx2Z u2oOOmVhR7GZ27T88iu/o6hODrsqyJhXPY2XiF+hypRf0fvJLD9rTgaDzMYcy5gonlg9dXBlm EJ3JMhYtpL6t1UGOItD9aYWiFYXhfx1OGQvlfK4hTHdvUFrVpo2wGCszvNcARZBfb996CS0fh 9T/j//wZEBu6VP5hf7um9bEijK5SKs6/5sCJPDVI8WKPt5B1iSzsrNVW/jZ/T/O81B/agklSF ZXKULQ6sWEx627KKAhl8JDwyCDzJg0T4r8NfHo78tYdGyPDckyBQxMCdyB8Dz88u2G3p/NVXE NIZol2XbMhf87+whY8oNX82lQToCDvqWkP7c5SEl+FTg7pUdY1d4+jJhc0qJVeV6zjSayRQuq CvhOw0kmkDuC7MlrVVO+3KlgGT3iprdLDz+y2aQBloXYrHFNbxVmkc4Bo7jK6l++M0Am40aWe 1nxZuizeULzDiUXyCQgimThe/hr/ewQLLdVEfEfRnhPUtNKt5J9+YC1dmXKDHXh1Gv9u8AwFv Mf9iQO04EKceTYL/dXKtPp25Svu/DdOwo5KKV4Qocgq3oembQJG/DbkoTZWNmKQuowQcU8sV2 5NTteiSmP+y+JFq7/EEYQNME+7603s4oyhDI875Z7NnOJOjr5g+scJLYnf2XZtfAZGe0LkBfu YQ+NnKJOpPCMGDo82zlDiqOgbaU/+L8GINCGct5TB4BbjPuTmi60dxKBlk4GdrXZSfdu8Wf0y ZceASyRSEGPvEDsBdOHhu9PGNvvVxNyHqpCvPSVPk5U4NOs07nHdXCb9qur5jaMMrv5GFNcgS gcKIt1fne+QmF6jIHlFLhEImvR0= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60252-done Cc: gregory@heytings.org, 60252-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> I would have preferred to see changes like this announced in NEWS > > Now done. Thanks. Closing this bug. martin From unknown Sat Jun 21 12:18:14 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2023 12:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator