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[PATCH] Make `message-unique-id' less prone to collisions

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Message #31 received at 58472 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Matt Armstrong <matt <at> rfc20.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 58472 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Paul Eggert <eggert <at> cs.ucla.edu>
Subject: Re: bug#58472: [PATCH] Make `message-unique-id' less prone to
 collisions
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2022 09:35:06 -0700

Stefan Kangas <stefankangas <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Matt Armstrong <matt <at> rfc20.org> writes:
>
>> Most email I get today to use a UUID or UUID-like Message-ID, like this:
>>
>> Message-ID: <736d10a6-001f-4a29-a1d4-554f58733b69 <at> dfw1s10mta1086.xt.local>
>> Message-ID: <1815053947.8446619.1665544925708 <at> lor1-app45123.prod.linkedin.com>
>> Message-ID: <01000183b9eaa6f8-411d1f4c-b573-472d-b45f-47b0c4eb6ace-000000 <at> email.amazonses.com>
>> Message-ID: <CABqZ1wa8MxrieVKZ11adZUV2qB_CnpMJoFEn-U3d5CQ7z7smWw <at> mail.gmail.com>
>
> Those are 30-51 characters in length.  I also note that Gmail uses both
> lower case and upper case characters.

Yes, the Google example is probably a crypto secure hash base64url
encoded.


>>> If we limit the length of the time string to 12 characters, and the
>>> total length to 25 characters (including the ".gnu" part), we still have
>>> a guaranteed 9 characters of random data, or 46 bits of entropy.
>>
>> I suspect that most mailers use more randomness than that.
>
> So I guess we might as well bump this up to 30 characters in total,
> which gives us 72 bits.  The Message-IDs would look like:
>
>     cnkrs75yamag1k7x8rnt3y50za.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
>     cnkrifkirauwuwfkzs3rcit8cq.gnu <at> stefankangas.se

You said you like the timestamp prefix.  How many times would that
actually be useful, and for what?

I am not seeing the utility myself, but I might be missing something.


> We could go longer, but it's also nice to have something which is not an
> absolute abomination to look at.
>
> If we add in upper case characters too, we can encode the time with one
> less character.  So we end up with 89 bits of randomness and this:
>
>     1Z2KnqE1t2bSgUWkcu53M34Y4y.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
>     1Z2KbUgleGoe0WRJ3jbiM0mE7W.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
>
> If we don't want to always start the Message-ID with the same characters
> (which makes them more distinct, at a glance), we could just reverse the
> time string:
>
>     QlRXPpmK2Z1kUklxIpMNZpChOu.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
>     Z59YikmK2Z1FSmYj172SAdPpuX.gnu <at> stefankangas.se

Maybe use (base64url-encode-string str t) is an option?


>> Some of the SHA hash algorithms are in the public domain.  Could they be
>> added to Emacs and used for UUID generation here?
>
> We have `secure-hash'.  Is that what you mean?  Or do you mean to use a
> proper RFC 4122 UUID?
>
> All we need is for the Message-ID to be unique though, so some ad hoc
> solution is probably fine.

I am no security expert, so I'll end with this and then be quiet on this
issue.  :-)

I agree that globally unique (with very high probability) is pretty easy
to design in ad hoc ways within a private namespace.  But Message-ID is
not that.  The Message-ID space consists of all Message-ID generated by
all programs past, present and future.  An impossible goal, given that
the RFC basically says "go make something up, have fun with that", so it
is a free for all.

Given that, timestamp + short-rng + ".gnu" doesn't feel good enough to
me, but I won't lose sleep if you use that solution.

In these situations I usually feel better going with what seems like an
existing practice: encode a crypto hash sourced from (possibly security
sensitive) entropy available on the local machine.

Inspired by https://nullprogram.com/blog/2010/05/11/ and the code linked
there (https://nullprogram.com/download/uuid.el) I came up with this:

;; Written while discussing Emacs bug#58472
(defun my-message-unique-id()
  (let* ((object (format "%S|%s|%s|%s"
                         (time-convert nil t)
                         (random (expt 2 512))
                         (emacs-uptime)
                         (emacs-pid)))
         (hash (secure-hash 'sha512 object nil nil t))
         (encoded-hash (base64url-encode-string hash t))
         (id (concat encoded-hash ".gnu")))
    ;; Replace leading and trailing non-alnum with ?x.  This is not
    ;; necessary to create strictly conforming Message-Id, but it makes
    ;; them less confusing in practice.
    (dolist (index `(0 ,(1- (length id))))
      (let ((char (aref id index)))
        (when (or (eq char ?-)
                  (eq char ?_))
          (aset id index ?x))))
    id))

This gives IDs like:

   lzD9K4s2GkiGmZhmP46M4ezv37sGEQO2tU2GX2mx-rs.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
   wEUY87gazgDLnsARlJZ5MEY4pgFZmDhxy9IZhbDLpfA.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
   VbUzrNkjJiCnZYiDzMdcqz2BqibzismlaR8ZkcU6O7E.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
   XX8f7gOrT1Iv-NLdZBjHgz8s4u4EF2uE7o-UttFgF0U.gnu <at> stefankangas.se
   tp9f3Up7ilsrH8XqtmQT4_evPkOO-EteN127d9bt85s.gnu <at> stefankangas.se

One advantage of this approach is that it is possible to add more
sources of entropy, or grow the hash function, without necessarily
requiring a "format" version change, because we're relying on the hash
for uniqueness in a sort of brute force way, not a schema and a hope
that only Emacs uses it.

One question: I'm not sure that (random (exp 2 512)) actually gives more
entropy than a simple call to (random).  It depends on Emacs' RNG.  Last
I checked there was code still calling something like rand(), which
generally not intended for this purpose.

P.S. if you go with your original approach, I think you want (expt 2 X)
instead of (exp X).

-- 
matt (sent from an Emacs running the feature/noverlay branch)

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