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You can see it installed into ~/.emacs.d/elpa/. Perhaps transient should be added to finder--builtins-alist? In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.34, cairo version 1.17.6) of 2022-10-31 built on miha-pc Repository revision: a691e811e23dee48674e9e0716429074fdbe3d7b Repository branch: tmp Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Artix Linux Configured using: 'configure --without-libsystemd --with-native-compilation 'CFLAGS=-O2 -g -flto' LDFLAGS=-flto' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.utf8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Fundamental Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t buffer-read-only: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: > With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, > installing magit with 'M-x package-install RET magit RET' pulls > transient from elpa. You can see it installed into ~/.emacs. [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [209.85.160.52 listed in list.dnswl.org] 2.0 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs [URI: kamnitnik.top (top)] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.85.160.52 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.0 UNPARSEABLE_RELAY Informational: message has unparseable relay lines -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Jonas Bernoulli X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) miha@kamnitnik.top writes: > With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, > installing magit with 'M-x package-install RET magit RET' pulls > transient from elpa. You can see it installed into ~/.emacs.d/elpa/. > > Perhaps transient should be added to finder--builtins-alist? Jonas, any comments here? 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > miha@kamnitnik.top writes: > >> With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, >> installing magit with 'M-x package-install RET magit RET' pulls >> transient from elpa. You c [...] Content analysis details: (1.3 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 2.0 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs [URI: kamnitnik.top (top)] 0.0 SPF_NONE SPF: sender does not publish an SPF Record -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [212.243.197.30 listed in list.dnswl.org] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [212.243.197.30 listed in wl.mailspike.net] -0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) Stefan Kangas writes: > miha@kamnitnik.top writes: > >> With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, >> installing magit with 'M-x package-install RET magit RET' pulls >> transient from elpa. You can see it installed into ~/.emacs.d/elpa/. That wouldn't be surprising when using Melpa. But that archive is not listed in the default value of `package-archives'. What is its value of that variable for you and what version of magit gets installed? >> Perhaps transient should be added to finder--builtins-alist? The purpose of doing that would be to ensure that `transient' gets its own entry in `package--builtins' (but because it consists of a single library it would be the wrong mechanism for doing so). Since transient already has such an entry in `package--builtins' anyway, doing this would not change anything. > Jonas, any comments here? This is weird. Maybe it is related to the following, which I also cannot explain: -------------------- Start of forwarded message -------------------- From: ELPA update To: Jonas Bernoulli Subject: [NonGNU-devel ELPA] Tarball build failure for magit Date: Fri, 25 Nov 2022 05:05:50 -0500 The build scripts failed to build the tarball for version 3.3.0snapshot0.20221125.2110 of the package magit. You can consult the latest error output in the file "magit-build-failure.txt" in the NonGNU-devel ELPA archive web site. You can also try and reproduce the error locally as follows: git clone --single-branch git://git.sv.gnu.org/emacs/nongnu.git cd nongnu make # Setup the infrastructure make packages/magit # Create a worktree of the package make build/magit # Build the tarballs into archive(-devel)/ ## The current error output was the following: ======== Building tarball archive-devel/magit-3.3.0snapshot0.20221125.2110.tar... 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Content preview: Jonas Bernoulli writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> miha@kamnitnik.top writes: >> >>> With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, >>> installing magit with 'M-x package-ins [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.0 PDS_OTHER_BAD_TLD Untrustworthy TLDs [URI: kamnitnik.top (top)] -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.0 BULK_RE_SUSP_NTLD Precedence bulk and RE: from a suspicious TLD 0.0 FROM_SUSPICIOUS_NTLD From abused NTLD -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Jonas Bernoulli writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> miha@kamnitnik.top writes: >> >>> With an empty .emacs.d directory and nonexistent .emacs.el init file, >>> installing magit with 'M-x package-install RET magit RET' pulls >>> transient from elpa. You can see it installed into ~/.emacs.d/elpa/. > > That wouldn't be surprising when using Melpa. But that archive is not > listed in the default value of `package-archives'. What is its value > of that variable for you and what version of magit gets installed? (("gnu" . "https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/") ("nongnu" . "https://elpa.nongnu.org/nongnu/")) and magit-3.3.0 More detailed bug recipe: $ mkdir /tmp/emacs-tmp $ HOME=3D/tmp/emacs-tmp src/emacs # or just "emacs" M-x package-install RET magit RET: Emacs installs magit-3.3.0, most likely from nongnu elpa. C-h v package-archives RET: package-archivesis a variable defined in =E2=80=98package.el=E2=80=99. Its value is (("gnu" . "https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/") ("nongnu" . 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Maybe it is related to the following, which I also > cannot explain: That is indeed the case. The issue was triggered by a change to elpa-admin.el, the addition of version checks, which takes pre-releases. into account. The root cause is a mismatch between how `version<' et al. treat suffixes like "-git" and how I use "N-git" to mean "this is not N, it is an arbitrary commit that comes after that". I am in communication with Stefan to decide how to deal with that. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 09 20:38:27 2023 Received: (at 59005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2023 01:38:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQIMs-0006fK-Ph for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 20:38:27 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:35841) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQIMr-0006f6-Dg for 59005@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 20:38:26 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1675993095; bh=YnffHn4SOu67JXdalormXCWm1agPpK7Ub8SL+oDMT2o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=YxRd7NtMq8OAtKC4bEy3kkBEdwTO0CJdSdEhFKKogHmQALP8/Ym7eSKZw3PHQDTC4 pYwrNApYXoCI33Oez+LMszU2bR0sqtJEP86qgZKmvP5V7uo13BSioCvUi5ajH6RBbK rn+4eIb+E3fHh1YlrX4fojHMOIFsArOyQ9mGTsuxYETcjG9srA1TbgXqXmPvgQkPI6 +R4loCvYT45Wgiyp+suFF/ZEOsb7yQvVR55sJ9YXwf0jYh8DyRaDW908pCdA57Jz1s Hd5ei+uIKrxYMubKbVLW5yJ9DRV2EOB6fbNyLIMmc3rIfkgY72ZvsK8/mE9tqSALhB DyBj4zaWWmeAg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.59.210.57]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb106 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N1d7i-1oSo072Wxk-01212J; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 02:38:15 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Jonas Bernoulli Subject: Re: bug#59005: 29.0.50; Package transient installed as dependency despite it being built-in In-Reply-To: <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Sat, 26 Nov 2022 15:17:38 +0100") References: <87iljvkdnp.fsf@miha-pc> <871qprm7j7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 02:38:12 +0100 Message-ID: <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MgTKsasKK76xKp9f/titUJLjUis9hxzAuHJqN/9RDaI2sLRcoz9 WDhjzmfezHkt6zY9PsYucyR9lZ2u2qEuw3BPuhj5IuBchEhXmwOMDBh9X6dtuBPE8JdjS9y VLy+YbYoFEuxx8Nfak1QkbvJd2tA2xFa5PuoknvllcHHiY1Bvoq3XmFde3zUXrNCge69mPu ZL30fH6i/2QzRDgGhpV3Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:tLWsW/1a9XM=;ldWvMvmeLKf60LBktyUtPfbtFYf s4+E+TxNvwsiUt17/7tKDzTlFmkesnSv0AIj3F5/WNeflfXoiydwQcGcccBOUDl0/0GbAokOF AP10ewQ7Mt4B9mpbByq2ou1CLHAl8vZe0JwVxk72QdLPr9Ynl7ZkgW+ZMu+akYkRb6DXbhFUV AQDB+ShbuldJIM5QEKm2EGMNmb8bKy3u0yGdWVQ6FTbEbSfIcsq4IH8HbSdXWt/j0/MJveQTl TdjfAarho7Ky8oWjEngYytBlesmAq81xC3fOMd0GcYnLL1zA2CBgl8A174/g66Qpn7K0I4UU4 +TuS+z0aK0TSg9NNq0io2CSMUNN3CVRvg6rY7lRJNlxiKTPxcVOtKE/Vr2zwEUkzT7mFaRLz9 iwyAFNcYstxlVehpY+mEc5ZY87qxKIjLCKgr37PDvEzz83rz1G+LCFP/cf051YiF5u/HAhT3p eb0Z2v28UgjUEnMRW0KYIG5xV751bVF9gEPs7NS8pf1hNSGVMZapidAvd64vOCgKRM/0bbwZ/ tDz7LAddXKJx12iTZZo+eAfRJNSHZDJ27oR1p0IDPyLfSFfbRVtfOZWy2vCzQhwTvydRLoV18 IVLLKUI5ai1LawupMvwaVwaQAd5kIs3TBZDF66JpzAGamwl4adgP5miw79RgVa/0uMqHLliGJ fkmdCqd4k0o234vTtn+WiajP4eoLFMRuHC6e6PAcqfeAsXLpjWp54s+PF/UpZMUG8yshlYADv D0HEW3Q+qTzUkuwTQ9ERQr5c0DgiVmnbrUPdH/4ztaywf5JdwAKethZDwNqooVz3+i/vc1/Mr OgAkOYz8CiMhN5SByA7m629Rvh2MbLWpq7RMDXQBljMUN9Ctot/7M/lE7U6zVMXVkEcFkMN0n 0uUdjasOsrk4GP1yxNhob3g4PlBmW2MF8spD4BeJYt68bYr3VwOJR+DVYdlDnONPS9qgY6TmB uE455uwr0TwmYnoANdS8mR7cPRo= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , miha@kamnitnik.top X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jonas Bernoulli writes: > That is indeed the case. The issue was triggered by a change to > elpa-admin.el, the addition of version checks, which takes pre-releases. > into account. By chance, could there be a relation of this to my bug#59652? Dunno why that one does not get any attention, it seems not that minor to me. I ask because "transient" rings a bell (it is also a package that is often related to trouble in my scenario). Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 10 09:38:15 2023 Received: (at 59005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2023 14:38:15 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34544 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQUXX-0005So-Co for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 09:38:15 -0500 Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([212.243.197.30]:34758) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQUXT-0005Sc-6H for 59005@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 09:38:14 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AED5164B2; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 15:38:07 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=bernoul.li; h= content-type:content-type:mime-version:message-id:date:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:subject:from:from:received :received; s=sel2011a; t=1676039887; bh=7okSstWVheVpKiavVaZgq0CX RQCUidBh6JNmfClUT9k=; b=gAgZK7Pbpv7NBJo/7rGyYeypiXgZ+Sj5ObfMO/p2 2H03jj8+BXLdRtok7u5ek8KNV7Q3S2zoZT+6dAK2uJN/QNlapyscWKiqAGmezuHe tA/zv7IARwUIlcoxzltxOdIa6j1LYf8cIgk9T/e6pKHFstpUI7MrWphFvdqprZ/H VlM= X-Virus-Scanned: by Hostpark/NetZone Mailprotection at hostpark.net Received: from mail.hostpark.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail0.hostpark.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with ESMTP id 7x4WQ66m0ETQ; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 15:38:07 +0100 (CET) Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange ECDHE (P-256) server-signature RSA-PSS (2048 bits) server-digest SHA256) (No client certificate requested) by mail.hostpark.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4D3411654C; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 15:38:07 +0100 (CET) From: Jonas Bernoulli To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#59005: 29.0.50; Package transient installed as dependency despite it being built-in In-Reply-To: <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> References: <87iljvkdnp.fsf@miha-pc> <871qprm7j7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2023 15:38:04 +0100 Message-ID: <87357dd1rn.fsf@bernoul.li> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , miha@kamnitnik.top X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Jonas Bernoulli writes: > >> That is indeed the case. The issue was triggered by a change to >> elpa-admin.el, the addition of version checks, which takes pre-releases. >> into account. > > By chance, could there be a relation of this to my bug#59652? Dunno why > that one does not get any attention, it seems not that minor to me. No, I changed the "suffix" from "-git" to ".50-git", using both the emacs specific not-a-release ".50" suffix and the "-git" suffix, whose meaning apparently is up for discussion. Using both suffixes works for me, because all my version strings used for releases always have exactly three parts, M.m.p. I can use ".50" as the forth part for non-releases, because I know I will never tack on a forth part ".0" when creating a release. 1.2.3-git (*) < 1.2.3 = 1.2.3.0 (*) < 1.2.3.50-git < 1.2.4 (*) not used by me [ Off-topic, but unlike version< et al., my vcomp.el, supports both pre and patch releases: 1.2.3pre1 < 1.2.3 < 1.2.3-patch1 The patch part can also be something like "-git" or "-1"; the dash is key. The latter means it supports the "Debian package version number format". https://manpages.debian.org/wheezy/dpkg-dev/deb-version.5.en.html. ] > I ask because "transient" rings a bell (it is also a package that is > often related to trouble in my scenario). What kind of trouble? Packaging trouble I assume. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 10 22:38:21 2023 Received: (at 59005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Feb 2023 03:38:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQgiT-0001o5-EU for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 22:38:21 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:39501) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQgiN-0001nl-Vo for 59005@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 10 Feb 2023 22:38:20 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1676086686; bh=TMWXoSf/qmjJvLUUxOCXC/z+HUm3c1R3/IR9VOfghAo=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=BtwEu5LIR2VC4gDyEjXyjYSGhUotE0dNqEoGJMvWtnAS1ED447VB7YrBjiKHyBEiX u0/1ZUKoCXeh1agPmppbvQTnHv1e4B3aq0IRO3eYf+QziF2LRqbBDwWY7l1fo3Kbcg DJUZyxZuBMAclTfnIX2MHOB8hlmxajZmu8dDpKylHoUoxPHFcttS2Td9ywXiNEGpOI U8UeqX1Stc66h5z/Miwa02i0cs2ZXn7VBpWm1f7QxwxZn3hq6SJA/l1uRlmfI9L7Xo E8mW1Lz9g0JYz+OK/wwPX01oEUxRxpvbQ/qnk7jMza90G+f/7sgvgGwApShALS7M9z aJXcXT8OP0A+w== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.59.210.57]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MALiL-1pJI3x0c6V-00C46q; Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:38:06 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Jonas Bernoulli Subject: Re: bug#59005: 29.0.50; Package transient installed as dependency despite it being built-in In-Reply-To: <87357dd1rn.fsf@bernoul.li> (Jonas Bernoulli's message of "Fri, 10 Feb 2023 15:38:04 +0100") References: <87iljvkdnp.fsf@miha-pc> <871qprm7j7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> <87357dd1rn.fsf@bernoul.li> Date: Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:38:05 +0100 Message-ID: <87v8k8lvmq.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:O5cKivTsKErg6KWwAgckzzxB5WLnyltUDqghl9AGwbZ52Ri7l5E m5qSeI4VsxUnljEckOqhLDpK3EZlc3VkCh2sYRue/1qseKitot7I3HKCffj7rxA1wR+j0uE RDM/Xdnq9tRgLp/N+2qs/xOC24AqqDb9kX5wSni04v4umsMHAkKCuf7NTwReFh+99nWD6/G ajRfzsWfTjeWsP4w2ZJMQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:/mn8dcU3mzU=;iRsvQoqt3+UfUNREV4jVwSLo+tD x1RJVVZ8FmVPlQttgIjqsoRs4GW3tFVV21GxG7rQ6r8k1LdGej68Gcduj9LucJlINSTYPupWN 2h44ZZ/cAKf5ZRNtl6rP5WKhbPN3AhlAWqTVE9SgJUbTxrDl5qzNKd5+gejrpKIdCvUdptpJz 78TmMVRPzWyQC8dtC/BV1Wsh0NKfMBwKmVLjdJW9VhydVwH2NKkSoc+V12YvQVInO7YGbNC0F IANlY++X/XCHhMHwW4GrweqR5eWm0Y/25NS9T3VvI1zrO83DDUuUb3MuOGfU2f8FAq9uE820F qDMPRe/yjAhSSLtExf2MSJ3qUWpWZxheW8pjUaP6sI3Z1TTbviY4zVrQ5fgRsDdlXbotpNQoR KvTqYe++W6YLnXAAY9dPx4+seEW1aFcWypHBy6lAlIJFgZTCTLhcwgZbwOumSXT9UaoIHo/Aa F64RTxzLissRH9mcBxJ+dk7Ay+pDINWvhxtEkKpHp1Hnkg68Phh06QShM/SibY2JAadKNpKQ/ STk6Z1wGjqP3rgtdCeQV8TQodrvcc7a0OALbH0Qpwr1ix/H+c3ZF/Y9Tiz37zLanqzNMwLCXV uaPaPXEqub6sGOCQQBh0zzIMnBew/cPNvjzjmkvfSytJ3MrsLcOOq/CXbh+UGgSPB4RPEHyf/ PsxbprRBBBtOm6JBBrTv2z2jxBGI6Nu6N9MhrCGpUnLr1AyatNFLNvhsmSUU/lUZjEDS6vgk0 6VjsTRciFnAUWQwK/MRTrcH6y/0sCp2rndssVBE5oUdK3Ql7JlbJMAmDhx9kVM9NuYp+1wDX4 SnRbyCKKqpC6dPWEwfNot4DI2Y0iTSnE4qFUIbLPHPa9845k+oXKrT4GVZQBN7kNY6PMGRXE0 Mn5DgGKGeqsMvr4r1QP32HBAwkkxY1KfWaiaHPC6CWfWh7n7voBmTTbuThJ4b4TRbfAj17DPl nd97BA== X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas , miha@kamnitnik.top X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Jonas Bernoulli writes: > > I ask because "transient" rings a bell (it is also a package that is > > often related to trouble in my scenario). > > What kind of trouble? Packaging trouble I assume. Yes: when updating packages from the package manager, dependencies are sometimes in effect deleted instead of updated. This is often "transient", but that could be coincidental (because it gets regular updates maybe). No one seems to care about this problem so far. Looking at package.el I don't see a recent change that looks like it could have such an effect. But since I did not get any help so far, I can only ask around... Thanks, Michael. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 12 14:48:32 2023 Received: (at 59005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Feb 2023 19:48:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46841 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRIKu-0002y2-78 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:48:32 -0500 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:39752) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pRIKs-0002xY-2J for 59005@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 14:48:30 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-71-197-232-41.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [71.197.232.41]) (Authenticated sender: eric@ericabrahamsen.net) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 43843FA0BD; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 19:48:23 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1676231303; bh=i/7srcnJ6IoSJ4qmr701odkx527x3XQIUrX8+dAmFH0=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date:From; b=Pip5bbOy8bRYB2TYfjfBW4Jj0nk32xPUWDdWpEC38foZJ6ColVdGu9jTlGZiMVa1b p7/ZyV2y19PSiy/xtSvXtM+1R8jJ3+5i0MpPXmcC0jumaklXtTzHYNXe70ODXUCLTh uzMCxizyTKBzSP1ZnV8EG3kK9KRYokEmeoZUT/ts= From: Eric Abrahamsen To: Michael Heerdegen Subject: Re: bug#59005: 29.0.50; Package transient installed as dependency despite it being built-in In-Reply-To: <87v8k8lvmq.fsf@web.de> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sat, 11 Feb 2023 04:38:05 +0100") References: <87iljvkdnp.fsf@miha-pc> <871qprm7j7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> <87357dd1rn.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v8k8lvmq.fsf@web.de> Date: Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:48:21 -0800 Message-ID: <87pmaehdh6.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Jonas Bernoulli , Stefan Kangas , miha@kamnitnik.top X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen writes: > Jonas Bernoulli writes: > >> > I ask because "transient" rings a bell (it is also a package that is >> > often related to trouble in my scenario). >> >> What kind of trouble? Packaging trouble I assume. > > Yes: when updating packages from the package manager, dependencies are > sometimes in effect deleted instead of updated. This is often > "transient", but that could be coincidental (because it gets regular > updates maybe). > > No one seems to care about this problem so far. Looking at package.el I > don't see a recent change that looks like it could have such an effect. > But since I did not get any help so far, I can only ask around... I have seen this, also with transient, and more recently with "compat", and found it very annoying. I think I solved it by explicitly uninstalling transient and everything that depended on it, and then re-installing -- I haven't seen the problem since. Come to think of it compat was also a Magit dependency, so I wonder if something about Magit's package definition changed? Anyway I haven't seen this for a while, so I forgot about it. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 12 21:25:09 2023 Received: (at 59005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Feb 2023 02:25:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47213 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pROWj-0005G5-8H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 21:25:09 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:52127) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pROWh-0005Fk-4u for 59005@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 12 Feb 2023 21:25:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=s29768273; t=1676255089; bh=8a8eYA45OgD12K3J7Q6W5dTkee3aZXvTzXhgtP72mvM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=Ms0xZeVhlYoOFU7Kj3Itu6VIhyYH2J7btMP8iJGWJ/fRFHMeKlIV2wX3DtP9Lwu1+ nuD44+dlVvatAB9ynkQKHo6O4gENQawr7NoxAHcY4NH1+KXxHRBy9ZDo6vd4bgg8zD PvLCwLm7ltVFOUu06/T5N+iz1+6kRyCsiG8UrvfkG9MkwOjXDgCkZgvnR0/UKe489T ivFT0+JK7S+KHVrU8+TrtDO3keEclEc6lBRVVGUbUk/bJw0hC01ZqfQ5KlIAC76/Y2 UEUCn2WbJP6VrVNxqtqxmrzlCo76LMZhAwFZgYiaYi8tdidapiMe5Hs1nK8pxytKTO EkSxpEPq0ORlg== X-UI-Sender-Class: 814a7b36-bfc1-4dae-8640-3722d8ec6cd6 Received: from drachen.dragon ([84.59.210.57]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb105 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N947J-1oXVw61K6x-015zF8; Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:24:49 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen To: Eric Abrahamsen Subject: Re: bug#59005: 29.0.50; Package transient installed as dependency despite it being built-in In-Reply-To: <87pmaehdh6.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Sun, 12 Feb 2023 11:48:21 -0800") References: <87iljvkdnp.fsf@miha-pc> <871qprm7j7.fsf@bernoul.li> <87sfi5lrzx.fsf@bernoul.li> <87357e1erf.fsf@web.de> <87357dd1rn.fsf@bernoul.li> <87v8k8lvmq.fsf@web.de> <87pmaehdh6.fsf@ericabrahamsen.net> Date: Mon, 13 Feb 2023 03:24:46 +0100 Message-ID: <871qmucnf5.fsf@web.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:u1sG34NWEofOXXafVZGHyZ7UWlLehV1EO/6rZTtbZ8Dc5r/Csvm xIwbewULnXPgVknKRZyeYrvwlc3N4mGOClnjOtX1o/PCEN5r/Sb0S/Mbcr52mccOkA+7VDr P5XONM0V+GtZ8TWOzyAC4tMy3bvSHugxKMG2Smy0cDqt9E25HPVbnO9ZYMk66hFBZs8awMx Vub2o7WsrXGWuXQGncDOg== X-Spam-Flag: NO UI-OutboundReport: notjunk:1;M01:P0:ZDtDWFmQW5c=;1IGyzBET7lu4zM5YGl+cDXq9UNG rLhWUSTkFTr3ggiOQPP90ZR9UIzyH8cVXhkbvXpHEKQ4QClPastc6A2LIqnX3/Xe8p4Dgtigc AWJDaO8JWz0ka+0hU78O8eOxTg6c6pEtid8U3c0fpqvQz07AXYXj/esgN+46H8eyCTiaYvEX8 HwN2NnTTVDr0dDac1tAoN0YhRFrxMkezPmczVXTMaPiCG0RsL+yzwrJAVGZZaYbM+wq7jNWRD 4qWtJH+fuYf/LPXfea3zA6qFDLCj//xXst5Y7XecCKDIbMNktVbcnLM+hjkmuiPslXpbPA87l mRWFiWiPRcQfjGpmylvKHDpq+3JmqsqwR2otsWk0oT5in7Bta7W0xl0DKdRcdmDpdxgLUs0OA UmizgC/67p07Shmoks9QI+u3q/hjwvFujMod6csWyiJct60Arsn6KthS/VSpyFBiXqX0EVxDp 9rPu/8OAVEXlOAPmPAV/Bot5yEvjqWKExjPBvM4Rz39Mm6IigzPepF9ARHchWKkPdH0BJSr+g 6avGjnE1+/T9OZ2rpzW4EpL24FkasbvHY7P+KWu6+pxt6ZOEHy/aWGAMtLBgE4PyD+GfU2cwX /dqYUZlIc+teRQt6/2lCIFphzvTZEbfmkc4TGWFlikAls48ULAh5uw+c6uff2z/wZ7I8vpipx l1oG2m7up300CZWu/pCsEjVQyVxAbsd8LU2prvSujEi8cb0rK1bsI8sOYsjJJJuIgM7ljIRMk x9WfiDfdTa51Tfq5i3RsJliYAsS9hGzo2gT5ilojkehvcG8tDYIdgexeVf4YiPurly0vQ76ax rabxHbDO68jrPnkwdbIB2bhmccBhnZSVFybBfxgZTE2fGnA6OteCWiof8QSQAbLZrMEMTUUMh iyOkmibOmAPumxwZtUaARPDoN4dzPcQMC//OWeIyBRBdL0x5mg1TEQpUxxoukHjScGjpo+r5D Ti7LGiRYzHqH3lHmU5nSnU21A6w= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 59005 Cc: 59005@debbugs.gnu.org, Jonas Bernoulli , Stefan Kangas , miha@kamnitnik.top X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen writes: > I have seen this, also with transient, and more recently with "compat", > and found it very annoying. I think I solved it by explicitly > uninstalling transient and everything that depended on it, and then > re-installing -- I haven't seen the problem since. Come to think of it > compat was also a Magit dependency, so I wonder if something about > Magit's package definition changed? Anyway I haven't seen this for a > while, so I forgot about it. I was not so lucky. Another package where the issue frequently appears seems to be helm-core. I guess a change in one package cannot explain everything. Maybe something in the Gnu Elpa archive? Michael.