From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 12 17:14:56 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2022 22:14:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55725 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4r4Z-0004qB-KM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:14:56 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4lTB-0000LJ-CR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4lT7-0004fL-W5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:15:57 -0500 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4lT3-0006qo-2h for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 11:15:51 -0500 Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87CE3FA03CA for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 16:15:43 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1670861743; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:Sender; bh=0h+CfDq85xdYJRX+06KQNNynvdh5TPGWeh2J0pchF9w=; b=yUh5XOG5xK7N/6wcab3vbjNl+uOFGGbUmttbkRPyHgNtBkJnMnT6FDULJGdvs0MH mI1y5AvxD/agrow2pXfuQm+YMq1AD1bTIvXaGfLwiXq+rk29dF+P4VYiY9t54Qm5876 SywJGSZVbngNCyjnIzvLsSojCF9QNgwVQvp+iGXkcN5koBEgyNw57+jnNDRMVvscpbg cYuBvrTOrvzpKsZiHKFWrUc7KO70R/FJiWqpV2vzdJYwBDbH5fU4hQ4SvyKPFTfPjDU 4Ni7IbxtMWpX/+2re2KRAgLSMc5ftj6FBszMGgJaHRMlH9lOuUxcBDX6GfurBOeuUoq 4jkUqN/3kg== Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:15:43 +0100 (CET) From: flashymittens@tutanota.com To: Bug Gnu Emacs Message-ID: Subject: [wishlist] cyrillic-chuvash input method MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_238973_1226296426.1670861743552" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=81.3.6.162; envelope-from=flashymittens@tutanota.com; helo=w1.tutanota.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:14:54 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) ------=_Part_238973_1226296426.1670861743552 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please include a Chuvash (CV) input method (the one attached or something s= imilar) in Emacs. I've created it based on "russian-computer" input method.= I use it in my init.el and it is working, though I'm new to Emacs and some= what unsure where and how it should properly be placed (inside other cyrill= ic ones, likely). It is almost all cyrillic, however =C3=87=C3=A7 characters are Latin (lett= er c with cedilla), because there is actually no cyrillic =D0=A1 with a ced= illa in Unicode. There are =D2=AA=D2=AB (cyrillic letter es with descender)= , however they are unreliable as they often look wrong in practice: =E2=80=A2 Bashkir, Chuvash =E2=80=A2 letterforms with right hooks are preferred, although occasional v= ariants with left hooks occur =E2=80=A2 in Chuvashia, letterforms identical to or similar in form to 00E7= =C3=A7 regularly occur (from Unicode PDF on Cyrillic range) Maybe it's simply a misnomer and half the world got it wrong, or not. I hav= e no idea. ------=_Part_238973_1226296426.1670861743552 Content-Type: text/x-emacs-lisp; charset=UTF-8; name=chuvash.el Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename=chuvash.el ;; Chuvash layout based on russian-computer. (quail-define-package =09"cyrillic-chuvash" "Chuvash" "CV" t =09"Input method for cyrillic Chuvash with a postfix modifier. =D0=90* -> =D3=90 =D0=B0* -> =D3=91 =D0=95* -> =D3=96 =D0=95* -> =D3=97 =D0=A1* -> =C3=87 (uses latin character) =D1=81* -> =C3=A7 (uses latin character) =D0=A3* -> =D3=B2 =D1=83* -> =D3=B3 Doubling the postfix separates the letter and postfix " =09nil t nil nil nil nil nil nil nil nil t) (quail-define-rules =09("1" ?1) =09("2" ?2) =09("3" ?3) =09("4" ?4) =09("5" ?5) =09("6" ?6) =09("7" ?7) =09("8" ?8) =09("9" ?9) =09("0" ?0) =09("-" ?-) =09("=3D" ?=3D) =09("|" ?/) =09("`" ?=D1=91) =09("q" ?=D0=B9) =09("w" ?=D1=86) =09("e" ?=D1=83) =09("r" ?=D0=BA) =09("t" ?=D0=B5) =09("y" ?=D0=BD) =09("u" ?=D0=B3) =09("i" ?=D1=88) =09("o" ?=D1=89) =09("p" ?=D0=B7) =09("[" ?=D1=85) =09("]" ?=D1=8A) =09("a" ?=D1=84) =09("s" ?=D1=8B) =09("d" ?=D0=B2) =09("f" ?=D0=B0) =09("g" ?=D0=BF) =09("h" ?=D1=80) =09("j" ?=D0=BE) =09("k" ?=D0=BB) =09("l" ?=D0=B4) =09(";" ?=D0=B6) =09("'" ?=D1=8D) =09("\\" ?\\) =09("z" ?=D1=8F) =09("x" ?=D1=87) =09("c" ?=D1=81) =09("v" ?=D0=BC) =09("b" ?=D0=B8) =09("n" ?=D1=82) =09("m" ?=D1=8C) =09("," ?=D0=B1) =09("." ?=D1=8E) =09("/" ?.) =09("!" ?!) =09("@" ?\") =09("#" ?=E2=84=96) =09("$" ?\;) =09("%" ?%) =09("^" ?:) =09("&" ??) =09("*" ?*) =09("(" ?\() =09(")" ?\)) =09("_" ?_) =09("+" ?+) =09("~" ?=D0=81) =09("Q" ?=D0=99) =09("W" ?=D0=A6) =09("E" ?=D0=A3) =09("R" ?=D0=9A) =09("T" ?=D0=95) =09("Y" ?=D0=9D) =09("U" ?=D0=93) =09("I" ?=D0=A8) =09("O" ?=D0=A9) =09("P" ?=D0=97) =09("{" ?=D0=A5) =09("}" ?=D0=AA) =09("A" ?=D0=A4) =09("S" ?=D0=AB) =09("D" ?=D0=92) =09("F" ?=D0=90) =09("G" ?=D0=9F) =09("H" ?=D0=A0) =09("J" ?=D0=9E) =09("K" ?=D0=9B) =09("L" ?=D0=94) =09(":" ?=D0=96) =09("\"" ?=D0=AD) =09("|" ?|) =09("Z" ?=D0=AF) =09("X" ?=D0=A7) =09("C" ?=D0=A1) =09("V" ?=D0=9C) =09("B" ?=D0=98) =09("N" ?=D0=A2) =09("M" ?=D0=AC) =09("<" ?=D0=91) =09(">" ?=D0=AE) =09("?" ?,) =09("F*" ?=D3=90) =09("f*" ?=D3=91) =09("T*" ?=D3=96) =09("t*" ?=D3=97) =09("C*" ?=C3=87) =09("c*" ?=C3=A7) =09("E*" ?=D3=B2) =09("e*" ?=D3=B3) =09("F**" ["=D0=90*"]) =09("f**" ["=D0=B0*"]) =09("T**" ["=D0=95*"]) =09("t**" ["=D0=B5*"]) =09("C**" ["=D0=A1*"]) =09("c**" ["=D1=81*"]) =09("E**" ["=D0=A3*"]) =09("e**" ["=D1=83*"])) ------=_Part_238973_1226296426.1670861743552-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 14 10:33:34 2022 Received: (at 60023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2022 15:33:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39933 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5TlG-0004MA-8B for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:33:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44428) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5TlD-0004M2-W7 for 60023@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:33:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Tl8-0003R0-Br; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:33:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=47S7nSrE+htCg8/OJ9Tfe8ru+LkXc0IgKLfBHImWUVs=; b=L0XZaMoPaEQHHsrVdcy6 PpIx5W1XnZle0JkyGy0Ojcmu4+lAWcfYtXeEggWwuUkwuc2JAFylaaVl7wikPEkY1RnvyxS1HstYz MtM9S8/+eOLeFpghjsnuuyt/KXfdyoCWJf4JEdJpgAnLmeMpmXKWPm8kJcqmNhZvsaAaC0Az0cs2M 6pRfWk6zpRXdXXffQAJGTv0/UpeVzuzEFnCxwr8VlDq56xKbQrPWKXzhK3IBife6fhCc+Ezih4Ih0 ZvJgLV1Xx7fiD/bqgKG/aWfmr681MAze3vWZGNIyExxBskmchfZD0JqJ2xj/woLVJsxRyZ7HRGYor ldmYhWKK5wyX0Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p5Tl7-00070q-Ku; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 10:33:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:33:23 +0200 Message-Id: <83mt7qm24c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: flashymittens@tutanota.com In-Reply-To: (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) Subject: Re: bug#60023: [wishlist] cyrillic-chuvash input method References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60023 Cc: 60023@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:15:43 +0100 (CET) > From: flashymittens--- via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > It is almost all cyrillic, however Çç characters are Latin (letter c with cedilla), because there is actually no cyrillic С with a cedilla in Unicode. There are Ҫҫ (cyrillic letter es with descender), however they are unreliable as they often look wrong in practice: Are you sure it is a good idea to use Çç? It will cause Emacs to consider, e.g., абвгҪҫÇçҪҫабвг, as 3 words, not one word, for the purposes of cursor motion commands, like M-f and C-. That's because Emacs always stops these movement commands when text switches to a different script, and here we will have a switch from Cyrillic to Latin and back. So maybe we should use Ҫҫ after all? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 14 12:28:12 2022 Received: (at 60023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Dec 2022 17:28:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5VYB-0005cO-MC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 12:28:11 -0500 Received: from w1.tutanota.de ([81.3.6.162]:46536) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p5VY8-0005cE-Ih for 60023@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 12:28:11 -0500 Received: from tutadb.w10.tutanota.de (unknown [192.168.1.10]) by w1.tutanota.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A2AAFBF9DA; Wed, 14 Dec 2022 17:28:02 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; t=1671038882; s=s1; d=tutanota.com; h=From:From:To:To:Subject:Subject:Content-Description:Content-ID:Content-Type:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Cc:Cc:Date:Date:In-Reply-To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Message-ID:Reply-To:References:References:Sender; bh=4AWOc2eSZ7dVyJtRqGgH4tLQIbNzum15S8LraUMoOgk=; b=PjcSv2MUJhgMkE5vSocE9ZqPVH1Uze1V2K7W8G2xr0dsupWd/mVpjlCGKR/pDlsX 1hlImsQ3pyiFzVbWajMQ4Ws02SrEsFb1j1YwlAqohdOEv3p/+ulvg0FRQgdstjJdnMz mQZPGigC1miofqZIZTNwIlOhjGizxcWQEQdfoMFS9fRl61QKqoXivoJeaFPcr7/x9VY kdpOaKvySIR1qlp4cb3ButyqYCcbq1l+EPDzqioD9IG+8dng5XpxWa6IxAZur82atl2 8GQ67PuLuNEBJfLFbZoqrjE9OFWYEEQPLg1XfgXXz/DaJObif+v4qt1EZdI9lRBHHJS jTND1Zm9Fw== Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 18:28:02 +0100 (CET) From: flashymittens@tutanota.com To: Eli Zaretskii Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <83mt7qm24c.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83mt7qm24c.fsf@gnu.org> Subject: Re: bug#60023: [wishlist] cyrillic-chuvash input method MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60023 Cc: 60023@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dec 14, 2022, 15:33 by eliz@gnu.org: > Are you sure it is a good idea to use =C3=87=C3=A7? It will cause Emacs = to > consider, e.g., =D0=B0=D0=B1=D0=B2=D0=B3=D2=AA=D2=AB=C3=87=C3=A7=D2=AA=D2= =AB=D0=B0=D0=B1=D0=B2=D0=B3, as 3 words, not one word, for the > purposes of cursor motion commands, like M-f and C-. That's > because Emacs always stops these movement commands when text switches > to a different script, and here we will have a switch from Cyrillic to > Latin and back. > > So maybe we should use =D2=AA=D2=AB after all? > Oh, I didn't know that. Hm=E2=80=A6 I guess Cyrillic ones work too then, if= it can't be overriden on input method level. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 16 15:08:53 2022 Received: (at 60023-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Dec 2022 20:08:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51323 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p6H0m-0006FC-Vh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:08:53 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p6H0k-0006F6-RY for 60023-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:08:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p6H0f-0003BP-3S; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:08:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=WETWyt4uZC7gqi3utbO6Oovv6QmBBA8OOib33GKpBN4=; b=U7jK7FAnEOV+dLGf/FHS 4uQjuA0sukNxTbdfzVNt/XjmcCIFA1L2zvBGHaVEJKiSMLFSwABp0f+mklaz4hs5Bx9z7ACPQgKuH 7eG/yIzGiK5KEyDTqR2Heb1TsKBJzqVkn7Ngo8VtHKwdDxbMbUNEQbuQRn1ww10zkF43uBG6nFsrH iC21U9fU2R1vQlafAx2w30IWApKtQ2exYu8FtZ4nMUH9LkJ1NsE5X+RopWwORqfQYS1Z553+ZDqu1 vVvocxCvPoxAno08ihylR5ZExLsEpsTJu9jmd336KSCBT+U9XQR7P8xlof/7EWz6tYseB//0biLBD 9LWRoXhsK9mYmQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p6H0e-00037b-F0; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 15:08:44 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2022 22:08:47 +0200 Message-Id: <83len7i01c.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: flashymittens@tutanota.com In-Reply-To: (flashymittens@tutanota.com) Subject: Re: bug#60023: [wishlist] cyrillic-chuvash input method References: <83mt7qm24c.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60023-done Cc: 60023-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 18:28:02 +0100 (CET) > From: flashymittens@tutanota.com > Cc: 60023@debbugs.gnu.org > > Dec 14, 2022, 15:33 by eliz@gnu.org: > > > Are you sure it is a good idea to use Çç? It will cause Emacs to > > consider, e.g., абвгҪҫÇçҪҫабвг, as 3 words, not one word, for the > > purposes of cursor motion commands, like M-f and C-. That's > > because Emacs always stops these movement commands when text switches > > to a different script, and here we will have a switch from Cyrillic to > > Latin and back. > > > > So maybe we should use Ҫҫ after all? > > > Oh, I didn't know that. Hm… I guess Cyrillic ones work too then, if it can't be overriden on input method level. OK, I've now installed this on the emacs-29 branch, using the Cyrillic characters, and I'm marking this bug done. Thanks. From unknown Tue Jun 17 20:26:42 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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