From unknown Mon Jul 21 02:27:12 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#58171 <58171@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#58171 <58171@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default Reply-To: bug#58171 <58171@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Mon, 21 Jul 2025 09:27:12 +0000 retitle 58171 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default reassign 58171 emacs submitter 58171 Stefan Kangas severity 58171 wishlist tag 58171 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 29 12:45:27 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 16:45:27 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39420 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odwf8-0002G9-Vs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:45:27 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odwf7-0002G1-A7 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:45:25 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51570) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odwf6-0004lF-Qf for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:45:25 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-x2a.google.com ([2001:4860:4864:20::2a]:44644) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odwf5-0005ij-4g for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:45:24 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-x2a.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-13189cd5789so2453717fac.11 for ; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date; bh=/UuY6HBMvRJrIVuIkbxeIGyEgQi++Y829xFlOoRScnA=; b=cn/wtztu5oLA+C9jLIsCMO2jv9RjnadFVy6FRzxLC1wgfYQy4RGn7kuL/h3koJk0Hu xsMTPcdbgg9Oz0MMvOP8Y/ABLoRWEG5eTgtH4mr5aPZtZt6ZQFDQyTl9FPXEbxwQv7JM 2KcmkZW0ANhMr+IaS/jCjMJ2jkvNYWpYKUVECwxj67dJgVcOJ1xD9xmfyXTuSZu3Se4Y e18abog8Kg/tVTre6zsehrD59EyircmngGnLt3hINDsmihTAAdrJ7+XnL1QFr1F0aL5V SNlWto5s9A3dEZeTVoGnaNawHEPMwW0J2jZh3GU5B41B+0RlGLa+wc8soCoLVRvDEH+5 Evkw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=/UuY6HBMvRJrIVuIkbxeIGyEgQi++Y829xFlOoRScnA=; b=vgq1SNiltIdhzOuHPuef594xQdaHlJohOueJZFXxNrIBbw+Rry1fx3DNKnd6vTlNu5 vCZ5dp3gcIopjcwziNAWhGH5E2y64rKrbEwOmiisbJHgqJfjZjeq+HnZOupg26DX/wI6 O57g0qj6INtI/7CRANJF9WMndmA4+fCzEnUo1H1ioro8FzMTUGdeittOOFdDponpduKt wZfk3EzqO+05Qm+/bmHiTHWDa/TrUbaQ7AnDlEMk3MQqYEwbhb6YZvwrylcAIERb92OY lspTnqAA8cjpcb9Wh/IX+zw16s4O/2/aFqwZsBZkF2BBruuUzdCMvTUem1N1lYvSdCKX pc/A== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2/dadLCipAESMQVR7OUkkOnGURwYQe0RCYakqDk+MmRLxgQN+E ypKFLxxmYPR0FVBYbFtaK9ACcI4DjIurwCg6mVTS6bCq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4Jgb3bKvjP8FoBu++tgaCp0zx3UqnKl96kQ2KcmACACXp0esycopmLXkUI/jm7akx3xqDHS1QCzYvyzPoYRNs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:46a6:b0:12d:130c:2fd5 with SMTP id a38-20020a05687046a600b0012d130c2fd5mr8818866oap.92.1664469921783; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:21 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas X-Hashcash: 1:20:220929:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::9PFpsBpi1qeqfm+M:ACez MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:4860:4864:20::2a; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-oa1-x2a.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Severity: wishlist This is a proposal to set `gnus-user-agent' to non-nil by default. To save some typing, I'll just quote what Daniel Kahn Gillmor said when they made this change in notmuch back in 2016: > The User-Agent: header can be fun and interesting, but it also leaks > quite a bit of information about the user and their software stack. > > This represents a potential security risk (attackers can target the > particular stack) and also an anonymity risk (a user trying to > preserve their anonymity by sending mail from a non-associated account > might reveal quite a lot of information if their choice of mail user > agent is exposed). > > It makes sense to have safer defaults. https://notmuchmail.org/pipermail/notmuch/2016/022789.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 29 13:05:14 2022 Received: (at 58171) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 17:05:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39473 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odwyI-0002nZ-90 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:05:14 -0400 Received: from mail-oi1-f181.google.com ([209.85.167.181]:33424) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odwyG-0002n9-3X for 58171@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:05:13 -0400 Received: by mail-oi1-f181.google.com with SMTP id j188so2274709oih.0 for <58171@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:05:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=MvEvywhfJiYnS3GYkWKvqVI2vAJUgiDyccTH5mnWz7g=; b=H8nCAyldh553igVSKIuNsy+O+wb8Sw2CW75oTxWAeaYRQIqf9tRpQC/7y/8f3CgZA/ kyRnPuuO1cQpirEU0S9j3XxUGu7m1E4HxkgwJ9X2cEcKoaX/cvSZR4mGrJaLO41NfpE1 ZJICURnf3A7tVAa9Ee03rLWBPRf9NWJKwMn6Gj0cnsuvE6etV/gHjJZQ92GRUoMty5sj KhSSHHcw/jKqgnEQEXCq0/3lznCspQB1/V/x6Qf+g+HjNjM4UO3chK38sP2JKGZVXBZC 9Il43QRrFHSDHJxl33L+5+HGYD2jfIN5mg4DZcSvv2PCLllq0SFSi3vYW6V+eAV6KHP0 b/NQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from :x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=MvEvywhfJiYnS3GYkWKvqVI2vAJUgiDyccTH5mnWz7g=; b=TUaU6jLCdgWGL/+TyFSxz/DNFpsJCr6wEZOyKeZeml2ujNHUUYUmRjs6S9tzLlO2nI hE8IX8DEVIVW4onJC8ZePO4a1zTZvcjTMrTLQ0RvXtC1nLg+J0ZJ9oDveo8HgaZQrUgO lskI/T5hax1okz2+46y8X0g0RlLFalc2MsnU+p9UadK+dJHJKaRGXKn+22t+vKPfuZkl w3Udrg+zHdrDy2+WLsSy4LwneP5sD36vYClqmpd/gkavf5AaLSEObDq+6hU0BQXYv5vN XUYXxhwBPoMZcajZmu8YPiKDA6D1itk5Kdr4045E6siJVj4DHlErG5prBHsAYEsS4GGp Jh3A== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0m8pH6FFApNzzcflQcMYOyr2IjcyOjnWq+Xx03UDgF9Lk2Dx9K L9bvIKDdtqO/TStgQ8v5qnFKuW+xW7x+P7OppT5pjnW6 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7XCwPjI798sVjAKJXElfMXug7FsMx02g6akTiI3enb2exqBLxUgjkSbu8Q3nFboE/jmmZTZtX74Z6TlkZm+k8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6808:1688:b0:345:ea9a:2954 with SMTP id bb8-20020a056808168800b00345ea9a2954mr7407373oib.199.1664471106270; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:05:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:05:05 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:21 -0700") References: X-Hashcash: 1:20:220929:58171@debbugs.gnu.org::qvW9CKyB7dVjRJ/p:M8S3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 10:05:05 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58171: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default To: 58171@debbugs.gnu.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58171 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > This is a proposal to set `gnus-user-agent' to non-nil by default. ^^^^^^^ Should be "nil", of course, as in the subject. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 09:37:41 2022 Received: (at 58171) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 13:37:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGCz-00011J-K4 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:37:41 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55370) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGCu-00010x-P3 for 58171@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:37:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=KDOqljhGrPfUSlkt03tNbyW3xxQ3WfOzj1F9F3+n93E=; b=p0JM9gqAdUIclb5wS+NVEGOWMA uaHCDE0Zgto6wHnaWiqJrzufwv+XAVSl9giNe++lM3Fifcmw9BTHpBr3HYRdULjj77FFXVqlBz/SH fk2HrAniRQix1gSY+dmiNjIkOyNm7qg+Kb9Dd9EVko8MxsVJU4vQVnDGji22Ulcg9jgo=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGCl-0000XU-7X; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:37:30 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#58171: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 09:45:21 -0700") References: X-Now-Playing: Lafaristo feat Ayaman (produced by Dj Skothane)'s _L'Esprit de Nyege 2020_: "Muntu Wami Ngibambe" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:37:26 +0200 Message-ID: <87k05l56g9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > To save some typing, I'll just quote what Daniel Kahn Gillmor said when > they made this change in notmuch back in 2016: > >> The User-Agent: header can be fun and interesting, but it also leaks >> [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58171 Cc: 58171@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > To save some typing, I'll just quote what Daniel Kahn Gillmor said when > they made this change in notmuch back in 2016: > >> The User-Agent: header can be fun and interesting, but it also leaks >> quite a bit of information about the user and their software stack. >> >> This represents a potential security risk (attackers can target the >> particular stack) and also an anonymity risk (a user trying to >> preserve their anonymity by sending mail from a non-associated account >> might reveal quite a lot of information if their choice of mail user >> agent is exposed). >> >> It makes sense to have safer defaults. I think in the case of Gnus, defaulting this header to nil would just be security theatre -- there so many distinctive features in how Gnus/Message formats messages that anybody can tell that it's from Emacs even without that header. So I don't think it makes sense to do this, and I'm closing this bug report. 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Content preview: tags 58171 wontfix close 58171 quit Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) tags 58171 wontfix close 58171 quit From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 09:53:57 2022 Received: (at 58171) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 13:53:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40912 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGSi-0003fg-Mq for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:53:57 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-f48.google.com ([209.85.160.48]:35437) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGSh-0003fS-9O for 58171@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 09:53:56 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-f48.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-131b7bb5077so5533355fac.2 for <58171@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 06:53:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pXLTpWtu0hxEDjkhomNe4ADGYctATsfqnNIUb2j3R4k=; b=Va1bS8qIcSUoW+uoIQjSADA9dWgBKnfTsb9XnzJWWuQ3fSPTIWaQl4+eY+MWbnspQ3 7W1qDWTemQeTSPGgknrccSarud82iFBllw/7zcm63Z4E5j30YUlQj4tABisd4D2a7pyt amCed6vnUMEnk+n9PHjI4lZ771NWeySz/6Y694P53LqFID2GyzxEACAn7JZN6auXxzvW Sb5IwY1zaUmTKzIr+8Sf0Fl1XSl8RDXAvABlk7zWyw6XRgeRzR5qhHELkYLNsct890j3 cJ8ie0iEta4dsZpHBDdSL1B86ePChyTKnxDKn6YNvY3C0xAO9QS1kbAzwT5YKMO1kotn T4fQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=pXLTpWtu0hxEDjkhomNe4ADGYctATsfqnNIUb2j3R4k=; b=SIaFQEfS8NW7SZltAXRG+VaQGMk46oHcgkNXVEcbJCXCyIXeX1QZEx/r+cTiNacYpW h+6MCK4UNBMi/tcYJgo7angpE37daYkChTgzrVa0teCg+fZd/JezESa1ZfAi5t05u3CY v+C+Vlv7SMfrUhtW7FW1bB+I7if8wnxLjmFMkoLdwk0OJ4qmrH1cKwN0JwMsuMN3CAML w0EDM5XThKayI4iA6Q08JSGCIGYHdyP6V652610wHtiHUuoUhcjlZ6lWE88XF4tbMUop Jjm8y3qJH8et2yVC14HyytTCirdcNRUFvpXZyU295PqfmEQuKT7kPdFwJ56qUwoEQkez ySBA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf3d5CYSr7NQc5XarR/oiBGC8hv9XFYGqf+dzX+LtJtsSAnnZoxp VKK5Rw8sr3VUbs0pt1nsEhgUXBVhA5PLyJRz6tc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4cadM8ViRB7jvM++KMwvpRL4zc/TLWSUl89vDlFWoL04VHi7ZNRbB0Bw9tJSu+TS99oCeltP5l3wbAvmM9UrY= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:46a6:b0:12d:130c:2fd5 with SMTP id a38-20020a05687046a600b0012d130c2fd5mr11154089oap.92.1664546029679; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 06:53:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87k05l56g9.fsf@gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87k05l56g9.fsf@gnus.org> From: Stefan Kangas Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:53:37 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58171: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58171 Cc: 58171@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > I think in the case of Gnus, defaulting this header to nil would just be > security theatre -- there so many distinctive features in how > Gnus/Message formats messages that anybody can tell that it's from Emacs > even without that header. For me, the greater concern is anonymity/privacy, where I do think it's better to be less specific. How about removing just the Emacs version? If you announce "29.0.50", only very few people will be running that version at any given time, certainly fewer than is running the releases. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 10:02:50 2022 Received: (at 58171) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 14:02:50 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42567 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGbK-0006XR-KB for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:02:50 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:55608) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGbH-0006XC-UL for 58171@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 10:02:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=joOe3umnCbWIx8eCsJd69sn/GAwwoh2NSuIrlTsUopg=; b=Qtn4lSNjoPBbfvPg7oFZoJSJKM +TTrUoGDL9C8eQyFykuoO6UWtikw8I3CJ6hDu1M7M+T+x62VHhrUgsUMc5gTjHwTSJQ6yI0+ULB62 7I4gG2/2w+3f2JLQtdql5zNY3BwznHROuRmx58R3kjMRwJmqwiP+MtQGBXjRtkn1yQuw=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeGb9-0000hw-2S; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:02:41 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: Stefan Kangas Subject: Re: bug#58171: 29.0.50; Change gnus-user-agent to nil by default In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 30 Sep 2022 15:53:37 +0200") References: <87k05l56g9.fsf@gnus.org> X-Now-Playing: Badsista's _L'Esprit de Nyege 2020_: "Nile River Dancing" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 16:02:38 +0200 Message-ID: <871qrt55a9.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > How about removing just the Emacs version? If you announce "29.0.50", > only very few people will be running that version at any given time, > certainly fewer than is running the releases. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58171 Cc: 58171@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > How about removing just the Emacs version? If you announce "29.0.50", > only very few people will be running that version at any given time, > certainly fewer than is running the releases. That's a good point. I've now removed the `type' and `emacs' from the default value. 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