From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 26 01:21:00 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2022 06:21:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37676 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyoYS-0006lR-41 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:21:00 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53034) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyoYM-0006lE-Po for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:20:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyoYM-00063l-IL for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:20:42 -0500 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyoYK-0003ic-Ey for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 01:20:42 -0500 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6CDC3240101 for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:20:38 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1669443638; bh=MJx/cHOFWidys9OaG8w9KYLpAa214cD8F8AiDyoFKTY=; h=From:To:Subject:Date:From; b=KmRItCBIrNYt97+bWCRZD2XiMNcMpf9V9iwEeDA8u0FaCQf01qk8Abkl/h9lQzj2D Yx4xs6HsCqwZuKA5ZL9Tf9EjYQ4u/2hMTu3sviKW8vWPFXXr9FGdwPaIdjJ5d078JQ LRGcMOhfJ5WtPjWv5RyvmFOQSefQJC8VYf//Q4AEJxEqViOq5LVnrto4j9L5Dg/0Jt ptaDFgh1VrxQd7+GjyZf64YLrGzdsjLIfWpFG5hZKi0OiEzc1mVHLZZth7OBAixbyf Ha/vyqxIK6ftzEWGDRrsTvGzpt7i4pFqFIgsOGYTO+FUi1pmRvaymrwSABOrZV6JZi QgBV/uXwDpIsA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4NK1nK16SVz6tqt for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 07:20:34 +0100 (CET) From: Ihor Radchenko To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.1.90; Docstrings generated by `define-globalized-minor-mode' and `define-minor-mode' :global t are not same Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 06:21:13 +0000 Message-ID: <87a64ekzhi.fsf@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.67.36.66; envelope-from=yantar92@posteo.net; helo=mout02.posteo.de X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) Hi, I noticed inconsistency between minor modes defined via `define-globalized-minor-mode' and via `define-minor-mode' with :global t keyword. The former have the following in their docstring: "Toggle %s in all buffers.\n" "%s is enabled in all buffers where `%s' would do it." However, no indication is given that globalized minor mode defined via `define-minor-mode' :global t is global. For example, `auto-save-visited-mode' is a global minor mode, but no clear indication of this fact is given. It did cause confusion for some users. Expected: :global t clearly indicates that the mode is global. -- Ihor Radchenko // yantar92, Org mode contributor, Learn more about Org mode at . Support Org development at , or support my work at From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 26 03:15:25 2022 Received: (at 59600) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2022 08:15:25 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyqLN-00017R-2m for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:15:25 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33132) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyqLL-00017F-FB for 59600@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:15:24 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyqLE-000432-Ia; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:15:17 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=aQWqRPm90o40ymUkZRloqo3XgZ/+A2WSrEynl18rYHg=; b=RTcUEO6gFLa4 m0AY0Lkd/kNCSzLr9OBFAVBesqICBmk0NoCIXVWfIB5quhKgiJ9tTBVB0aoJvo66AdGCDXlOQthoC /+NGU4BFKue9m/FCTW2Ujz1Nx9F0xTxgJDiPw/ngMRi2ABEy4KbPGa0eiezzJuwl9bT7UGPhK0VTy QFI/Q6QIUOJsD5DvkZ6Mpi9WRQdIrqPxeotoCHGj42RcWf74cCmwWQHW3///4epDuBlwHfmHdyqWd ZHgTUreV67AoT2LjheigycVf6FQ3R1KlCGATUfxdBqPUp9Up1HFJ9eAW/MXVV6pd1KaNlw5UdTqr3 z252zWVYW7YsKbQBHeilvg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyqL9-0004Pl-Sg; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 03:15:15 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 10:15:36 +0200 Message-Id: <83pmdat9lj.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Ihor Radchenko , Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: <87a64ekzhi.fsf@localhost> (message from Ihor Radchenko on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 06:21:13 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#59600: 28.1.90; Docstrings generated by `define-globalized-minor-mode' and `define-minor-mode' :global t are not same References: <87a64ekzhi.fsf@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59600 Cc: 59600@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Ihor Radchenko > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 06:21:13 +0000 > > I noticed inconsistency between minor modes defined via > `define-globalized-minor-mode' and via `define-minor-mode' with :global > t keyword. > > The former have the following in their docstring: > > "Toggle %s in all buffers.\n" > "%s is enabled in all buffers where `%s' would do it." > > However, no indication is given that globalized minor mode defined via > `define-minor-mode' :global t is global. > > For example, `auto-save-visited-mode' is a global minor mode, but no > clear indication of this fact is given. It did cause confusion for some > users. > > Expected: :global t clearly indicates that the mode is global. Adding Stefan to the discussion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 26 12:38:45 2022 Received: (at 59600) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2022 17:38:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41353 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyz8W-00031G-Rq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:45 -0500 Received: from mailscanner.iro.umontreal.ca ([132.204.25.50]:57743) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyz8T-000319-Fi for 59600@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:43 -0500 Received: from pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id 411671000FB; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (unknown [172.31.2.1]) by pmg1.iro.umontreal.ca (Proxmox) with ESMTP id DF9261000D5; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=iro.umontreal.ca; s=mail; t=1669484313; bh=5yyfYkK6AsomU4+Hv49MTKhizhkvtm+mF//6EhwYopk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=BHmIRGs/NMjLVAtcP0G/R87cMXse42htFMzr4bckd9GcbqOauJahcJSNdjK+/FHrh AjCiE7yZBSv7o8t/2QPi9wS/JsFCrmfPc7u/KpNIKD2gD8XyLXsIE1klF8XwsjTm5L n7Rl9eia25+AfLR3G7+7PjJBbJOBUnYakzxWJmhVGCpKQIAWqF7X3+sKxSCoYg5Wxh r5s2f0NXrRInz9BqKMhBDGnriUjaJmG3A4kxOedIRF4xy8LwJpBjkJa/EwYx1pZPUJ D9/UZDTmlmLrsoUhFyOF1af69eWhTJ2hU3dcdeBV3epfa6WEoQSvIFEchmEEaD5onn Dd8yxK7ibU7mw== Received: from pastel (unknown [104.247.241.157]) by mail01.iro.umontreal.ca (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B235E120776; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500 (EST) From: Stefan Monnier To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#59600: 28.1.90; Docstrings generated by `define-globalized-minor-mode' and `define-minor-mode' :global t are not same In-Reply-To: <83pmdat9lj.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 26 Nov 2022 10:15:36 +0200") Message-ID: References: <87a64ekzhi.fsf@localhost> <83pmdat9lj.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500 User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-SPAM-INFO: Spam detection results: =?UTF-8?Q?0=0A=09?=ALL_TRUSTED -1 Passed through trusted hosts only via =?UTF-8?Q?SMTP=0A=09?=AWL -0.091 Adjusted score from AWL reputation of From: =?UTF-8?Q?address=0A=09?=BAYES_00 -1.9 Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% DKIM_SIGNED 0.1 Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily =?UTF-8?Q?valid=0A=09?=DKIM_VALID -0.1 Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK =?UTF-8?Q?signature=0A=09?=DKIM_VALID_AU -0.1 Message has a valid DKIM or DK signature from author's domain X-SPAM-LEVEL: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59600 Cc: Ihor Radchenko , 59600@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) >> The former have the following in their docstring: >> >> "Toggle %s in all buffers.\n" >> "%s is enabled in all buffers where `%s' would do it." >> >> However, no indication is given that globalized minor mode defined via >> `define-minor-mode' :global t is global. [ Nitpick: "define-minor-mode :global t" does not (usually) define a "globalized mode" but rather it defines a "global mode". ] >> For example, `auto-save-visited-mode' is a global minor mode, but no >> clear indication of this fact is given. It did cause confusion for some >> users. >> >> Expected: :global t clearly indicates that the mode is global. > > Adding Stefan to the discussion. Not much to say, but I agree it makes sense for the docstring to state the scope of the mode (global, buffer-local, younameit). Stefan From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 26 12:46:17 2022 Received: (at 59600) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2022 17:46:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyzFp-00036h-3R for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:46:17 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49362) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oyzFn-00036b-I4 for 59600@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:46:16 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyzFi-0007I1-9z; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:46:10 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=PvZiY5VQ7PM3KfhXKKvTHro4a2k9KpfN7ZlRX8mN3bU=; b=hGeYmPDQGd5L L3HQfBN/XMoApfR5d8VUXwitVGYDMrtRYXQDwHuzRjnspI+Q+ywBFPLW9HoZHR+3Ya9ptO40q7OW5 9keNnowg3y695hXvNhft9x+u6TlxFcOeIde/IlGGAorU5hdXeaa830FXQfYCu53iSxxO+Gp5qQX0W 56P7TZAWIeRc+DaonUMEjhxRaKEmS7/PQDKxRGjXBRhssOdhAcmuJcEKGdqGsuk3aFoCWBQ4CSAnT iCX4i1OmZrtCmBOXXVLyTR9VAZrC+VKQMGasWKheo9z1ajYEts0pfLXW7Phn2OONUVvAxeTasgdDG a1WIdrQWMLbwp0K5D7UkFg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oyzFg-00055z-Ms; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:46:09 -0500 Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 19:46:34 +0200 Message-Id: <831qppsj5x.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Monnier In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Monnier on Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#59600: 28.1.90; Docstrings generated by `define-globalized-minor-mode' and `define-minor-mode' :global t are not same References: <87a64ekzhi.fsf@localhost> <83pmdat9lj.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59600 Cc: yantar92@posteo.net, 59600@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Monnier > Cc: Ihor Radchenko , 59600@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 12:38:33 -0500 > > [ Nitpick: "define-minor-mode :global t" does not (usually) define > a "globalized mode" but rather it defines a "global mode". ] > > >> For example, `auto-save-visited-mode' is a global minor mode, but no > >> clear indication of this fact is given. It did cause confusion for some > >> users. > >> > >> Expected: :global t clearly indicates that the mode is global. > > > > Adding Stefan to the discussion. > > Not much to say, but I agree it makes sense for the docstring to state > the scope of the mode (global, buffer-local, younameit). Patches to the macro that defines the modes are welcome. 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