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Content preview: severity 59745 wishlist thanks Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2 RBL: Average reputation (+2) [209.85.167.182 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.167.182 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR SPF: test of HELO record failed (temperror) 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 2.0 BLANK_SUBJECT Subject is present but empty 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) severity 59745 wishlist thanks From unknown Fri Sep 19 20:43:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#59745: 26.3; Rename `string-collate-lessp' to respect the convention Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 16:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59745 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 59745@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 59745-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59745.166991345921766 (code B ref 59745); Thu, 01 Dec 2022 16:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 59745) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2022 16:50:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40760 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0mm3-0005ez-66 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:50:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45590) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0mm1-0005eo-57; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:50:58 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0mlt-00013S-Ra; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:50:51 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=rsmMQBoa7IIHv2tNMtwOdwBzTCHLqNYGWf1XnjxRcH8=; b=DBq6GaY2IOft Q7IDoAQeKGSDYIbJ+sQMr3CrcNYHii7XiQ8XhywOUcktMPDNFKyf2yRpaMdXFPpbVBrFcNi2GgDBH XdVKR+hC2O1c59MFfNfqfjHct48TB08h5Vd25304sBtIbgtPsXo9wqi20zCryLyxnMJKPR0J/2lk8 cVNWdQ/mA19EX3o1TMEcYgrf6nZrFgZeT+F9F7Jxbyo8Zth2L+mF4BpgM+hEYtwcR8Vmqcf8r9PKX bv+yYA6K2qwlntkjQtduR1QFadPmmTpMyUy0A1VQtzN9S+BVWi/wH8Z7N8RLMiI6KE4Hcgjyyda9G 9mkMqpEbPun56Go2n8WwpA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0mlt-0004HM-Aq; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:50:49 -0500 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 18:50:21 +0200 Message-Id: <83r0xjgjaq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:19:31 +0000) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 59745 wontfix close 59745 thanks > From: Drew Adams > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:19:31 +0000 > > (elisp) `Coding Conventions' tells us: > > If the purpose of a function is to tell you whether a certain > condition is true or false, give the function a name that ends in > 'p' (which stands for "predicate"). 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OK, it's too late. Understood. ___ But what you say wrt `string-lessp' doesn't correspond to what the convention is, as it's documented now. `bufferp' and `stringp' _do_ respect the convention. If what you say is to be the _new_ convention, or a correction to how the convention should be specified, then please consider updating the doc to reflect that. Currently, what we say should be done is (sometimes) not what we do. ___ Note that `string-lessp' itself doesn't respect the current convention. `buffer-live-p' does respect it - it should be the model for a name with multiple parts/words (per the current convention). `string-lessp' in fact illustrates what I said: "Every such misnaming encourages others, as people tend to base new names on names they see for existing things." Exactly that - you're now citing `string-lessp' as a precedent. It's an easy, slippery slope. It's not because there've been some unfortunate misnamings that we should create more, based on those as precedent. From unknown Fri Sep 19 20:43:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#59745: 26.3; Rename `string-collate-lessp' to respect the convention Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 18:51:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 59745 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: wontfix To: Drew Adams Cc: 59745@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 59745-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B59745.16699206382349 (code B ref 59745); Thu, 01 Dec 2022 18:51:02 +0000 Received: (at 59745) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2022 18:50:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41341 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0odp-0000bp-RW for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 13:50:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36304) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0odn-0000bj-RB for 59745@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 13:50:36 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0odg-0004nZ-7m; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 13:50:30 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+NcYtfBaqYBqGsMueYDEvwvITzZmcYQ4sudlEBwzMno=; b=XW/Rf2/DSpNZ c45IsXpQcdgOVFZdDH3dWHebdt2mmymMpBPbBx9wLLbBRpWOLixcWCjkGy1opyl+idkzpZTSJ4G4x SDS0zojm44dC8Z5KeBHmDjYi6f8pmxkcWRPZVtYrtuGXrZu83CYZ7aErSd0mrr/INCe6FiqJhp0Cd 1yuMh689O80Gm2uIL1pR0YzYqtBbafVFqPLT/Z7wRXe0hD4ikufc0XU0712ZDJU//Rr7iAYlxgqkz gZ/3foWXxvOzGh0tEHoADn86gSwV+rICrISOpvUIMbp+udzP21ux0rQ5vP6CsJpG9zK0odAY+DS/d eQ1VHGf85xA/hySpkwnDig==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0odf-0004iS-3p; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 13:50:28 -0500 Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 20:50:01 +0200 Message-Id: <83edtjgdrb.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 1 Dec 2022 17:54:43 +0000) References: <83r0xjgjaq.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Drew Adams > CC: "59745@debbugs.gnu.org" <59745@debbugs.gnu.org> > Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2022 17:54:43 +0000 > > `string-lessp' in fact illustrates what I said: > > "Every such misnaming encourages others, as > people tend to base new names on names they > see for existing things." > > Exactly that - you're now citing `string-lessp' > as a precedent. It's an easy, slippery slope. Yes. The manual says how things should be done. Life(TM) sometimes diverges.