From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 04:48:40 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 08:48:40 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4Sd-0007AM-LQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:39 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4Sc-0007AH-BZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:38 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:45935 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4SZ-00016F-FP for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:44756) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4SZ-0006fg-0K for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:35 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4ST-0003MP-Ta for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:30 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.0 Received: from acsinet12.oracle.com ([141.146.126.234]:43798) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nz4ST-0003MF-M6 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:48:29 -0400 Received: from acsinet15.oracle.com (acsinet15.oracle.com [141.146.126.227]) by acsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o368m7CG007135 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:48:25 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by acsinet15.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o350icO7025923 for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:43:05 GMT Received: from abhmt014.oracle.com by acsmt355.oracle.com with ESMTP id 139275671270543383; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 01:43:03 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.225.69) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 01:43:03 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.1.95; bad mouse bindings for Info mode line node name Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 01:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: <2789A62143D34A13844BBD6F6273B7F2@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcrVZSo5GM3BL6I/Tx+/yIkt/1uJ5w== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090204.4BBAF41A.0035:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) When you click the mouse on the current node name in Info, these are the bindings: mouse-1: Info-mouse-scroll-up mouse-3: Info-mouse-scroll-down Those should be reversed. The leftmost of the two buttons used for this should move backward. The rightmost should move forward. In left-to-right text, to the left means backward. And this is in keeping with the binding of DEL (which normally deletes text backward) to Info-scroll-down. There is a natural association between left and back, and between right and forward. In GNU Emacs 23.1.95.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-04-03 on G41R2F1 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/imagesupport/include' From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 11:26:28 2010 Received: (at 5841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 15:26:28 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAfb-0001vY-ON for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:26:28 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po17.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.73]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAfZ-0001vQ-N1 for 5841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:26:26 -0400 Received: from furry (adsl-99-70-212-128.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net [99.70.212.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po17.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o36FQKqR019415 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:26:20 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 49A84C055; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:26:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.1.95; bad mouse bindings for Info mode line node name Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:26:20 -0400 Message-ID: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5841 Cc: 5841@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > When you click the mouse on the current node name in Info, these are the > bindings: > > mouse-1: Info-mouse-scroll-up > mouse-3: Info-mouse-scroll-down > > Those should be reversed. The leftmost of the two buttons used for this > should move backward. The rightmost should move forward. No. There is a reason for this binding: it's much more common to advance through a document, so mouse-1 is used for it. (Let's not get into a long argument over this.) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 11:34:54 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 15:34:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAnm-00020h-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:34:54 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po35.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.83]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAnk-00020R-2l for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:34:52 -0400 Received: from furry (adsl-99-70-212-128.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net [99.70.212.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po35.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o36FYlUZ025688 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:34:47 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id EBB50C055; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 11:34:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: control@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: severity 5846 serious Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:34:46 -0400 Message-ID: <877hoka92h.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) severity 5846 serious tags 5841 + wishlist notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 11:43:26 2010 Received: (at 5841) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 15:43:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAw1-00025E-Ph for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:43:25 -0400 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzAvz-000259-Pp for 5841@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:43:24 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o36Fh7CR017778 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:43:18 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o36ExR6g012469; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 15:43:06 GMT Received: from abhmt005.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 140282611270568522; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:42:02 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.225.69) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 08:42:02 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Subject: RE: 23.1.95; bad mouse bindings for Info mode line node name Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 08:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: <7DA33536D94C4AC4ACD7ECF49EFE17E9@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: AcrVnYmuEZG5UozxQBeAqFGlrBNMqQAAFjbQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090207.4BBB568B.0078:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5841 Cc: 5841@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > When you click the mouse on the current node name in Info, > > these are the bindings: > > > > mouse-1: Info-mouse-scroll-up > > mouse-3: Info-mouse-scroll-down > > > > Those should be reversed. The leftmost of the two buttons > > used for this should move backward. The rightmost should > > move forward. > > No. There is a reason for this binding: it's much more common to > advance through a document, so mouse-1 is used for it. (Let's not > get into a long argument over this.) There is a reason for almost everything. But not necessarily a good reason. Why is mouse-1 significantly better than mouse-3 for a much-more-common operation? That either button is better than mouse-2 I could understand, since some people don't even have a mouse-2 or use a wheel button for it, which is sometimes less handy. But mouse-1 has no great advantage over mouse-3. Neither is hard to use. And the "more common use" reason is anyway a very weak one. It is more common to do neither, and many users will forget which is which. When they do occasionally try one they shouldn't have to backtrack because it was ill-designed. It is more important that the buttons correspond to what one would naturally expect. Left stands for left; right stands for right. Couldn't be more obvious and expected. It is simply perverse to have the left button move right and the right button move left. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Feb 21 21:44:21 2012 Received: (at 5841-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2012 02:44:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49674 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S02Bp-0000xr-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:44:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]:55787 ident=Debian-exim) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1S02Bm-0000xk-OF for 5841-done@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:44:19 -0500 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1S029W-0007Ma-Jo; Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:41:58 -0500 From: Glenn Morris To: 5841-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#5841: 23.1.95; bad mouse bindings for Info mode line node name References: <2789A62143D34A13844BBD6F6273B7F2@us.oracle.com> <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> X-Spook: brigand Khaddafi 9/11 ISEC genetic AMEMB Commecen Albright X-Ran: [a/kMn.Kztu}+u~vi?f:iIkw~5Qr2s~kDb7?'x]Y^R"l/DLx<{XT%P?@w/9-[V`x+O2BQx X-Hue: green X-Attribution: GM Date: Tue, 21 Feb 2012 21:41:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: <87mxxgwqjn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> (Chong Yidong's message of "Tue, 06 Apr 2010 11:26:20 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus (www.gnus.org), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs/) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5841-done X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.13 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -4.2 (----) It was explained that this won't be changed. 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