From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:41:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.166582683230663 (code B ref -1); Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:41:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2022 09:40:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdeh-0007yV-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdec-0007yI-R9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdea-0004gU-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdea-0001La-Hr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Subject:To:From:Date:mime-version:in-reply-to: references; bh=ibTGih+FX6d8tVtkc7Ruy41l71fWIN95d7DrFRWVrZY=; b=eJrL6b3fsP/2H4 b3LAblRFPvNpfMZLDe0vsFkvmtr3G54oDongs/i8UCosP0my40VTlUCq479kZn0WC6ElB0mFRDzWP xq2uMw+Wg1xE/C7Ge+Rkt+9UFUytVTgOW2nOu5bqxoGXujVuTeJWCiqo5Zuz1CBYU7r0waG+rZQQZ xFvckrubF+0jC6frdqwZcVDVQDlwYk+bYtqWlHhgX1zVGP1sTJG6w3GE2y6romRGqW23k65V1tl5K yYaAzzlgQLHpFTPHY2zocu1xCmE3G6l5g2PhD7eaIxn5HTVD/0czYfilNLrWLkI9YEHua+63pSL2P XZnCqTf3FwBBp8lyq4/g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1180 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdeZ-0004qD-W6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:40:13 +0300 Message-Id: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this instead: M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick help" less than it could be. Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by "C-h ?". 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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this > instead: > > M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. > > This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need t [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this > instead: > > M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. > > This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick > help" less than it could be. > > Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by > "C-h ?". Hm... It's rather confusing all over now. All the other commands after `C-h ?' do the same as typing the commands directly. That is, `C-h t' shows the Emacs tutorial, and `C-h ? t' does the same. `C-h q' shows the quick help, but `C-h ? q' doesn't -- it just exits `help-for-help'. But the help-for-help says that it "Display the quick help buffer.", which is only correct when you haven't `C-h ?' first. So this is confusing on several different levels at the same time, and I don't know what the best fix here would be. Perhaps Philip of Stefan has some ideas; added to the CCs. From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Philip Kaludercic Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:22:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Kangas Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166591567816927 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:22:02 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 10:21:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43461 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0lh-0004Ow-HX for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:21:17 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:59657) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok0lc-0004Of-Rf for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:21:14 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id ECECE240028 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:21:06 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665915667; bh=8Eo4I3PBMf5s7VIYX9XVbXjZM0qmImVyoFYmnXO2/sY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=gE4OnpQkU1DDhzbNxd743j1b1OuMbgR3jmaS50HxMG4w3/rJATfSMqSu95JJ3772j n/+uh1ElgKaV2L0VWhL8QPi1z4UWP0DKX9BcfSbhPujkPoEaIQV6c5SrakI7ZiD5q3 /KegzmvUtbtn3sQL+VTl9DUlM8X89JHX/btXNeKk8hQUNQZmsZL1ii/jGwZkGRSjNI NMGBsdhwVTMTDHr3EXoG8SlznukeiIQDfdRFVh9BYGKamm8yNwnLgq9vvCDcrNDE32 ph4hBVpFqjVp+CF3NO1baiViL1AjRwduBKEtXZQfx8dVcMS5SAoSUgS/6gTkuYf437 4Vnlvq0QzcewA== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Mqx3j6MxVz9rxV; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:21:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic In-Reply-To: <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:49:53 +0200") References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 Message-ID: <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this >> instead: >> >> M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. >> >> This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick >> help" less than it could be. >> >> Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by >> "C-h ?". > > Hm... It's rather confusing all over now. All the other commands after > `C-h ?' do the same as typing the commands directly. > > That is, `C-h t' shows the Emacs tutorial, and `C-h ? t' does the same. > > `C-h q' shows the quick help, but `C-h ? q' doesn't -- it just exits > `help-for-help'. > > But the help-for-help says that it "Display the quick help buffer.", > which is only correct when you haven't `C-h ?' first. > > So this is confusing on several different levels at the same time, and I > don't know what the best fix here would be. It was probably wrong to add `help-quick-or-quit' to C-h ? in the first place. My proposal to bind C-h q to `help-quick-or-quit' was that "C-h q" had no effect *outside of* the Metahelp buffer. But of course, in the Metahelp buffer "q" does have an effect, that overrides `help-quick-or-quit'. My guess is that that is the reason why the binding is displayed using M-x. I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick help buffer. From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Philip Kaludercic Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166591677419434 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 10:39:34 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43490 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok13O-00053N-3M for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:39:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40742) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok13L-000535-1a for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:39:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45766) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok13F-000867-R6; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:39:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=B5h8GR7nhcpxZTdFVt6RGPQqWancsBGJ+UmgIIS22CU=; b=KZQrgE+jQqQx 4YjWVmNJQFjthVI+ue85Ptc/+SAyUZQfNwlJvfLHjeq+MZares5L8LyygyxpvfA8h5Jw2pWPWUgMT aDnUytTnsYZOTgcuqANAsR++Q8X3af7Q4cx2ug24CBZiUrmj/8iq2nEk4WOmQ2kmolGDOJbmhUAVD CQao8h0RjYw60XOHeBgouGbh/BOeCGrq74w9dVEe8v8Y/BF643Fi5EU44pqay6ou4WHx8XY3vdIqk gtJzqq8Ve/79PeepUBAy5UmY7OTBZPvyTJK71lRLcluiUu4b7krhJoShZ+3AXUCu+BjhyB1TOk7um smZHmXNXBdrw4J/NVzCrOg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1920 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok13F-0004VR-7J; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 06:39:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0300 Message-Id: <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000) References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas > > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 > > I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen > help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick > help buffer. How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Philip Kaludercic Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:12:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166591869931554 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:12:02 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 11:11:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok1YQ-0008Cs-Mf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:11:39 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:34311) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok1YF-0008CN-W8 for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:11:37 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4252C240027 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:11:21 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665918682; bh=2cMr6fDh8c9BQ/EjzGwsnljPHKqAnBYOts2TYesW6oo=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=mV+Dk9Wi7kqf5E7fFDC4VG9zUjOnNRLDtdcnE+8D5aFXnFivLNvAHgrBW1t3NzKmC Dsih4nGt4SZXCPtnD8K9lj8rhZ8/fnWYl4gaTD4sMhDNtoNYJoq7fpkjSOnrinBASM Vx9U7ABPTQpEIN0izUq+C10F3mECHiD5XVj2ky1IjGW2fmQzFqZlXBqESEB/lUcBAS n2dMy/IqVrt9o6d/tP9ETIy6+UhWp2STNScxX4quu/JNHyFIGuvEN1y9PIzN19dfnC X5OZwPBk36MCcT0CZqSouAGEa+Rn0lCvvrB5wyn4dK2QHQEDwzuufnV57JEZn+aA4a F0RUcqMFcx9Mw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Mqy9j02GBz9rxB; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:11:20 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic In-Reply-To: <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0300") References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:11:20 +0000 Message-ID: <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas >> >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 >> >> I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen >> help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick >> help buffer. > > How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? Do you mean the "C-h (Type ? for further options)-" prompt? One place I thought could make sense would be the `startup-echo-area-message' prompt, but that doesn't look like it has enough space. From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Philip Kaludercic Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166592058710883 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 11:43:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43554 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok22t-0002pS-4A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:43:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35086) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok22r-0002oz-2u for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:43:05 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:43850) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok22l-00012K-Es; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:42:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=4GDagboIXAt7LbnHv2E4e9kP9Pq+yznRAxwDd+nkb0M=; b=A/zNDoapQIlq gW/njjHsk4CEdZ4bbfvYgmNyt8ARf7ycnr2XPa9IzAeTKdBJqQn1srL0gqk+vjnCfWRAaqnP5zty2 97LBqG7VE9TS39ODfLSI78GcJgH+yEW/8fGhe/HNSPTBuNLYPyqxXZ6RBOaoJs7IR5pZBkSaNKEbe YbfzQvLXesh3gYr+jCmaOoWEXAV5h6kfX7M/+rB02LJM1VwIhaJomO+pyImFiNz4jdFFwQuaZhtoQ czwhkrS6RFO3a4nU1+PrKwuCXqztu+NQAr7IquTrh49y9rn3/9VCX9ZliBeuRCCvEdfj5qtRmMG3u tQyK07Bj7QPXaEH3cYZXSg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1829 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok22k-0004Pe-Q1; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 07:42:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 14:42:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:11:20 +0000) References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:11:20 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> From: Philip Kaludercic > >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas > >> > >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 > >> > >> I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen > >> help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick > >> help buffer. > > > > How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? > > Do you mean the "C-h (Type ? for further options)-" prompt? Yes. Make it say C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- or somesuch. From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:12:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii , Philip Kaludercic Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166592226822564 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:12:01 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 12:11:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43622 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok2U0-0005rs-J6 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 08:11:08 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-f46.google.com ([209.85.160.46]:41850) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok2Tz-0005rd-Jb for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 08:11:08 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-f46.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-132af5e5543so10745457fac.8 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:11:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XnaF68KmDVU542cm7o3mb1YzLfsT5A6fo6dK9lW2Tco=; b=fjAkrnv8IjtFlPZofYlYKlHjoGuEtmAYyJFxBrWT/esWaYpboMdOSvs3TxxGy3g6Y7 L3FNirVa6ZwawQDGsr1K0n1cZLt7xS8goEf9vIz8Vo9IUP/VpEBOv2XZypVeO8em3af4 UvfdjFqmlWEtIg+5PLZSB6ujuGHpns9sLOvguJD41ekEHmxG3NkHXGLRRQeMmON3YRCU 7MrXmjIluJb1R2x+bL1loz/tG9Vv34IAQDhzsFwXFtFSUOPxb/UzTHrZI7gODXBcwSHs 2d3byegpwulc3np5GYOVgkF9w7Lyg9HjcbuL+9qK3P0S5ed5apE0Xsqgg4Lmb1Hz0ogb Pr5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=XnaF68KmDVU542cm7o3mb1YzLfsT5A6fo6dK9lW2Tco=; b=LWiFHl6RT5GvcBTnYhMyMoNBhUVDeMADqxlRFdkrsRTt7u3E9YGdCitM+1EB+dakNZ AmElIGfwWxrs4OmaA60cJMXxV0ZBMXwWdCeTEnaEnNOg2gTevOss0fwRov9HshyUKKdy HAebsMHfFEJX2OWVd6GLabRsKDsYgUjfHLowuskIjNUugq/wO2rrTyl6UT8HKXdBxUmx rgMhjNiW4FLTGD6JlhN3fBIw8UuElYu1BeYM+yLfZIKSpVLj9bk2+t08GFoXQSn4sR/G x1BWVkyvpsx0YdwAi3+saVfPTrhC4lntE/aiwobOtBg8+fabLhp7r37tGSXHO5YxaIUo ZJag== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0ukVgNOBElkWClGlO/AAAN8mth43AxgjYDKjT0AqB5vLeWyWHC RM7LU7z505CuLi02Tp4rf1c+UQcFdntb5Hts338= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4Up8jCHYzycHetQlGxveqWHj6tr4Euuzv/iha8nwV449DYwUKqzUBeAWcfAjOJue7S44l0H+bdhPUSuOvoJjA= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:9126:b0:132:b724:e96c with SMTP id o38-20020a056870912600b00132b724e96cmr13030161oae.199.1665922261872; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 05:11:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:11:01 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221016:58543@debbugs.gnu.org::R8+P0d2ZGWCuadyY:3kcz MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:11:01 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- > > or somesuch. This is a nit, but is it just me that finds it confusing that the "-" is all the way to the right? IOW, shouldn't it say something like: C-h- (Type ? for further options, q for quick help) Or now that we have the `help-key-binding' maybe even C-h- [? further options, q quick help] From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Philip Kaludercic Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.16659275637582 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 13:39:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43697 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok3rO-0001yE-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:39:22 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:59281) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok3rM-0001xy-Up for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:39:21 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 50259240103 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:39:14 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665927555; bh=1KK6+wUCRtIEDGifaaYBuL2Ix0O9a0od+N8olaHftYI=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=Gaq9UU7Yw2LN314OXUwDS1SjK+70p0MxRDZdSgKB3jm/fvueyAx8/sJikSNqwMJ+b AAL5dZAq/M4d12eYDqMoWYfudL5HP0/U6IZ5E+Ss661/MsQ2gzg/BGDa6fYQPlhkAm ZUTTouv0NgMsON2mlLAsKtH8RJyUbD2iwKXBd+ilzDCsVL85S6YjtP/uZ8CO3JZPtB 5l4CPybyMST2VdLNmAXhwfcOHcB98G2x5I+EowfK41+Mc6FPWWSj9ry/hlfJ+MS/qG 69JNFEuZumGg2EnRfsH9gNczk3ncdy7PeORCqy21V0B40Qs0BZOY0AB2D1+jGXXLM5 UHpB3YM1zQVYQ== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4Mr1SJ2ZbGz9rxL; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:39:12 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic In-Reply-To: <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 14:42:45 +0300") References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0000 Message-ID: <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 11:11:20 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas >> >> >> >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:21:05 +0000 >> >> >> >> I would therefore remove entry from the "(make-help-screen >> >> help-for-help" block, and consider some other place to mention the quick >> >> help buffer. >> > >> > How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? >> >> Do you mean the "C-h (Type ? for further options)-" prompt? > > Yes. Make it say > > C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- > > or somesuch. That sounds good. How about this patch: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-src-keyboard.c-echo_add_key-Mention-quick-help.patch >From 8db3c0a25bf88f8e4669fd7e2babc2ff8f5c98b2 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Philip Kaludercic Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 15:38:28 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] * src/keyboard.c (echo_add_key): Mention quick-help --- src/keyboard.c | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/src/keyboard.c b/src/keyboard.c index 8ab4a451b4..8386b599c3 100644 --- a/src/keyboard.c +++ b/src/keyboard.c @@ -503,7 +503,7 @@ echo_add_key (Lisp_Object c) if ((NILP (echo_string) || SCHARS (echo_string) == 0) && help_char_p (c)) { - AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options)"); + AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)"); AUTO_LIST2 (props, Qface, Qhelp_key_binding); Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (7), make_fixnum (8), props, str); new_string = concat2 (new_string, str); -- 2.37.3 --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Stefan Kangas writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- >> >> or somesuch. > > This is a nit, but is it just me that finds it confusing that the "-" is > all the way to the right? > > IOW, shouldn't it say something like: > > C-h- (Type ? for further options, q for quick help) > > Or now that we have the `help-key-binding' maybe even > > C-h- [? further options, q quick help] Ah, I didn't understand what the trailing dash was supposed to signify so this looks like a good idea. --=-=-=-- From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 14:04:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Philip Kaludercic Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.166592903512234 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 14:04:01 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 14:03:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45835 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok4F8-0003BE-Sf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:03:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60186) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok4F7-0003Ax-Tz for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:03:54 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55108) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok4F2-0006D5-He; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:03:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Wp/jiaAWipYOAaS76Iq+1qTARgtcqCAVlAmkXcnPZ9c=; b=BEaCbWSkZFf3 USDze7xbD6Ve1i3QS0AGOKtHc56izxCjhPADe4RleA7A+K77Hjll1rvIT6j4cehT8zrlBp3Qp3zBj JXzkps+JVn0IPSLDtJWidDSSHZc9Lx1oPjOivnY+Qgz/VCM8yGSpwxN3gNp8CzL2u5trd9AuxXUlb A2SGQnDhlVTe4A7JSs3PQ1xP4ZRh4c5F9n7aXVZd4EUHYWAs+9Q8QFrpgjuu/JNHixSkQwyTzPKGo vNd5EuRuSmzXEHhjRESGuzJ0z5OYWCvFIXP2nZ18u7hfVXQbddA9iVf00sFSgPBMnnhtb3Mi6m1sB 0/LnCWCS9hKm6/BWiqlMwQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2506 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ok4Ew-00047v-GR; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 10:03:48 -0400 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:03:28 +0300 Message-Id: <83h70350i7.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> (message from Philip Kaludercic on Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0000) References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philip Kaludercic > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com > Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0000 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> > How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? > >> > >> Do you mean the "C-h (Type ? for further options)-" prompt? > > > > Yes. Make it say > > > > C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- > > > > or somesuch. > > That sounds good. How about this patch: LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. After all, I'm not the main audience for this stuff ;-) From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. Makes sense to me. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. Makes sense to me. > After all, I'm not the main audience for this stuff ;-) Me neither. From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Philip Kaludercic , Eli Zaretskii Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.16659390305404 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 16:50:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45978 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok6qM-0001P5-7V for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:50:30 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-f174.google.com ([209.85.167.174]:46600) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ok6qK-0001Oi-Gt for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 12:50:28 -0400 Received: by mail-oi1-f174.google.com with SMTP id g130so9948287oia.13 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:50:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=y2tsei7LQk8e8Y/TSn6CWJ9DeiMQ4Mov+3yEFHrOTmI=; b=AYO9s8OZ19TF5zpnZTL5kyTwELbKbWO0EMrmobKx557wyCjfL/LGVqzEPhuqUjEum+ tiZUCsFEBKdtvde9po/eLxWwZbXOZp8JlnRTm31y+xTmt6FWlkvaGxaiZz/gG2XGsl2o EY3T5dH0nrC+26LWsLUctuMK0rkL3yPcJu3h16jBO3FCmSSmV3HTZpuPayJlfB9cUCUY q8uAOeNOlvmtcHtt20qWA2CNqDTef2UPaBBW/jO5Vl4LXcCOWlrq/Ku4EGyOTuQLPpp2 jizKleAwHz2LNGLII0rNsLucZQfc6/1b0EiRAKFJdXRA67Px7orjbuByWqsmExXxIkq+ fhzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=y2tsei7LQk8e8Y/TSn6CWJ9DeiMQ4Mov+3yEFHrOTmI=; b=XepfUekEeTV47ZadpOST7mdJWegZ437SZdGG15z8wEw3739jlquGbiYVnrQY4Xse72 fom7e4MTDaP6Hd6BaC3aund4NqiYB3nsR4h0UoyKcbVjTSq96hB98tRXNDlk/kogYdq8 naYHysQ9t9MQng3pmwV3yL4N96DQjYtd0jBIukf5zZNlKEs14wXnsTuC/GpR8C1ONNzz DFogg5LhSl2z2/nVnHAX2OdP8z/6idcbE9bIi1z6/rB1Og/KYw9AJYqGZMNkRlIwb+Nt Qd6QiNCBRj0vZiYTtYifHFZcHkgyn9JpCJAY+eQ44bmb9SqU5vgjumf8iEQYHFRwujd5 NUtQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2uqZhvXYXanYbuOiSqQfqKt+K1+eWiuJT+LyWGai2Ch1P9HcFN CzTcDFM6A9qPJv2T7+nJtWuYclZRlu+hO6YPvEo= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM60sY0wc0qzBQJ8fk4jMuj80vp5eyaNEbCoJXWFhQJLCXmOOHgH7RNeecFPxa0jaN9Sp0EgjV2XP5lrbzVJeyI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1186:b0:353:b77a:a481 with SMTP id j6-20020a056808118600b00353b77aa481mr11636293oil.199.1665939022905; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 09:50:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:50:22 +0000 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> X-Hashcash: 1:20:221016:eliz@gnu.org::NGvpPAsMY5Nwvwfz:4/Pb MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 16:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Philip Kaludercic writes: > diff --git a/src/keyboard.c b/src/keyboard.c > index 8ab4a451b4..8386b599c3 100644 > --- a/src/keyboard.c > +++ b/src/keyboard.c > @@ -503,7 +503,7 @@ echo_add_key (Lisp_Object c) > if ((NILP (echo_string) || SCHARS (echo_string) == 0) > && help_char_p (c)) > { > - AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options)"); > + AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)"); > AUTO_LIST2 (props, Qface, Qhelp_key_binding); > Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (7), make_fixnum (8), props, str); Also add the text property to the "q" here. Something like: Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (30), make_fixnum (31), props, str); From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" Resent-From: Philip Kaludercic Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:40:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58543 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@gnus.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 58543-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58543.16659599851703 (code B ref 58543); Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:40:02 +0000 Received: (at 58543) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2022 22:39:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46395 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1okCIK-0000RP-Ou for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 18:39:45 -0400 Received: from mout02.posteo.de ([185.67.36.66]:37753) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1okCII-0000RA-W0 for 58543@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2022 18:39:43 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout02.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 05D77240103 for <58543@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:39:36 +0200 (CEST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1665959977; bh=+9IXu8GgZ1mlIbohsRlxe01+JO5HcLoLfl/f4ySFl0g=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=JmKXs9Z1v4wAcI8LiHiP1/prFPEpIUpC1Qs6OTJHb6TvVL1hITcrMnHfiLscm8lMi lXg81OsVyJ8o49nXWo9gTIhPAEiuYQOspOYO8hj2XxIQBb9qBksWB6rPbkGj+2BazG 7JA+QLy5LiOFuh6ez1BVgh0uUDjlTtiioJBuU+MeL7SVuLwPvkhdzL/IM/RiOZHyG1 X/j99v8G9PtTRyLLKUqZKq7POCugmzhl9CzYkcI6oS619FFIN4Ln+V3Vw00e5z5pvL P/V/gRZIuiobOzRItN8DQV3A6FwkcnqVKphPiQC9ljBz/NVOfMfE299QNldnghy+IV ME3Pm5ZAUeiHw== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4MrFRq5BQsz6tnG; Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:39:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Philip Kaludercic In-Reply-To: <83h70350i7.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 16 Oct 2022 17:03:28 +0300") References: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> <87mt9wjdxa.fsf@gnus.org> <87wn903w8e.fsf@posteo.net> <83v8ok3ve7.fsf@gnu.org> <87k0503twn.fsf@posteo.net> <83r0z83sga.fsf@gnu.org> <87tu433n27.fsf@posteo.net> <83h70350i7.fsf@gnu.org> Autocrypt: addr=philipk@posteo.net; prefer-encrypt=nopreference; keydata= mDMEYHHqUhYJKwYBBAHaRw8BAQdAp3GdmYJ6tm5McweY6dEvIYIiry+Oz9rU4MH6NHWK0Ee0QlBo aWxpcCBLYWx1ZGVyY2ljIChnZW5lcmF0ZWQgYnkgYXV0b2NyeXB0LmVsKSA8cGhpbGlwa0Bwb3N0 ZW8ubmV0PoiQBBMWCAA4FiEEDM2H44ZoPt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwMFCwkIBwIGFQoJ CAsCBBYCAwECHgECF4AACgkQtVrAHPRh1FyTkgEAjlbGPxFchvMbxzAES3r8QLuZgCxeAXunM9gh io0ePtUBALVhh9G6wIoZhl0gUCbQpoN/UJHI08Gm1qDob5zDxnIHuDgEYHHqUhIKKwYBBAGXVQEF AQEHQNcRB+MUimTMqoxxMMUERpOR+Q4b1KgncDZkhrO2ql1tAwEIB4h4BBgWCAAgFiEEDM2H44Zo Pt9Ms0eHtVrAHPRh1FwFAmBx6lICGwwACgkQtVrAHPRh1Fw1JwD/Qo7kvtib8jy7puyWrSv0MeTS g8qIxgoRWJE/KKdkCLEA/jb9b9/g8nnX+UcwHf/4VfKsjExlnND3FrBviXUW6NcB Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 22:39:35 +0000 Message-ID: <87y1tf1jh4.fsf@posteo.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain Eli Zaretskii writes: >> From: Philip Kaludercic >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58543@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com >> Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2022 13:39:12 +0000 >> >> Eli Zaretskii writes: >> >> >> > How about mentioning it in the "C-h" prompt itself? >> >> >> >> Do you mean the "C-h (Type ? for further options)-" prompt? >> > >> > Yes. Make it say >> > >> > C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- >> > >> > or somesuch. >> >> That sounds good. How about this patch: > > LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. After all, I'm not the > main audience for this stuff ;-) Will do. Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Eli Zaretskii writes: > >> LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. > > Makes sense to me. > >> After all, I'm not the main audience for this stuff ;-) > > Me neither. Looks like nobody will be using the feature :') Stefan Kangas writes: > Philip Kaludercic writes: > >> diff --git a/src/keyboard.c b/src/keyboard.c >> index 8ab4a451b4..8386b599c3 100644 >> --- a/src/keyboard.c >> +++ b/src/keyboard.c >> @@ -503,7 +503,7 @@ echo_add_key (Lisp_Object c) >> if ((NILP (echo_string) || SCHARS (echo_string) == 0) >> && help_char_p (c)) >> { >> - AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options)"); >> + AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)"); >> AUTO_LIST2 (props, Qface, Qhelp_key_binding); >> Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (7), make_fixnum (8), props, str); > > Also add the text property to the "q" here. Something like: > > Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (30), make_fixnum (31), props, > str); You're right, I've added it and it does the right thing: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-src-keyboard.c-echo_add_key-Mention-quick-help.patch >From c25e78d8020364e1ecae795ffb79b1612bdc0d0b Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Philip Kaludercic Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2022 00:36:06 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] * src/keyboard.c (echo_add_key): Mention quick-help --- src/keyboard.c | 4 +++- 1 file changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/src/keyboard.c b/src/keyboard.c index 8ab4a451b4..224512bfc9 100644 --- a/src/keyboard.c +++ b/src/keyboard.c @@ -503,9 +503,11 @@ echo_add_key (Lisp_Object c) if ((NILP (echo_string) || SCHARS (echo_string) == 0) && help_char_p (c)) { - AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options)"); + AUTO_STRING (str, " (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)"); AUTO_LIST2 (props, Qface, Qhelp_key_binding); Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (7), make_fixnum (8), props, str); + Fadd_text_properties (make_fixnum (30), make_fixnum (31), props, +str); new_string = concat2 (new_string, str); } -- 2.37.3 --=-=-=-- From unknown Tue Jun 24 10:33:46 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: bug#58543: closed (Re: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?") Message-ID: References: <87fseyjph3.fsf@posteo.net> <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 58543 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 58543@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Fri, 04 Nov 2022 23:00:01 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1667602801-4108-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1667602801-4108-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. If you require more details, please reply to 58543@debbugs.gnu.org. --=20 58543: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D58543 GNU Bug Tracking System Contact help-debbugs@gnu.org with problems ------------=_1667602801-4108-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at 58543-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Nov 2022 22:59:29 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55025 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1or5er-000136-2K for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2022 18:59:29 -0400 Received: from mout01.posteo.de ([185.67.36.65]:48629) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1or5eo-00012n-QN for 58543-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2022 18:59:27 -0400 Received: from submission (posteo.de [185.67.36.169]) by mout01.posteo.de (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 48ED7240026 for <58543-done@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:59:21 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=posteo.net; s=2017; t=1667602761; bh=HfGQpLARv6snq+4bRIY3pMN5K88bqFNmd7SOEcnErR4=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Autocrypt:Date:From; b=mSF+xqimcoEQAAFBuXSqJCkg9O4nYszOgwbGlUD4OeJHgN29M/O02jUlfGi6j7P6E 0d6tXZFMwgiuf4GTRhDwCHUR8tQ0ClNOQjsVjCJbjgnFla67QnifujRXDS1KVC7zqk XcIoUznxS+4CNBE2a00bT+aviMle0b5d2jSb7DTlet6X6/bdbnYO3Uxfjno3U1oQhg eCM0EH1aCS39/1mMYVMywkPMKQSuUfVZHTkjZY2PDnZpEX2DoG4CUN6gcZjRrY2p/P vvNUNbj7Cha8082KoAkDhixlTlj+hMChKBkz5bK3g9F6rso8Lx2BRe5ZshuKlW9obC gDVHquv1jex2A== Received: from customer (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by submission (posteo.de) with ESMTPSA id 4N3wzr4VDfz9rxF; Fri, 4 Nov 2022 23:59:20 +0100 (CET) From: Philip Kaludercic To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58543: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" 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Make it say >>> > >>> > C-h (Type ? for further options, q for quick help)- >>> > >>> > or somesuch. >>> >>> That sounds good. How about this patch: >> >> LGTM, but please wait for others to comment. After all, I'm not the >> main audience for this stuff ;-) > > Will do. The patch has been pushed a while ago, so I am closing the report. ------------=_1667602801-4108-1 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2022 09:40:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39489 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdeh-0007yV-QH for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:32 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36386) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdec-0007yI-R9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:30 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38960) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdea-0004gU-PK for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40316) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdea-0001La-Hr for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Subject:To:From:Date:mime-version:in-reply-to: references; bh=ibTGih+FX6d8tVtkc7Ruy41l71fWIN95d7DrFRWVrZY=; b=eJrL6b3fsP/2H4 b3LAblRFPvNpfMZLDe0vsFkvmtr3G54oDongs/i8UCosP0my40VTlUCq479kZn0WC6ElB0mFRDzWP xq2uMw+Wg1xE/C7Ge+Rkt+9UFUytVTgOW2nOu5bqxoGXujVuTeJWCiqo5Zuz1CBYU7r0waG+rZQQZ xFvckrubF+0jC6frdqwZcVDVQDlwYk+bYtqWlHhgX1zVGP1sTJG6w3GE2y6romRGqW23k65V1tl5K yYaAzzlgQLHpFTPHY2zocu1xCmE3G6l5g2PhD7eaIxn5HTVD/0czYfilNLrWLkI9YEHua+63pSL2P XZnCqTf3FwBBp8lyq4/g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1180 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojdeZ-0004qD-W6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 05:40:24 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 12:40:13 +0300 Message-Id: <838rlh77cy.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.0.50; The 'q' key is not shown by "C-h ?" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) As Subject says: "C-h ?" doesn't show the 'q' key, it shows this instead: M-x help-quick-or-quit Display the quick help buffer. This is sub-optimal, I think, and will help users who need this "quick help" less than it could be. Thinking about it, perhaps 'q'; should be on the first line shown by "C-h ?". 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