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Screen flickers on with-locale-environment To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c890eb05e9e4a739" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::631; envelope-from=paaguti@gmail.com; helo=mail-ej1-x631.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000c890eb05e9e4a739 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Include the following code in *scratch* (with-locale-environment "C" (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker In GNU Emacs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.20, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-09-25 built on emacs29 Repository revision: d98ee767765032acc7f8f14c86dcbbfb67dbcaee Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12013000 System Description: Ubuntu 20.04.5 LTS Configured using: 'configure --prefix=/usr --program-suffix=29 --with-json --with-x --with-x-toolkit=gtk3 --with-cairo --with-compress-install --with-modules=yes --with-threads --with-included-regex --with-zlib --with-native-compilation 'CFLAGS=-g -O2 -fdebug-prefix-map=/home/paag/emacs=. -fstack-protector-strong -Wformat -Werror=format-security' 'CPPFLAGS=-Wdate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=2' 'LDFLAGS=-Wl,-Bsymbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro'' Configured features: CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOTIFY PDUMPER PNG SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X11 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM GTK3 ZLIB Important settings: value of $LC_MONETARY: es_ES.UTF-8 value of $LC_NUMERIC: es_ES.UTF-8 value of $LC_TIME: es_ES.UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Lisp Interaction Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t eldoc-mode: t show-paren-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t line-number-mode: t indent-tabs-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. Features: (shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media puny dired dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg rfc6068 epg-config gnus-util text-property-search mm-decode mm-bodies mm-encode mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheader sendmail rfc2047 rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-utils time-date cl-loaddefs comp comp-cstr warnings icons subr-x rx cl-seq cl-macs gv cl-extra help-mode bytecomp byte-compile cconv cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff-hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd fontset image regexp-opt fringe tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode lisp-mode prog-mode register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch easymenu timer select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax font-core term/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic indonesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process native-compile emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 78797 7326) (symbols 48 7139 0) (strings 32 19737 1932) (string-bytes 1 573331) (vectors 16 15678) (vector-slots 8 321210 11742) (floats 8 29 58) (intervals 56 402 1) (buffers 1000 12)) -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000c890eb05e9e4a739 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Include the following= code in *scratch*

(with-locale-environment "= C"
=C2=A0 (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y = %H:%m:%S %z")))

Evaluate with C-c C-e and exp= erience a screen flicker


In GNU Ema= cs 29.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version
=C2=A03.24= .20, cairo version 1.16.0) of 2022-09-25 built on emacs29
Reposit= ory revision: d98ee767765032acc7f8f14c86dcbbfb67dbcaee
Repository= branch: master
Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Found= ation', version 11.0.12013000
System Description: Ubuntu 20.0= 4.5 LTS

Configured using:
=C2=A0'con= figure --prefix=3D/usr --program-suffix=3D29 --with-json --with-x
=C2=A0--with-x-toolkit=3Dgtk3 --with-cairo --with-compress-install
=C2=A0--with-modules=3Dyes --with-threads --with-included-regex --with-z= lib
=C2=A0--with-native-compilation 'CFLAGS=3D-g -O2
=C2=A0-fdebug-prefix-map=3D/home/paag/emacs=3D. -fstack-protector-strong = -Wformat
=C2=A0-Werror=3Dformat-security' 'CPPFLAGS=3D-Wd= ate-time -D_FORTIFY_SOURCE=3D2'
=C2=A0'LDFLAGS=3D-Wl,-Bsy= mbolic-functions -Wl,-z,relro''

Configured= features:
CAIRO DBUS FREETYPE GIF GLIB GMP GNUTLS GSETTINGS HARF= BUZZ JPEG JSON
LIBSELINUX LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY INOT= IFY PDUMPER PNG
SECCOMP SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS X1= 1 XDBE XIM XINPUT2 XPM
GTK3 ZLIB

Importa= nt settings:
=C2=A0 value of $LC_MONETARY: es_ES.UTF-8
= =C2=A0 value of $LC_NUMERIC: es_ES.UTF-8
=C2=A0 value of $LC_TIME= : es_ES.UTF-8
=C2=A0 value of $LANG: en_GB.UTF-8
=C2=A0= value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=3Dibus
=C2=A0 locale-coding-system: ut= f-8-unix

Major mode: Lisp Interaction
Minor modes in effect:
=C2=A0 tooltip-mode: t
<= div>=C2=A0 global-eldoc-mode: t
=C2=A0 eldoc-mode: t
= =C2=A0 show-paren-mode: t
=C2=A0 electric-indent-mode: t
=C2=A0 mouse-wheel-mode: t
=C2=A0 tool-bar-mode: t
= =C2=A0 menu-bar-mode: t
=C2=A0 file-name-shadow-mode: t
=C2=A0 global-font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 font-lock-mode: t
=C2=A0 blink-cursor-mode: t
=C2=A0 line-number-mode: t
=C2=A0 indent-tabs-mode: t
=C2=A0 transient-mark-mode: t
=
=C2=A0 auto-composition-mode: t
=C2=A0 auto-encryption-mode:= t
=C2=A0 auto-compression-mode: t

Load-= path shadows:
None found.

Features:
(shadow sort mail-extr emacsbug message mailcap yank-media puny dired=
dired-loaddefs rfc822 mml mml-sec password-cache epa derived epg= rfc6068
epg-config gnus-util text-property-search mm-decode mm-b= odies mm-encode
mail-parse rfc2231 mailabbrev gmm-utils mailheade= r sendmail rfc2047
rfc2045 ietf-drums mm-util mail-prsvr mail-uti= ls time-date cl-loaddefs
comp comp-cstr warnings icons subr-x rx = cl-seq cl-macs gv cl-extra
help-mode bytecomp byte-compile cconv = cl-lib rmc iso-transl tooltip
eldoc paren electric uniquify ediff= -hook vc-hooks lisp-float-type
elisp-mode mwheel term/x-win x-win= term/common-win x-dnd tool-bar dnd
fontset image regexp-opt frin= ge tabulated-list replace newcomment
text-mode lisp-mode prog-mod= e register page tab-bar menu-bar rfn-eshadow
isearch easymenu tim= er select scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax
font-core te= rm/tty-colors frame minibuffer nadvice seq simple cl-generic
indo= nesian philippine cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang vietnamese
t= ibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek
romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese
=
composite emoji-zwj charscript charprop case-table epa-hook
= jka-cmpr-hook help abbrev obarray oclosure cl-preloaded button loaddefs
faces cus-face macroexp files window text-properties overlay sha1 md= 5
base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget keymap
hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify
dyn= amic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo
move-t= oolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process
nat= ive-compile emacs)

Memory information:
(= (conses 16 78797 7326)
=C2=A0(symbols 48 7139 0)
=C2=A0= (strings 32 19737 1932)
=C2=A0(string-bytes 1 573331)
= =C2=A0(vectors 16 15678)
=C2=A0(vector-slots 8 321210 11742)
=C2=A0(floats 8 29 58)
=C2=A0(intervals 56 402 1)
=C2=A0(buffers 1000 12))

--
Frage= n sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestel= lt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headaches wit= h a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.= operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet
--000000000000c890eb05e9e4a739-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 09:50:43 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 13:50:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40897 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGPb-0003aB-Jv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:50:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54330) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGPZ-0003Zx-5f for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:50:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54436) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGPS-0000t9-VJ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:50:35 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=gzYT7eBQKJvwcbc8suUOEA5zl2f16GiFBx8ogAEvLoc=; b=DZsIClielQ8/ SEaTdJ4RC/8gVZSmSdByeHMSkdJZ/lL3MNARE2mXd/BQx+IUq3cYHpGqmV5BHlgq/e7zzAnqpRyEZ uc3L8luxND6jdunJCBUAys9LLdcu9UOBroHBGXOFTBES7MGlfjsOLLRxA67022iYW5g4da0pn+m/N 2zIOetaMaB5Knoz8okvyP3C30Efliq0N+wx1KFYlo1JN4mQzleabNSB3w1nGkKl5qrBgBC88YOny/ v1MUnMPeA+Byl/5SygLceQt/Z2QYUok/Jec6ht0zG0lCaFay+LcQpFDdv+7PLTeOtaIm2VI6Et4xk y3gOXuYHbNZo4Cymx+mZjg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2823 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGPR-0005Jj-Ka; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:50:34 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:50:19 +0300 Message-Id: <834jwpdl9g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez In-Reply-To: (message from Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:05:34 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:05:34 +0200 > > Include the following code in *scratch* > > (with-locale-environment "C" > (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker with-locale-environment calls set-terminal-coding-system, which calls redraw-frame. That's the reason you see the flicker. I see no bug here, FWIW. 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Content preview: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > Include the following code in *scratch* > > (with-locale-environment "C" > (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > Include the following code in *scratch* > > (with-locale-environment "C" > (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker I think I've now fixed this -- can you test? (I don't see the flicker myself.) 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I tried (message (with-locale-environment "es_ES.utf8" (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) and (message (with-locale-environment "C" (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) And in both cases I get the "C" locale :( Before the strings were correctly generated Thanks for the patience, /PA On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 16:14, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > Include the following code in *scratch* > > > > (with-locale-environment "C" > > (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > > > Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker > > I think I've now fixed this -- can you test? (I don't see the flicker > myself.) > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000dee29905e9e6dafd Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
It does= n't flicker... but it doesn't seem to change the locale either...= =C2=A0
I tried

(m= essage=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0(with-locale-environment "= es_ES.utf8"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(format-tim= e-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z")))=C2=A0
<= br>
and

(message=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0
=C2=A0(with-locale-environment "C"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b = %Y %H:%m:%S %z")))=C2=A0

And in both ca= ses I get the "C" locale :(
Before the strings were cor= rectly generated

Thanks for the patience, /PA

On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 16:14, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez = <paaguti@gmail.co= m> writes:

> Include the following code in *scratch*
>
> (with-locale-environment "C"
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0(insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S= %z")))
>
> Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker

I think I've now fixed this -- can you test?=C2=A0 (I don't see the= flicker
myself.)


--
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headach= es with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

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Content preview: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > It doesn't flicker... but it doesn't seem to change the locale either... > I tried > > (message > (with-locale-environment "es_ES.utf8" > (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > and [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > It doesn't flicker... but it doesn't seem to change the locale either... > I tried > > (message > (with-locale-environment "es_ES.utf8" > (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > and > > (message > (with-locale-environment "C" > (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > And in both cases I get the "C" locale :( > Before the strings were correctly generated Does (message (with-locale-environment "es_ES.UTF-8" (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) work better? If not, do you have the "es_ES.UTF-8" locale in your environment? In any case, with this recipe (i.e., the `message' around the `with-locale--' I can reproduce the flashing, even after the fix. :-/ But I get ;; vie, 30 sep 2022 18:09:18 +0200 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 13:32:08 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 17:32:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42845 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJrr-0005hl-OJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:32:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57462) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJrn-0005hE-8y for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:32:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60050) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJrd-0004Qv-51; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:31:57 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=F5sFlZlk5a5UAXlUQyhMx2JUJjHQZIfSEw/KPMBfnHc=; b=Sx72qDnD7dc8 SGsVehfoj+9+1HZU54RiPTASFw1M2niaOJedTHu7/ZWzEQoKfOHRsTe7BN3zoVVHpqPLixASe3NOg MwROwTnA8HXswcfuNgpPlZyFVn6GbUfZ8gMGeR3dXQnmjj9Gyz6r4dn7PHakztYF8uQNlDmXCfRlF a6zHbXgRcLwRp7znKtpiGePihYlUR7sURIJSy4WNIJukxf4dsySnn4GyChSvpXCEbpcahLXECTXfz gDj7Wbww1KVrYeGZ2M9vumo1jgFiFatWhztAXBoKg0iMSuHGGRrKBL8bZQZnuaDQS+WBhlLmN6zr/ 35Rt+n0xjOb/bYv5UuZVew==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4401 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJrb-0006mE-Kn; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:31:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 20:31:37 +0300 Message-Id: <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:14:49 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:14:49 +0200 > > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > Include the following code in *scratch* > > > > (with-locale-environment "C" > > (insert (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z"))) > > > > Evaluate with C-c C-e and experience a screen flicker > > I think I've now fixed this -- can you test? (I don't see the flicker > myself.) I'd rather leave the decision whether to redraw or not to the caller. I don't see how we can safely assume that the caller never wants to actually use the locale's settings for something display-oriented. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 13:34:31 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 17:34:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42849 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJuB-0005kv-8f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:34:31 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJu7-0005kd-8h for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:34:29 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=/SKxqf0AIRJv0s0Kl9H1TGdIXilK5PX292pY80PeooU=; b=A75EP2iMcnmZCguYV+PBbowJKU O7/r470suIT/3sY4Wkt3Bme2OC+Z8uwzwMMXGraD9dWGMaSNWwzJcsFemIOh311XQFmAHvxn+RjiM GyWe4Im1If3mG6+Qnmhj+Z03ODTP/T3sYRZ0J8Ps8C4TJz5w3wGv+406fxHAJzy0fewc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeJty-0002bI-1M; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:34:20 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2022 20:31:37 +0300") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX9/f3R0daspqKZ gmpXT0smISX///9Gt9VNAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+YJHhAaICZ6aYEAAAGESURBVDjL rZRNmoIwDIYBPcC0Mnttda+07AdIDjCQ3v8qk7ZYWnSe2Uw28uQ1PyRfqKo/rZaXj3du69imF9Sg C0bnnd8lK0iNG6A8281lNr9NVCa7lSCF1G5nzyqfsegGvleA+wgqSuNLriM/QQm+AmjZq3pfArAo opQGdSNHxigbwRIA/3OUHGE4susjedaeJeKMD6HQYKp+4N/h6tAOQkhNmKbim+paIhBslz6C+wqo p2X0QF4x9XuckLiZ5eGBOG0vciSclUXHoKqFzIBzo5yEPouPF9BpMMK3LgIAeALNjzT4AHEiP7cA GkeSwdpVu7Xb0HyxHKFDV7ZPL1i7UfmxmsFnmrKFIBieL4w8KwnXsLK4wttkrOUqBgBMXH7UyUFd w4ao0xojiBtsRgu5FDBJDiGTjiPOWOgq8z91lUmX9wSZePvknwzCKoVq3e5qE2/gvt1BnyfbAtYq UW5U3lrrXY8gt6G8Tj+jRfFEHvt7PsVEyV9nHwbW7naxdfWL/Sf4AfWXwTK4WDWxAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA5LTMwVDE2OjI2OjMyKzAwOjAw3p2IzAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMi0wOS0zMFQxNjoyNjozMiswMDowMK/AMHAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: DJ Rupture's _Uproot (The Ingredients)_: "Plays John Cassavettes pt. 2" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:34:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'd rather leave the decision whether to redraw or not to the caller. > I don't see how we can safely assume that the caller never wants to > actually use the locale's settings for something display [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > I'd rather leave the decision whether to redraw or not to the caller. > I don't see how we can safely assume that the caller never wants to > actually use the locale's settings for something display-oriented. That's what this does. If the caller wants to redraw, the caller should call `redraw-frame' in the body of that macro. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 13:41:02 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 17:41:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42854 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK0U-0005uT-4H for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:41:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41902) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK0S-0005ts-Vu for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:41:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59730) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK0M-0005lQ-Rv; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:40:54 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=STFlIGHP5fYIvOyHeMxC4ZgMHI+lRwSDCqNrA+kViOs=; b=NuA3JTKJLJi2 moilScAE4P9omc5WEIHAuB2ry+r2Z7/m6v49K+Rdvb1nX6HQwWADN6844lCQ1zfqAhzrFX+I+V3l+ ZdB6oG8eliZD5hdjRx5oj1GK/GmL36lXeI8+SSePfdZ9BZ15XCNVkruWnIhRPXohK9SXPq3c0NB02 yIv+o8PhlZ4lv7iuop+9i+c5/5KOP4gwiPV7MtdG2T9xvMDP58L/ixtT1o812bhoBfBceLLMwhQ9z qiNrMRlIhoGXgqSihGxl0xPP2R/D7k9R92pKnnACHicKDnHfkjgDSwcb5YqIUlbkgW2f0iIYV40E2 8X/OJuB7XqWgNEbahgvX4g==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4960 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK0K-0006do-7f; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:40:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 20:40:38 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:34:17 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: paaguti@gmail.com, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:34:17 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > I'd rather leave the decision whether to redraw or not to the caller. > > I don't see how we can safely assume that the caller never wants to > > actually use the locale's settings for something display-oriented. > > That's what this does. If the caller wants to redraw, the caller should > call `redraw-frame' in the body of that macro. IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller. I'd prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does include display. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 13:43:22 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 17:43:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42858 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK2k-0005xe-Kw for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:43:22 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:57728) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK2j-0005xQ-8T for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 13:43:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=M60hWfZPbPxmsn5oxU8y749dgdfsxHVfby2QTlQbteU=; b=IXpR/UgML11wPecoB+qv615EFE +ZGdDa3qHjA3XNRcPnmgR9QSBiHEvw13nc/wsBu3b3tnWaiUVTPBScP/nbOzZ5UQ6m4OWvOnwI6Tt XX2N+B5OeLIiEOMO7YYFOx+MpDvV3ZDtn2niDBMWi4O3CyE5R02dXrOZoc1NmQqaHq5o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeK2a-0002g5-5S; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:14 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2022 20:40:38 +0300") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEX9/f3R0daspqKZ gmpXT0smISX///9Gt9VNAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+YJHhAaICZ6aYEAAAGESURBVDjL rZRNmoIwDIYBPcC0Mnttda+07AdIDjCQ3v8qk7ZYWnSe2Uw28uQ1PyRfqKo/rZaXj3du69imF9Sg C0bnnd8lK0iNG6A8281lNr9NVCa7lSCF1G5nzyqfsegGvleA+wgqSuNLriM/QQm+AmjZq3pfArAo opQGdSNHxigbwRIA/3OUHGE4susjedaeJeKMD6HQYKp+4N/h6tAOQkhNmKbim+paIhBslz6C+wqo p2X0QF4x9XuckLiZ5eGBOG0vciSclUXHoKqFzIBzo5yEPouPF9BpMMK3LgIAeALNjzT4AHEiP7cA GkeSwdpVu7Xb0HyxHKFDV7ZPL1i7UfmxmsFnmrKFIBieL4w8KwnXsLK4wttkrOUqBgBMXH7UyUFd w4ao0xojiBtsRgu5FDBJDiGTjiPOWOgq8z91lUmX9wSZePvknwzCKoVq3e5qE2/gvt1BnyfbAtYq UW5U3lrrXY8gt6G8Tj+jRfFEHvt7PsVEyV9nHwbW7naxdfWL/Sf4AfWXwTK4WDWxAAAAJXRFWHRk YXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA5LTMwVDE2OjI2OjMyKzAwOjAw3p2IzAAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2Rp ZnkAMjAyMi0wOS0zMFQxNjoyNjozMiswMDowMK/AMHAAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: DJ Rupture's _Uproot (The Ingredients)_: "Ignadjossi feat. Jhonel" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller. I'd > prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does include > display. It's a macro that changes the locale. It doesn't say anything about doing redisplay at all, so anybody that wants to do redisplay (for whatever reason) will use the normal ways of doing that. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller. I'd > prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does include > display. It's a macro that changes the locale. It doesn't say anything about doing redisplay at all, so anybody that wants to do redisplay (for whatever reason) will use the normal ways of doing that. I.e., there's no particular knowledge needed. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 14:35:07 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 18:35:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeKqp-0007Ga-Dr for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:35:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49754) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeKqm-0007Fi-Cm for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:35:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41888) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeKqg-0005VE-MC; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:34:59 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Fzb5Pg0F2iAP1Pa+lxUx8OLOYdf8toipPsFu6e+zMzA=; b=OsVAlpFNTgyz TM707Ubx252xKK10bHvE7phyXMqkTJRkVrBRNghGb9m7RpTed1zPmu8Mv05A1Yec4xObwzvBJBnc3 xPGvXT+iimIcZTpyNJcJOgoujBV+uNoxoL3BlNRmftgM/eqGLyu8n3CuXzrx4B5slh/bjenM1Pa3D rTi7XJG1mOsWjeSWkZl2APZZE9Ljzat0r7/gXNV4JOqQtAXuiriizHSIF6UdVLUR48mXB0QmKjBSy TDx0XErcJwnSULjt2ypRIBE2T9plh7kQt1eA7NEzu9ogRykiqsDzG4QazO0Y/uTB/wOkq811GDUue FpjkLIe0in9bXWrM0NjrsA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4318 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeKqe-0001II-RQ; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:34:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:34:43 +0300 Message-Id: <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:11 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: paaguti@gmail.com, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:11 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller. I'd > > prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does include > > display. > > It's a macro that changes the locale. It doesn't say anything about > doing redisplay at all, so anybody that wants to do redisplay (for > whatever reason) will use the normal ways of doing that. > > I.e., there's no particular knowledge needed. Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in enough detail to understand that it might affect the display. Suppressing redrawing of the frame by default is IMO the wrong default: the flicker in case redrawing wasn't needed is just an annoyance, whereas failure to redraw when it is needed is a much more serious problem. So if we want to make the caller responsible for whether the frame should be redrawn, the default should to redraw it, and callers that want to avoid that would need to take some measures to that end. Which is the opposite of what we have now. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 02:15:11 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 06:15:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43481 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVmI-0001s8-Es for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:15:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f43.google.com ([209.85.218.43]:33338) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVmG-0001ri-Dv for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:15:09 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f43.google.com with SMTP id lc7so12999528ejb.0 for <58193@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 23:15:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=g0VoBtjnJL4PrbMWknmwRwantOvrD0IUhK23MInDf3Y=; b=bepZfx0zh3c54NgSsKB86bdyWFj3vEqUFN1kd82rOL+dC1PtQKmiSINDNfxUb7OwYS 8qoDS0ay+TFsvfRa6C2/tsl/f9CMQRIoC/epE/DhjFXwL6iNMClWUq6LbMC8G916L8JI jN3l/jSzz/zDR/f5BDgTsJghD5FLUBnPtcNMoKRdpzWkLpKA6w6M5WIewF/xO1wq/LZv Vu/dAtTLFOvu/oCCD/CGnMKbnhtPFiBwrqWjGRVVputOO/QURD9x9WSYdwZNj7Jv4gmS btF9sg1tD9r9hT+ul4IOHw8slSQSsJQz6Y+DuwOhwiafocSnlmTNcomQn4ftGtSGCl/D oh/w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=g0VoBtjnJL4PrbMWknmwRwantOvrD0IUhK23MInDf3Y=; b=F+eb4LI7j5Z1UnK2Qguc+S5q97Hrw0qK0VpOxEcadqGkrrlnp0L/8ZEticcuejgMYh wzSbvrxOz+UE9hUlD9WG8gQlVZcB1i2w2k2GEgs1BX69XOgAfN8u322V9C/1wx/6JswQ vP/DauXIB4OocBqobQFZBOKrQuTULiO6CdQ9fa2fh8YmLffhqTbr4fz+lPTA4BTUX9NI 0cmOZqqjzgRr5VZVzzlKTkTnOFA7Hn9sAScbcxRk8hoJ9SgdItIkBaDt05fdHTUrr3Mb FOd1RlXo97y6JEyexVNiBjLuAcUxjG6Kgycs9oik2+kp56u5quCGIa7GBDqpQglau5eV CaTA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3DKlWtsDdry+PMT9/PbzdI9+DA4IHjJg3SBMX4rhkfwgoGE5he ZhPEF5az0zYWI5tFJ5gR40mC15fvsEI1VmC6xGI5Ba/Dltw= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4a1IxRZ1Ad9Czuv+7wEqnZ+paEpFWjBmNvqLB3vukErs5nUcz2HS8IaVQ+ktmLil/LxcTa8N6LLych1a+ixN8= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:d15:b0:781:e347:723 with SMTP id gn21-20020a1709070d1500b00781e3470723mr8599197ejc.723.1664604902299; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 23:15:02 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 08:14:36 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000e49bca05e9f30771" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000e49bca05e9f30771 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi Eli, Lars I fear in my case it's the other way round. IMHO, I think I have a minimal clue of what it does ;-) Let me expand a bit: My use case is that of a multi-lingual writer/programmer who needs the date to appear in the language used in the text which is currently being edited. My default locale is "C" because it fits my needs when programming, but then I also produce 'text documents' (.tex, .org, .md, .txt) in 3-4 languages. I'm lucky, because most of "my multi-linguality" can be handled by changing ispell-dictionary and with \date in LaTEX. But in a couple of cases, I need the date to appear 'burnt in fire' in the text. My questioning the way with-locale-environment works comes from my use case. I need the date to adhere to a 'temporary' locale which only needs to be valid when I generate a string that I then insert into the buffer. And to have the screen flickering because I have generated a string is not a 'nice' UI design principle IMvvHO. Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work towards something in the line of the cl-setlocale function in Common LISP. If you look at 'man setlocale' as an inspiration of what I would be dreaming of... My .001 c, /PA On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 20:34, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Cc: paaguti@gmail.com, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:11 +0200 > > > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > > > IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller. I'd > > > prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does include > > > display. > > > > It's a macro that changes the locale. It doesn't say anything about > > doing redisplay at all, so anybody that wants to do redisplay (for > > whatever reason) will use the normal ways of doing that. > > > > I.e., there's no particular knowledge needed. > > Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in enough > detail to understand that it might affect the display. Suppressing > redrawing of the frame by default is IMO the wrong default: the > flicker in case redrawing wasn't needed is just an annoyance, whereas > failure to redraw when it is needed is a much more serious problem. > > So if we want to make the caller responsible for whether the frame > should be redrawn, the default should to redraw it, and callers that > want to avoid that would need to take some measures to that end. > Which is the opposite of what we have now. > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000e49bca05e9f30771 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eli, Lars

I fear in my case it's= the other way round. IMHO, I think I have a minimal clue of what it does ;= -)
Let me expand a bit:

My use case is t= hat of a multi-lingual writer/programmer who needs the date to appear in th= e language used in the text which is currently being edited.=C2=A0
My default locale is "C" because it fits my needs when programm= ing, but then I also produce 'text documents' (.tex, .org, .md, .tx= t) in 3-4 languages.
I'm lucky, because most of "my mult= i-linguality" can be handled by changing ispell-dictionary and with \d= ate in LaTEX. But in a couple of
cases, I need the date to appear= 'burnt in fire' in the text.

My questioni= ng the way with-locale-environment works comes from my use case.=C2=A0
I need the date to adhere to a 'temporary' locale which only = needs to be valid when I generate a string that I then insert into the buff= er.=C2=A0
And to have the screen flickering because I have genera= ted a string is not a 'nice' UI design principle IMvvHO.
=
Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy= and work towards something in the line of the cl-setlocale function in Com= mon LISP.
If you look at 'man setlocale' as an inspiratio= n of what I would be dreaming of...

My .001 c, /PA=

On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 20:34, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
> Cc: paaguti@gma= il.com,=C2=A0 58193@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 19:43:11 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <el= iz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > IMO, that assumes to much knowledge on the part of the caller.=C2= =A0 I'd
> > prefer a variable that would tell the macro that the body does in= clude
> > display.
>
> It's a macro that changes the locale.=C2=A0 It doesn't say any= thing about
> doing redisplay at all, so anybody that wants to do redisplay (for
> whatever reason) will use the normal ways of doing that.
>
> I.e., there's no particular knowledge needed.

Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in enough
detail to understand that it might affect the display.=C2=A0 Suppressing redrawing of the frame by default is IMO the wrong default: the
flicker in case redrawing wasn't needed is just an annoyance, whereas failure to redraw when it is needed is a much more serious problem.

So if we want to make the caller responsible for whether the frame
should be redrawn, the default should to redraw it, and callers that
want to avoid that would need to take some measures to that end.
Which is the opposite of what we have now.


--
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headach= es with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

--000000000000e49bca05e9f30771-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 03:10:26 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 07:10:26 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43537 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeWdm-0005Qv-Cv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:10:26 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56686) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeWdk-0005QX-6z for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:10:24 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53318) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeWdd-0002N6-OQ; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:10:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=MDeUQk0Ypd1rteshrqmrE8WU2li2t1sxQpzrl6kb0xs=; b=fjFhsCU+8i69 n842prE3QqPiRnTkemikrU1pbQAvT1VW4HrzJ7fiya2IgDJAy3udjxgxkUesmT8RyqsZUf9502OGs VFhJqpCJFQdr0B6N35o5enYF/W4aQrJsX8UXavQkqo4HddBCYVJiIjgeBaDozuX1tzvt5xW02hDYz M5oNzYZCm71MsUEmNAif71uqf0YncrUmqkgkeuxGDsaWkFbRWdXYkdIExlolE6IzTtxaCK8p2o35R fwuHh8M/cMXnqHL7Ie9qDPWWVGVJBNMBHBh1PGm4YHR+sO8MHITfVH4+Ml+T37845AeyXhbZ6+WH0 xYmfKirMWRMI7xeB4KBxow==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2574 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeWdd-00074S-7T; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:10:17 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 10:10:03 +0300 Message-Id: <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez In-Reply-To: (message from Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez on Sat, 1 Oct 2022 08:14:36 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 08:14:36 +0200 > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > I fear in my case it's the other way round. IMHO, I think I have a minimal clue of what it does ;-) > Let me expand a bit: > > My use case is that of a multi-lingual writer/programmer who needs the date to appear in the language used > in the text which is currently being edited. > My default locale is "C" because it fits my needs when programming, but then I also produce 'text > documents' (.tex, .org, .md, .txt) in 3-4 languages. > I'm lucky, because most of "my multi-linguality" can be handled by changing ispell-dictionary and with \date in > LaTEX. But in a couple of > cases, I need the date to appear 'burnt in fire' in the text. > > My questioning the way with-locale-environment works comes from my use case. > I need the date to adhere to a 'temporary' locale which only needs to be valid when I generate a string that I > then insert into the buffer. > And to have the screen flickering because I have generated a string is not a 'nice' UI design principle > IMvvHO. I understand your use case. I'm arguing about the default, not about the need to support your use case. The default should be to redraw the frame, and your use case should be supported by having some variable that you could bind around the call of the macro, to prevent redrawing. > Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work towards something in the line of the > cl-setlocale function in Common LISP. Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display editor. In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should be immediately reflected on display. > If you look at 'man setlocale' as an inspiration of what I would be dreaming of... setlocale is a low-level function that is called by Emacs as part of this macro. 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I'm arguing about the default, not about > the need to support your use case. The default should be to redraw > the frame, and your use case should be supported by having some > variable that you could bind around the call of the macro, to prevent > redrawing. > Good, I could live with that > > Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work > towards something in the line of the > > cl-setlocale function in Common LISP. > > Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display > editor. In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should > be immediately reflected on display. > So, one implication of my question is whether all operations that need a specific locale to be set need the display redrawn... > If you look at 'man setlocale' as an inspiration of what I would be > dreaming of... > > setlocale is a low-level function that is called by Emacs as part of > this macro. I know, and I was wondering if we could create an Elisp construct that *only* uses setlocate if we are sure that we do not need to redraw the screen I think we are approaching 'violent agreement' :-) Thx, /PA -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --00000000000035096805e9f3fd22 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:10, Eli Zaretski= i <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
=
> From: Pedro Andres A= randa Gutierrez <= paaguti@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 08:14:36 +0200
> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org

I understand your use case.=C2=A0 I'm arguing about the default, not ab= out
the need to support your use case.=C2=A0 The default should be to redraw the frame, and your use case should be supported by having some
variable that you could bind around the call of the macro, to prevent
redrawing.

Good, I could live with that=
=C2=A0
&g= t; Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work to= wards something in the line of the
> cl-setlocale function in Common LISP.

Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display
editor.=C2=A0 In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should be immediately reflected on display.

So= , one implication of my question is whether all operations that need a spec= ific locale to be set need the display redrawn...=C2=A0

> If you look at '= ;man setlocale' as an inspiration of what I would be dreaming of...

setlocale is a low-level function that is called by Emacs as part of
this macro.
=C2=A0
I know, and I was wondering i= f we could create an Elisp construct that *only* uses setlocate if we are s= ure that we do not need to redraw the screen

I thi= nk we are approaching 'violent agreement' :-)

<= div>Thx, /PA
=C2=A0

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That seems to work. And I don't see any flicker on a t= ext mode screen (inside a VM)...=C2=A0
checking on a graphic screen I d= o see the flickering :( but it works.

Yesterday wa= s a long day ...
Best, /PA

On Fri, 30 Sept 2022 at 18:31, La= rs Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>= ; wrote:
Pedro A= ndres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com> writes:

> It doesn't flicker... but it doesn't seem to change the locale= either...
> I tried
>
> (message=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 (with-locale-environment "es_ES.utf8"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z&quo= t;)))
>
> and
>
> (message=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 (with-locale-environment "C"=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z&quo= t;)))
>
> And in both cases I get the "C" locale :(
> Before the strings were correctly generated

Does

(message=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0
=C2=A0(with-locale-environment "es_ES.UTF-8"
=C2=A0 =C2=A0(format-time-string ";; %a, %d %b %Y %H:%m:%S %z")))=

work better?=C2=A0 If not, do you have the "es_ES.UTF-8" locale i= n your
environment?

In any case, with this recipe (i.e., the `message' around the
`with-locale--' I can reproduce the flashing, even after the fix.=C2=A0= :-/
But I get

;; vie, 30 sep 2022 18:09:18 +0200


--
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unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

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In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should > be immediately reflected on display. > > So, one implication of my question is whether all operations that need a specific locale to be set need the > display redrawn... If all you want is to have time displayed per a certain locale's conventions, maybe it's enough to set system-time-locale? Did you try that? set-locale-environment (which is what with-locale-environment uses) does much more than just adjusts the locale's time format. 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[95.127.196.160]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 12-20020a05600c230c00b003b492753826sm4528227wmo.43.2022.10.01.01.19.21 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 01 Oct 2022 01:19:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 10:19:19 +0200 Message-Id: References: <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> To: Eli Zaretskii X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (19G82) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli This is just an example. But there are other=E2=80=A6 currency being one of t= hem. Best /PA Enviado desde mi iPhone > El 1 oct 2022, a las 9:33, Eli Zaretskii escribi=C3=B3: >=20 > =EF=BB=BF >>=20 >> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez >> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:23:12 +0200 >> Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org >>=20 >>> Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work to= wards something in the >> line of the >>> cl-setlocale function in Common LISP. >>=20 >> Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display >> editor. In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should >> be immediately reflected on display. >>=20 >> So, one implication of my question is whether all operations that need a s= pecific locale to be set need the >> display redrawn...=20 >=20 > If all you want is to have time displayed per a certain locale's > conventions, maybe it's enough to set system-time-locale? Did you try > that? set-locale-environment (which is what with-locale-environment > uses) does much more than just adjusts the locale's time format. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 05:11:00 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 09:11:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43635 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeYWS-0008Oi-12 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:11:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54838) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeYWO-0008OS-Tj for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:10:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49678) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeYWJ-0001YL-L4; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:10:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-version:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: Date; bh=ihClpts3n5nahG23PW8dRUqaFsaxkxcqdQd1Ozm6vOg=; b=QT+i6qzjCH+bRy4bpFdF HDFZEHtOXT/y4v6QrnPQAEzZZLpEUuuH3wXsl33HGNsuBpVofBncS8Wjy/ZsSmO0aSVIl8bOW6qB5 jr6tnXbyvQfsF43lbQBb78KVxZos+ai1mtgiME/Ulp1dcInVBHfIg65mHh20hz2/pma/4a2q7M9yv 9Ef21LQtwQwIiYg6WpmRJHdR+dfvFibX4vliQ1vCRPdM0+Kbkle+eyowjlkbOO6OXK/2Rny5QJuNp g13+9ZJYQAGwbj/zaR/ZVinAcn2/pfW/Ox8XWsahUZPRUzbRsvsuyxJrI4BTlH/y2XuWlIgWJhYHd Ra1CEn4+zVwFoQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2938 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeYWJ-0007ce-1a; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:10:51 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 12:10:39 +0300 Message-Id: <83tu4nc3jk.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez In-Reply-To: (message from Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez on Sat, 1 Oct 2022 10:19:19 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 10:19:19 +0200 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > Eli > This is just an example. But there are other… currency being one of them. For each example its solution. For currency, I don't think Emacs currently have any solution, and with-locale-environment would not help you for that reason. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 05:56:16 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 09:56:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43673 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZEG-00015Y-DP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:56:16 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37378) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZEC-00015H-5w for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:56:14 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=LaCmqbusOYG3i+p3l6vFXECANk7QC96bAbyp3JTIRYI=; b=RebgcfAEnDV9etSG7S+Hww2rbd oFwWj73eyZTAfNZ+eFM21fbowcEqLSaBEcEI9qfmiG4XyVTCOeo1fZRlHZNeDPkr03wOlCw9owxj9 DxOiC9U8GdTs+utHcut71f/lZNJgiHk5zZ43Upd2X58yZAofn5iBKEY1UcagvF3sHEfo=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZE0-0002sL-SF; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:56:03 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:34:43 +0300") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJ1BMVEU0MDJMTDlBPDZl Zjy4wTmJkmkRDw82OkM5R0tYXk87Qzk/PUH////k1sMtAAAAAWJLR0QMgbNRYwAAAAd0SU1FB+YK AQk2K9S0fkEAAAGoSURBVDjL1VM9T+NAEJ01ApOk8XglBFSOC+pbrfMLsvkFTgpEQ5XaVHbpLqYL OkWyL82F5g5XNBTo/tzNLo6zIUYUVDxppd335mtHMwDfAOhD2MU7dIb+ARs4YQCOFPhOcnAYABxF E2ELThgOEdEDJ1JjzxLCMCQe6cai+Md+JEpgINCDDrDY97t44LLbATyn2+FTnHy5u1vMtxe3pdzC CIc53PQDYUEnK+dNrP5dvTHmWVEVhHx++yb0qrc+kEBIKFQjMLxoWutmiV0V8863OU5zIzSN7OPv tiojwNnh30wo50rbLBJ3AYN/PcOnSWvyZ5GeFsn6uVo+a/veslXSFLJseby+qQYlwGppB3azcvYy W62q/PV6P2V6X67vq9eBHcmgyPtQQ35Y5N+iqLEo++9Y/ccaNz8fzCzu8KsGqB9xQ4O+74GXR0LQ TNOwBRYLsBlFKqaRFvYUMro+TdV0glKSYC8aQz6bKiVHAjnutonRU4yUUmMkH0q/TcOE5EKSoATX AvebPdF7JC6m2oXLWbyriyFDgZF2kZMxtxZTuyDXSiz9oE3+HxWyWpOoQ7eCAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRl OmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTEwLTAxVDA5OjU0OjQzKzAwOjAwo0gXEgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkA MjAyMi0xMC0wMVQwOTo1NDo0MyswMDowMNIVr64AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Swirlies's _Still in a Dream (4)_: "Park The Car By The Side Of The Road" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:56:00 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8p3j2a7.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in enough > detail to understand that it might affect the display. I added this macro about a month ago, and I did not have redisplay in mind -- redisplay is as irrelevant to this macro as it is to macros like `when-let'. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in enough > detail to understand that it might affect the display. I added this macro about a month ago, and I did not have redisplay in mind -- redisplay is as irrelevant to this macro as it is to macros like `when-let'. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 05:57:14 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 09:57:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43677 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZFB-000177-Pu for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:57:13 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37396) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZFA-00016u-9K for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:57:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KraSSkLX7pvdCzld6GRqFy0DPtLcpCzVBonm5hs7qZI=; b=fwTQJ+47rJg/mH/NS+Tyqg8Qz2 HOGGyXm7WN5bRvf4vUYAlIrKruE2/mVhQx3PeJyEawulQEx6vo2i9C2jca5L5F9XyjL5uLYEtu4eK MyYZ4kNmnjuQRm7n9Z95AXABw/mQJlL0W+p/Hf55gzLvI09S1mhHM6usDU7cuzgVp5+s=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZF1-0002st-NN; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:57:05 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: <87v8p3j2a7.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:56:00 +0200") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8p3j2a7.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJ1BMVEU0MDJMTDlBPDZl Zjy4wTmJkmkRDw82OkM5R0tYXk87Qzk/PUH////k1sMtAAAAAWJLR0QMgbNRYwAAAAd0SU1FB+YK AQk2K9S0fkEAAAGoSURBVDjL1VM9T+NAEJ01ApOk8XglBFSOC+pbrfMLsvkFTgpEQ5XaVHbpLqYL OkWyL82F5g5XNBTo/tzNLo6zIUYUVDxppd335mtHMwDfAOhD2MU7dIb+ARs4YQCOFPhOcnAYABxF E2ELThgOEdEDJ1JjzxLCMCQe6cai+Md+JEpgINCDDrDY97t44LLbATyn2+FTnHy5u1vMtxe3pdzC CIc53PQDYUEnK+dNrP5dvTHmWVEVhHx++yb0qrc+kEBIKFQjMLxoWutmiV0V8863OU5zIzSN7OPv tiojwNnh30wo50rbLBJ3AYN/PcOnSWvyZ5GeFsn6uVo+a/veslXSFLJseby+qQYlwGppB3azcvYy W62q/PV6P2V6X67vq9eBHcmgyPtQQ35Y5N+iqLEo++9Y/ccaNz8fzCzu8KsGqB9xQ4O+74GXR0LQ TNOwBRYLsBlFKqaRFvYUMro+TdV0glKSYC8aQz6bKiVHAjnutonRU4yUUmMkH0q/TcOE5EKSoATX AvebPdF7JC6m2oXLWbyriyFDgZF2kZMxtxZTuyDXSiz9oE3+HxWyWpOoQ7eCAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRl OmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTEwLTAxVDA5OjU0OjQzKzAwOjAwo0gXEgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkA MjAyMi0xMC0wMVQwOTo1NDo0MyswMDowMNIVr64AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Swirlies's _Still in a Dream (4)_: "Park The Car By The Side Of The Road" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:57:03 +0200 Message-ID: <87o7uvj28g.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 05:57:53 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 09:57:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZFp-000180-3v for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:57:53 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:37414) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZFm-00017m-Dm for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 05:57:51 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=fggq2vx/TdOv72+7GVNszddKkWA1GxKXrFCcmmFJv9w=; b=pWp75LZZEyvngp9cIS+GF8Cs2V pDcPtrmcGpaC+mz8obUVhn7lwa7/Uc0TrPeO7jzP4J65b5ByAGv8MnzKl5Xy+2BjGms7QetgYq53z izeOO/ZKf5p5Qk7pESpkQ9MG7NLRS2uVdTwx+Unz15Y4Rr39xqBW3eDmxQ1PLtY+Mvek=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeZFd-0002tH-QR; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:57:43 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: (Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez's message of "Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:26:28 +0200") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <87r0zs4ydz.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAJ1BMVEU0MDJMTDlBPDZl Zjy4wTmJkmkRDw82OkM5R0tYXk87Qzk/PUH////k1sMtAAAAAWJLR0QMgbNRYwAAAAd0SU1FB+YK AQk2K9S0fkEAAAGoSURBVDjL1VM9T+NAEJ01ApOk8XglBFSOC+pbrfMLsvkFTgpEQ5XaVHbpLqYL OkWyL82F5g5XNBTo/tzNLo6zIUYUVDxppd335mtHMwDfAOhD2MU7dIb+ARs4YQCOFPhOcnAYABxF E2ELThgOEdEDJ1JjzxLCMCQe6cai+Md+JEpgINCDDrDY97t44LLbATyn2+FTnHy5u1vMtxe3pdzC CIc53PQDYUEnK+dNrP5dvTHmWVEVhHx++yb0qrc+kEBIKFQjMLxoWutmiV0V8863OU5zIzSN7OPv tiojwNnh30wo50rbLBJ3AYN/PcOnSWvyZ5GeFsn6uVo+a/veslXSFLJseby+qQYlwGppB3azcvYy W62q/PV6P2V6X67vq9eBHcmgyPtQQ35Y5N+iqLEo++9Y/ccaNz8fzCzu8KsGqB9xQ4O+74GXR0LQ TNOwBRYLsBlFKqaRFvYUMro+TdV0glKSYC8aQz6bKiVHAjnutonRU4yUUmMkH0q/TcOE5EKSoATX AvebPdF7JC6m2oXLWbyriyFDgZF2kZMxtxZTuyDXSiz9oE3+HxWyWpOoQ7eCAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRl OmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTEwLTAxVDA5OjU0OjQzKzAwOjAwo0gXEgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkA MjAyMi0xMC0wMVQwOTo1NDo0MyswMDowMNIVr64AAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Swirlies's _Still in a Dream (4)_: "Park The Car By The Side Of The Road" Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:57:41 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtafj27e.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > That seems to work. And I don't see any flicker on a text mode screen > (inside a VM)... checking on a graphic screen I do see the flickering > :( but it works. 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Fair enough, but if this macro is not intended for BODYs that include visual appearance, the restriction should be mentioned in the doc string, I think. 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@ Eli, +1
@ Lars I'll test and let you know
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/PA

On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 12:02, Eli Zaretskii &l= t;eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen = <larsi@gnus.org&= gt;
> Cc: paaguti@gma= il.com,=C2=A0 58193@debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 11:56:00 +0200
>
> Eli Zaretskii <el= iz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > Many Lisp programmers don't realize what the macro does, in e= nough
> > detail to understand that it might affect the display.
>
> I added this macro about a month ago, and I did not have redisplay in<= br> > mind -- redisplay is as irrelevant to this macro as it is to macros li= ke
> `when-let'.

Fair enough, but if this macro is not intended for BODYs that include
visual appearance, the restriction should be mentioned in the doc
string, I think.


--
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headach= es with a Juju log:
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--000000000000a6ba8805e9f6592e-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 06:47:30 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 10:47:30 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43755 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oea1q-0004mo-Al for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 06:47:30 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f48.google.com ([209.85.218.48]:39496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oea1o-0004mb-7l for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 06:47:29 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f48.google.com with SMTP id b2so13699697eja.6 for <58193@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:47:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=LnThCo4gVxUq7upb5h7HqKMXNnxFg0IkL//QA/I1HkM=; b=YMaFa3Ltziwk3RemR47A8ANpFxW2ZJLKfZdPfRCrY2IKmXzKJ3DuPTtb0mMBi2dGnc SpzXFxn4SUPSW2DOG3X//KIOl1TmkMuBY2JuMhA2GZeCv+tW9aEB3YeNJ5ClJNeeu7ff qFjDyLUSbWf9KK0+C0w74S0iNuXTh5d57/vqMVpE57so9kaIB8H2thzDMzcLPJXVK+08 oa5jBqmfDUdPuYbg81AYxkGCAszaNaY/78oiZAgMHnTAOViz6FEWg/AEh6CAfRz8uFED C6W9K/VM2yoKVcI24Cu1ArJTjA+V4UeWQsfjUsUg4fSWEpYBI2cJsvyVAapCgcQ1rgSY OXPw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=LnThCo4gVxUq7upb5h7HqKMXNnxFg0IkL//QA/I1HkM=; b=IzZuLwgQ1Yb6/KbkVIX8Um0cZrtU1DU92GruJA/2JuKe7RsQQWwYUE/v4E1GyMnoaS hTHBHzWCn+xFCEiGSksVXNsBbOhPXFXkY11Ljt+GL9lI8MzjHbzwvYMVlSqrpqt8YaWE NDoEv2UFpKXmyKG8eVNckl8VUtB6zj3z+Vf96sdc/45f69yyiii3R0Yrkdr5NqZkUnFl EagMS28sIoXd141TF6/UTE5u8dGPfZrGulK/jZ6yN6YVECHdHixORAfT+D24QsEK5cx3 GHEYIXI3FcjykoU1MaOzBfvkd81vFgez4J1+BPsmhHkHxGvRT6yL676EwxewBY/mlKlF s9Rw== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0clkpivv7KY9x+Gdiw753H1wsn1IbYZjPv6imEe6wo3is6xp6T 3O5Iu4xB7F92pEJC5QZw4MntXyETCqLL2ReAw+k= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7JbVVrdT+QSGEIBiY/8qLT45uqRyWR7IRPRRfEqqvpcUHs29WlyX4sNljTxJyTh/XCU1cVimg2QuuexHDa3Jo= X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:94d2:b0:783:e5dd:9c79 with SMTP id dn18-20020a17090794d200b00783e5dd9c79mr9633389ejc.18.1664621242272; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 03:47:22 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 12:46:56 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d4d2e905e9f6d546" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000d4d2e905e9f6d546 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Thanks for the idea...I came up with a macro that mimics with-locale-environment (because it is heavily based on it): (defmacro with-time-locale (locale-name &rest body) (declare (indent 1) (debug (sexp def-body))) (let ((current (gensym))) `(let ((,current system-time-locale)) (unwind-protect (progn (setq system-time-locale ,locale-name) ,@body) (setq system-time-locale ,current))))) With a quick test that seems to produce what I want: (with-time-locale "C" (message (format "%s -> %s" system-time-locale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y")))) (with-time-locale "it_IT.UTF8" (message (format "%s -> %s" system-time-locale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y")))) (message (format "%s -> %s" system-time-locale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y"))) And no flickers... Would that be something to contribute to Emacs ? Best, /PA On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 09:33, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > > Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:23:12 +0200 > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legacy and work > towards something in the > > line of the > > > cl-setlocale function in Common LISP. > > > > Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display > > editor. In Emacs, certain operations that affect the display should > > be immediately reflected on display. > > > > So, one implication of my question is whether all operations that need a > specific locale to be set need the > > display redrawn... > > If all you want is to have time displayed per a certain locale's > conventions, maybe it's enough to set system-time-locale? Did you try > that? set-locale-environment (which is what with-locale-environment > uses) does much more than just adjusts the locale's time format. > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000d4d2e905e9f6d546 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks for the idea...I came up with a ma= cro that mimics with-locale-environment (because it is heavily based on it)= :

(defmacro with-time-locale (locale-name &rest= body)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (declare (indent 1) (debug (sexp def-body)))=
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 (let ((current (gensym)))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 `(let ((,current system-time-locale))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0(unwind-protect
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(= progn
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq syste= m-time-locale ,locale-name)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0,@body)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(setq syst= em-time-locale ,current)))))

With a quick test tha= t seems to produce what I want:

(with-time-locale = "C"
=C2=A0 (message (format "%s -> %s" sys= tem-time-locale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y"))))
(wit= h-time-locale "it_IT.UTF8"
=C2=A0 (message (format &quo= t;%s -> %s" system-time-locale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y&q= uot;))))
(message (format "%s -> %s" system-time-loc= ale (format-time-string "%d %b %Y")))

<= div>And no flickers...

Would that be something to = contribute to Emacs ?

Best, /PA
<= br>
On Sat,= 1 Oct 2022 at 09:33, Eli Zaretskii <eli= z@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 09:23:12 +0200
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org= , 58193@debb= ugs.gnu.org
>
>=C2=A0 > Maybe we should leave this macro as-is because of the legac= y and work towards something in the
>=C2=A0 line of the
>=C2=A0 > cl-setlocale function in Common LISP.
>
>=C2=A0 Common Lisp is just a programming language, it is not a display<= br> >=C2=A0 editor.=C2=A0 In Emacs, certain operations that affect the displ= ay should
>=C2=A0 be immediately reflected on display.
>
> So, one implication of my question is whether all operations that need= a specific locale to be set need the
> display redrawn...

If all you want is to have time displayed per a certain locale's
conventions, maybe it's enough to set system-time-locale?=C2=A0 Did you= try
that?=C2=A0 set-locale-environment (which is what with-locale-environment uses) does much more than just adjusts the locale's time format.


--
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Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

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unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

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And, at least in my initial test it doesn't=C2=A0
=
Thanks,
/PA

On Sat, 1 Oct 2022 at 14:05, = Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org&= gt; wrote:
Pedro= Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com> writes:

> And no flickers...
>
> Would that be something to contribute to Emacs ?

There should be no flickers with with-locale-environment, either, so it
seems redundant.


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--0000000000000c91a105e9f92833-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 02 08:01:41 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2022 12:01:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46369 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oexfB-0001qc-EQ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 08:01:41 -0400 Received: from [95.216.78.240] (port=48978 helo=quimby.gnus.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oexdg-0001kL-1F for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 08:01:40 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=HPiWMlqXGU5NziyLN8q8ayDpZwtxt+XzE3mOx2tLS/A=; b=Rxfqht5FympJtCQnLVwd0PTGu8 6jX9ZHX5URVYbDY6c8xu55dIFXEx/MlksAuCjC0/Q0kmI44HO+kagknHtUknyl9DwytV+iz1oeyV6 QwE6mOlLGDuNXVeLAiTFoNn+fE7nw58KiCX3zM245fu52jw3LBcHzsJ0VBnBmaMaVuvg=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oexbb-0006qx-3T; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:58:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Eli Zaretskii Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: <83pmfbc16b.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:01:48 +0300") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8p3j2a7.fsf@gnus.org> <83pmfbc16b.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUFBAUnHRkyKylR RDpGNzGVg25hVEv///945FKsAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+YKAgs4OjG2CL0AAAGqSURB VDjLjVRNk4IwDG1x9WwqeoZSOCMwnBU7nld39OzCbv//T9ikfFk7O2NmUNqXvCQvLYxxsMYA1swx 2a/B2SzwSXQDoHTzvB980a84d3UXuzTZgzEMQFBVDrB8TK/cAba5v2dtETHWyFN1OpXaA/P+b7V+ BQqhVdlVNbzso6Pt3Av438JT3SaFjjzgCLD7jmNlF0rOlI3UaSdhRzuZaUmjAeQglZSS3m4d7Qmv p23be2a2t0CKCMulCDM4rK59cr5phSR123Ecd2I8YFV9rfw6AjfiAkyMD06Q78dkvw8n9yx/+kli YWY+6TYAF6LSZYVsOPRgAnaXmecDlxOwIirIjKmrCk9SOgNu8vQwVeVOZ3Ucy7tZdZUxplVIFRSj x53QvF8sMPo8cC1tUWWhuqpJaqpyEGuX9+OAGECQXNxQCOehP/89gzicFZiFCqPsZ7wQygoCyegQ j/5SWiBmb5uI7RH1InhhuaR3ZIJo6NyjSqpSN9oeuMkiv8We/hhaBXygIElrs6evQPGMCHVg/MBt q84d3JiccfwsSKm0ccnQjYs1p3v4riB/wnw3K2tbAgAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjIt MTAtMDJUMTE6NTY6NTgrMDA6MDCH1BWiAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIyLTEwLTAyVDEx OjU2OjU4KzAwOjAw9omtHgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Colourbox's _Colourbox (PolyGram)_: "Looks Like We're Shy One Horse" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:57:58 +0200 Message-ID: <87pmfae8u1.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Fair enough, but if this macro is not intended for BODYs that include > visual appearance, the restriction should be mentioned in the doc > string, I think. It's a macro that sets the locale, evaluates the body, and restores the previous locale. I can't for the life of me understand why somebody would think that it has something to do with the visual appe [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: 58193@debbugs.gnu.org, paaguti@gmail.com X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Fair enough, but if this macro is not intended for BODYs that include > visual appearance, the restriction should be mentioned in the doc > string, I think. It's a macro that sets the locale, evaluates the body, and restores the previous locale. I can't for the life of me understand why somebody would think that it has something to do with the visual appearance of anything, one way or another. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 02 08:02:43 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Oct 2022 12:02:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46374 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oexgA-0001sM-Rl for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 08:02:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:49006) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oexg9-0001lg-7C for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 08:02:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=JA4Io7ZaBgKnUX5q2YesV2maBnqZX3piyAUut6IgFWk=; b=fME4No2be3K51P8uhUaGJ3kdHL uXPgtESfwI9JEUOQpljBWdIXmQpW8BCTKrQVRDXNDCKIB1aaaDGWEmbTRL2xaNNyMJmL72jJlYjwn W71jNZVQPcdMRK/c1gj0m/gWHm5dqhyIo14lDMWaBEzDrVacxTQgtJLEI5easRuEgYCE=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oexcI-0006rD-N2; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:58:44 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: (Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez's message of "Sat, 1 Oct 2022 15:33:05 +0200") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1tzhhq1.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAGFBMVEUFBAUnHRkyKylR RDpGNzGVg25hVEv///945FKsAAAAAWJLR0QHFmGI6wAAAAd0SU1FB+YKAgs4OjG2CL0AAAGqSURB VDjLjVRNk4IwDG1x9WwqeoZSOCMwnBU7nld39OzCbv//T9ikfFk7O2NmUNqXvCQvLYxxsMYA1swx 2a/B2SzwSXQDoHTzvB980a84d3UXuzTZgzEMQFBVDrB8TK/cAba5v2dtETHWyFN1OpXaA/P+b7V+ BQqhVdlVNbzso6Pt3Av438JT3SaFjjzgCLD7jmNlF0rOlI3UaSdhRzuZaUmjAeQglZSS3m4d7Qmv p23be2a2t0CKCMulCDM4rK59cr5phSR123Ecd2I8YFV9rfw6AjfiAkyMD06Q78dkvw8n9yx/+kli YWY+6TYAF6LSZYVsOPRgAnaXmecDlxOwIirIjKmrCk9SOgNu8vQwVeVOZ3Ucy7tZdZUxplVIFRSj x53QvF8sMPo8cC1tUWWhuqpJaqpyEGuX9+OAGECQXNxQCOehP/89gzicFZiFCqPsZ7wQygoCyegQ j/5SWiBmb5uI7RH1InhhuaR3ZIJo6NyjSqpSN9oeuMkiv8We/hhaBXygIElrs6evQPGMCHVg/MBt q84d3JiccfwsSKm0ccnQjYs1p3v4riB/wnw3K2tbAgAAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjIt MTAtMDJUMTE6NTY6NTgrMDA6MDCH1BWiAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIyLTEwLTAyVDEx OjU2OjU4KzAwOjAw9omtHgAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Colourbox's _Colourbox (PolyGram)_: "Looks Like We're Shy One Horse" Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 13:58:42 +0200 Message-ID: <87lepye8st.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > And, at least in my initial test it doesn't [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > And, at least in my initial test it doesn't [...] > There should be no flickers with with-locale-environment, either, so it > seems redundant. Does this mean that `with-locale-environment' doesn't flicker the screen for you any more? I'm not sure how to parse that response... 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On that side good. On the other hand, I still think that a macro only controlling the system-locale for the time functions may be useful despite, I admit, being somehow redundant. My feeling is that many of the settings changed in with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for format-time-string. Digression: What about adding a third (optional) parameter to format-time-string to set the locale for a specific call? This could be an alternative which might be more-lightweight than with-locale-environment, wouldn't it? Best, /PA On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 14:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > > > And, at least in my initial test it doesn't > > [...] > > > There should be no flickers with with-locale-environment, either, so it > > seems redundant. > > Does this mean that `with-locale-environment' doesn't flicker the screen > for you any more? I'm not sure how to parse that response... > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --0000000000007ac0d205ea1ac0d4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Sorry for the "telegram" ;-)=C2=A0

= I have been working all day yesterday using my functions using 'with-lo= cale-environment' and I didn't experience any flicker.=C2=A0
<= /div>
On that side good. On the other hand, I still think that a macro = only controlling the system-locale for the time functions may be useful des= pite, I admit, being somehow redundant. My feeling is that many of the sett= ings changed in with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for fo= rmat-time-string.=C2=A0

Digression: What about add= ing a third (optional) parameter to format-time-string to set the locale fo= r a specific call? This could be an alternative which might be more-lightwe= ight than with-locale-environment, wouldn't it?

Best, /PA

On Sun, 2 Oct 2022 at 14:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:
Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <= paaguti@gmail.com> writes:

> And, at least in my initial test it doesn't

[...]

>=C2=A0 There should be no flickers with with-locale-environment, either= , so it
>=C2=A0 seems redundant.

Does this mean that `with-locale-environment' doesn't flicker the s= creen
for you any more?=C2=A0 I'm not sure how to parse that response...


--
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Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
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--0000000000007ac0d205ea1ac0d4-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 03 05:03:43 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2022 09:03:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48936 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofHMU-0004H5-Tz for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 05:03:43 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofHMT-0004Gn-H6 for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 05:03:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=n/vdUdaeNP74ljiEAJ+RhmSqIY+5zqf8GLPf6N8/4ug=; b=CSo4YSaArtTJnBnq9ehZcKlZ+P sa6fj0H71ek4qMUCIuPWsxFgm+4sZcpWapdvyEUg6ijh87r/HGwDsckrPOCV5tGW8GBN8v2piDKJR rYI+UJmUfcOuIGMmOlm6bE1lrh12TcdBJzdowtPT4n8ARAbVPXemfyo3YlqLf+gVrV8Q=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ofHMK-0007kf-Vw; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 11:03:35 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment In-Reply-To: (Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez's message of "Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:37:56 +0200") References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1tzhhq1.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepye8st.fsf@gnus.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAFVBMVEUyJSqZZV+wgnnL pp/x29L9+/n///+noQVCAAAAAWJLR0QGYWa4fQAAAAd0SU1FB+YKAwkAMH3E7lMAAAGiSURBVDjL lZRbdoQgDIYJMwswOH0XnL5XoAtoxRUU9r+VJtxG7cxD4zkc5DPwJyQK8W8DRIThCUBjjNKY7cDN 7MiMRkPPHtBqCIGQM4o8AAYonoFtC6tz+uAgPK+nQOSkgEFKMTidX+X8IaRbaKbuWyKw2uIAoITE iaejZ5dV17AmOWiVgRgdoeogQKMEXb9CAssjEQqmqu9Gqj6aGDUabOCdTm8AII/l5XMH8mZtxnq/ NHQy1YlMDOpnktS1FFwZ/BR96CY6oJIbg8iBoLI5AnycTcmyg2pBFnBJxaKdrSkOeQRfQbJ0Z7wh lJuctwboGku+C+jrlGHlVxzAmOEMNFK9zEWZSGlPlJ1dLZY9SMFzURTVWzqi1dbw/oIaZngJthfA n4DrZdFSEotiZ9p1yOoSs2+ryJ52Am7jI9zUwXuLm4q1lypf/VtPiCcH3Y9YPxtYxtXZ3m+X4HsI aHbdI8O9rG8xLMr0nQS4cStqQ/pG3LUb5kDigrcYTm04hshtcKXxCIjYPAZ7AiKX2oWjEE+MysPR XpBr+ECoy0z5qyjEXx1Skfhmv1qVAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTEwLTAzVDA5OjAw OjQ3KzAwOjAwqBsaWgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0xMC0wM1QwOTowMDo0NyswMDow MNlGouYAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Eurythmics's _1984 (For The Love Of Big Brother)_: "For The Love Of Big Brother" Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 11:03:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87h70l8ejf.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > I have been working all day yesterday using my functions using > 'with-locale-environment' and I didn't experience any flicker. OK; closing this bug report. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez writes: > I have been working all day yesterday using my functions using > 'with-locale-environment' and I didn't experience any flicker. OK; closing this bug report. > On that side good. On the other hand, I still think that a macro only controlling the > system-locale for the time functions may be useful despite, I admit, being somehow > redundant. My feeling is that many of the settings changed in > with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for format-time-string. I don't think there's much need for finer granularity here. > Digression: What about adding a third (optional) parameter to > format-time-string to set the locale for a specific call? This could > be an alternative which might be more-lightweight than > with-locale-environment, wouldn't it? It would still have to change the locale, so it wouldn't be more lightweight. 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On the other hand, I still think that a macro only controlling the system-locale for the time > functions may be useful despite, I admit, being somehow redundant. My feeling is that many of the settings > changed in with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for format-time-string. What's wrong with (let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE)) DO-SOMETHING) > Digression: What about adding a third (optional) parameter to format-time-string to set the locale for a > specific call? How is that different from (let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE)) (format-time-string ....)) 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The thing is that you may want to change it just for one call of format-time-string (or at least I wanted it) without having to change it permanently. BTW am I missing something .. would your let just change the value of system-time-locale in the body of the let and then restore it to its original value? /PA Best, /PA On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 18:38, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:37:56 +0200 > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > On that side good. On the other hand, I still think that a macro only > controlling the system-locale for the time > > functions may be useful despite, I admit, being somehow redundant. My > feeling is that many of the settings > > changed in with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for > format-time-string. > > What's wrong with > > (let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE)) > DO-SOMETHING) > > > Digression: What about adding a third (optional) parameter to > format-time-string to set the locale for a > > specific call? > > How is that different from > > (let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE)) > (format-time-string ....)) > > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000e81f0105ea241bdb Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
HI Eli,=C2=A0

there's nothing wrong= , really. The thing is that you may want to change it just for one call of = format-time-string
(or at least I wanted it) without having to ch= ange it permanently.=C2=A0

BTW am I missing someth= ing .. would your let just change the value of system-time-locale in the bo= dy of the let and then restore it to its original value?

/PA

Best, /PA

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 18= :38, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>= wrote:
> Fro= m: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 07:37:56 +0200
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org
>
> On that side good. On the other hand, I still think that a macro only = controlling the system-locale for the time
> functions may be useful despite, I admit, being somehow redundant. My = feeling is that many of the settings
> changed in with-locale-environment don't need to be changed for fo= rmat-time-string.

What's wrong with

=C2=A0 (let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0DO-SOMETHING)

> Digression: What about adding a third (optional) parameter to format-t= ime-string to set the locale for a
> specific call?

How is that different from

=C2=A0 =C2=A0(let ((system-time-local SOME-LOCALE))
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(format-time-string ....))



--
Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headach= es with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

--000000000000e81f0105ea241bdb-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 03 13:31:49 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2022 17:31:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51674 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPID-0006eU-Be for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:31:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35546) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPIB-0006eH-4I for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:31:47 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39706) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPI5-0002dk-P2; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:31:41 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=UXhp8CJcHV3Jso7x6NPcNIohCNkdWt9pHB1kz97SfDs=; b=U512cq0w6Uml j7oFzZRLbRKq963NbYMzX8ox6lsrchAf6vXgLo4dl+M8Jv7mtocEMEWEHdSkBf3y5lJCJHWsRSzet kH1Ai/YoOXAmko3/WBK5OH8ouixbJZT8O4MrSQKH+n4y0bQJytIMm4Ub1OX6fJ6MuR8wxIIV6dHfP a0rF564sgzgZESFi5yhLq+TOr76h9iLnzODbio5cX2t9Szv6o1yJBz1LXosN5lxvMF2egfworu7s5 Ipxt7U+MEg8Z5DrySNbc8mhTszh3Fz92A4BGitV8mR4bIkfvLkjZ2Ppk6SpH8egRst8fHiyIhWg2E hbBgsZT3k1By8aIAkWyD3A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1080 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofPHQ-0007wS-RP; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 13:31:03 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 20:30:55 +0300 Message-Id: <83k05gyfu8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez In-Reply-To: (message from Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez on Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:47:45 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1tzhhq1.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepye8st.fsf@gnus.org> <83zgecyi9n.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:47:45 +0200 > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > BTW am I missing something .. would your let just change the value of system-time-locale in the body of the > let and then restore it to its original value? Yes, that's the general feature of let-binding. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 04 02:11:33 2022 Received: (at 58193) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Oct 2022 06:11:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52165 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofb9R-0002jx-8w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:11:33 -0400 Received: from mail-ed1-f44.google.com ([209.85.208.44]:46862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofb9O-0002ji-V2 for 58193@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 04 Oct 2022 02:11:31 -0400 Received: by mail-ed1-f44.google.com with SMTP id m15so17401815edb.13 for <58193@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 23:11:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pZx7zD83tSTgrdCAx7Vw3DWonLwC/AF2nOrlS150hm8=; b=epnbJJcj27HDv89+YYj4AgcwX1hnq22mPXNcVWmyP6lfszrWJbgU9BgZWi1GcdfBg/ RNqL40FB7cQzslmPW8dj3RRvRY2z6gE9scQCorjnWHx5/J3+41FJSwev60DNc2t9v51g U29NZ5hfDNvmvwUr0sEzQeVxGmuHq6LQeU0HIoFuo0tQI3oueLsfUkOBz9p/dLZ0zgD3 mJBjnIzdDXj9hUkpYL87OoM/4EPg214BEQtn7MSfuBYBzqsKmUOzaz+zcp0gVn5z5dYO UrltukOD3tnEP2NbxfuscL0trvGSVAu6IfsuAcPoyc3KZ93xHjbMwKL6Q9TaBaAoeJOo bj8w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pZx7zD83tSTgrdCAx7Vw3DWonLwC/AF2nOrlS150hm8=; b=zeinoNRdzWHI0H20DO82xqPS6WXd07qw6I4oVSqZiXeo25EkNevqDAs1xKh6/0INMF OOsS9t7ZqOVQaMc3O5EayYZpRKg3aPT/weN26knv06Q3PmNg+jVPwUUVtZ0Y9nbQ9rfq QRX8m1l0lhEQjORXi4Mxt8uybxfhLCCuASpNqpuuDO5JtjUE277Ib5vr7SSfj/vG5RN2 AUeWmLWlAJQrt/92zVRbXUczmK/TymtP+ve5PQdTy/F7hLD8JDLLJSM5VteWiwpG7rji RLBPc4gEOUgstjXFMRClrIEsl16jx/KIsEoa/klI3fCeuK3DsYJ+0v27PElzebaZT6Zo e/Ug== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2VoUuFUsZdbqlLFAuzVSBnlNkw/bX+B+vDve7/JOTIArNdHIBg zjtsU9DzkWYbwn0CF8DeQM+n6pHRBaEJsVtG32I= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4+rpv6gP85xmlRxJxOH+MwckSf2TanzxJXBFAdAhc8npBEzsMW+JerhF9QuMclRd7c1ydiVCj7aS8z1gJp+ko= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6402:2489:b0:454:11de:7698 with SMTP id q9-20020a056402248900b0045411de7698mr22514755eda.214.1664863883724; Mon, 03 Oct 2022 23:11:23 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87wn9l3q5i.fsf@gnus.org> <83sfk8db0m.fsf@gnu.org> <87mtag4vhi.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtagdall.fsf@gnu.org> <87ill44v2o.fsf@gnus.org> <83leq0d83g.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1u0auk4.fsf@gnu.org> <83wn9katho.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1tzhhq1.fsf@gnus.org> <87lepye8st.fsf@gnus.org> <83zgecyi9n.fsf@gnu.org> <83k05gyfu8.fsf@gnu.org> In-Reply-To: <83k05gyfu8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 08:10:57 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58193: 29.0.50; Screen flickers on with-locale-environment To: Eli Zaretskii Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000638b0005ea2f54f3" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58193 Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000638b0005ea2f54f3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hmmm.... that is not what I understand from 3.6 in the Introduction to Emacs Lisp Programming. If you read the section, it talks about 'local variables'. Depending on you programming background, local may be different from local... I have always understood local as variable that has a meaning within a context and if I happen to use the name of a global variable that is used in the system, then bad luck. It would be nice to say that when you put a variable like system-time-locale in a let, the global variable's value is 'pushed' and will be recovered once you leave the let-binding. Just to make sure there is no misunderstanding. I'll try to see how to tackle this in the elisp Introduction and will propose a patch. Anyhow, better late than never :-) that's what I like, always learning something new. Best, /PA On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 19:31, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > > Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:47:45 +0200 > > Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 58193@debbugs.gnu.org > > > > BTW am I missing something .. would your let just change the value of > system-time-locale in the body of the > > let and then restore it to its original value? > > Yes, that's the general feature of let-binding. > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000638b0005ea2f54f3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hmmm.... that is not what I understand fr= om 3.6 in the Introduction to Emacs Lisp Programming.=C2=A0
If you read= the section, it talks about 'local variables'.
Depending= on you programming background, local may be different from local...
<= div>I have always understood local as variable that has a meaning within a = context and if I happen to use the name of a global variable that is used i= n the system, then bad luck. It would be nice to say that when you put a va= riable like system-time-locale in a let, the global variable's value is= 'pushed' and will be recovered once you leave the let-binding. Jus= t to make sure there is no misunderstanding.

I'= ;ll try to see how to tackle this in the elisp Introduction and will propos= e a patch.

Anyhow, better late than never :-) that= 's what I like, always learning something new.

Best, /PA

On Mon, 3 Oct 2022 at 19:31, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutier= rez <paaguti@gmai= l.com>
> Date: Mon, 3 Oct 2022 18:47:45 +0200
> Cc: larsi@gnus.org= , 58193@debb= ugs.gnu.org
>
> BTW am I missing something .. would your let just change the value of = system-time-locale in the body of the
> let and then restore it to its original value?

Yes, that's the general feature of let-binding.


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Fragen sind da um = gestellt zu werden
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Headach= es with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.u= niter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't = yet

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