From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:38:51 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#60085: 30.0.50; `help-enable-autoload' is not fully obeyed Resent-From: Ihor Radchenko Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: monnier@iro.umontreal.ca, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 60085 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 60085@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Stefan Monnier X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Xcc: Stefan Monnier Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.16710947151059 (code B ref -1); Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:59:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Dec 2022 08:58:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42549 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k4Z-0000H1-3D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 03:58:35 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53876) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k4X-0000Gt-3C for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 03:58:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k4W-0007u3-Kq for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 03:58:32 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5k4U-0000g9-GZ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 03:58:32 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 67579240104 for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 09:58:25 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1671094708; bh=XhSY9tS8PJGXH+S/G/wBJDcN0ZIcgiQMHC+sf885y2A=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=YdqR8xGWyLPkaqTxndC3Fvafq3S3fIqdn4QwOrJ8u3Il4Ci+sxFw9JxodEouwJMzu a7ZM5iT2E1Kh0Qg3icwrFJc7o4khgO7GFsDpsIY9tVb2OpNKq4AGFEUcl0yDzyw+Fq hTJbZPlTOzkg5+58zkpbrmy1h258waG/Dh1djmDJbV2TFETDaX1oPt53WQb5vlE+6E if9tksf6guMpe2MYglavSfhq6vFxbcEGRieFF6JGD9G0g2tEQzYeWSlC0drM0SW+7z FDoxMrUAdzwUYBmJnEEFY7eY8k0aoNf8kX8LyIseub4Sgs6hc4Im3NLWR+eaz7ub2d Dfc8/Ebw7Omjw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NXmNd23g8z9rxK for ; Thu, 15 Dec 2022 09:58:25 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 08:58:23 +0000 Message-ID: <87sfhhujps.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hi, This bug report is a follow-up from https://orgmode.org/list/jwvfsdi6or0.fsf-monnier+emacs@gnu.org where Stefan stated the following: > > Like I said in another message that I sent just before receiving yours > > my conclusion came from the fact that hitting 'C-h v' with the cursor > > on 'org-goto-interface' provided nothing. It was the first time this > > ever happened to me. I did try to explicitly enter the variable's > > name by entering 'org-goto', which (like 'org-go') is not > > enough: it is completed to 'org--goto'. > > AFAICT this is a missing feature: we obey `help-enable-autoload` in > `describe-function` but we fail to do the same autoloading dance in > `describe-variable`. Recipe 1: 1. emacs -Q 2. Type "debug-on-error" 3. C-h v 4. Observe "Describe variable (default debug-on-error): " 5. C-g 6. org-mouse-map (note that org-mouse.el is not auto-loaded) 7. C-h v 8. Observe "Describe variable: " Expected: "Describe variable (default org-mouse-map): " Recipe 2: 1. emacs -Q 2. Type C-h v org-go 3. Observe "Describe variable: org--goto" 4. C-g 5. M-: (require 'org-goto) 6. C-h v org-go 7. Observe "Describe variable: org-goto-" 7 is expected at 3. 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[5.44.169.188]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id w20-20020a194914000000b004b40f2e25d3sm1185728lfa.122.2022.12.15.07.04.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 15 Dec 2022 07:04:42 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <06e5f314-41cc-cecf-24e8-75d52174cb26@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2022 22:04:40 +0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.4.2 Content-Language: en-US References: <87sfhhujps.fsf@localhost> From: Max Nikulin In-Reply-To: <87sfhhujps.fsf@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::133; envelope-from=manikulin@gmail.com; helo=mail-lf1-x133.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, NICE_REPLY_A=-0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) On 15/12/2022 15:58, Ihor Radchenko wrote: > 2. Type C-h v org-go > 3. Observe "Describe variable: org--goto" Notice that C-h v org-goto- TAB TAB offers completion to org-goto-interface since such string causes org-goto autoload. Please, consider registered autoload prefixes as candidates for completion org-go -> org-goto-. It would be great to share similar completion-related code in `describe-variable' and in `customize-variable'.