From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:11:47 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#59258 <59258@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#59258 <59258@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete Reply-To: bug#59258 <59258@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2025 05:11:47 +0000 retitle 59258 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete reassign 59258 emacs submitter 59258 Rafael Beirigo severity 59258 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 14 18:14:19 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Nov 2022 23:14:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51215 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ouieg-0008PX-IV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:14:19 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:58424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ouieM-0008JR-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:14:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouieM-0002HE-59 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 18:13:58 -0500 Received: from mail-oa1-x2c.google.com ([2001:4860:4864:20::2c]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouful-00061y-FE for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 15:18:45 -0500 Received: by mail-oa1-x2c.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-12c8312131fso13805841fac.4 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:18:43 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:subject:to:from:from:to:cc :subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CFil1+ZD4cKsheSYfFQBV8Pp0yk5BlQQQmpShH3J0+0=; b=ia47XFJGaGjsps8QVBWfj8rotAiNJD2oPJ/O7iqdTJRrMIjIgroOCRwcKcO5Xujp3k F4RYgHN2nV/wSWfr8shaB/zjZDC5GhY+2xJ0FCtznqOfDXj1j64EcIrGf2borak4dDsV XpXd9gT19TjDkMLfupA719KSXhOi4wv1mlUV0fuwZhQ/5yJoSj4s5tGxbWtxWkosWiH8 zrTt49KuzDam4EbnopC2Asx5AE6d9CTU1a0ugvCvpPWL3AesH6jyaKKyFYmY5iMj3i1o E1lCI21Ndvdkk7bpsH4f1zOy6HxAd9Q/7VVtvdp0IWritfqFLpbCsAzm6a6ClkiuU3/A h1HA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:subject:to:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=CFil1+ZD4cKsheSYfFQBV8Pp0yk5BlQQQmpShH3J0+0=; b=bIVGvXN7waNdYF/XJvJGrMDnMqtk5TPdMMhBcb9IaGwEm48yekWyfwVAW0EYoztU1s gPTedDBGAaF/J8JSOxBGsn/0+93UMVVBcmnvc+sq9pXVICdz3L4632wxbk4PMdnvE4Ac kx9hOMyQt6giTMTSl0JI5J+7oiKxVqIt6lXrUca2AcNCtcruWAX44sfR1QhkCGFBrJwR PWKud3Bo+DHJHUzera//nIf8qo+PJBThEwVALHM/GwxkM/CVSXEXYPUPNqoqSlv4cqkI r41XvPsTL8vjclcoIBrys9gpHgm10W/wOxc2x48BU1F0iVWUcCYhsLuhC1NJLhCuId1S EQDw== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5plLTpMSvS+BWq9N95QK3yvcfsFiejnB2j1cbXcKLnbEp9sGMHsR gWkeWIrsG+Pl6fN25QJXrt+qEn8SL30= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf5AjCxDcqW0Qs41rEVNlhVmz0HRcKcofBQvVdYcIY050yPZ8C8PVwheX1dEIZbfuwS8WnvbFw== X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:f28b:b0:13b:8822:bfbb with SMTP id u11-20020a056870f28b00b0013b8822bfbbmr7703165oap.259.1668457121681; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:18:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from bach ([2804:56c:83dc:5d00:7761:c2ab:8ae:ba1]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x1-20020a9d5881000000b00661a16f14a1sm4473229otg.15.2022.11.14.12.18.39 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-CHACHA20-POLY1305 bits=256/256); Mon, 14 Nov 2022 12:18:40 -0800 (PST) From: Rafael Beirigo To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 17:18:37 -0300 Message-ID: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:4860:4864:20::2c; envelope-from=rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com; helo=mail-oa1-x2c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I just reported a bug on https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/pdf/emacs_7x9.pdf but I just saw the listing Index of /software/emacs/manual/pdf [ICO] Name Last modified Size Description ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- [PARENTDIR] Parent Directory - [ ] eintr.pdf 2022-10-12 22:46 1.0M [ ] elisp.pdf 2022-10-12 22:46 4.6M [ ] elisp_7x9_vol1.pdf 2013-07-05 12:08 3.3M [ ] elisp_7x9_vol2.pdf 2013-07-05 12:08 3.2M [ ] emacs-xtra.pdf 2022-10-12 22:46 373K [ ] emacs.pdf 2022-10-12 22:46 2.8M [ ] emacs_7x9.pdf 2013-07-05 12:08 3.7M Instead of fixing the bug I reported, I suggest the old files are removed. These are the one mentioned above and two more: emacs_7x9.pdf elisp_7x9_vol1.pdf elisp_7x9_vol2.pdf In GNU Emacs 28.2 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-11-08 built on bach Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12004000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster) Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSELINUX LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: PDFView Minor modes in effect: global-git-commit-mode: t magit-auto-revert-mode: t pdf-sync-minor-mode: t pdf-annot-minor-mode: t pdf-outline-minor-mode: t pdf-links-minor-mode: t pdf-history-minor-mode: t electric-pair-mode: t pdf-occur-global-minor-mode: t pdf-isearch-minor-mode: t pdf-misc-context-menu-minor-mode: t pdf-misc-menu-bar-minor-mode: t pdf-misc-size-indication-minor-mode: t pdf-misc-minor-mode: t pdf-cache-prefetch-minor-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t windmove-mode: t display-time-mode: t savehist-mode: t desktop-save-mode: t tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t overwrite-mode: overwrite-mode-textual Load-path shadows: /home/rafa/.emacs.d/elpa/transient-20221028.1430/transient hides /usr/local/share/emacs/28.2/lisp/transient Features: (chistory smiley gnus-cite gnus-bcklg gnus-async gnus-ml disp-table nndraft nnmh nnml nnfolder utf-7 gnus-agent gnus-srvr gnus-score score-mode nnvirtual nntp gnus-cache gnutls network-stream nsm mailalias smtpmail qp shadow sort emacsbug sendmail mail-extr gnus-msg gnus-art mm-uu mml2015 mm-view mml-smime smime dig gnus-sum shr kinsoku svg dom gnus-group gnus-undo gnus-start gnus-dbus gnus-cloud nnimap nnmail mail-source utf7 netrc nnoo gnus-spec gnus-int gnus-range gnus-win gnus nnheader completion latexenc minibuf-eldef mb-depth icomplete cus-start magit-bookmark magit-submodule magit-obsolete magit-popup magit-blame magit-stash magit-reflog magit-bisect magit-push magit-pull magit-fetch magit-clone magit-remote magit-commit magit-sequence magit-notes magit-worktree magit-tag magit-merge magit-branch magit-reset magit-files magit-refs magit-status magit magit-repos magit-apply magit-wip magit-log which-func magit-diff smerge-mode diff git-commit log-edit pcvs-util add-log magit-core magit-autorevert magit-margin magit-transient magit-process with-editor server magit-mode transient magit-git magit-base magit-section crm dash compat-27 compat-26 compat compat-macs cl-print eieio-opt speedbar ezimage dframe shortdoc etags fileloop xref project help-fns radix-tree misearch multi-isearch thingatpt org-clock hl-line diary-lib diary-loaddefs cal-iso face-remap mule-util rmailmm message rmc puny rfc822 mml mml-sec epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader mail-parse rfc2231 rmail rmail-loaddefs rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils make-mode sh-script smie executable ox-beamer ox-odt rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn nxml-parse nxml-ns nxml-enc xmltok nxml-util ox-latex ox-icalendar ox-html table ox-ascii ox-publish ox conf-mode pdf-sync pdf-annot facemenu pdf-outline pdf-links pdf-history org-element avl-tree generator cl-extra help-mode org-habit org-agenda dired-aux autorevert filenotify vc-git diff-mode vc-dispatcher notifications dbus xml elec-pair cc-styles cc-align cc-engine cc-vars cc-defs pdf-occur ibuf-ext ibuffer ibuffer-loaddefs tablist tablist-filter semantic/wisent/comp semantic/wisent semantic/wisent/wisent semantic/util-modes semantic/util semantic semantic/tag semantic/lex semantic/fw mode-local cedet pdf-isearch let-alist pdf-misc imenu pdf-tools cus-edit wid-edit pdf-view bookmark pp jka-compr pdf-cache pdf-info tq pdf-util pdf-macs image-mode dired dired-loaddefs exif holidays hol-loaddefs org-tempo tempo ob-shell ob-python python tramp-sh tramp tramp-loaddefs trampver tramp-integration files-x tramp-compat shell parse-time ls-lisp org-id org-refile org ob ob-tangle ob-ref ob-lob ob-table ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint org-pcomplete pcomplete org-list org-faces org-entities noutline outline easy-mmode org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval org-table oc-basic bibtex iso8601 time-date ol rx org-keys oc org-compat advice org-macs org-loaddefs format-spec find-func cal-menu calendar cal-loaddefs org-install windmove grep compile text-property-search comint ansi-color ring whitespace time cus-load edmacro kmacro savehist desktop frameset finder-inf org2blog-autoloads info package browse-url url url-proxy url-privacy url-expand url-methods url-history url-cookie url-domsuf url-util mailcap url-handlers url-parse auth-source cl-seq eieio eieio-core cl-macs eieio-loaddefs password-cache json subr-x map url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-loaddefs cl-lib iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 875617 74051) (symbols 48 59596 3) (strings 32 227699 32143) (string-bytes 1 19631274) (vectors 16 89881) (vector-slots 8 1739411 93948) (floats 8 23068 3675) (intervals 56 19305 0) (buffers 992 93)) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 14 22:20:14 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2022 03:20:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52410 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oumUc-0006pN-Mw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:20:14 -0500 Received: from mail-ot1-f41.google.com ([209.85.210.41]:46796) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oumUa-0006ox-D8 for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 22:20:08 -0500 Received: by mail-ot1-f41.google.com with SMTP id m7-20020a9d6447000000b0066da0504b5eso1510379otl.13 for <59258@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:08 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=B5vVRKa50lJhgyky1K60+v50c9vtk5j0K8heaOGvAK8=; b=p/z6ZZ9QMWgjvdtKrxsEZmqL3eMCLFu6zMr0b82Ir3T2VeZvAjVrbw9s1l8mhO9HPk 8tpnhD3ihT0/9lKYvE+wzqyt2fEBF0MptsOueLsIY/GF4o90Ms7hhj/uShJNxX0s9g3X TirAElrt7ycagnS/6UPKu7vf2cCJ30xpMRIFsZtHsh6MhNjUF9kfWDMVEDb1HqurGy1t o1Du8ggtShAIix34Cal27zrpEHDAxRKhd00MSzEC4RG7DK3Ewmz/eJboF6pzO+h0Yq2l TqZW5QBnUzB5Iyr7+E8IAJdeZfWwolLp4QU+hVOTGzltmJZ47Rs+nzmPt9lNtiAP6vPs +ZCw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=B5vVRKa50lJhgyky1K60+v50c9vtk5j0K8heaOGvAK8=; b=2P7uGBQg5++lNkLUpIg5qYOVOn1G9+gGp7vRa/1l1gpglPh3ob/5Sb4nhkgKi123MC 8a2AYL2v7Dn2HiQCZh9UYIRJRs40OsAuUXXsZylx13S7qZNKH4d/bsWI1tI37KphZGAC v5NmJ8hz+Mcq8oSHYLzxV8KT62BWeUj3xif3ReDYdmgFKCvnHhbejReYtj/ip0pivJnB 9yODftp98NFHCLOTevfwxa+IHmzPR4j5y82wmCcEz4tJ9Uwf+ABGsBh1l2P7YpZ8K5uq 8a0JgdQnybBG8yJKUJZtw3R/auO1aCaWZw0fHLWWY93MlEuF1BsHFuGDAxMckPvP+I6d gJmQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5plD013gdRB0Ii6kAjVZch9zjqHzOnPZ/3W6X8/pg45JmYbUu7nW 5BoHmblTDBS/BC8vj76Wj8Rj3blvkzQOT1NoVW0= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf4lKmu+Qy4Pcr3KHg3a8/sLP92iIAQ9h3Ohf/Js7apupI2WdrqPmT62ELTgN3BuAiyqhBN2Cq5UsUqPdLsUSmU= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4f10:0:b0:66c:5232:b9d1 with SMTP id d16-20020a9d4f10000000b0066c5232b9d1mr7566962otl.224.1668482402873; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:02 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:02 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221115:eliz@gnu.org::/4adG/IHXMQ/GG7W:35VL MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:02 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete To: Rafael Beirigo , 59258@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Rafael Beirigo writes: > Instead of fixing the bug I reported, I suggest the old files are > removed. These are the one mentioned above and two more: > > emacs_7x9.pdf > elisp_7x9_vol1.pdf > elisp_7x9_vol2.pdf These files seem to be for the PDF for the print editions released in 2013, but I might be wrong. It seems like we anyways aren't keeping an online archive of the PDF for all print editions, so I guess deleting them could avoid some confusion. Eli? Richard? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 15 08:39:55 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Nov 2022 13:39:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53453 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ouwAN-0002hJ-0e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:39:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50138) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ouwAK-0002h6-SM for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:39:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouwAF-0005AK-KJ; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:39:47 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=NBRBkPEn6riozq5D8E2EE4JjFfcQHKOf0KWD8HkIFw8=; b=TdUfqmJ3KMv9 oJeczxLsqunEu3rXhvM9lMUqA/t0WXuAZ0gERx+XSM8D7TX9OLQYxN8kiEwstrOZhTXF1eFqmOlrb lFeeUG0//0HhhTMVWIEFFe+uLUq7VET5Mlws1bguoTkhbkP9gELIU0dzvfnWqwkbRRlrWZyxvegB8 U9TOtkkvkF/NG1Ag5LmCa4qXf8tHEn/r9sY3m2x7RWidQZAjcXnRQemVNlOo34f5WRI+dhK1nZwKI IA01JxSVNpj3Rq6THHrLuWdL2KwcZu+4IN09SSDQ8tmdvvwq2D2Qf3U31r3CgSde7WiMQqwf1Z8qv se+V3IRfebS1OMKeMd6aVA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ouwAE-0001fT-Nv; Tue, 15 Nov 2022 08:39:47 -0500 Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:40:00 +0200 Message-Id: <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:02 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2022 19:20:02 -0800 > Cc: rms@gnu.org, eliz@gnu.org > > Rafael Beirigo writes: > > > Instead of fixing the bug I reported, I suggest the old files are > > removed. These are the one mentioned above and two more: > > > > emacs_7x9.pdf > > elisp_7x9_vol1.pdf > > elisp_7x9_vol2.pdf > > These files seem to be for the PDF for the print editions released in > 2013, but I might be wrong. > > It seems like we anyways aren't keeping an online archive of the PDF for > all print editions, so I guess deleting them could avoid some confusion. > > Eli? Richard? AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another edition, someone may wish to look at these to see how they decorated the book etc. So I'd rather rename them to avoid confusion, and leave them there. Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 16 03:05:22 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2022 08:05:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovDQA-0004Gz-7f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 03:05:22 -0500 Received: from mail-ot1-f46.google.com ([209.85.210.46]:39657) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovDQ7-0004Gj-LX for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 03:05:20 -0500 Received: by mail-ot1-f46.google.com with SMTP id br15-20020a056830390f00b0061c9d73b8bdso9978567otb.6 for <59258@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:19 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DO0LpFkzCvCh9sR8AXQWkRRCC+iNcfxsIS+0hxbvloI=; b=l0xKJLGr+FclnXLj9uM+rd7bUUygtOtT3/OSUnoTf23ShcxZLedczxqa8A+KhuXAQL 054vT2xWS9ps08fGVstgQ7atI9NOvIvwBRGupA8qCqAT5oFtDLzoZ55e4ifZIh43F+Ve NZAsZ3wgE1iZztm+JSlIrrHeFlD5oIeaIxghZetn+jZFPKPu4mve91fYxqHXmo+nLNKi NPdPh2tl6cHKP1IFfyGjIPFvWpCtFkV2uB40PmLZG404FTv57aK24f2h5iHdkA7wNJQI u+JqmlPHx2KikVVp9SxeK1I0htAlrEEOcy9bvzpgXBwY75iBpnkZIWAMPB3E27ZyG5Nt D48w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=DO0LpFkzCvCh9sR8AXQWkRRCC+iNcfxsIS+0hxbvloI=; b=ACa+YyCxoUSafcWFn0mZ2kydgnhEQEpESOjtF/gcNpAoxv52oVN8Vyl/IQDQtQNSF1 vDZEf+6c1/C8ZnVHh7ZMrmtUPFNaKD5KXV27p9udefYdvvXeIeF/cZEAP8KHTcu2p+Hz PI4YWe3hjbQ1Kb3tVP4YL306Koz98Rru8bhWhyGE1Gl4VJyqFo3Yfg64z+ei0Xu/wQbc fpz0h1rgSp/bImQBNS587fbP7X3HZzSIpDb6uO4zC+PUWFOwCRmKQi7oKEeONz6RM/GF kpn1e5c2ttaifYHAZsLixVxWUJJ4JCV8Ol+48EUC58o6twfEc4Yomiq3CskHLigo2qv5 VfRQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5plzIbsLdmQ2Nk/UM3VnFdSAbsBxpr5Xmf4GV+r5Vys68Abn7z+e 282/m9Iig9qi+L/qCxqgf4KZ5Z8Q4Fif8uNCjJk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf6kr8t/zeGxz6gdPJQuVq53hDQ3ULyN1PzP4E4/vhb9N/fS7eJ36Xty4Z1iu2WAIcgmSS8fnDuXLGbY9wriP2I= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:4f10:0:b0:66c:5232:b9d1 with SMTP id d16-20020a9d4f10000000b0066c5232b9d1mr10102438otl.224.1668585913888; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:13 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221116:eliz@gnu.org::gbWhBojs71jeufeR:7vUt MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:13 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd > rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another > edition, someone may wish to look at these to see how they decorated > the book etc. So I'd rather rename them to avoid confusion, and leave > them there. How about moving them to a subdirectory "old", does that sound okay? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 16 08:17:35 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Nov 2022 13:17:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovIII-0008Nv-WC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:17:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42954) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovIIF-0008Nd-KC for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:17:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovIIA-0007DI-CO; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:17:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9NiO7hyTE7puY3RT4JQKVMgP0PP60jU0qrjc4l+9EBs=; b=kEubAIYLosGc fGsSpRRFZqRO2ZldDNKwtGrGPPk8o3Gqvo47sbGsQsWsTbX/yQur5Zh8pNHbXq/QotjE6rMHbb1Su uAC/+SYQbikuo6k9VZQe3ppniExBqO/0O2FHTb5qdOUb0rvI489o0UcQFkuWNuGXFFkB78VYu3F2Z FEd7aagPB0+FYKFWizDcFt3CM+kMZebZpEOM18Um3nYWaVcGK7wLidxaQlaRtDG58vBc0Pxzrta64 nLNkdEqNQUpGNR1t8WWpCW6YjGn1EgGU9cNT1RxQv6LrYfIgtRDOziSTDyGAwuvFhau0pMjfCd2g9 369kiLaRCM6IZ3h9QphRFQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovII9-0007Qn-H9; Wed, 16 Nov 2022 08:17:25 -0500 Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 15:17:24 +0200 Message-Id: <83fsejghsr.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:13 -0800) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Stefan Kangas > Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2022 00:05:13 -0800 > Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd > > rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another > > edition, someone may wish to look at these to see how they decorated > > the book etc. So I'd rather rename them to avoid confusion, and leave > > them there. > > How about moving them to a subdirectory "old", does that sound okay? I'm okay with a subdirectory, but let's use a better name for it, for example 'printed_books' or something to that effect. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 17 05:38:40 2022 Received: (at 59258-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2022 10:38:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59260 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovcI3-00043a-P8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 05:38:39 -0500 Received: from mail-oa1-f42.google.com ([209.85.160.42]:46003) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovcI1-00043M-Ef for 59258-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 05:38:37 -0500 Received: by mail-oa1-f42.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-13be3ef361dso1638200fac.12 for <59258-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:38:37 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yBJKQI2z3ZFRN3zoX3TH8hdiLKmBGmqwQMsi13ezMDg=; b=ZuHBt3NBYlWBDTjxtkehiH0HD/6Va/fzAvKuu/2DO/fNLTUInE4t/TbylQu36AvNsV ZwYNwK0mZGpEPVAfT5LaGv+loSFze3lYBooUBmpb+HurTQPJ+bdNejmirYQuM3D0j8hJ PbrZKjZy55SHTWKFbmh7Tv4XFRkQa50sRQgx3Cb/qhRrFgskf+kkjQJtliEspsHOGekR iGvhVjz/GY5YyfvD/vLPngKougfkzGbpLbJ/oWoUHjxC3tiUwbowTJu2qwmJNDrLUmZ8 smvG44ttSXWHxPMlncjYnNclPDewQ2Vp199E8V05jcItV18SMZONssoIIAut7Nnmr28w wOug== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=yBJKQI2z3ZFRN3zoX3TH8hdiLKmBGmqwQMsi13ezMDg=; b=CoPYeK3YHT8TEaabFIT8c2zmia2eUMNXtiQsssy/C0eqt4savr+Kl6IhHj3m5WTdEX CXR/hysg4KN/d1AsFo4AwDHxBUVQH5TXZQZ1kf8n6qJLLu7V1qkeOlJE4A4wEHi+aZEE y2rq/RE4/vF904FwncbB7OvZPYztK18P+Xh+RaejyWZuA60ylWOJldpyJiTXjeePV/GX dpeaVP+65EaP+QZQYBnR8Pt+DmBV7HIe28VYo6QwUFpJDR+akBPpWkKiYH7h2dZRYxbG GdDOvz0FrwqU9edMoUisQOqpEtoqbWXWN9Tox6+39gbq8B/4vx8dvJ1BlSbs4/SNxOP2 aOag== X-Gm-Message-State: ANoB5pmEp7rqyepf1Q/gzA14k7K1C1XoKYTG01y8X3yfQYiQQMNnZ84I RfiBRdAIaQ0llPQa8CdVgFMotvWADsvNT2rqejM= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA0mqf7teIFDf/eP0ZJwoAKPhp4PT4wLnvwkS7MTRQgLVYxNIHIJEF1ckn0ZnPXZJbu9YtWh9aXHPvOglybAIdoNfDM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:c34a:b0:13b:8a07:2a1f with SMTP id e10-20020a056870c34a00b0013b8a072a1fmr3989613oak.199.1668681511507; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:38:31 -0800 (PST) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:38:30 -0800 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83fsejghsr.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <83fsejghsr.fsf@gnu.org> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221117:59258-done@debbugs.gnu.org::3nLmJlgajfGhAwsK:0bQW MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2022 02:38:30 -0800 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258-done Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258-done@debbugs.gnu.org, rms@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> How about moving them to a subdirectory "old", does that sound okay? > > I'm okay with a subdirectory, but let's use a better name for it, for > example 'printed_books' or something to that effect. Thanks, now moved to a subdirectory named "printed_books". Should appear here shortly: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/pdf/printed_books/ I'm therefore closing this bug report. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 18 00:06:01 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2022 05:06:01 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovtZh-0008LU-Bz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:06:01 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovtZa-0008Ku-KJ for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovtZV-0001YJ-DT; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=+S7a+o0VKsUPm6+QZcvloccHcOgDSPuc3tfdXse5N9I=; b=p2bYOMeMqKa3 VllnI3D6KLNONnel2zn7FTcce8S4xaZ4XxtudA2I6kVSp92PPGevvftA2x7ytP5DeOvFtOiW1zbBm jWegVMg7BNi7rTn6jhQYXSGwzQIqqIvtYEB+qqNA8FznspZkyXylRZd68WdEGkJK+7GrisU2lJr/5 WLqNwSSDBZ6/1x1UlP+x6ODvRjM66dEYZKjEquxJFQ7STy+ZQuFcUlQglp8p825ohjmE9ud/0RGS8 XfJtkuvg2QwAzK1UXSLALH34eGw30xaX5EAXQqGZ0Ke6tV+IX9do0cjjW/948NJCDx8OPcycWhInE 1mdQzZOQ0yL/nbMQWP2f+w==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovtZV-00055Y-3V; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 15 Nov 2022 15:40:00 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd > rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another > edition, It would be good for the maintainers to talk with the FSF about when to publish a new paper edition. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 18 03:27:10 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2022 08:27:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35192 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiM-0005TW-Kz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43988) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiK-0005TI-Da for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiF-0006Vb-6b; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:03 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=yolU7BALYZPisiN2lzvxS08BZlTCSz7d96IUyfwky0o=; b=iKHgIgfUHRK5 Eh15I0DaxzoQ/ugEzCi0M3TT0RlCnxYZvbuweRlmBNig6xiwFIQr2RYFn1xDEj5bNW7yM5PFf8Rs1 pYIW2t6RCQGALmWdfYSKxq7TYBfEJY8aM5Sw/TF0GO93f9XFS/NMPepzFEoHkhs/WC8FXuD4YiR1f Yl4LNLq6HPjquqDjGEOOnIEbA6/eb8pbINaYL9CxruZeyg9/DF+IsN6jNQYr6B+JmlvENU4guExSV LQIImPVwIxWQcLR14zTL6WUXURlwXqXH190sItCAmcGYjGuYzPavHKVWgp2f2vpHhfo03AIpWKBqz 9ahV+eDI79c6rizqILGOoA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ovwiD-0005tO-Vf; Fri, 18 Nov 2022 03:27:02 -0500 Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:27:05 +0200 Message-Id: <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, > 59258@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 18 Nov 2022 00:05:49 -0500 > > > AFAIU, these are the manuals that the FSF sells in their shop. I'd > > rather not delete them, because when they decide to print another > > edition, > > It would be good for the maintainers to talk with the FSF about when > to publish a new paper edition. It's usually the other way around: when the FSF is about to publish a new version of some Emacs manual, someone from the FSF contacts us and asks to produce a specially-formatted PDF file. They also show us the colophon and the back-cover text and ask us to proof-read it for factual mistakes; for example, the list of supported programming languages and important features changes from edition to edition. Because this happens once in a very long while, people tend to forget what was done for previous printings, and that's why it is important to keep the last printed book, so one could look inside and recollect what was done and how. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Nov 19 20:15:48 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2022 01:15:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owYw0-0000Rl-6O for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:48 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52684) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owYvx-0000RR-7f for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:46 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owYvr-0005Gw-UF; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:39 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=dl/rNUK9CVfFlFsySPXpKc28gRc06seoMW1elJkh0kk=; b=ED4BGA+g9aYo nd7uk0QETvV093HUV3rgGwlYZxqkSXu8mwYW93+7Ilppn6CRkjfDVKiqe8HwAqSLpmSYQl4tt090d IELT1Yk+d5KUVKZZ0F8lWjx3t+x28R0U3OtJN7aHcfhkXhGLPZSSgwKLfMf8dIJmtf2BptFu+v4Uv XyomhRBOFmZ44xkMGVxFNUNgzAHtx5LhvSvGknj7xg1UHi5svpukgFMweYt4Mirj2pjX40Cot5HA6 rgFJPUsH/8kxQ3w2pcD0y4vukDqnTmYou6gJAH1rzpRP9KxOGAXEdQTJs+C+1eCMfwWQ6j4diPk7U uP9l7EzWU3jIUppHJUZ5JQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owYvn-00045N-Dy; Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:36 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Fri, 18 Nov 2022 10:27:05 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:35 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > It would be good for the maintainers to talk with the FSF about when > > to publish a new paper edition. > It's usually the other way around: when the FSF is about to publish a > new version of some Emacs manual, someone from the FSF contacts us and > asks to produce a specially-formatted PDF file. I know. But even if they are not about to reprint, we might want to suggest printing a newer edition corresponding to Emacs 29. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 20 02:41:34 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Nov 2022 07:41:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42243 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owexJ-0001pv-VO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:41:34 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1owexG-0001ph-Ep for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:41:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owexA-00035U-SW; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:41:24 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=9rATdbzI7/1MAalrSaX8L9QPiaFJZ0uBt7B9mO8LJaA=; b=remOBQpgV2NE 2d5op9jjlz5BM+G06OTFAUWtP+PAKNwoVt0ix7XybGwHKLwzKxG5vDHGX45tNcWWGpgYrcvDHcsyn aIzNwNq6Ol/UVLT7MDLCSyHZ/tZe1cy/qfkFVVen0pjD5iE7B7i4IK7yhKckMgoYknp9w6DfgG0Nv aUzgNA8aAud4cfOhZgL89an8FEjrxBIgnSWomKWPohbB6PkrJN/6vjcWigIJxuDd+Kb+RpajQQ5rR DHuM+Mb8sZ+j7RKny+0VM4uOnD7gjBYR3Wkzo4VnnoyVT+ZQ4/vj5YGGmjIU+nAyO5rfOirSOXkMR pvuedt9TTjVOFl9S6st5Fg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1owex8-0001yM-0n; Sun, 20 Nov 2022 02:41:22 -0500 Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:41:31 +0200 Message-Id: <83y1s65az8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:35 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, > stefankangas@gmail.com > Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2022 20:15:35 -0500 > > > > It would be good for the maintainers to talk with the FSF about when > > > to publish a new paper edition. > > > It's usually the other way around: when the FSF is about to publish a > > new version of some Emacs manual, someone from the FSF contacts us and > > asks to produce a specially-formatted PDF file. > > I know. But even if they are not about to reprint, we might want to > suggest printing a newer edition corresponding to Emacs 29. I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that we should suggest to the FSF to make a new printing, on our own initiative? If so, I don't think we are aware of the FSF considerations for when they want to print the books again. Every major Emacs release changes the manuals in fundamental ways, but does the FSF indeed want to publish a new edition whenever a new major release of Emacs is out (or maybe even when it's in final stages of pretest)? From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 23 18:16:54 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Nov 2022 23:16:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oxyz8-0005Kf-7r for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:54 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47452) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oxyz5-0005KL-Q3 for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:52 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxyyz-0002sw-JU; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:45 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=3f6pn8SgnzQjzqEmG2YYjfrUkG3hZHw/nWI/i/e01xA=; b=oiv9uytPKbEp 2n4zz5H4+w6yDkBTDrze9R6YhgHa6Y4lC7t+jgLLtAm4OnN68N8wSRDM11Th41aPafr/ijBcLEVXb vyHXQwnd7T8vkz2/wNA3DM7pZa32e92qhbbwTLQQfguLb1w5w8N9jrhTheI0cQXNW8DLyt/aa933L eo1BJuE93AdFKygXngz7gwGhN2hjMkA2P5fvEdHdqZ1f3hgzheLKn+F4kWHNGJ6dxSW7R7WuqRHtz f/osgIbhQJOucK7SK/4QikvLENv91IOImmoh9b7FlX1lj+sMB46iBvCLGI4vbvloHb4wT4rsqxw8U Mp6GarvS6HjMbYJ9w1yJOw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oxyyv-0003hu-S6; Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:43 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83y1s65az8.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Sun, 20 Nov 2022 09:41:31 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1s65az8.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:41 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that we should suggest to the FSF > to make a new printing, on our own initiative? I think it would make sense to tell them roughly when we expect the next re;ease to occur. That would help them decide whether to make a new edition soon. > but does > the FSF indeed want to publish a new edition whenever a new major release of > Emacs is out (or maybe even when it's in final stages of pretest)? I think it wants to _consider_ publishing a new edition at those times. The decision could depend on a number of details, such as how many copies they have on hand and how fast they would sell. etc, but we can let them worry about that. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 24 01:56:52 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Nov 2022 06:56:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56989 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6AG-0002fF-KE for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:56:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41766) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6AF-0002f3-DH for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:56:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6AA-00019N-5G; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:56:46 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=RIZ2WuPE8sqHmwySYDYD9q6EvWXJnkiEZGWUEy8b/oE=; b=PGhllsX4n273 YirE6IxLPCCYT5uvdbSLmmf6S0w9I/Ld+pA66oXn3aqeG5B0kbYNqvQLj3LOvd97mYJ5ygClv/xej k7JqqWQhT4m2GOW1AI+tP1e5zM7dYiEnrTLadiQfyUWmOKBM+nbDs84cWuPe5p5PV7IjXjUN9NNi0 blWAGIL33Sby7S2tSmhon5nWP8LUuSu+Bf8UJ0sRSsbSs0qMR+Y3GxIzmGxh6jNoe++4DSa95VNcm S/KuwNZvF9uNeGJZRLHdu/bN03U3g1U1B2l+9WZb+WSkHgWCN57xjs5y6/1ijECucgFfPJiW92rZ8 H6I/VUuFAMDwPoX8YEP9PA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oy6A8-0002s6-Vw; Thu, 24 Nov 2022 01:56:45 -0500 Date: Thu, 24 Nov 2022 08:57:04 +0200 Message-Id: <83fse8yh4v.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:41 -0500) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1s65az8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, > stefankangas@gmail.com > Date: Wed, 23 Nov 2022 18:16:41 -0500 > > > I'm not sure I understand. Are you saying that we should suggest to the FSF > > to make a new printing, on our own initiative? > > I think it would make sense to tell them roughly when we expect the > next release to occur. That would help them decide whether to make a > new edition soon. > > > but does > > the FSF indeed want to publish a new edition whenever a new major release of > > Emacs is out (or maybe even when it's in final stages of pretest)? > > I think it wants to _consider_ publishing a new edition at those > times. The decision could depend on a number of details, such as how > many copies they have on hand and how fast they would sell. etc, but > we can let them worry about that. I can communicate our release plans to them if you tell me to whom should I speak about it. (I didn't know they expected to get such information from us.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 29 18:50:10 2022 Received: (at 59258) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2022 23:50:10 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57230 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0AMc-0004oK-Dk for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:50:10 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36622) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1p0AMa-0004oA-0F for 59258@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:50:08 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0AMU-0002Zl-Iu; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:50:02 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=opL7Sb/nfcyVZZ4OOPxwYWOX93AY6BT3e1vNiHeDn2Y=; b=D3lrPzXUid3p Asi4OkGKYr8NMLoWqHBQDwzbAW63FKgXCdWvej/yaH6nvtikME8yv3Gs0wHYBiHuQmzduB/ZFBpAU I9kPVp/KFkn6l8rLNuI4v4C3QDIBwZdiLJ0Ihp2BD9B4Mo85/yTStLckFLSveEbYsIiSzZ4WzavmG McG+dsjjfhbbR1+SzLNvzNc/x0ZJv5NjN6QmhEK9LlmN/42WHwnHfD9Zcs7f8zvpzIYIQ3LeNl0Vh rkUZb41gxjCyC7Ira12eLYz2dJwv5sWC8IZFS78O/Xz+oKwGNIKpbywHvPi/S9CbTvaJnNXzC+P2y TwQPkdanWj1JH20ZTpsLgw==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1p0AMU-0002kE-3A; Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:50:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83fse8yh4v.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Thu, 24 Nov 2022 08:57:04 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#59258: 28.2; [Emacs Manual] Available PDFs are outdated/obsolete References: <87r0y547du.fsf@gmail.com> <83k03wibf3.fsf@gnu.org> <831qq0d5wm.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1s65az8.fsf@gnu.org> <83fse8yh4v.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Tue, 29 Nov 2022 18:50:02 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59258 Cc: rafaelbeirigo@gmail.com, 59258@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I can communicate our release plans to them if you tell me to whom should I > speak about it. (I didn't know they expected to get such information from > us.) I am not sure of the right place to send mail to, but Zoe surely knows. I will ask her. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From unknown Sun Aug 17 22:11:47 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Wed, 28 Dec 2022 12:24:07 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator