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Reply-To: bug#59341 <59341@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2025 04:12:22 +0000 retitle 59341 29.0.50; Lisp files with other encoding than UTF-8? reassign 59341 emacs submitter 59341 Stefan Kangas severity 59341 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 17 14:39:00 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2022 19:39:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34386 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkiv-00029T-G6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:38:59 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:49906) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkip-00029G-LT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:38:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkio-0001qm-Ht for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:38:51 -0500 Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkin-0005rF-51 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:38:50 -0500 Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id db10-20020a0568306b0a00b0066d43e80118so1735018otb.1 for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:48 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date:message-id:reply-to; bh=K5D4Ca6dkPPE9PWOKhZ/hQ4OJJrV/HAlxssvl5/wLYk=; b=nVtD36H5DzUFuSP2rdwlfOgRlrOz2GwEr6bECD5JTHLhIdiTXQAvYgAVhpZLYjfhtN Fo/EDt8b2lbifgk0SWMHnRXww8d5hBKaOtj0+S3w0dLSrJKUdcwuQLdCatlzGphdnQnj IucMKQ8mFWym0wqzvYJ3NK2AYgNuhCE401RqfwR/fz1yT9V7Ij7fJniPr67yVGrcJ7N3 GW5N0fKzCOtbiW9s+ov5eGo6GIBp0Zz2tj66aIyno9Ie/qzvT0tV/EHK2sRcZonun3ko MVECWKcQtM4f5bjNb1IMcDfZGugpWOs3dCYFRpOAiGKIcFR8v6gGS66ZjVryrBsDu5ce Fobw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=K5D4Ca6dkPPE9PWOKhZ/hQ4OJJrV/HAlxssvl5/wLYk=; b=d5p67SWeFW1Y9eqRdjTOCzNg183V0Xn8iT+aB5uMoFbUsodrGkiT2crF9I8nelkpxR LypYa8Xu3/T1GLuNyFyswQa6gEUCabZ2Tm3ezIyic14Y9eNuKvoW3niP3CsWzJpaQV3g 7oBtJz2+NO1fDHhqcN37FoZYgl4c7wQHKKpAJyNubrOY5EJtqqm2d/4EhqRY7fp4o8us aaq0k3mjN4Sg6yocxCQJD7qc1xyP6dVTcYOxbVaFyB7zFu+RDW+MqxGSsxPR4Mqo2gfa aDQDwLy9NdaUhSwVwLzT4D4zi5n5iuKlRPOmgV09gZFIYuKOux1hBPILJXPvG6wuGqp/ oJMw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmnNrnnZuTlMktsoCMb2e1Tb+CB8b+XTWwqppuw9PF7DA0A7T2Y Nyi87sCxiQRZJ1lvvWHIjZw91ZT7Wlg1NQ9vwMcR4zdZ X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5kDQMA64OJINtoJN0r0Rv0lf2llA6eawzlERWXw5FJnXdtNbW5a4vV7K57M58fzjXLYIUIvJiwnhVsIG96WVI= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:70cc:0:b0:66c:5232:b9d1 with SMTP id w12-20020a9d70cc000000b0066c5232b9d1mr2151980otj.224.1668713926551; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:46 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas X-Hashcash: 1:20:221117:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::g/pqgkENW76uT48W:0hBz MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:46 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: 29.0.50; Lisp files with other encoding than UTF-8? To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::330; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ot1-x330.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I noticed that codespell was having trouble with one of our files (ethio-util.el), refusing to read it as UTF-8. This lead to some unexpected and unwanted behavior. So I took a closer look and found that several files in lisp/ appear to be use some other encoding than UTF-8: $ cd lisp ; for f in $(git ls-files|egrep '.el$'); \ do file $f | grep -v UTF-8 | grep -v " ASCII" ; \ done ; cd - international/titdic-cnv.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators language/ethio-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators language/ethiopic.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text language/ind-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators language/tibet-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators language/tibetan.el: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators leim/quail/ethiopic.el: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators leim/quail/tibetan.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators Should these files be converted to UTF-8? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 17 14:54:15 2022 Received: (at 59341) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2022 19:54:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34430 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkxj-0002ZP-AI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:54:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:44036) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkxd-0002Z9-UE for 59341@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:54:13 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkxY-0000Iq-LK; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:54:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=p3ao8FytNFtBO1Lx192Tkjna8d/Z9FdoILVk+cxtvkA=; b=YKh0284YBS8X G12gv5RW9bBmupklB3fYSH1Cs86uJ99vGGYmPrvGuyFOWs54+JTxbzJsDeaVAKjEp0ZjDS9AY5WVg xjBG7vYJN+BF71OXwZiT6abPaocZCLT0l5F6l5zHXpv4CaF1Bt9QiWAfwg9+2ZP+KAEKpIEqdMald 1d+TmYAcCooJbyxzTIONT9uvaVTjJXf6ViAN3G3z43tg0ORHDVoVtJFOf1xTA5h34rkjSvRQIxtqB 4Q9rtjgLqSL4ahIEDaV+Ca4iikfd5wVEDsCeTMnpXSxy11ijITjvfSUZQoj5DFP7sUBv8TA2BrI7e XZ1n7MW3c/0MXKDam1lDVg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovkxY-0002jp-3x; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 14:54:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 21:54:04 +0200 Message-Id: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:46 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#59341: 29.0.50; Lisp files with other encoding than UTF-8? References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 11:38:46 -0800 > > I noticed that codespell was having trouble with one of our files > (ethio-util.el), refusing to read it as UTF-8. This lead to some > unexpected and unwanted behavior. > > So I took a closer look and found that several files in lisp/ appear to > be use some other encoding than UTF-8: > > $ cd lisp ; for f in $(git ls-files|egrep '.el$'); \ > do file $f | grep -v UTF-8 | grep -v " ASCII" ; \ > done ; cd - > international/titdic-cnv.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO > extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators > language/ethio-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII > text, with LF, NEL line terminators > language/ethiopic.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII text > language/ind-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII > text, with LF, NEL line terminators > language/tibet-util.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII > text, with LF, NEL line terminators > language/tibetan.el: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line terminators > leim/quail/ethiopic.el: Non-ISO extended-ASCII text, with LF, NEL line > terminators > leim/quail/tibetan.el: Lisp/Scheme program, Non-ISO extended-ASCII > text, with LF, NEL line terminators > > Should these files be converted to UTF-8? No. AFAIR, they are in utf-8-emacs because they include characters beyond the Unicode range, which UTF-8 cannot encode. See, for example, the codepoints that start around line 645 in ind-util.el, which are used for converting between IS 13194 (ISCII) and Unicode. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 17 23:14:18 2022 Received: (at 59341) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2022 04:14:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34853 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovsld-0006ua-Oj for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:14:18 -0500 Received: from mail-oa1-f54.google.com ([209.85.160.54]:35629) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovslb-0006uM-Ch for 59341@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 23:14:16 -0500 Received: by mail-oa1-f54.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-142612a5454so4035565fac.2 for <59341@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:15 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aXPwD/c0Xu5pK2zKizwFa7aOZkqeKmBXNFRq4UHehoE=; b=hBrFxVAGqo7cs/uKOeg+IbhvC6+sTgHIBcNODBrfjFMFpnoZprztVwRP+aN0qKB3ak BSuV1+X0dNphuTbm1UxmCf9xo8LiwOPSjlhzUdC4pAUow22T1ZGWh9P2sknNt53cBDlF ceU7Yle0NIVa926syor6spvMF+3ke8c1Woam/GSn2zG4WCifmGnFbiXuvXIwsgmee03Z yE0chDIdAECpqZC9+rgzv6EN4ATWpAiiMRxten8l7+5LxFWHmQZBERI3nfmZJW/7+FTk tSl0rqj51q51XwVfl619wqSa3vZRwu0p/5AQ3/pmYlEVm590gkL+nFCsHDaxt0PSPTUI 5yvg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=aXPwD/c0Xu5pK2zKizwFa7aOZkqeKmBXNFRq4UHehoE=; b=iZnyYz/GjdMcsQFbLhiENjbI0rWlwRid5iKfuP5wiGaUAJXOwqIUjcxERYvTdVdBLX s5EBlRQcbUSNhhVT7tBwduv4sZVeHOTU/chol3qBHVxgGR2SZSTm39LSENRwW4k7yD6S TbI/AT7OrvPrUtdJoM7h3Z0wdl/zlrqmaZ02insElhePzH2frFszQfw6RpezWNAf4oYC H5AlSi1aYvDQMmUgU8u3cRE9oek2Uge/Ekk8j0zp+cno5P+EM+6e1wAHJL8Ch+S45wsg pdCLN8DkBCqW7EfOaf8nrohkyjiw+PZbDggj7FYcflrkbsnzFO2XJ8i3UsDtWGMcd3Kz g7Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmE/I6g3RrZq+b/5cNhIalBXnFLGAa6th1mzVfevvwcLPofiU1e aVCWpO4oKJVih2DBfAETmHcwMuKGU8Plfp/ZPYw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf7YFnMPfNMz7+fnG2k1XC0x7VKl1CqhO68a0A1yEVz8OoVGVe8toUPb0Ub3XCGNitP1jlPqSa1lgXksFEFrePo= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:c34a:b0:13b:8a07:2a1f with SMTP id e10-20020a056870c34a00b0013b8a072a1fmr6185744oak.199.1668744849678; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:09 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> References: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221118:59341@debbugs.gnu.org::IexaoKVQwzym7BSx:6eQp MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:09 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#59341: 29.0.50; Lisp files with other encoding than UTF-8? To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > No. AFAIR, they are in utf-8-emacs because they include characters > beyond the Unicode range, which UTF-8 cannot encode. See, for > example, the codepoints that start around line 645 in ind-util.el, > which are used for converting between IS 13194 (ISCII) and Unicode. I see, thanks. Do we need these characters to be raw bytes in the source code though? I was thinking of a change similar to the below, which would incidentally make it a bit easier to read the code. diff --git a/lisp/language/ind-util.el b/lisp/language/ind-util.el index e2a21820f4..16161319ef 100644 --- a/lisp/language/ind-util.el +++ b/lisp/language/ind-util.el @@ -644,9 +644,9 @@ indian-dev-aiba-decode-region ;;Unicode vs IS13194 ;; only Devanagari is supported now. ((ucs-devanagari-to-is13194-alist '((?\x0900 . "[U+0900]") - (?\x0901 . " ") - (?\x0902 . " ") - (?\x0903 . " ") + (?\x0901 . "?\x180000") + (?\x0902 . "?\x180001") + (?\x0903 . "?\x180002") (?\x0904 . "[U+0904]") [and so on] This change would also avoid confusing external tools. For example, the code is completely unreadable in many external viewers, such as: https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/language/ind-util.el#L647 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 18 02:57:16 2022 Received: (at 59341) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2022 07:57:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35173 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwFQ-0004gG-4g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:57:16 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56396) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwFN-0004g3-Ve for 59341@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:57:15 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwFI-00020D-OT; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:57:08 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=iqilO0JkirOBdHHppdaWgyagRkCH1Np9gslYDqXc9NE=; b=fLUjJkeRXoez lQR5mV7+bWcAGttDr+FV7YPo0v9zK8/cvDCXAKY+WAPjhh2IgCSLyXIxCCQVA9DGx6zT3M7DxHUgJ jThggLiBhynrWEBg/wif4/bMDTO1b1DEo6+TL1dW5LdGKoi4EJFhXA75i3S1FVM+cw53iPLkVLkzY xfDyREl6J6tJEpJPFSpi5tbB+co4VOJag+lsdpGIMN50S71UsKBQj+9KwDu47xx1I/3ePQKgAAp/Y rf3vRZbRi0tM1mZchNo3mfwFEwOhnPSE7P0TiNHFEtmEEB90QE4GqYgWyooYPj6O4ZuM+vvGBYhLz xwJKrVhkYfVRKvMvjX9AMA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwFI-0005nL-68; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 02:57:08 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 09:57:11 +0200 Message-Id: <834juwd7ag.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:09 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#59341: 29.0.50; Lisp files with other encoding than UTF-8? References: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 20:14:09 -0800 > Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > No. AFAIR, they are in utf-8-emacs because they include characters > > beyond the Unicode range, which UTF-8 cannot encode. See, for > > example, the codepoints that start around line 645 in ind-util.el, > > which are used for converting between IS 13194 (ISCII) and Unicode. > > I see, thanks. > > Do we need these characters to be raw bytes in the source code though? (They are not raw bytes, they are UTF-8 encoded sequences, except that the encoding uses more bytes than the "official" UTF-8 allows. IOW, we have there encoded codepoints beyond u+0010FFFF, not raw bytes.) Yes we need them to appear as characters, because then they will be displayed as glyphs if you have a suitable font, and in the context such as this one it is very important to _see_ the character, if only understand the mapping and to detect mistakes in it. However, I think we should add a note in the Commentary section about these subtleties, so that whoever next is bothered about this will be able to have their questions answered. > This change would also avoid confusing external tools. For example, the > code is completely unreadable in many external viewers, such as: > > https://github.com/emacs-mirror/emacs/blob/master/lisp/language/ind-util.el#L647 I'm not too bothered about this. Emacs sources are best viewed with Emacs, and there's no way around this. 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To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > However, I think we should add a note in the Commentary section about > these subtleties, so that whoever next is bothered about this will be > able to have their questions answered. How about adding something like this to the Commentary section of the relevant files (i.e. the list I posted originally): ;; Note that this file contains non-Unicode characters, which are ;; needed for certain conversions. See the discussion in Bug#59341. 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References: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> <834juwd7ag.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:11:15 -0800 > Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > However, I think we should add a note in the Commentary section about > > these subtleties, so that whoever next is bothered about this will be > > able to have their questions answered. > > How about adding something like this to the Commentary section of the > relevant files (i.e. the list I posted originally): > > ;; Note that this file contains non-Unicode characters, which are > ;; needed for certain conversions. See the discussion in Bug#59341. I'd rather describe the reason in more detail there. I can do this myself if you prefer. 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To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'd rather describe the reason in more detail there. > > I can do this myself if you prefer. Yes, that would be much appreciated. Thank you. 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To: Drew Adams Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "59341@debbugs.gnu.org" <59341@debbugs.gnu.org> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams writes: > > ;; Note that this file contains non-Unicode characters, which are > > ;; needed for certain conversions. See the discussion in Bug#59341. > > Why send readers off to a bug thread? Wouldn't it > be better to summarize the important info here? Yes, but unlike Eli, I don't have many expert things to say here. Luckily, Eli offered to write up something better. 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References: <83iljdcq77.fsf@gnu.org> <834juwd7ag.fsf@gnu.org> <83mt8obhih.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59341-done Cc: 59341-done@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 18:14:50 +0100 > Cc: 59341@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I'd rather describe the reason in more detail there. > > > > I can do this myself if you prefer. > > Yes, that would be much appreciated. Thank you. Done, and closing the bug. From unknown Mon Aug 11 21:12:22 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. 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