GNU bug report logs - #58856
Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages

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From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2022 20:00:38 -0700

On the GNU ELPA/NonGNU ELPA web pages, we are currently using the
Creative Commons Noderivatives 4.0 license.  This license is in the
footer on all HTML pages on elpa.gnu.org and elpa.nongnu.org, for
example here:

    https://elpa.gnu.org/

However, this license is non-free according to the FSF.[1]

How about changing these web pages to the free (and copyleft),
Creative Commons Attribution-Sharealike 4.0 license instead? [2]

Footnotes:
[1]  https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#CC-BY-ND

[2]  https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html#ccbysa

Message #8 received at 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:51:45 -0400

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  > On the GNU ELPA/NonGNU ELPA web pages, we are currently using the
  > Creative Commons Noderivatives 4.0 license.  This license is in the
  > footer on all HTML pages on elpa.gnu.org and elpa.nongnu.org, for
  > example here:

  >     https://elpa.gnu.org/

  > However, this license is non-free according to the FSF.[1]

Whether that is a problem depends on what sort of material is in those
pages.

In the GNU Project we use CC-BY-ND for publications that
state our views.  Most articles on www.gnu.org carry CC-BY-ND.

However, for documentation of software, we use free licenses.

Which of those categories do these pages fall in?  (Or are theh in
neither one?)  That is the crucial question here.  If these pages are
software documentation -- that includes brief descriptions of packages
-- then it should have a free license.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #11 received at 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2022 07:14:59 -0700

Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org> writes:

> In the GNU Project we use CC-BY-ND for publications that
> state our views.  Most articles on www.gnu.org carry CC-BY-ND.
>
> However, for documentation of software, we use free licenses.
>
> Which of those categories do these pages fall in?  (Or are theh in
> neither one?)  That is the crucial question here.  If these pages are
> software documentation -- that includes brief descriptions of packages
> -- then it should have a free license.

It is software documentation, yes.  Thanks for confirming.  So I
installed the below change in the elpa-admin repository.

Stefan M, could you please update the static web pages too?

diff --git a/elpa-admin.el b/elpa-admin.el
index f8f8fcabb6..c804612516 100644
--- a/elpa-admin.el
+++ b/elpa-admin.el
@@ -1307,7 +1307,7 @@ readme file has an unconventional name"
                 <p>Design provided by <a
href=\"https://nicolas.petton.fr\">Nicolas Petton</a></p>
                 <p>
                   This website is licensed under the
-                  <a
href=\"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/4.0/\">CC BY-ND
4.0</a>
+                  <a
href=\"https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/4.0/\">CC BY-SA
4.0</a>
                   International License.
                 </p>
                 <p><a href=\"/jslicense.html\"
data-jslicense=\"1\">JavaScript Licenses</a></p>

Message #14 received at 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Richard Stallman <rms <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Tue, 01 Nov 2022 12:49:29 -0400

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[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,     ]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]

  > > Which of those categories do these pages fall in?  (Or are theh in
  > > neither one?)  That is the crucial question here.  If these pages are
  > > software documentation -- that includes brief descriptions of packages
  > > -- then it should have a free license.

  > It is software documentation, yes.  Thanks for confirming.  So I
  > installed the below change in the elpa-admin repository.

Thanks for bringing it up.

-- 
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)

Message #17 received at 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: rms <at> gnu.org
Cc: monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca, 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 12:45:55 -0800

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Stefan M, could you please update the static web pages too?

Just a ping, in case you missed this.  Should be a quick fix.

Message #20 received at 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: rms <at> gnu.org, 58856 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 17:37:04 -0500

Stefan Kangas [2022-11-12 12:45:55] wrote:
> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com> writes:
>> Stefan M, could you please update the static web pages too?
> Just a ping, in case you missed this.  Should be a quick fix.

Done, thanks,


        Stefan

Message #25 received at 58856-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 58856-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#58856: Non-free license CC-BY-ND on GNU ELPA web pages
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2022 20:01:03 -0800

Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

> Stefan Kangas [2022-11-12 12:45:55] wrote:
>> Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com> writes:
>>> Stefan M, could you please update the static web pages too?
>> Just a ping, in case you missed this.  Should be a quick fix.
>
> Done, thanks,

Thanks, bug closed.

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