From unknown Fri Aug 15 03:57:40 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#60006 <60006@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#60006 <60006@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version Reply-To: bug#60006 <60006@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2025 10:57:40 +0000 retitle 60006 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version reassign 60006 emacs submitter 60006 Ikumi Keita severity 60006 wishlist tag 60006 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 12 08:42:52 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2022 13:42:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53034 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4j51-00070Q-Fh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:42:51 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:55404) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4j4z-00070K-I9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:42:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4j4z-0007QR-Ck for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:42:49 -0500 Received: from smtp1a.inetd.co.jp ([210.129.88.11]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4j4v-00005x-Ut for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 08:42:49 -0500 Received: from localhost (42-144-46-173.rev.home.ne.jp [42.144.46.173]) by smtp1a.inetd.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPA id CCD725C for ; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:39 +0900 (JST) From: Ikumi Keita To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 28.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <16613.1670852552.1@localhost> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:32 +0900 Message-ID: <16614.1670852552@localhost> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=210.129.88.11; envelope-from=ikumi@ikumi.que.jp; helo=smtp1a.inetd.co.jp X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) C-h f reports wrong version when `always' was introduced. [How to reproduce] 1. emacs-28.2 -Q 2. Type C-h f always RET 3. Then *Help* buffer says: Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. This contradicts to the following entry in etc/NEWS: ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ** New function 'always'. This is identical to 'ignore', but returns t instead. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Regards, Ikumi Keita #StandWithUkraine #StopWarInUkraine In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-unknown-freebsd13.1, GTK+ Version 3.24.= 33, cairo version 1.17.4) of 2022-09-15 built on freebsd.vmware Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: 13.1-RELEASE-p5 Configured using: 'configure --with-canna --with-canna-includes=3D/usr/local/canna/include --with-canna-libraries=3D/usr/local/canna/lib --without-xim --disable-largefile --without-modules --with-sound=3Dyes --with-file-notification=3Dyes CFLAGS=3D-O3' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 NOTIFY KQUEUE PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $EMACSLOADPATH: /home/keita/elisp: value of $LANG: ja_JP.eucJP locale-coding-system: 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Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:32 +0900 > > C-h f reports wrong version when `always' was introduced. > > [How to reproduce] > 1. emacs-28.2 -Q > 2. Type C-h f always RET > 3. Then *Help* buffer says: > Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes fail in ridiculous ways. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 12 14:40:45 2022 Received: (at 60006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2022 19:40:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54920 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofN-0002zQ-7U for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:40:45 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:46774) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4ofL-0002zK-BH for 60006@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 14:40:44 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64F0B412F4; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:40:42 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: SPAM Filter at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lLjm4dQNYFGI; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 20:40:40 +0100 (CET) From: Akib Azmain Turja DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1670874040; bh=zMV60MBy21Y5niIklzOrM1toRL0z207hyzZDOdR9b68=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=dy9WCiddMLfaKYihjjNVC9sVhIpx4bXB8o86Ip+da34vhVgHo1hvx/tCUBeD6mjLD iC8NEOj/xO1SqlwkfzfHNdKne6kq+1P5lrqkfqFlkBeC1ZGRYKqSaX+XAA7NVeul7h U4yLG/3CQVn6TXhfZTSAAQHQFZUEI5FMKR9YM+pNjrX3Ymifv7HjDn5CDQjovflb4/ YfkKWkjc5Uil2aFntBtKOBmGBv/zwLJch+lwjb+h2F6j7nph2zsRNLTlwIztFcdlDM bWJqspJS/Jh5G3dpWbhUdRKvfO5UsSHUS0hwF8/HJSJ6s6PO4QLBwdSiHJyRkWMXy+ QP2lo/X4+DmdQ== To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60006: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version In-Reply-To: <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 12 Dec 2022 17:10:21 +0200") References: <16614.1670852552@localhost> <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:16:59 +0600 Message-ID: <87edt47g1w.fsf@disroot.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: 1.1 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Ikumi Keita >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:32 +0900 >> >> C-h f reports wrong version when `always' was introduced. >> >> [How to reproduce] >> 1. emacs-28.2 -Q >> 2. Ty [...] Content analysis details: (1.1 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.1 DATE_IN_PAST_03_06 Date: is 3 to 6 hours before Received: date -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60006 Cc: Ikumi Keita , 60006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Ikumi Keita >> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:42:32 +0900 >>=20 >> C-h f reports wrong version when `always' was introduced. >>=20 >> [How to reproduce] >> 1. emacs-28.2 -Q >> 2. Type C-h f always RET >> 3. Then *Help* buffer says: >> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. For me, it is: "Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 25.1." > > That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first > release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes > fail in ridiculous ways. Just out of curiosity, what heuristic exactly? =2D-=20 Akib Azmain Turja, GPG key: 70018CE5819F17A3BBA666AFE74F0EFA922AE7F5 Fediverse: akib@hostux.social Codeberg: akib emailselfdefense.fsf.org | "Nothing can be secure without encryption." --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCAAdFiEEyVTKmrtL6kNBe3FRVTX89U2IYWsFAmOXU/sACgkQVTX89U2I YWugtBAAyqgq4L42xzf5jamn+2br5h9cDhohazmyTGzy+Sqv5NewjX5kzF75xKtg T+OMcHh+vwczdj5mECqiaVecXowaAJmdapiTPJegKn9ipPU8d7r5ZsU1B8teceVK WziMiZ57q93hsf1EIRXrDJSKALHM1J1pV+2SsARVOdAVv6q+lOviF26Xe51NVCca /aQYi9oqOyuf/7OkeKDjVDoeCoPSb/t6KCT47dvpyYTfa0w2tJrJejibXepVBBJR HGZhgvNFoQ2Zp5U5hSxJsHYM3V5/I0vucfvGM1S2F2KCCf5PLUcVX5BDx4J4xTuS ys9DfnLYwP7k0lnFiHXLkI3mfVgmn50/qO0+h+s6DqEcdM7PosswGsIDn4BP+CXd 6Vs6yjGC4ppV7zQqXVzgoSGQl4m6/c4v3AN/w9ZUNqDbVbcQJ6+8z7hfRM+TddMj Tv98w00HdCX1+Ygt80c1wfY/uynMwVGppn2Qy0ybKIC02Ck9gNnlmHHfnhn+COIt Rf7jTNFgMRg1BMW9ojOJcEdE28ESr/1VzAvAjef7ASWfn/WUj5IlUDNWk2D7AscJ UC4qmaY0zlclWcGAakIkyWoQyd3W0lrHD4/LlmwfJIApJwGS0MVr+VzLSgp7O0RW l8l3K7hxyQ83frZ0dwgCNtZ7/xcbMKl+5y5rnmxR9FNE7v922TA= =XERs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Dec 12 15:26:41 2022 Received: (at 60006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2022 20:26:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55152 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4pNp-0003WR-Am for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:26:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:32996) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4pNn-0003WL-TU for 60006@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:26:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4pNf-0005Qp-LD; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:26:31 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=fOJ89N/Ly//9Gt3jLCDGLDkd+z8f4osaocG8QfMYXbg=; b=aKoS4rrkVXbF PbUvZNATHq2HARehkmWJieTosNJ640LyZ9Fh25BqCi3CvQu7OIcWrZ7jt7H2aCE7t8reRCOxeKCtt MJe8kpHYnQ6yDz4ogmWFbqSxfDBykhyd7uUovcwNrVBDUyBFOloI0RkFsRSov7fcaf8ScZuYbypJk /W6TEsjBu1ErZyqoGcuaIAN8hvU5Xz+apxRz5fHgFElpST0+/Mgu0gPo8Um1NTkcKjAY8TyNPJ/kT 9AQhIYdUQclt4chWoPfs39di40aKp0E5LplHyvf8Y9Yk5wQBng+AcCjfFArTDV1+gCxI7dPPE6Rug m/cOnj8/5WU6YRynGAVgMg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p4pNf-0007ij-5c; Mon, 12 Dec 2022 15:26:31 -0500 Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:26:33 +0200 Message-Id: <835yegqsg6.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Akib Azmain Turja In-Reply-To: <87edt47g1w.fsf@disroot.org> (message from Akib Azmain Turja on Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:16:59 +0600) Subject: Re: bug#60006: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version References: <16614.1670852552@localhost> <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> <87edt47g1w.fsf@disroot.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60006 Cc: ikumi@ikumi.que.jp, 60006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Akib Azmain Turja > Cc: Ikumi Keita , 60006@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 22:16:59 +0600 > > > That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first > > release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes > > fail in ridiculous ways. > > Just out of curiosity, what heuristic exactly? See help-fns--first-release. 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Type C-h f always RET >> 3. Then *Help* buffer says: >> Probably introduced at or before Emacs version 1.1. > > That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first > release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes > fail in ridiculous ways. NEWS.25 says: *** New value 'always' for 'sh-indent-after-continuation'. I don't think there's much we can do here besides redesigning this feature from the ground up. So I'd be inclined to close this one as wontfix. 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C-h f reports wrong version References: <16614.1670852552@localhost> <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60006 Cc: ikumi@ikumi.que.jp, 60006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2022 16:48:25 -0800 > Cc: Ikumi Keita , 60006@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > That's why it says "Probably". The method of finding out the first > > release where the symbol appeared is a heuristic, and it can sometimes > > fail in ridiculous ways. > > NEWS.25 says: > > *** New value 'always' for 'sh-indent-after-continuation'. > > I don't think there's much we can do here besides redesigning this > feature from the ground up. So I'd be inclined to close this one as > wontfix. I agree. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 13 00:05:34 2022 Received: (at 60006) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Dec 2022 05:05:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57857 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4xTy-00052s-Ds for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 00:05:34 -0500 Received: from smtp1a.inetd.co.jp ([210.129.88.11]:60812) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4xTw-00052m-FP for 60006@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 00:05:33 -0500 Received: from localhost (42-144-46-173.rev.home.ne.jp [42.144.46.173]) by smtp1a.inetd.co.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E91405C; Tue, 13 Dec 2022 14:05:29 +0900 (JST) From: Ikumi Keita To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#60006: 28.2; C-h f reports wrong version In-reply-to: <83359kq8hl.fsf@gnu.org> References: <16614.1670852552@localhost> <83zgbsr736.fsf@gnu.org> <83359kq8hl.fsf@gnu.org> Comments: In-reply-to Eli Zaretskii message dated "Tue, 13 Dec 2022 05:37:42 +0200." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.6+git; nmh 1.7.1; GNU Emacs 28.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-ID: <21898.1670907928.1@localhost> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2022 14:05:29 +0900 Message-ID: <21901.1670907929@localhost> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 60006 Cc: Stefan Kangas , 60006@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >>>>> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think there's much we can do here besides redesigning this >> feature from the ground up. So I'd be inclined to close this one as >> wontfix. > I agree. I see, I don't mind. Thank you all. 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So I'd be inclined to close this one as >>> wontfix. > >> I agree. > > I see, I don't mind. Thank you all. Thanks, I'm consequently closing the bug with this message. From unknown Fri Aug 15 03:57:40 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Tue, 10 Jan 2023 12:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator