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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id o9-20020a63e349000000b0047685ed724dsm3096201pgj.40.2022.11.25.15.51.39 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:51:39 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device X-Debbugs-Package: emacs,gnus Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:51:33 -0800 Message-ID: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: none client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::1034; envelope-from=wyousef@fcih.net; helo=mail-pj1-x1034.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) I am not sure whether I sent a similar ticket before or not! I used to have the following desired behaviour with Gnus: when I send an email from my phone to someone, gnus pulls this email when it checks the emails. However, now this behaviour unfortunately is no longer persistent. Gnus does not pulls an email that was sent from other devices connected to the same account! In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2022-09-12 built on frederik Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Arch Linux Configured using: 'configure --sysconfdir=/etc --prefix=/usr --libexecdir=/usr/lib --localstatedir=/var --with-cairo --with-harfbuzz --with-libsystemd --with-modules --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 'CFLAGS=-march=x86-64 -mtune=generic -O2 -pipe -fno-plt -fexceptions -Wp,-D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2 -Wformat -Werror=format-security -fstack-clash-protection -fcf-protection -g -ffile-prefix-map=/build/emacs/src=/usr/src/debug -flto=auto' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-O1,--sort-common,--as-needed,-z,relro,-z,now -flto=auto'' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: 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with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oz3zX-0008Ct-7S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:49:47 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:41694) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oz3zU-0008Cl-S4 for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 17:49:45 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60295FA08D; Sat, 26 Nov 2022 22:49:38 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1669502978; bh=pnsTyC/Tr5QOmxJOpWBTLGcPDM38beqd4qDsIGlbK2w=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=qktvGVORpNH8oL2oaqhN/XyILZD4UzRJ+hUbGATwd2EZfHiHUyndQ7VPQf+t7AA3h g4Tr76wTHpYXhP7wOO6Lxwm100XFpXqo4o6CAjyrPuBu8jHL3QXWGCjU857CKQr/ys Ztat7gqDlMh7tHSaOa6gou1SQgnNL850wVdyagUU= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 25 Nov 2022 15:51:33 -0800") References: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2022 14:49:36 -0800 Message-ID: <87edtpl4an.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Waleed Yousef writes: > I am not sure whether I sent a similar ticket before or not! > > I used to have the following desired behaviour with Gnus: when I send an > email from my phone to someone, gnus pulls this email when it checks the > emails. However, now this behaviour unfortunately is no longer > persistent. Gnus does not pulls an email that was sent from other > devices connected to the same account! We'd need a lot more information than this to figure out the problem. What kind of mail account is this (IMAP, something else?) and how are you sending emails from your phone? Did the email used to show up in a "Sent" folder, or where are you expecting them to appear? Is it possible that Gnus is pulling the emails, but they're marked as read so they don't display by default? My first guess is that your phone client used to save outgoing mails, but has either stopped doing that, or saves them in a different place now. 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 188-20020a6218c5000000b00574c54423d3sm1960764pfy.145.2022.11.30.15.47.59 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:47:59 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> <87edtpl4an.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:47:58 -0800 Message-ID: <874jug0ztd.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and check). Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Waleed Yousef writes: > >> I am not sure whether I sent a similar ticket before or not! >> >> I used to have the following desired behaviour with Gnus: when I send an >> email from my phone to someone, gnus pulls this email when it checks the >> emails. However, now this behaviour unfortunately is no longer >> persistent. Gnus does not pulls an email that was sent from other >> devices connected to the same account! > > We'd need a lot more information than this to figure out the problem. > What kind of mail account is this (IMAP, something else?) and how are > you sending emails from your phone? Did the email used to show up in a > "Sent" folder, or where are you expecting them to appear? Is it possible > that Gnus is pulling the emails, but they're marked as read so they > don't display by default? > > My first guess is that your phone client used to save outgoing mails, > but has either stopped doing that, or saves them in a different place > now. > > Eric From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Dec 01 11:00:32 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2022 16:00:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0lzE-0000dY-Hy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:00:32 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:45370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0lzC-0000dP-Dp for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2022 11:00:31 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2B355FA081; Thu, 1 Dec 2022 16:00:24 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1669910424; bh=FMnka45WEPE4bHXOpZHaDtc+YqlWc5T2PY1s+gQslkU=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Lg7NifECdq1qKZukbn21BfSeWLbufhWAsba5EBhXcqwqltio//tAffr9bqX8Mu4fE Gyao1qn/aABEJfpAvfOoMfPq3VKJ5BhgKZ0ocZFaFlOBw4lYybpfgpAq+mdNRqXWAl 0fozFrBoo/2BrnuPS2MO1Yg5oxzmmHfMVonFeHUg= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <874jug0ztd.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Wed, 30 Nov 2022 15:47:58 -0800") References: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> <87edtpl4an.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874jug0ztd.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 08:00:22 -0800 Message-ID: <871qpjm7vt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Waleed Yousef writes: > Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several > experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus > pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a > pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that > case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from > my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail > interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email > although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and > check). This still isn't enough information to help you. How is Gnus fetching mail for this account? Is it an nnimap backend, or some other mail backend using a mail source? 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d7-20020a63d707000000b00464aa9ea6fasm2794463pgg.20.2022.12.01.09.16.55 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 01 Dec 2022 09:16:55 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <87edtq7fui.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> <87edtpl4an.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874jug0ztd.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> <871qpjm7vt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 01 Dec 2022 09:16:54 -0800 In-Reply-To: <871qpjm7vt.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 01 Dec 2022 08:00:22 -0800") Message-ID: <875yevdoxl.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks again for your time, I have four emails, three are pop3 and one is imap. I am using nnml. This is my gnus.el part: ``` (setq mail-sources `( (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@fcih.net" :port 995 :stream ssl) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl) (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" :port 993 :stream ssl ) ) gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gnus.org") gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" smtpmail-smtp-service '587 ) ``` Another piece of information is that I am using spacemacs, which I do not think it will make any difference as its maintainers confirmed to me that they did not change anything with gnus Thanks so much. Eric Abrahamsen writes: > Waleed Yousef writes: > >> Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several >> experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus >> pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a >> pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that >> case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from >> my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail >> interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email >> although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and >> check). > > This still isn't enough information to help you. How is Gnus fetching > mail for this account? Is it an nnimap backend, or some other mail > backend using a mail source? 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d8bf:9203:909e:b531]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w13-20020aa7954d000000b00574ee8d8779sm203851pfq.65.2022.12.05.20.11.08 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 05 Dec 2022 20:11:09 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Waleed Yousef Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Date: Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:10:57 -0800 Message-Id: References: <875yevdoxl.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> In-Reply-To: <875yevdoxl.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> To: Eric Abrahamsen X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20B101) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) One more piece of clue: I installed outlook on my iphone to experiment with,= as a replacement of =E2=80=9CMail app=E2=80=9D of iphone. The same problem e= xist, i.e., when I send an email with outlook, gnus does not fetch it.=20 > On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF > Thanks again for your time, >=20 > I have four emails, three are pop3 and one is imap. I am using nnml. This i= s my gnus.el part: >=20 > ``` > (setq mail-sources `( > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@fcih.net" > :port 995 > :stream ssl) > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" > :port 995 > :stream ssl) > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" > :port 995 > :stream ssl) > (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" > :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" > :port 993 > :stream ssl > ) > ) > gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gnus.org") > gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) >=20 > user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" > user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" > send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it > message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it > smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" > smtpmail-smtp-service '587 > ) > ``` >=20 > Another piece of information is that I am using spacemacs, which I do not t= hink it will make any difference as its maintainers confirmed to me that the= y did not change anything with gnus >=20 >=20 > Thanks so much. >=20 > Eric Abrahamsen writes: >=20 >> Waleed Yousef writes: >>=20 >>> Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several >>> experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus >>> pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a >>> pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that >>> case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from >>> my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail >>> interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email >>> although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and >>> check). >>=20 >> This still isn't enough information to help you. How is Gnus fetching >> mail for this account? Is it an nnimap backend, or some other mail >> backend using a mail source? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 06 19:10:42 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2022 00:10:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45980 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p2i1K-0005qK-BJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2022 19:10:42 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:50064) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p2i1F-0005qB-Jg for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2022 19:10:41 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [76.135.104.211]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A6C5AFA095; Wed, 7 Dec 2022 00:10:30 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1670371830; bh=i05gipUIUGPVOzxjwy/0e1K+jytqmWgl4eCfz8+tyk0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=ImUmK+WZuq/LI7lVhwaoGJNxyr0m7mFTrTrT8Jpa+z4eIVlEoNy2amlOewXgjMyxl KhIkogy7SVRxGrQQXKMY2EOR5M5URvC9fqoruukbnzkhMG7b3VsxjYc2Jq0y15EzH/ AtT+BuWYbTC/mmHBXZ8OuxC5SEPmue4MeLqK9DVU= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: (Waleed Yousef's message of "Mon, 5 Dec 2022 20:10:57 -0800") References: <875yevdoxl.fsf@node-1w7jr9strgjopauae3d8vyr5z.ipv6.telus.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2022 16:10:29 -0800 Message-ID: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Waleed Yousef writes: > One more piece of clue: I installed outlook on my iphone to experiment wi= th, as a replacement of =E2=80=9CMail app=E2=80=9D of iphone. The same prob= lem exist, i.e., when I send an email with outlook, gnus does not fetch it.= =20 Can you confirm that the Outlook app saves your sent message in the app? What's the name of the folder the send mail is saved to? My guess is that the account in question is the one you're using as an imap mail source. When you use imap as a mail source, Gnus will only fetch mails from the folders named in the :mailbox setting, which defaults to "INBOX". So I'm guessing that the mail is being saved into "Sent" or something like that, but Gnus does not fetch mail from there. If it's true that this is the imap account, then try changing the mail-source definition to: (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" :port 993 :stream ssl :mailbox ("INBOX" "Sent") ) Replacing "Sent" with whatever the actual name of the sent mail folder is. Alternately (and in my mind preferably), access the imap account using a full nnimap server backend. Then you'll see everything, and get two-way sync. Eric >> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BF >> Thanks again for your time, >>=20 >> I have four emails, three are pop3 and one is imap. I am using nnml. Thi= s is my gnus.el part: >>=20 >> ``` >> (setq mail-sources `( >> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >> :user "wyousef@fcih.net" >> :port 995 >> :stream ssl) >> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >> :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" >> :port 995 >> :stream ssl) >> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >> :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" >> :port 995 >> :stream ssl) >> (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" >> :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" >> :port 993 >> :stream ssl >> ) >> ) >> gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gnus.org") >> gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) >>=20 >> user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" >> user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" >> send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it >> message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it >> smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" >> smtpmail-smtp-service '587 >> ) >> ``` >>=20 >> Another piece of information is that I am using spacemacs, which I do no= t think it will make any difference as its maintainers confirmed to me that= they did not change anything with gnus >>=20 >>=20 >> Thanks so much. >>=20 >> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >>=20 >>> Waleed Yousef writes: >>>=20 >>>> Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several >>>> experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus >>>> pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a >>>> pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that >>>> case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from >>>> my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail >>>> interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email >>>> although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and >>>> check). >>>=20 >>> This still isn't enough information to help you. How is Gnus fetching >>> mail for this account? Is it an nnimap backend, or some other mail >>> backend using a mail source? 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:8550:d003:73fa:670f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b4-20020a170902d50400b001865c298588sm13198872plg.258.2022.12.06.16.17.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 06 Dec 2022 16:17:26 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Waleed Yousef Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Date: Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:17:15 -0800 Message-Id: <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> In-Reply-To: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> To: Eric Abrahamsen X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20B101) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks so much. In fact, this problem happens even with pop3 emails. When I send an email, u= sing a pop account, either from Outlook or Mail (both are apps on iphone), t= he email is saved in the app and I can see it on the webmail in the folder s= ent, but Gnus cannot fetch the email. However, if I send from the webmail Gn= us fetches it!! So, in both cases the email is saved to the folder sent of the pop account!!= > On Dec 6, 2022, at 4:10 PM, Eric Abrahamsen wrot= e: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFWaleed Yousef writes: >=20 >> One more piece of clue: I installed outlook on my iphone to experiment wi= th, as a replacement of =E2=80=9CMail app=E2=80=9D of iphone. The same probl= em exist, i.e., when I send an email with outlook, gnus does not fetch it.=20= >=20 > Can you confirm that the Outlook app saves your sent message in the app? > What's the name of the folder the send mail is saved to? >=20 > My guess is that the account in question is the one you're using as an > imap mail source. When you use imap as a mail source, Gnus will only > fetch mails from the folders named in the :mailbox setting, which > defaults to "INBOX". So I'm guessing that the mail is being saved into > "Sent" or something like that, but Gnus does not fetch mail from there. >=20 > If it's true that this is the imap account, then try changing the > mail-source definition to: >=20 > (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" > :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" > :port 993 > :stream ssl > :mailbox ("INBOX" "Sent") > ) >=20 > Replacing "Sent" with whatever the actual name of the sent mail folder > is. >=20 > Alternately (and in my mind preferably), access the imap account using a > full nnimap server backend. Then you'll see everything, and get two-way > sync. >=20 > Eric >=20 >>>> On Dec 1, 2022, at 9:16 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >>>=20 >>> =EF=BB=BF >>> Thanks again for your time, >>>=20 >>> I have four emails, three are pop3 and one is imap. I am using nnml. Thi= s is my gnus.el part: >>>=20 >>> ``` >>> (setq mail-sources `( >>> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >>> :user "wyousef@fcih.net" >>> :port 995 >>> :stream ssl) >>> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >>> :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" >>> :port 995 >>> :stream ssl) >>> (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" >>> :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" >>> :port 995 >>> :stream ssl) >>> (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" >>> :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" >>> :port 993 >>> :stream ssl >>> ) >>> ) >>> gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gnus.org") >>> gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) >>>=20 >>> user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" >>> user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" >>> send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it >>> message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it >>> smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" >>> smtpmail-smtp-service '587 >>> ) >>> ``` >>>=20 >>> Another piece of information is that I am using spacemacs, which I do no= t think it will make any difference as its maintainers confirmed to me that t= hey did not change anything with gnus >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Thanks so much. >>>=20 >>> Eric Abrahamsen writes: >>>=20 >>>> Waleed Yousef writes: >>>>=20 >>>>> Thanks so much for your reply. After I read your reply, I did several >>>>> experiments and found that the problem does not happen (that is, Gnus >>>>> pulls the sent messages) if I send from the webmail interface of a >>>>> pop3 email, e.g., using chrome to send from my gmail account. In that >>>>> case Gnus will pull the sent email. However, if the email is sent from= >>>>> my iphone (whether IMAP or pop3 account) or even from a webmail >>>>> interface of an IMAP account, Gnus does not pull the sent email >>>>> although the email is indeed saved in the sent box (I go online and >>>>> check). >>>>=20 >>>> This still isn't enough information to help you. How is Gnus fetching >>>> mail for this account? Is it an nnimap backend, or some other mail >>>> backend using a mail source? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Dec 06 19:38:14 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Dec 2022 00:38:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46119 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p2iRy-0008OC-6F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2022 19:38:14 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:42682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p2iRx-0008O5-77 for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Dec 2022 19:38:13 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [76.135.104.211]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56DCBFA095; Wed, 7 Dec 2022 00:38:07 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1670373487; bh=g2fIaCgD7tu/Lr0s+8zyK+H0Dcvy0T4HnP/OIEKiRi4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=otZ+cuPwaHuVxssUN1l4g+JH/Xs/Jrb48qorzeuDx9v4Oc/VMBKOpY4Hg3yotW9/H CnpRDrc7ZTm8a0R20gWbNYsH7Q2QpQwkwzl1JAMU+sAH5k5r7xDK8Vdv/CyiRyuUKU bksKySSZM+DXu3c4fpbjhUUDyd5ZFOOt74xT4fBk= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:17:15 -0800") References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> Date: Tue, 06 Dec 2022 16:38:06 -0800 Message-ID: <87sfhsm4k1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/06/22 16:17 PM, Waleed Yousef wrote: > Thanks so much. > > In fact, this problem happens even with pop3 emails. When I send an > email, using a pop account, either from Outlook or Mail (both are apps > on iphone), the email is saved in the app and I can see it on the > webmail in the folder sent, but Gnus cannot fetch the email. However, > if I send from the webmail Gnus fetches it!! > > So, in both cases the email is saved to the folder sent of the pop account!! Do the sent messages have the same marks (both marked as read, anything else) regardless of whether you send them from the app or from webmail? And you have the sent mail folder in Gnus, but it only contains messages that were sent via the webmail, not the messages sent via the app? I'm running out of ideas, I'm afraid... 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p8-20020a1709027ec800b001893a002107sm147211plb.0.2022.12.08.18.34.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 08 Dec 2022 18:34:37 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87sfhsm4k1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Thu, 08 Dec 2022 18:34:31 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87sfhsm4k1.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 06 Dec 2022 16:38:06 -0800") Message-ID: <87o7sd1f0o.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks so much for your patience, Yes, the app (whether it is Outlook or Mail app of iphone) saves the mail to the "Sent" folder within the app itself, and I find it in the folder "Sent" on the webmail. In both cases (whether I send from the app or the webmail) I see the message in the "Sent" folder on the webmail marked as read. I tried to mark it as unread, hoping that Gnus will fetch it, with no success. For gnus, yes, I receive all messages sent via webmail not the messages sent via the app! I am really puzzled about this! Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On 12/06/22 16:17 PM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >> Thanks so much. >> >> In fact, this problem happens even with pop3 emails. When I send an >> email, using a pop account, either from Outlook or Mail (both are apps >> on iphone), the email is saved in the app and I can see it on the >> webmail in the folder sent, but Gnus cannot fetch the email. However, >> if I send from the webmail Gnus fetches it!! >> >> So, in both cases the email is saved to the folder sent of the pop account!! > > Do the sent messages have the same marks (both marked as read, anything > else) regardless of whether you send them from the app or from webmail? > > And you have the sent mail folder in Gnus, but it only contains messages > that were sent via the webmail, not the messages sent via the app? > > I'm running out of ideas, I'm afraid... > > Eric From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 05:41:55 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 10:41:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35207 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3apG-0005uH-UH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 05:41:55 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:50894) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3apE-0005u9-32 for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 05:41:53 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NT6yk5kg5z1qyJZ; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:41:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NT6yk3N7Sz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:41:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Bo9QYMkpn3ux; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:41:49 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: izyeOhgSgSb/rUNP4coctkZUM9qyN8kEVkIv2yyAh/SpgOcTwU6YjXj8sI+7VnUJ Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:41:49 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 86AE42C1EC4; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:41:49 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> X-Yow: With this weapon I can expose fictional characters and bring about sweeping reforms!! Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:41:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Tue, 6 Dec 2022 16:17:15 -0800") Message-ID: <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:6051:71ac:80b1:436f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id s17-20020a170902ea1100b00189c26719cdsm1486009plg.272.2022.12.09.07.37.41 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 07:37:42 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Waleed Yousef Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 07:37:30 -0800 Message-Id: References: <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> In-Reply-To: <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> To: Andreas Schwab X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20B101) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I meant by =E2=80=9Cread=E2=80=9D its colour on the webmail after sending i= s faint not bold. Both (the email sent by the app and the email sent by webm= ail) appear faint on the webmail after sending; however, Gnus fetches only t= he one sent by the webmail.=20 Do you suggest another criterion, than colour, to check the status of the se= nt email whether it is SEEN or UNSEEN. > On Dec 9, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: >=20 > =EF=BB=BFBy default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so ma= ke sure > the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. >=20 > --=20 > Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org > GPG Key fingerprint =3D 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1= > "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 10:42:50 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 15:42:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36892 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3fWU-00061q-05 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:42:50 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:50320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3fWR-00061k-Lr for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:42:48 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F3BEDFA0A6; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 15:42:40 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1670600561; bh=d65kCXlnukytKzrwWNuA2AtUkhjQRPoa/ADjO8rSajk=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=nhS/ACTTQTVF+pGHPxx3b6PYdLoXv7HWRjlJj7vTYKkVCHonLH5r909560vYt5/D7 dk3K6JflSCAaWjrDmDAXbv6MXbSnuerko1Q8Os11gRavUoIzkYg9LN2wo4woKBwl2A yjVs8P1/iBfoUjlBfO1vgg9/nNMaN/7+oejgtC3g= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:41:49 +0100") References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 07:42:39 -0800 Message-ID: <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org, Waleed Yousef X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/09/22 11:41 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: > By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure > the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. Thanks, Andreas, I was hoping it might be something like this. Waleed, can you see what marks are set on the sent mail? SEEN is distinct from READ. You can also change the config for your imap mail source, adding :predicate "1:*" see the "Mail Source Specifiers" section of the manual. That only applies to imap mail sources, though. 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id v25-20020a637a19000000b00478bd458bdfsm1162443pgc.88.2022.12.09.08.09.20 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:09:20 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:09:19 -0800 In-Reply-To: <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 07:42:39 -0800") Message-ID: <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Amazing! I just added added what you have suggested (:predicate "1:*") to the imap account I have; it fetched more than thousand emails, including those sent today. So, it is working now for imap. However, how can I do it for pop? The strange thing is that it was working until just weeks or months ago; what happened!! Just for your information, I will re-share my mail source settings: ``` (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@fcih.net" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" :port 993 :predicate "1:*" :stream ssl :mailbox ("inbox" "sent items") :fetchflag "\\Seen" ) ``` Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On 12/09/22 11:41 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: >> By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure >> the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. > > Thanks, Andreas, I was hoping it might be something like this. > > Waleed, can you see what marks are set on the sent mail? SEEN is > distinct from READ. You can also change the config for your imap mail > source, adding > > :predicate "1:*" > > see the "Mail Source Specifiers" section of the manual. That only > applies to imap mail sources, though. 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g6-20020a1709026b4600b00186616b8fbasm1561104plt.10.2022.12.09.08.28.45 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:28:45 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:28:44 -0800 In-Reply-To: <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:09:19 -0800") Message-ID: <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Oh; but for the imap account Gnus keeps fetching all the emails again and again! I have to remove this :predicate "1:*" Waleed Yousef writes: > Amazing! > > I just added added what you have suggested (:predicate "1:*") to the > imap account I have; it fetched more than thousand emails, including > those sent today. So, it is working now for imap. However, how can I do > it for pop? The strange thing is that it was working until just weeks or > months ago; what happened!! > > Just for your information, I will re-share my mail source settings: > > ``` > > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@fcih.net" > :port 995 > :stream ssl > :leave non-nil) > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" > :port 995 > :stream ssl > :leave non-nil) > (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" > :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" > :port 995 > :stream ssl > :leave non-nil) > (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" > :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" > :port 993 > :predicate "1:*" > :stream ssl > :mailbox ("inbox" "sent items") > :fetchflag "\\Seen" > ) > ``` > > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> On 12/09/22 11:41 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote: >>> By default, Gnus only fetches UNSEEN (and UNDELETED) mails, so make sure >>> the sending MUA does not mark the sent mail as SEEN. >> >> Thanks, Andreas, I was hoping it might be something like this. >> >> Waleed, can you see what marks are set on the sent mail? SEEN is >> distinct from READ. You can also change the config for your imap mail >> source, adding >> >> :predicate "1:*" >> >> see the "Mail Source Specifiers" section of the manual. That only >> applies to imap mail sources, though. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 11:46:59 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 16:46:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37184 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3gWY-0006i6-OC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:46:59 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:36990) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3gWX-0006i0-NF for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:46:58 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 5DCBDFA0A6; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 16:46:51 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1670604411; bh=q3y/QoxMSuHMskVyFoP6DHGWrwFv2mTp0RYaBevIY3s=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=DfZv7lDHQugg8TmDTkUQnruisqsNZJh8YJKx/kb6wDL6LX5n3x4NtNDEBrxWZH5cE /IBOSGZkdKl8HAEoouE2e53gs6GbXMRbPlpH7Jhnt3flPvTntwHjf1e1r2mQah6DaE FRygPDMvYO09y8Y9NW8Fb9+EY5dn1kSmAYuprToU= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:28:44 -0800") References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:46:50 -0800 Message-ID: <875yekle2t.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Waleed Yousef writes: > Oh; but for the imap account Gnus keeps fetching all the emails again > and again! I have to remove this :predicate "1:*" You'll have to play with matching :predicate and :fetchflag configs. The :predicate can target flags (the default appears to be "UNSEEN UNDELETED") and then :fetchflag can set a flag that will be filtered out by subsequent fetches. The pop mail source doesn't have an equivalent predicate, and I assume it would just fetch everything. Nothing has changed with mail sources or fetching in the past several months... From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 11:49:10 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 16:49:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3gYg-0006mi-82 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:49:10 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:34059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3gYe-0006mc-7A for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:49:08 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTH6V5RDPz1r15f; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:49:06 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTH6V3ZLgz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:49:06 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B7fKcRmzOM-J; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:49:05 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: KElSJBgs1VqV9frRFk0/8t6Z7JPoHv6VUP/c8qC91HZTSlWvjd0Avjll/dToZt65 Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:49:05 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 9B1122C33B0; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 17:49:05 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> X-Yow: Why are these athletic shoe salesmen following me?? Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 17:49:05 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 08:28:44 -0800") Message-ID: <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If the IMAP server allows setting arbitrary keywords, you can use that to mark the downloaded mails. :predicate "UNKEYWORD gnus-fetched" :fetchflag "gnus-fetched \\Seen" -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If the IMAP server allows setting arbitrary keywords, you can use that to mark the downloaded mails. :predicate "UNKEYWORD gnus-fetched" :fetchflag "gnus-fetched \\Seen" -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager If the IMAP server allows setting arbitrary keywords, you can use that to mark the downloaded mails. :predicate "UNKEYWORD gnus-fetched" :fetchflag "gnus-fetched \\Seen" -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b13-20020a170902650d00b00186b549cdc2sm1593329plk.157.2022.12.09.09.37.14 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:37:15 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:37:14 -0800 In-Reply-To: <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 17:49:05 +0100") Message-ID: <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I copied and pasted exactly what you wrote; when fetching it gives me an error of bad code bla bla.. I read this page https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Mail-Source-Specifiers.html I could not find more information. On the other hand, for the pop server, how I checks for the SEEN/UNSEEN flag of the message on the server? From the webmail, I clicked on message details and information and did not find useful information. Andreas Schwab writes: > If the IMAP server allows setting arbitrary keywords, you can use that > to mark the downloaded mails. > > :predicate "UNKEYWORD gnus-fetched" > :fetchflag "gnus-fetched \\Seen" From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 12:54:52 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 17:54:52 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37484 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3haG-0001DT-Ic for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 12:54:52 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:50667) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3haE-0001DN-EY for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 12:54:51 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTJZK27lBz1qyc6; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 18:54:49 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTJZK1nCBz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 18:54:49 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zezeKlN9oJLi; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 18:54:48 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: T3r62V05NOPATrzzeuYXyMyDDNP9wW1DDNN9ECjF2OMCYZqVoihL3vpOO1ogUgnL Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 18:54:48 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5F94E2C33B0; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 18:54:48 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> X-Yow: When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it.. Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 18:54:48 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 09:37:14 -0800") Message-ID: <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The IMAP server probably doesn't offer the ability to set arbitrary flags. You can see that in the answer to the SELECT command, which the IMAP server answers with PERMANENTFLAGS and the list of possi [...] Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The IMAP server probably doesn't offer the ability to set arbitrary flags. You can see that in the answer to the SELECT command, which the IMAP server answers with PERMANENTFLAGS and the list of possi [...] Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.9 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.9 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager The IMAP server probably doesn't offer the ability to set arbitrary flags. You can see that in the answer to the SELECT command, which the IMAP server answers with PERMANENTFLAGS and the list of possible flags (which must include \* for this ability). The POP protocol does not offer any options here at all. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z15-20020aa79e4f000000b00577c5915138sm1501540pfq.128.2022.12.09.10.02.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:02:04 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:02:02 -0800 In-Reply-To: <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 18:54:48 +0100") Message-ID: <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) I really appreciate your support. So, do you think there is no more things to try? This means that I will always have Gnus out of sync with my emails sent from my phone when I am away from my laptop! Andreas Schwab writes: > The IMAP server probably doesn't offer the ability to set arbitrary > flags. You can see that in the answer to the SELECT command, which the > IMAP server answers with PERMANENTFLAGS and the list of possible flags > (which must include \* for this ability). > > The POP protocol does not offer any options here at all. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 13:14:28 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 18:14:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37599 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3htE-0001PR-Fa for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:14:28 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:37258) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3htC-0001PL-Sl for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:14:27 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTK0x3Srtz1s94T; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:14:25 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTK0x0HTgz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:14:25 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tF_PGkaGtgJL; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:14:24 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: 4APlE1f1f2uPcFPrSi5Du1woqQCBCy766i6i7erZ6H4yPpCufMieqwAbkfse8ype Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:14:24 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 2B64D2C32DE; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:14:24 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> X-Yow: FIRST, I was in a TRUCK...THEN, I was in a DINER... Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:14:24 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:02:02 -0800") Message-ID: <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: When I have to cope with such an impoverished mail server, I work around that by using the \Draft flag to mark the downloaded mails. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: When I have to cope with such an impoverished mail server, I work around that by using the \Draft flag to mark the downloaded mails. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager When I have to cope with such an impoverished mail server, I work around that by using the \Draft flag to mark the downloaded mails. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gp21-20020a17090adf1500b0020b2082e0acsm1425722pjb.0.2022.12.09.10.17.26 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:17:26 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:17:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:14:24 +0100") Message-ID: <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) So, this is the code: :predicate "\\Draft" :fetchflag "\\Draft" with two two \\ not just one \ Andreas Schwab writes: > When I have to cope with such an impoverished mail server, I work around > that by using the \Draft flag to mark the downloaded mails. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 13:33:10 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 18:33:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37715 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3iBK-0001ci-Mp for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:33:10 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:60453) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3iBJ-0001cc-0Y for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 13:33:09 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTKQW4F4Xz1s94Q; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:33:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTKQW3rnnz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:33:07 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14ZrhaubkItz; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:33:06 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: Q1cAMeXSa6A0+IAwB0xU9wpNROeOgiccNvR5XOHygsk98UMsR8ZynRzFr+tVlLMf Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:33:06 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AA1902C32F6; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 19:33:06 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> X-Yow: They don't hire PERSONAL PINHEADS, Mr. Toad! Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:33:06 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 10:17:24 -0800") Message-ID: <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The predicate is UNDRAFT. See RFC3501 for a full list of predicates (in the SEARCH command). -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: The predicate is UNDRAFT. See RFC3501 for a full list of predicates (in the SEARCH command). -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager The predicate is UNDRAFT. See RFC3501 for a full list of predicates (in the SEARCH command). -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w38-20020a634766000000b0047917991e83sm1287175pgk.48.2022.12.09.11.12.51 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:12:51 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Andreas Schwab Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:12:51 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> (Andreas Schwab's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 19:33:06 +0100") Message-ID: <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ok; thanks so much. I think it works now for the imap except that when I send from Gnus I cannot find the sent mail on the webmail Sent box!!! So the snycing is one-way only. My stmp settings in gnus are: (BTW, my imap email is the last one, which is wyousef@uvic.ca) ``` (setq ;;;;SMTP user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" smtpmail-smtp-service '587 send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it ;; very nice examples here: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/gnus/Posting-Styles.html gnus-posting-styles '( ((header "to" "wyousef@aucegypt.edu") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 wyousef@aucegypt.edu")) ((header "to" "wyousef@gwumail.gwu.edu") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu")) ((header "to" "wyousef@uvic.ca") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.uvic.ca 587 wyousef@uvic.ca")) ) ) ``` What do you suggest for this? For the pop, it is the other way around; what Gnus sends really goes to the server. However, as I explained, Gnus does not fetch the mails sent from the iphone apps. For solving this, do you suggest I turn all my pop mails to imap? Andreas Schwab writes: > The predicate is UNDRAFT. > See RFC3501 for a full list of predicates (in the SEARCH command). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 09 14:33:44 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Dec 2022 19:33:44 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3j7w-0002I4-3n for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 14:33:44 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.10]:36763) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p3j7t-0002Hy-PP for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 09 Dec 2022 14:33:42 -0500 Received: from frontend03.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.6.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTLmN44MHz1s94Q; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:33:40 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan3.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.84]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4NTLmN3Zqqz1qqlR; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:33:40 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan3.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.84]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AgCSeehz9AlI; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:33:39 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: BuVKa0aa2bKT7ytoXIgUVuAJ/PuDaoyQlSc/uNHGs1HJT4X5y+ZMiK0ZWu8bbB5/ Received: from igel.home (aftr-62-216-205-205.dynamic.mnet-online.de [62.216.205.205]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:33:39 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 7DE7C2C32F6; Fri, 9 Dec 2022 20:33:39 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> X-Yow: I'm a nuclear submarine under the polar ice cap and I need a Kleenex! Date: Fri, 09 Dec 2022 20:33:39 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:12:51 -0800") Message-ID: <87o7scz818.fsf@igel.home> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 4.5 (++++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you have the option then IMAP is always preferable over POP. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (4.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 3.5 (+++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: If you have the option then IMAP is always preferable over POP. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." Content analysis details: (3.5 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.5 RCVD_IN_SORBS_HTTP RBL: SORBS: sender is open HTTP proxy server [62.216.205.205 listed in dnsbl.sorbs.net] 2.4 RCVD_IN_SORBS_SOCKS RBL: SORBS: sender is open SOCKS proxy server -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.18.0.10 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.18.0.10 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager If you have the option then IMAP is always preferable over POP. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different." 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:6051:71ac:80b1:436f]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q42-20020a17090a17ad00b00218e8a0d7f0sm1532371pja.22.2022.12.09.11.40.00 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:40:00 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Waleed Yousef Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Date: Fri, 9 Dec 2022 11:39:49 -0800 Message-Id: <79FCAB6A-7270-401C-B10A-8463F4E20B90@fcih.net> References: <87o7scz818.fsf@igel.home> In-Reply-To: <87o7scz818.fsf@igel.home> To: Andreas Schwab X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (20B101) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Ok;=20 Still looking forward please for your advice on the first part (sending from= Gnus does not show up on the Sent folder of imap) BTW, this imap account is= I think exchange server. > On Dec 9, 2022, at 11:33 AM, Andreas Schwab wrote:= >=20 > =EF=BB=BFIf you have the option then IMAP is always preferable over POP. >=20 > --=20 > Andreas Schwab, schwab@linux-m68k.org > GPG Key fingerprint =3D 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1= > "And now for something completely different." From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 11 13:32:30 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Dec 2022 18:32:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47559 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4R7m-0001aV-ES for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:32:30 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:46906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p4R7k-0001aP-TX for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 13:32:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF484FA096; Sun, 11 Dec 2022 18:32:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1670783541; bh=VocE1P3xwk0PGcHM6imIfcIMKwK/RM+yZMKMjh11m8U=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=RZQX3PDyFiy18+fK+OHNAvLQYtAtwZU+kbRQu85R3eNqShNptasJN0js1uo6Cib4O CCgpJzUDE/PJe1HF5xh/1/yUDpdkJ8pBju1N2VdHwt3e11GtVIMJh3feWhWLS5AoLw bA1LxRvtbmFXrEV0/cUPKm+GTvDW1eYcqozYGi0Y= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Waleed Yousef Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> (Waleed Yousef's message of "Fri, 09 Dec 2022 11:12:51 -0800") References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 10:32:19 -0800 Message-ID: <87k02xdc5o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/09/22 11:12 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: > Ok; thanks so much. I think it works now for the imap except that when I > send from Gnus I cannot find the sent mail on the webmail Sent box!!! So > the snycing is one-way only. Are you using Gcc headers? 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b3-20020a637143000000b0046feb2754e5sm3867572pgn.28.2022.12.11.11.31.05 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 11 Dec 2022 11:31:06 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> <87k02xdc5o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Sun, 11 Dec 2022 11:31:00 -0800 Message-ID: <877cyxybyj.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Yes, I am using. But why this is related to the problem of not fetching the sent emails? This is my full gnus.el: ``` (setq mail-sources `( (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@fcih.net" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@aucegypt.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (pop :server "pop.gmail.com" :user "wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu" :port 995 :stream ssl :leave non-nil) (imap :server "mail.uvic.ca" :user "wyousef@uvic.ca" :port 993 :stream ssl :mailbox ("inbox" "sent items") :predicate "UPDRAFT" :fetchflag "\\Draft" ) ) ) (setq gnus-select-method '(nntp "news.gnus.org");; for news groups (between quotes, add the newsgroup server) gnus-secondary-select-methods '((nnml "")) ) (setq user-mail-address "wyousef@fcih.net" user-full-name "Waleed Yousef" smtpmail-smtp-server "smtp.gmail.com" smtpmail-smtp-service '587 send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it message-send-mail-function 'smtpmail-send-it gnus-posting-styles '( (".*" (Bcc "Waleed Yousef ")) ((header "to" "wyousef@aucegypt.edu") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 wyousef@aucegypt.edu") ("Bcc" "Waleed Yousef ")) ((header "to" "wyousef@gwumail.gwu.edu") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.gmail.com 587 wyousef@gwmail.gwu.edu")) ((header "to" "wyousef@uvic.ca") (From "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp smtp.uvic.ca 587 wyousef@uvic.ca") ("Bcc" "Waleed Yousef ") ("X-Message-SMTP-Method" "smtp mesclabs.com 465 info@mesclabs.com")) ) ) (setq nnmail-message-id-cache-length 100000 nnmail-treat-duplicates 'warn nnmail-cache-accepted-message-ids t nnmail-split-fancy '(| (: nnmail-split-fancy-with-parent) (from "\\(.*@github\\.com\\)" "ADS") "mail.misc" ) gnus-message-archive-group '( (if (not (string-empty-p gnus-newsgroup-name)) (list gnus-newsgroup-name "nnml:MySent") (list "nnml:MySent") )) gnus-gcc-mark-as-read t ) (setq gnus-search-default-engines '((nnml . gnus-search-namazu)) gnus-search-namazu-index-directory "/home/wyousef/.namazu-mail" gnus-search-use-parsed-queries t gnus-search-namazu-remove-prefix "/home/wyousef/Mail/" ) ``` Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On 12/09/22 11:12 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >> Ok; thanks so much. I think it works now for the imap except that when I >> send from Gnus I cannot find the sent mail on the webmail Sent box!!! So >> the snycing is one-way only. > > Are you using Gcc headers? My posting styles look like, eg: > > ("gmane" > (address "eric@ericabrahamsen.net") > (gcc "nnimap+Personal:Sent") > ) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Dec 16 20:03:28 2022 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Dec 2022 01:03:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52687 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p6Lbr-0003Ii-Uj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:03:28 -0500 Received: from thaodan.de ([185.216.177.71]:57026) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p6Lbm-0003Ic-NU for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Dec 2022 20:03:26 -0500 Received: from odin (dsl-trebng12-b04885-76.dhcp.inet.fi [176.72.133.76]) by thaodan.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 21B9BD01FFF; Sat, 17 Dec 2022 03:03:21 +0200 (EET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=thaodan.de; s=mail; t=1671239001; bh=F66tCCpi+mdOUgtJPacmJimu2rhBSe3hM7nCjhjegXQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=J7zRpHDR026L8hnJQx4i7JbeWzRriqukbpXKu5eoz0lt0PsYrFrha+hER8yzVydpk 86bmDkrl310dU5nDFXksdcjXOreTm8B6Vjwi3KuzH8E3EEoszYnpbVj/BcbJkbtnaF e0Rx74bitBUlEXcFB919DwLlDuDNkUiayJcmQXaIIi+uINAAsrJeRsb+VKi5hkMWLm 2AI/DecnSgOgmLXc3UTB2HGctDL6DEIm7tcG80upGL0SQcti1OJJJytkJAvRNMFdz0 aatH/pqDaZow1JeXC7rMkf6oL4RAlrb0niIQurm4yKAgtk114MiO49eytXF/QtN6wR P/3oV0s+hrAuX5Z8yrTbbP6166tLAKa/WrQYl6sVOaG0Pm9799+KTMCJFE3gEh4VQc syTkAqjNJJWPPJPmGVWLZnkXIGlUmQZhHlCD+Dqv0ct2hnDzEIZDnSULkoqmMkoICs Y6CGJ8ua/RRHZ/WDtzfbvjLxSpjEfb+5SdZU+KCeMOSStuimpeVY8ztmei5WdLfy01 BuW6DRd/GsyDWaSLpe6/99YwZ5M57/NcCHznyQgmlBwHeOzPlDmpuOe1KTQATit1zk fUVo6CoxFe/Sst694qLAt6PPydxLEZP65/q3HwUwJYETZyUO4jLrU9YvKDIhysZ8K0 cn7eB0IIdpbcOXOi7lMZmTqk= From: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device In-Reply-To: <87k02xdc5o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Sun, 11 Dec 2022 10:32:19 -0800") References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> <87k02xdc5o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2022 03:03:20 +0200 Message-ID: <87k02qrgdj.fsf@thaodan.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: 59587@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Schwab , Waleed Yousef X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > On 12/09/22 11:12 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >> Ok; thanks so much. I think it works now for the imap except that when I >> send from Gnus I cannot find the sent mail on the webmail Sent box!!! So >> the snycing is one-way only. > > Are you using Gcc headers? My posting styles look like, eg: > > ("gmane" > (address "eric@ericabrahamsen.net") > (gcc "nnimap+Personal:Sent") > ) Does this work when mail-sources is used with imap? He doesn't use nnimap so in that Gnus would either need to save to imap and then sync back or sync the local copy of the imap contents to with the sent folder that he uses. 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[2001:569:bf40:5b00:d623:749a:63ac:ed07]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 74-20020a62194d000000b0056bc742d21esm4919990pfz.176.2022.12.18.09.05.04 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 18 Dec 2022 09:05:05 -0800 (PST) From: Waleed Yousef To: =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device References: <871qpcnkei.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <678239C5-1643-452B-ACEC-1C4F2CE4BCBC@fcih.net> <87bkoc270y.fsf@igel.home> <878rjg37o0.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <874ju41rv4.fsf@fcih.net> <87v8mkr16r.fsf@fcih.net> <875yek1q0u.fsf@igel.home> <87o7sclbqt.fsf@fcih.net> <871qp81mzb.fsf@igel.home> <87tu24jw11.fsf@fcih.net> <87wn70zbpb.fsf@igel.home> <87o7scjvbf.fsf@fcih.net> <87sfhozau5.fsf@igel.home> <87ilikie6k.fsf@fcih.net> <87k02xdc5o.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> <87k02qrgdj.fsf@thaodan.de> Date: Sun, 18 Dec 2022 09:05:03 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87k02qrgdj.fsf@thaodan.de> (=?utf-8?Q?=22Bj=C3=B6rn?= Bidar"'s message of "Sat, 17 Dec 2022 03:03:20 +0200") Message-ID: <87len4ej7k.fsf@fcih.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Thanks so much for clarification. In addition to what you have said, I still have the problem of syncing wit the pop accounts. Gnus does not recieve what is sent from other devices (as I detailed in the thread) Bj=C3=B6rn Bidar writes: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > >> On 12/09/22 11:12 AM, Waleed Yousef wrote: >>> Ok; thanks so much. I think it works now for the imap except that when I >>> send from Gnus I cannot find the sent mail on the webmail Sent box!!! So >>> the snycing is one-way only. >> >> Are you using Gcc headers? My posting styles look like, eg: >> >> ("gmane" >> (address "eric@ericabrahamsen.net") >> (gcc "nnimap+Personal:Sent") >> ) > > Does this work when mail-sources is used with imap? > He doesn't use nnimap so in that Gnus would either need to save to imap > and then sync back or sync the local copy of the imap contents to with > the sent folder that he uses. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 05 11:24:06 2024 Received: (at 59587) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Mar 2024 16:24:06 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48765 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rhXaH-0000QU-P9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:24:06 -0500 Received: from mail-4317.proton.ch ([185.70.43.17]:43757) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rhXaE-0000Px-9O for 59587@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2024 11:24:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kubajecminek.cz; s=protonmail; t=1709655803; x=1709915003; bh=x/Tedhfa+TbnORsV3jVCj9GCD6tw/O9tBc3azpEPhvE=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=zW/T3BdjR2g/h2oasOx95n8pgqpG4oR2/bhHD6KB6qHKmdaXbqye4+zR/uy6G2xV5 r6F2Te5BcD+tTJbTJpIwu3+JkoUqKdZ5hNoWHWBJ7IeXqPVR+yap/TmiGm0hoEG7xO ktdI2qz8wHEUGfmLJsvOxhbHPEn2w8WLrVSvQhITh8WtWecsXCXZI689edKokE7i0J FVguABgz6kwedQL9dOWnpYfEkleeUbwT8TH0WjkkXwmPOk80RBhoPZl0Cr1wipcw7q a883PfVfjarSptVinNRx4GZLCv5hOsDhH/vELWfH20J20Q0wjYwFOj+kWc44E9fs5c z7DJUE1fKR5hg== Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2024 16:23:00 +0000 To: Waleed Yousef From: =?utf-8?Q?Jakub_Je=C4=8Dm=C3=ADnek?= Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Message-ID: <878r2wd4wv.fsf@kubajecminek.cz> Feedback-ID: 98803324:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Bidar?= , Andreas Schwab , 59587@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Waleed Yousef writes: > Thanks so much for clarification. In addition to what you have said, I > still have the problem of syncing wit the pop accounts. Gnus does not > recieve what is sent from other devices (as I detailed in the thread) Hi, this is relatively known behaviour of POP3 on Gmail (just search for "gmail sent folder pop"). Google also mentions it on their website in Troubleshooting section (citing it below). > To avoid duplicates, Gmail doesn't download emails sent within your > mail client, but you can still see them if you log in to Gmail. https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=3Den#zippy=3D%2Cemails-ar= ent-downloading-correctly I'm not aware of any workaround (maybe adding yourself to BCC to every message you send?). Best --=20 Kuba Je=C4=8Dm=C3=ADnek (http://kubajecminek.cz) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Apr 01 17:08:58 2024 Received: (at 59587-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Apr 2024 21:08:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51857 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rrOtm-0000Bq-HU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2024 17:08:58 -0400 Received: from mail-4323.proton.ch ([185.70.43.23]:43231) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1rrOtj-0000BY-EZ for 59587-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Apr 2024 17:08:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=kubajecminek.cz; s=protonmail; t=1712005724; x=1712264924; bh=MY/nUGkm6dgIyDK5UFu2ImyyBebQflK4pq+pYq/eyHI=; h=Date:To:From:Cc:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID:BIMI-Selector; b=I0RWExXF4omMrk4ovDCY9Pq3k0cVjkwC/8NpRG7ItqjrO8DO0z4kcwTgKooU8brVW d1GR1tfV5Dbion9Fm2KY7xU0YkuGARVNO9fDWkq0I+2tCc+QWSnpu15esvnPX43UHZ EmgsnikhNOkRNUc6Sw3+ZBi9Q8qVHRGcaddPda8uws06lNsnfVVIqPP2HsshyvBSHI rSv6mhjPIFP0Vm9oJXYNB+tGytwSI4EibfirqM/yvNS82zmJl6KxtpzxiobCA4A1lx uU1MrJXuNFKs9EBRH/eN2rF0AIRLDs096HFC+OCyvNH+yjisVEQOfd2V+5yrfYYgAE pPHkR+tpP64uw== Date: Mon, 01 Apr 2024 21:08:34 +0000 To: Waleed Yousef From: =?utf-8?Q?Jakub_Je=C4=8Dm=C3=ADnek?= Subject: Re: bug#59587: 28.2; gnus does not retrieve emails sent from another device Message-ID: <87msqcvliv.fsf@kubajecminek.cz> Feedback-ID: 98803324:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59587-done Cc: Eric Abrahamsen , =?utf-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Bidar?= , Andreas Schwab , 59587-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) Jakub Je=C4=8Dm=C3=ADnek writes: > Waleed Yousef writes: > >> Thanks so much for clarification. In addition to what you have said, I >> still have the problem of syncing wit the pop accounts. Gnus does not >> recieve what is sent from other devices (as I detailed in the thread) > > Hi, this is relatively known behaviour of POP3 on Gmail (just search for > "gmail sent folder pop"). Google also mentions it on their website in > Troubleshooting section (citing it below). > >> To avoid duplicates, Gmail doesn't download emails sent within your >> mail client, but you can still see them if you log in to Gmail. > > https://support.google.com/mail/answer/7104828?hl=3Den#zippy=3D%2Cemails-= arent-downloading-correctly > > I'm not aware of any workaround (maybe adding yourself to BCC to every > message you send?). The discussion has been dormant for a while and also I'm pretty sure that this report is not related to Gnus so I'm going to close it. However, if you feel otherwise, please feel free to reopen. 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