From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:10:43 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#58319 <58319@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#58319 <58319@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 29.0.50; Not logical compilation warnings Reply-To: bug#58319 <58319@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2025 11:10:43 +0000 retitle 58319 29.0.50; Not logical compilation warnings reassign 58319 emacs submitter 58319 "Jean Louis" severity 58319 normal tag 58319 notabug thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 05 16:33:17 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2022 20:33:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58197 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ogB4u-00034D-DQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:33:17 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53866) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1og9qP-0000tE-Kr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 15:14:15 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33184) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og9qP-0006U5-Db for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 15:14:13 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:54761) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1og9qL-0002eL-S5 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 15:14:12 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:154.227.156.251]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000BA40A.00000000633DD760.00007A0D; Wed, 05 Oct 2022 12:13:36 -0700 From: "Jean Louis" To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Subject: 29.0.50; Not logical compilation warnings Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:25:00 +0300 Message-ID: <86o7uq5ds3.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Received-SPF: pass client-ip=217.170.207.13; envelope-from=admin@protected.rcdrun.com; helo=stw1.rcdrun.com X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 16:33:13 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) I am testing new function M-x emacs-lisp-native-compile-and-load and I can see some new warnings that I have not seen before. These warnings are not enlightening neither helpful. It is not clear what the sign + after number means. It is unclear if it means "5 and more" or "more than five". That sign is not helpful. To me it looks same 5+ and 5-10, as both mean to me that it is 5 and more arguments. But maybe author wants to say what it should mean. In rcd-db-report: rcd-cf.el:365:8: Warning: function rcd-db-report used to take 5+ arguments, now takes 5-10 In cf-address-add: rcd-cf.el:956:8: Warning: function cf-address-add used to take 0+ arguments, now takes 0-10 In cf-people-relations-add: rcd-cf.el:3351:8: Warning: function cf-people-relations-add used to take 0+ arguments, now takes 0-19 In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, X toolkit, cairo version 1.17.6, Xaw3d scroll bars) of 2022-10-05 built on protected.rcdrun.com Repository revision: 9449e0740cd97bbcdbaeb4713dc2dd51e65994fd Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12101004 System Description: Parabola GNU/Linux-libre Configured using: 'configure --with-x-toolkit=lucid --with-native-compilation' Configured features: ACL CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GPM GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBOTF LIBSYSTEMD LIBXML2 M17N_FLT MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SECCOMP SOUND SQLITE3 THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS WEBP X11 XAW3D XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM LUCID ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: en_US.UTF-8 value of $LANG: de_DE.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=exwm-xim locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 06 01:33:24 2022 Received: (at 58319) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Oct 2022 05:33:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58558 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ogJVb-0001ye-O4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:33:23 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ogJVZ-0001yQ-Pr for 58319@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:33:23 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogJVU-0004qg-Fw; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:33:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=snsAGpt2WBDqjgP/4Kaa9J1j4RME0GByqOAtlhQc+wA=; b=TiCpGnDG8aH0 X46AFiuOLonVgekqdtnBWqKTbTJFn6HGSHc3bjfkVI8Un8+OQ3HCV0tq9HBSZZI73po61PzdpOoAe pUHDKU9NZf3IVQ8Xawyuu2S9WRx/ZIOU1Z1MegbFQuetL0hSb9E4SA/x49/y7I9bUo2GvT/lsJIsv /xp4cg4XZJsZxBpllP9vJ4D2SfME0zsexU5voFfOcMX5LDL7JFthi4FvBh/3RyAOujQ/Qvr5GMWku KSp7QBzrJG+f9Bmrp27jGxJ01ucVV5yTBaJTnWkLCsbXNE9yVgPTMDbHFQ3XGMfbl77DKF+TXDJEK Hn3QaPQsbt0sPAxfczVT5Q==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2808 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ogJVS-0004bx-Sp; Thu, 06 Oct 2022 01:33:15 -0400 Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2022 08:33:15 +0300 Message-Id: <837d1dsehw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: "Jean Louis" In-Reply-To: <86o7uq5ds3.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> (bugs@rcdrun.com) Subject: Re: bug#58319: 29.0.50; Not logical compilation warnings References: <86o7uq5ds3.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58319 Cc: 58319@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: "Jean Louis" > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:25:00 +0300 > > > I am testing new function M-x emacs-lisp-native-compile-and-load > and I can see some new warnings that I have not seen before. The aspects of the warnings you are asking about have nothing to do with native-compilation, the warnings are emitted by the byte compiler. > These warnings are not enlightening neither helpful. Maybe you need to get used to what they say, that's all. > It is not clear what the sign + after number means. It is unclear if it > means "5 and more" or "more than five". That sign is not helpful. It means 5 or more. Usually, it means the function's signature has 5 mandatory arguments and then something like "&rest args". > To me it looks same 5+ and 5-10, as both mean to me that it is 5 and > more arguments. But maybe author wants to say what it should mean. Emacs can only say "5-10" when the function uses &optional, because only in that case it is possible to know how many more can follow. I think this format of warnings exists since about forever. 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Content preview: * Eli Zaretskii [2022-10-06 08:35]: > > From: "Jean Louis" > > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:25:00 +0300 > > > > > > I am testing new function M-x emacs-lisp-native-compil [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.6 RCVD_IN_SBL RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL [197.239.4.113 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Eli Zaretskii [2022-10-06 08:35]: > > From: "Jean Louis" > > Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2022 21:25:00 +0300 > > > > > > I am testing new function M-x emacs-lisp-native-compile-and-load > > and I can see some new warnings that I have not seen before. > > The aspects of the warnings you are asking about have nothing to do > with native-compilation, the warnings are emitted by the byte > compiler. Thanks, I get understanding. > > These warnings are not enlightening neither helpful. > > Maybe you need to get used to what they say, that's all. Of course I can get used to less meaningful expression, but I protest against such. > > It is not clear what the sign + after number means. It is unclear if it > > means "5 and more" or "more than five". That sign is not helpful. > > It means 5 or more. Usually, it means the function's signature has 5 > mandatory arguments and then something like "&rest args". > > To me it looks same 5+ and 5-10, as both mean to me that it is 5 and > > more arguments. But maybe author wants to say what it should mean. > > Emacs can only say "5-10" when the function uses &optional, because > only in that case it is possible to know how many more can follow. > > I think this format of warnings exists since about forever. That means when it says "5-10" that it is limited to 10, and "5+" means it is not limited to how many arguments it can take. That meaning is not clearly expressed, it is something only insiders know. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. 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This is a human-facing = message and we can be nicer: either '5 or more' or 'at least 5' would be = clearer. '5-10' is not quite as problematic. 'from 5 to 10' would probably do, = and 'between 5 and 10' is better but also worse since it could be = misinterpreted as the set {6..9} unless we append ' inclusive'. No = strong opinion here. As a special case, '5-6' is always better written as '5 or 6'. I've looked through the various contexts where the messages appear and = the patch below (which keeps 'X-Y') should be an improvement in all = cases. 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I think your change looks like an improvement -- it clarifies without making the warnings substantially longer. 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Thank you, pushed to master. (Of course '3-5' should really be '3=E2=80=935' but who knows what = terminal trouble that would cause.) 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But it should be something like: - 5 or more without limit - 5 to maximum 10 -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 07 09:07:18 2022 Received: (at 58319) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Oct 2022 13:07:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34800 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ogn4Q-0007wD-Ls for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:07:18 -0400 Received: from stw1.rcdrun.com ([217.170.207.13]:42235) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ogn4O-0007vn-SJ for 58319@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 09:07:17 -0400 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.239.4.55]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.3,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by stw1.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000000BA495.000000006340247F.00007962; Fri, 07 Oct 2022 06:07:11 -0700 Date: Fri, 7 Oct 2022 14:00:02 +0300 From: Jean Louis To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: Re: bug#58319: 29.0.50; Not logical compilation warnings Message-ID: References: <86o7uq5ds3.fsf@protected.rcdrun.com> <26A6DA68-340D-41CB-8CC8-992C86320399@gmail.com> <878rltywdy.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <878rltywdy.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Mutt/2.2.7+37 (a90f69b) (2022-09-02) X-Spam-Score: 2.6 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-10-06 16:06]: > Mattias Engdegård writes: > > > I've looked through the various contexts where the messages appear and > > the [...] Content analysis details: (2.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.6 RCVD_IN_SBL RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL [197.239.4.55 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58319 Cc: Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= , 58319@debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii , Stefan Monnier X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 1.6 (+) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-10-06 16:06]: > Mattias Engdegård writes: > > > I've looked through the various contexts where the messages appear and > > the [...] Content analysis details: (1.6 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 2.6 RCVD_IN_SBL RBL: Received via a relay in Spamhaus SBL [197.239.4.55 listed in zen.spamhaus.org] -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record -0.0 SPF_HELO_PASS SPF: HELO matches SPF record -1.0 MAILING_LIST_MULTI Multiple indicators imply a widely-seen list manager * Lars Ingebrigtsen [2022-10-06 16:06]: > Mattias Engdegård writes: > > > I've looked through the various contexts where the messages appear and > > the patch below (which keeps 'X-Y') should be an improvement in all > > cases. Anyone strongly against? > > I think your change looks like an improvement -- it clarifies without > making the warnings substantially longer. Cutting the meaning for purpose of making warnings shorter is detrimental. Warnings are for human and they are not stored anywhere. You waste no hard disk space. -- Jean Take action in Free Software Foundation campaigns: https://www.fsf.org/campaigns In support of Richard M. Stallman https://stallmansupport.org/ From unknown Mon Jun 23 04:10:43 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2022 11:24:04 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator