GNU bug report logs - #59882
30.0.50; Compilation of ELPA packages during version upgrade (Org 9.6 ELPA upgrade from older ELPA version)

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Message #38 received at 59882 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92 <at> posteo.net>,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: dsmasterson <at> gmail.com, emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org, michel <at> schi.nz,
 59882 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#59882: Multiple versions of Org in load-path problem
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 14:59:50 +0200

> From: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92 <at> posteo.net>
> Cc: David Masterson <dsmasterson <at> gmail.com>, emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org,
>  michel <at> schi.nz, 59882 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2022 09:51:01 +0000
> 
> On a related note, is it normal that package like org-mouse.el gets
> loaded upon calling C-h f org-mouse- <TAB> completion prompt?
> org-mouse.el does not contain a single autoload cookie.

I think it's expected, because the doc strings need to be loaded.
Stefan, am I right?

> I am asking because org-mouse.el advises some functions and its loading
> may cause unexpected consequences. See
> https://orgmode.org/list/87r0x6sju1.fsf <at> fastmail.fm

I think org-mouse.el should be fixed not to cause such effects just by
loading it.  It should do that only when it is actually used.

> At the same time, we have users complaining about some defcustoms not
> being available without loading.
> https://orgmode.org/list/25496.19258.682537.503614 <at> gargle.gargle.HOWL

That's too vague: it talks about "whether a variable exists", which is
ambiguous.  That a variable is not boundp until its definition is
loaded is perfectly expected, and I don't think defcustom changes that
in any way (unless you autoload the defcustom, which is considered not
the best style around here).

So I guess some clarification is in order: what exactly was the
problem with that variable being "nonexistent"?

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