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Hello. I did set the coding system to utf-8 but at quit/r= estart the file goes to iso-latin-dos and chars such as =C3=A4 and =C3=B6 b= ecomes unreadable. Windows 11. Both the latest Emacs and older version 25.3= has this same problem.

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I have now tested this with versions 24.3, 25.3 and latest 28.2. All have this problem. First I create a new file with c-x c-f. By default, it has coding system iso-latin-9-dos. I change the coding system to utf-8 via the buffer's bottombar. Char "0" changes to "U". Then I write "=C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=A4=C3=B6" and quit emacs. When I rerun the emacs and open the text, the "=C3=B6=C3=A4" looks wrong an= d coding system is back at iso-latin-9-dos. I use Total Commander's View to verify the file is ok. The file goes wrong only if I now save the buffer. What helps is c-x ret r which asks the coding system -- I type utf-8. Also helps when I add ";;; -*- coding: utf-8-dos; -*-" to the top of file. I will use this method as solution, but this is too advanced for regular users -- please check what is the problem. Windows 11 Home, ver 22H2, installed 11.10.2022, HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop TG01-2xxx pe 14. lokak. 2022 klo 13.42 Eli Zaretskii kirjoitti: > > From: Juhana Sadeharju > > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 09:02:25 +0300 > > > > Hello. I did set the coding system to utf-8 but at quit/restart the fil= e > goes to iso-latin-dos and chars such as =C3=A4 > > and =C3=B6 becomes unreadable. Windows 11. Both the latest Emacs and ol= der > version 25.3 has this same > > problem. > > Please tell the details: how did you set coding system to utf-8, and > how did you see that the file goes to iso-latin-dos. We need these > details to investigate the problem. > > Thanks. > --000000000000f58a8a05ebbcca4b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello. I have now tested this with versions 24.3, 25.3 an= d latest 28.2. All have this problem.

First I create a new file with c-x c-f. By default, it has coding= system iso-latin-9-dos.

I change the coding system to utf-8 via the buffer's bottombar. Char &= quot;0" changes to "U".

Then I write "=C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=A4=C3=B6=C3=A4=C3=B6"= ; and quit emacs.

When I= rerun the emacs and open the text, the "=C3=B6=C3=A4" looks wron= g and coding system is back at iso-latin-9-dos.

=
I use Total Commander's View to verify the file= is ok. The file goes wrong only if I now save the buffer.

What helps is c-x ret r which asks the c= oding system -- I type utf-8.

Also helps when I add ";;; -*- coding: utf-8-dos; -*-" to t= he top of file. I will use this method as solution, but this is too advance= d for regular users -- please check what is the problem.


Windows 11 Hom= e, ver 22H2, installed 11.10.2022, HP Pavilion Gaming Desktop TG01-2xxx


pe 14. lokak. 2022 klo 13.42 Eli Zaretskii &l= t;eliz@gnu.org> kirjoitti:
=
> From: Juhana Sadeharju <johanra= inhill@gmail.com>
> Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 09:02:25 +0300
>
> Hello. I did set the coding system to utf-8 but at quit/restart the fi= le goes to iso-latin-dos and chars such as =C3=A4
> and =C3=B6 becomes unreadable. Windows 11. Both the latest Emacs and o= lder version 25.3 has this same
> problem.

Please tell the details: how did you set coding system to utf-8, and
how did you see that the file goes to iso-latin-dos.=C2=A0 We need these details to investigate the problem.

Thanks.
--000000000000f58a8a05ebbcca4b-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 24 08:45:40 2022 Received: (at 58507) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Oct 2022 12:45:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47346 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1omwpo-0005WT-IG for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:45:40 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1omwpk-0005WD-TR for 58507@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:45:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omwpX-0003le-2q; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:45:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=t1qJn58wYX+2SaklRDFvGzvpsKZJ8uRYk+Db0C/Rbaw=; b=BQ357X73+tjeQV4RywvQ nFQMzuHq15v8+BDnm0H5s+DvGoN4E/FLkuWkZdYqDuOLE+392ucMrSDE6nyd03AA9LtXu/qwHqv7P t9UUh9dVFHfAHoxKXqQe5CMkUzuuMxo2K4j2QJl1DN0f+WC0ANPinKfaKDQvIJE1RJdEN5TP57nA1 W0u5jYt6BFcXyU8n8xYz4bnQfMuW2uTAwWD3DuqRC5YPJtzUR0awVyr7XvosrGcf2lEesecjjdfzQ A2BDRzt21qFrqAJoXUj/VbWC7MKXGxyGP2OfLmTOfzXMk1qAF6jX3pA2EOrzUx3GianwjH8Jlzwtz DuUyID/9jgVpOQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1omwpU-0007Sl-Tt; Mon, 24 Oct 2022 08:45:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 15:45:07 +0300 Message-Id: <83a65lqtkc.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juhana Sadeharju In-Reply-To: (message from Juhana Sadeharju on Mon, 24 Oct 2022 03:22:44 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#58507: Emacs does not preserve the coding system References: <83o7ue8z5f.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58507 Cc: 58507@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juhana Sadeharju > Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2022 03:22:44 +0300 > Cc: 58507@debbugs.gnu.org > > First I create a new file with c-x c-f. By default, it has coding system iso-latin-9-dos. > > I change the coding system to utf-8 via the buffer's bottombar. Char "0" changes to "U". > > Then I write "äöäöäö" and quit emacs. > > When I rerun the emacs and open the text, the "öä" looks wrong and coding system is back at iso-latin-9-dos. > > I use Total Commander's View to verify the file is ok. The file goes wrong only if I now save the buffer. This is expected: the short file that you created can be interpreted both as UTF-8 and as ISO-8859-9. When there is ambiguity in detection of the encoding, Emacs prefers the locale-dependent defaults, which in your case are ISO-8859-9. > What helps is c-x ret r which asks the coding system -- I type utf-8. > > Also helps when I add ";;; -*- coding: utf-8-dos; -*-" to the top of file. I will use this method as solution, but this > is too advanced for regular users -- please check what is the problem. These are indeed two ways of telling Emacs to visit the file as encoded in UTF-8. 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Has this bug or feature been fixed? The problem is that Emacs doesn't keep the coding system I have set (utf-8). The file is opened with different coding system and all =C3=A4=C3=B6 chars are a mess. Even I set t= he coding system again to utf-8, all the mess remains. Fixing the mess does not help because the next time the coding system is wrong again. Why Emacs doesn't let user to decide what is the coding system for the file= ? I'm actually scared to use Emacs anymore because Emacs has converted thousands lines of text to a mess because of this bug. There was a trick to fix the coding system by inserting commands to the start of file, so I suggest to add a command like "fix the coding system to file" which adds the trick thing to the file. 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Hello. Has = this bug or feature been fixed? The problem is that Emacs doesn't keep = the coding system I have set (utf-8). The file is opened with different cod= ing system and all =C3=A4=C3=B6 chars are a mess. Even I set the coding sys= tem again to utf-8, all the mess remains. Fixing the mess does not help bec= ause the next time the coding system is wrong again.

Why Emacs doesn't let user to decide what = is the coding system for the file?

I'm actually scared to use Emacs anymore because Emacs has c= onverted thousands lines of text to a mess because of this bug.

There was a trick to fix the coding= system by inserting commands to the start of file, so I suggest to add a c= ommand like "fix the coding system to file" which adds the trick = thing to the file. I keep forgetting the trick.

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--000000000000c5976e05f4408eeb-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Feb 09 04:52:24 2023 Received: (at 58507) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Feb 2023 09:52:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57562 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQ3bL-000210-QJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 04:52:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41648) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1pQ3bI-00020j-DP for 58507@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 04:52:22 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pQ3bD-0001qj-2P; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 04:52:15 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=3zZyKuwrD460NUFp1CDRkdp55usrcjfox+lRx3PKtL0=; b=FG2QSwq7gXIxEG72iI0j nC5S+qAkSVoHFG5AVuKmF56PofNrSOtm8jBHlWv6Qs3nVpWClcStmhUhR8fbwq2MOUP/sNNfmuUBR 4KpE/g+pgKwO0smZPZ2oIeYurZ5X32dGvK2CFJIMhGouXUttX44d2M4N+OCIbW0Sr+8EwdDcSdUZ+ 5O1ndm725fvpj26tn2xsEYIJW1Z3GqgVedqQ38OGpoUEDL8tsNYrZ3JHJxnK97nXrSKIDHjBwvvBK A8TJBL6DUx0RrF4aVgLPIBGOJO+EcDgzWJfGEnn2zfcsF2I3po/ECp+Sv5chhRE2k3XUeY5/1eWkE f4VrhP/Z6LG5mw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1pQ3b0-0004Ft-LN; Thu, 09 Feb 2023 04:52:14 -0500 Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2023 11:52:22 +0200 Message-Id: <83edqzmai1.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Juhana Sadeharju In-Reply-To: (message from Juhana Sadeharju on Thu, 9 Feb 2023 10:56:22 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58507: Acknowledgement (Emacs does not preserve the coding system) References: MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58507 Cc: 58507@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Juhana Sadeharju > Date: Thu, 9 Feb 2023 10:56:22 +0200 > > Hello. Has this bug or feature been fixed? We made no change to Emacs due to this report, since I don't believe there's a bug here. This is how Emacs behaves, and this behavior is well documented and intended. In previous discussion of this issue, I pointed out how to deal with such situations; I repeat some of that below. > The problem is that Emacs doesn't keep the coding system I have > set (utf-8). The information about the file's encoding, if you want to keep it, should be in the file, using the 'coding:' cookie, by adding ";;; -*- coding: utf-8-dos; -*-" in the first line of the file. (You can also do this in the file's Local Variables section near the end of the file; see the "Specifying File Variables" node of the Emacs user manual for details. Alternatively, you can force Emacs to use UTF-8 when you visit the file: C-x RET c utf-8 RET C-x C-f RET The "C-x RET c utf-8 RET" prefix forces the following command to use UTF-8 for decoding and encoding text. > The file is opened with different coding system and all äö chars are a mess. Even I set the coding > system again to utf-8, all the mess remains. Fixing the mess does not help because the next time the coding > system is wrong again. > > Why Emacs doesn't let user to decide what is the coding system for the file? It does, see above. > I'm actually scared to use Emacs anymore because Emacs has converted thousands lines of text to a > mess because of this bug. As long as you only visit the file and don't make any changes to it, the "mess" on the screen is just a display problem; the file's contents is not changed. > There was a trick to fix the coding system by inserting commands to the start of file, so I suggest to add a > command like "fix the coding system to file" which adds the trick thing to the file. I keep forgetting the trick. The command is "C-x RET r". This re-reads the file after prompting you for the coding-system to decode the file's contents. Which is yet another alternative to "fix" the problem after you visit the file and notice the incorrect guess of its coding-system. 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Has this bug or feature been fixed? > > We made no change to Emacs due to this report, since I don't believe > there's a bug here. This is how Emacs behaves, and this behavior is > well documented and intended. Thanks. I'm therefore closing this bug report. From unknown Sat Jun 14 18:51:29 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sun, 01 Oct 2023 11:24:06 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator