From unknown Sat Jun 21 03:11:00 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#58760 <58760@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#58760 <58760@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Guix System iso too big for cdrom again Reply-To: bug#58760 <58760@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2025 10:11:00 +0000 retitle 58760 Guix System iso too big for cdrom again reassign 58760 guix submitter 58760 "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" severity 58760 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 24 12:08:47 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2022 16:08:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49324 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1on00K-0002cd-S3 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:08:47 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:45962) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1on00H-0002cT-DP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:08:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1on00F-0004NM-V6 for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:08:40 -0400 Received: from relay.yourmailgateway.de ([188.68.63.170]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1on009-0007V6-5s for bug-guix@gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 12:08:38 -0400 Received: from mors-relay8203.netcup.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mors-relay8203.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Mx0Nr1ZN0z8Xpp; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:08:28 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mors-relay8203.netcup.net; dkim=permerror (bad message/signature format) Received: from policy02-mors.netcup.net (unknown [46.38.225.35]) by mors-relay8203.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Mx0Nr0qXxz8Xpk; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 16:08:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at policy02-mors.netcup.net X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.899 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.899 required=6.31 tests=[ALL_TRUSTED=-1, BAYES_00=-1.9, URIBL_BLOCKED=0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no Received: from mxe217.netcup.net (unknown [10.243.12.53]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by policy02-mors.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Mx0Np3RXDz8sb0; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:08:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from florianrock64 (ip5b402b13.dynamic.kabel-deutschland.de [91.64.43.19]) by mxe217.netcup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 954F69EA53; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:08:23 +0200 (CEST) From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: Guix System iso too big for cdrom again Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 18:08:23 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu3tjjbc.fsf@pelzflorian.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Rspamd-Queue-Id: 954F69EA53 X-Rspamd-Server: rspamd-worker-8404 X-NC-CID: DzgHxDbspzsVkbXgBFQ3hw4OhG3IPZp1/At1Z6dx9lqZRb+MPh0hGtSU Received-SPF: none client-ip=188.68.63.170; envelope-from=pelzflorian@pelzflorian.de; helo=relay.yourmailgateway.de X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, PDS_BTC_ID=0.216, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_NONE=0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Guix, thanks to commit commit 26c1bd9dfafb5a954d2174b7a000304cd7ae6345 Author: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice Date: Mon Apr 6 17:48:21 2020 +0200 vm: Transparently compress iso9660 images. =20=20=20=20 * gnu/build/vm.scm (make-iso9660-image): Use the =E2=80=98--zisofs=E2= =80=99 xorriso filter at the highest compression settings for supported directories. it was possible to burn the Guix System install image to a 700MB CD. But it fits no more. I compared using the du tool (comparison between good old Guix version e427593 and bad new Guix version 3734857f (with unmerged installer patches) is attached). The result is that most packages got slightly bigger and this broke the camel=E2=80=99s back. From= what Tobias (Cc) wrote, he used the highest compression settings. So it seems nothing can be done to make the install iso smaller than 700MB and support this antiquated storage medium, but I thought I=E2=80=99d= open a bug and ask, because my laptop doesn=E2=80=99t boot from USB, I have more CD/Rs than DVD/Rs and I guess they are cheaper than DVD. 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mx0.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4Mx2hh0pGyz9t0G; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 17:52:20 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=riseup.net; s=squak; t=1666633940; bh=vMsCI8Cd6KLA0iEQVYPRk/YvMBIPMuFXzmJPrTS2VTg=; h=References:From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:In-reply-to:From; b=flfU3R5uxMigIo8obpvltaKPKsNWbDiQcHEaq9MmPGDVTb32LSYlJCDuL8+e0pGoi glkLzSnu9PTwomPMUFzjDQncG1JUMIC91uB/3kDpqa/rWlCNNdydrjW110etXXdVcN ho8mDX4reX8ALuCeNe63vtwhPQr5uIY5kimynMP8= X-Riseup-User-ID: E36E7C5425EFF6B7AF8DB1B88613B36A84209302338A9F681F56A4822FB918F0 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by fews1.riseup.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4Mx2hf6p9nz5vYk; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 17:52:18 +0000 (UTC) References: <87tu3tjjbc.fsf@pelzflorian.de> From: Csepp To: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" Subject: Re: bug#58760: Guix System iso too big for cdrom again Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 19:51:01 +0200 In-reply-to: <87tu3tjjbc.fsf@pelzflorian.de> Message-ID: <87y1t5154g.fsf@riseup.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58760 Cc: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice , bug-guix@gnu.org, 58760@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" writes: > Hello Guix, > > thanks to commit > > commit 26c1bd9dfafb5a954d2174b7a000304cd7ae6345 > Author: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice > Date: Mon Apr 6 17:48:21 2020 +0200 > > vm: Transparently compress iso9660 images. >=20=20=20=20=20 > * gnu/build/vm.scm (make-iso9660-image): Use the =E2=80=98--zisofs=E2= =80=99 xorriso > filter at the highest compression settings for supported directories. > > it was possible to burn the Guix System install image to a 700MB CD. > But it fits no more. I compared using the du tool (comparison between > good old Guix version e427593 and bad new Guix version 3734857f (with > unmerged installer patches) is attached). The result is that most > packages got slightly bigger and this broke the camel=E2=80=99s back. Fr= om what > Tobias (Cc) wrote, he used the highest compression settings. > > So it seems nothing can be done to make the install iso smaller than > 700MB and support this antiquated storage medium, but I thought I=E2=80= =99d open > a bug and ask, because my laptop doesn=E2=80=99t boot from USB, I have mo= re > CD/Rs than DVD/Rs and I guess they are cheaper than DVD. > > Regards, > Florian > > [2. text/plain; install-image-du-commit-e427593]... > > [3. text/plain; install-image-du-commit-3734857f]... > > [4. text/plain; install-image-du-comparison]... Are there unnecessary dependencies that could be cut out? 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s=default; Message-ID: <87r0yxkrf7.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a02:c205:2020:6054::1; envelope-from=me@tobias.gr; helo=tobias.gr X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: bug-guix@gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Heyo, pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > From what Tobias (Cc) wrote, he used the highest > compression settings. > > So it seems nothing can be done to make the install iso smaller Well=E2=80=A6 I used the highest compression setting *for zisofs*. Zisofs is an ancient (and non-standard :-) little hack that Linux=20 supports, and it just happened to be enabled on our kernels=20 already. Plus it's fully transparent to the operating system.=20 That's why I wrote that quick little patch: it was an amusing=E2=80=94to=20 me=E2=80=94way to shrink our ISO basically for free. We're the only distro that I've ever seen use it. But we can go deeper if we choose to, by dropping zisofs and going=20 for something like squashfs, which achieves higher compression=20 through higher block sizes and better algorithms like XZ. This is what other distributions with a compressed root file=20 system do. However, it's marginally more work as you have to loop-mount the=20 image early during boot, and it doesn't involve obscure kernel=20 arcana (boo), and CDs are even more obsolete than they were when I=20 wrote that patch (yay), so don't wait for me to do it. 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But I have closed the issue (without really trying the methods) because Tobias writes: > But we can go deeper if we choose to, by dropping zisofs and going for > something like squashfs, which achieves higher compression through > higher block sizes and better algorithms like XZ. Probably yes, though I don=E2=80=99t dare writing that and Csepp writes: > Are there unnecessary dependencies that could be cut out? Kind of, but only by making variant packages without the dependencies that Maxime listed in his response, just for the installer, but it would not be enough to get below 700MB. Maxime writes: > I think -Os would be worth investigating. Yes, that would be easiest, though looking at --tune, I guess making variant base packages with -Os just for the installer is not worth the complexity since cdroms are a niche use-case. It would be possible, so maybe I shouldn=E2=80=99t have closed, but maybe I shouldn=E2=80=99t have filed the issue in the first place. 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