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Also can we add something like this to etc/HELLO: "Some of these greetings or the script name may be wrong or misspelled so if you know the script, please help by correcting them."? For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to find their greetings and most of the time if their greetings are available online they are in the roman script so often I have to convert them into their native script therefore these greetings may have a high chance of misspelling or they may be wrong altogether so adding something like the above mentioned line may help. Thanks --000000000000cce8b905e9cee1c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The Wancho script is added to Emacs this time.
<= div>
Also can we add something like this to etc/HELLO:
<= div>"Some of these greetings or the script name may be wrong or misspe= lled so if you know the script, please help by correcting them."?

For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to= find their greetings and most of the time if their greetings are available= online they are in the roman script so often I have to convert them into t= heir native script therefore these greetings may have a high chance of miss= pelling or they may be wrong altogether so adding something like the above = mentioned line may help.

Thanks
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On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 4:37 PM =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0= =A5=80=E0=A4=B0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9 Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30@gmail.com> wrote:
<= div>The Wancho script is added to Emacs this time.

Also can we add something like this to etc/HELLO:
"Some of = these greetings or the script name may be wrong or misspelled so if you kno= w the script, please help by correcting them."?

For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to find their greeti= ngs and most of the time if their greetings are available online they are i= n the roman script so often I have to convert them into their native script= therefore these greetings may have a high chance of misspelling or they ma= y be wrong altogether so adding something like the above mentioned line may= help.

Thanks
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We don't need to have a greeting for every language environment we support. So if we aren't sure how are greetings written, we could just omit it. > For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to find their greetings and most of the time if their > greetings are available online they are in the roman script so often I have to convert them into their > native script therefore these greetings may have a high chance of misspelling or they may be wrong > altogether so adding something like the above mentioned line may help. I installed the patch, thanks. 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So if we aren't sure how are greetings written, we could > just omit it Oh, Ok > I installed the patch, thanks. Great! On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 6:46 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82= =E0=A4=B9 Sameer Singh > > > > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:39:27 +0530 > > > > Also can we add something like this to etc/HELLO: > > "Some of these greetings or the script name may be wrong or misspelled > so if you know the script, > > please help by correcting them."? > > We don't need to have a greeting for every language environment we > support. So if we aren't sure how are greetings written, we could > just omit it. > > > For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to find their > greetings and most of the time if their > > greetings are available online they are in the roman script so often I > have to convert them into their > > native script therefore these greetings may have a high chance of > misspelling or they may be wrong > > altogether so adding something like the above mentioned line may help. > > I installed the patch, thanks. > --00000000000053076805e9d0c0b4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
We don&#= 39;t need to have a greeting for every language environment we
support.=C2=A0 So if we aren't sure how are greetings written, we could=
just omit it

Oh, Ok

> I installed the patch, thanks.

Great!


On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 6:46 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80= =E0=A4=B0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9 Sameer Singh
>=C2=A0 <l= umarzeli30@gmail.com>
> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:39:27 +0530
>
>=C2=A0 Also can we add something like this to etc/HELLO:
>=C2=A0 "Some of these greetings or the script name may be wrong or= misspelled so if you know the script,
>=C2=A0 please help by correcting them."?

We don't need to have a greeting for every language environment we
support.=C2=A0 So if we aren't sure how are greetings written, we could=
just omit it.

>=C2=A0 For many of these languages/scripts it is difficult to find thei= r greetings and most of the time if their
>=C2=A0 greetings are available online they are in the roman script so o= ften I have to convert them into their
>=C2=A0 native script therefore these greetings may have a high chance o= f misspelling or they may be wrong
>=C2=A0 altogether so adding something like the above mentioned line may= help.

I installed the patch, thanks.
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This was not intentional, enriched-mode automatically adds a newline, most of the time I remove it, this time it may have skipped past my eyes. see: https://mail.gnu.org/archive/html/bug-gnu-emacs/2022-05/msg00581.html On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:57 PM Robert Pluim wrote: > >>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:39:27 +0530, =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0= =A4=B0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9 Sameer Singh < > lumarzeli30@gmail.com> said: > =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> @@ -116,6 +116,7 @@ Turkish (T= =C3=BCrk=C3=A7e) Merhaba > =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> Ukrainian (=D1=83=D0=BA=D1=80= =D0=B0=D1=97=D0=BD=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=B0) =D0=92=D1=96=D1=82=D0=B0= =D1=8E > =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> Vietnamese (ti=E1=BA=BFng Vi= =E1=BB=87t) Ch=C3=A0o b=E1=BA=A1n > > =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> +Wancho (=F0=9E=8B=92=F0=9E=8B= =80=F0=9E=8B=89=F0=9E=8B=83=F0=9E=8B=95) =F0=9E=8B=82=F0=9E=8B=88= =F0=9E=8B=9B > > Any reason for the newline between Vietnamese and Wancho? > > =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> (toto #x1E290) > > TIL there=CA=BCs a script called 'toto', which is the French equivalent o= f > 'foo' :-) > > Thanks > > Robert > -- > --000000000000d6c99a05e9d2669c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Any reason for the newline between Vietnamese and Wancho?
=
This was not intentional, enriched-mode automatically adds a= newline, most of the time I remove it, this time
it may have ski= pped past my eyes.

On Thu, Sep 29, 2022 at 7:57 = PM Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com> wrote:
>= ;>>>> On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:39:27 +0530, =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0= =A5=80=E0=A4=B0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9 Sameer Singh <lumarzeli30@gmail.com= > said:
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> @@ -116,6 +116,7 @@ = Turkish (T=C3=BCrk=C3=A7e)=C2=A0 Merhaba
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0>=C2=A0 Ukrainian (=D1= =83=D0=BA=D1=80=D0=B0=D1=97=D0=BD=D1=81=D1=8C=D0=BA=D0=B0)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2= =A0 =C2=A0=D0=92=D1=96=D1=82=D0=B0=D1=8E
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0>=C2=A0 Vietnamese (ti= =E1=BA=BFng Vi=E1=BB=87t)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Ch=C3=A0o b=E1=BA=A1n

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0> +Wancho (=F0=9E=8B= =92=F0=9E=8B=80=F0=9E=8B=89=F0=9E=8B=83=F0=9E=8B=95)=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =F0=9E=8B=82=F0=9E=8B=88=F0=9E=8B=9B

Any reason for the newline between Vietnamese and Wancho?

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0(toto #x1E290)

TIL there=CA=BCs a script called 'toto', which is the French equiva= lent of
'foo' :-)

Thanks

Robert
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I avoid enriched-mode for HELLO :-) Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 30 21:58:08 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 01:58:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43241 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeRlY-0003dt-7b for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:08 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:46092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeRlX-0003dP-5u for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55442) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeRlR-0002yN-VT; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=HrWZndS1o2d+nXKeC7qXp8sqMJJmnP2fhElpwm5UcuQ=; b=kUni/i5zVIXV bYwsd1q8ZL8RA9zwAaSd7m1DAD64JAy7afc0CipAg11y+pwmnKDNHAVOJssy3V6MKY+twyjwhn6AZ 0SzfZuf43UIozL+Hcayz3vMjf4iNqiDiCcR0h6sGzCdogH0032lSBtsjhhosZEWwvmT/uWCE7u9R9 N3Gu0ZFiHJiYmUWCHZ5nz6aboXPGUK2uPucecmytP+u+7YySr4qxrqu0o8B6zfkpTcNCm16lsreP2 qT2xRT7xBdyIIYoyy+/zWJkNIOc3DR9mV8SqYV3Qh7j0uchZHnT/vqvi5VpFTyniGTh51LC/lVjfi rsAif65e909UBwwzvB+dDg==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeRlR-0002Pp-N4; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:01 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0_=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9_Sameer_Singh?= In-Reply-To: (lumarzeli30@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: Message-Id: Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:01 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script? According to Wikipedia, the Wancho script was invented 10 years ago; Wancho is normally written using the Latin alphabet or Devanagari. Some schools are starting to teach writing Wancho using that alphabet instead of the well-known alphabet. I suppose there is a campaign for Wancho speakers to switch to it. Is that really a good idea? I suspect it comes from a sort of boosterism/ethnic nationalism, as if having your own script were a mark of importance. But I think it is counterproductive to introduce more incompatibility of scripts. Do we really want to spend time on Emacs supporting scripts which were created recently and have little user base? English does not have an alphabet of its own; it uses an alphabet borrowed from Latin. Maybe English needs more prestige to compete with Chinese and Hindi. Should we invent a new English alphabet? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 00:54:03 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 04:54:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeUVn-00086X-4p for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 00:54:03 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-f173.google.com ([209.85.128.173]:44804) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeUVk-000861-WE for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 00:54:01 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-f173.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-345528ceb87so62133377b3.11 for <58159@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:54:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Wc4PrvvqG6O5asW5WG+OS0pDBOlWnAlmw+Ef/+kxaBE=; b=LLTALczutJQ2q/UJYYhp4BQ51xv06vnu6JG9bp5l+X3stGVeJAkYNr+fyULHRW63sX Uj62mHKjxP7g+thUQVeBdXwJXsCc8yHt55fhzaKfhzUhf+jEo0SiwYAgLRPx53i3gEVb +1L2lu7gHyiaEXYJTc+qhayF1OpwlXmT3mb0UT0FlVrvA/5hRV/PZES3LQQCO6ySk+x2 /0x1YsElSU4b4AQfjqiV2GrZPllkrLZT4fE9Xi5aF3Y0YOhqSAs+AysHfFCWpCt5MLk+ BwD58IvsFu0OxOBVOyVsOYSp6NTH13/ZHmEGNaeJsAT19STJ7bvG8HAs5la1xMcBukz9 6E5w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Wc4PrvvqG6O5asW5WG+OS0pDBOlWnAlmw+Ef/+kxaBE=; b=gqqiaC6q4/EVWBXixXvd/hPjrjsKeRjHN3+LgGsJEWKjbREYjbg+9XchLPsoU5ZLtb xSUtVGuICrtTQ5Ohsl9X03zSKQUzPbwtSF6M8uNjCLW88QFnB39FuI1UFSnUS8QUqdTn Ut7EFzzuFC4bWWEC9+sP2U91a+LV08Z/0j0uLXkyLS3X+Vmud1gjzhme/mE1n2uRr3by YcuVxib9iTpMkE5SAhWKQ5QnioetkntZ5TIIaW9k/N+VTfbhoIu/vV3e69xKT3wdrqOp tX6EgVInSRA4fUtjVWWAFu85D6vbeOLmLyxgO1URhearLi4ZkS5O85MPyslKjB0acZeW nNzQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2vaRDew98ivVMFj0jhvn/iTs97a5X4Q97v3C8CcG0L8GA3qp/M WLPU6l4HHG5V88SAISmZ3Hi3Vsgh55dB+8QMsNc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4PBjjl0Mwrk4bQ3+e7GQyQ+FF4MqNzhPzCZ87xFrIOgZdf993Y8U5ofOmqOcxx8vxfzSdWmPfjEYZaGJVE5lQ= X-Received: by 2002:a0d:df89:0:b0:358:26e2:7ef with SMTP id i131-20020a0ddf89000000b0035826e207efmr69904ywe.126.1664600035157; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:53:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: From: =?UTF-8?B?4KS44KSu4KWA4KSwIOCkuOCkv+CkguCkuSBTYW1lZXIgU2luZ2g=?= Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2022 10:23:43 +0530 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script To: rms@gnu.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c9ed0a05e9f1e57c" X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) --000000000000c9ed0a05e9f1e57c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script? I don't get how adding support for the Wancho script is complicating Emacs, this was a relatively straightforward simple patch, even composition rules were not needed here. Wancho is included in Unicode therefore Emacs support is added. Wancho is normally written using the Latin alphabet or Devanagari. > Some schools are starting to teach writing Wancho using that alphabet > instead of the well-known alphabet. I suppose there is a campaign > for Wancho speakers to switch to it. > Have you considered that Wancho being a Sino-Tibetan language, Devanagari and Latin script may be inadequate to serve it? Is that really a good idea? I suspect it comes from a sort of > boosterism/ethnic nationalism, as if having your own script were a > mark of importance. > It is though, having a separate script also provides a unique identity to the language. For example take the Bhojpuri language it used to have its own script: Kaithi, but later switched to Devanagari, this I feel is one of the major reasons it is still not recognised as a language by the government but is instead treated as a dialect of Hindi. Many people regard it as a "less polished" version of Hindi. Urdu despite being virtually same with Hindi enjoys the status of a separate language. (Of course this also has many different reasons, but a having a different script is also one of them) Having a different script has aesthetic reasons as well for example how could latin replicate the beauty of devanagari conjuncts! Also look at the abomination that is the Vietnamese script. But I think it is counterproductive to introduce > more incompatibility of scripts. > Emacs should atleast support all of the unicode scripts, I don't know how moving towards that goal is "increasing incompatibility of scripts" Do we really want to spend time on Emacs supporting scripts > which were created recently and have little user base? > I do not ask anyone else to spend their time adding scripts to Emacs, since this is my wish I do it myself, and the Emacs maintainers graciously accept it and include it into Emacs providing corrections and guidance along the way. English does not have an alphabet of its own; it uses an alphabet > borrowed from Latin. Maybe English needs more prestige to compete > with Chinese and Hindi. Should we invent a new English alphabet? > I propse an Abugida =F0=9F=98=89 Maybe this time they could work on the orthography =F0=9F=A4=9E On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 7:28 AM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script? > According to Wikipedia, the Wancho script was invented 10 years ago; > Wancho is normally written using the Latin alphabet or Devanagari. > Some schools are starting to teach writing Wancho using that alphabet > instead of the well-known alphabet. I suppose there is a campaign > for Wancho speakers to switch to it. > > Is that really a good idea? I suspect it comes from a sort of > boosterism/ethnic nationalism, as if having your own script were a > mark of importance. But I think it is counterproductive to introduce > more incompatibility of scripts. > > Do we really want to spend time on Emacs supporting scripts > which were created recently and have little user base? > > English does not have an alphabet of its own; it uses an alphabet > borrowed from Latin. Maybe English needs more prestige to compete > with Chinese and Hindi. Should we invent a new English alphabet? > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > --000000000000c9ed0a05e9f1e57c Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script?

I don't get how adding support for the Wancho = script is complicating Emacs, this
was a relatively straightforwa= rd simple patch, even composition rules were not needed
here. Wan= cho is included in Unicode therefore Emacs support is added.

=
Wancho is norm= ally written using the Latin alphabet or Devanagari.
Some schools are starting to teach writing Wancho using that alphabet
instead of the well-known alphabet.=C2=A0 I suppose there is a campaign
for Wancho speakers to switch to it.

= Have you considered that Wancho being a Sino-Tibetan language, Devanagari a= nd Latin script
may be inadequate to serve it?=C2=A0
Is that real= ly a good idea?=C2=A0 I suspect it comes from a sort of
boosterism/ethnic nationalism, as if having your own script were a
mark of importance.

It is though, hav= ing a separate script also provides a unique identity to the language.
For example take the Bhojpuri language it used to have its own script= : Kaithi, but later switched to
Devanagari, this I feel is one of= the major reasons it is still not recognised as a language by the governme= nt
but is instead treated as a dialect of Hindi. Many people rega= rd it as a "less polished" version of Hindi.
Urdu despi= te being virtually same with Hindi enjoys the status of a separate language= .
(Of course this also has many different reasons, but a having a= different script is also one of them)

Having a di= fferent script has aesthetic reasons as well for example how could latin re= plicate the beauty
of devanagari conjuncts!
Also lo= ok at the abomination that is the Vietnamese script.

But I think it is = counterproductive to introduce
more incompatibility of scripts.

Emac= s should atleast support all of the unicode scripts, I don't know how m= oving towards that goal is
"increasing incompatibility of sc= ripts"

Do we really want to spend time on Emacs supporting scripts
which were created recently and have little user base?

I do not ask anyone else to spend their time adding s= cripts to Emacs, since this is my wish I do it myself,
and the Em= acs maintainers graciously accept it=C2=A0 and include it into Emacs provid= ing corrections and guidance along the way.

English does not have an alphab= et of its own; it uses an alphabet
borrowed from Latin.=C2=A0 Maybe English needs more prestige to compete
with Chinese and Hindi.=C2=A0 Should we invent a new English alphabet?

I propse an Abugida=C2=A0=F0=9F=98= =89
Maybe this time they could work on the orthography =F0=9F=A4= =9E

On Sat, Oct 1, 2022 at 7:28 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my e= mail: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script?
According to Wikipedia, the Wancho script was invented 10 years ago;
Wancho is normally written using the Latin alphabet or Devanagari.
Some schools are starting to teach writing Wancho using that alphabet
instead of the well-known alphabet.=C2=A0 I suppose there is a campaign
for Wancho speakers to switch to it.

Is that really a good idea?=C2=A0 I suspect it comes from a sort of
boosterism/ethnic nationalism, as if having your own script were a
mark of importance.=C2=A0 But I think it is counterproductive to introduce<= br> more incompatibility of scripts.

Do we really want to spend time on Emacs supporting scripts
which were created recently and have little user base?

English does not have an alphabet of its own; it uses an alphabet
borrowed from Latin.=C2=A0 Maybe English needs more prestige to compete
with Chinese and Hindi.=C2=A0 Should we invent a new English alphabet?

--
Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org)
Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
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--000000000000c9ed0a05e9f1e57c-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 01 02:04:02 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 06:04:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43463 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVbU-0001bS-7g for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:04:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVbO-0001bC-TM for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:03:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVbJ-0002IY-Mo; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:03:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=xcJC2zpUGM4wyERzodYiQUtwRYL08Vk5Oiw8uvnDleg=; b=kA1y6NPMJTNe 0uhGjiYyB+mmQ4IuSB5/O5wEtQzlWszQN3cbzWqU2fKGVCFOaOS//2LBMq2RA2cHznonkNHoKyioK L4IfQJm1pqh2/KaPRdUUnmdrQcq3PSgLzzzNahUclQQKnpKZrrJxwgjez+WEjquQDN+u+OS3nWNEg 5/sTLTxgrp0XQc/2RdhGVfQRSpt2qWPG359EoP0dlV9AiN00JVnPp07MR6+TQYPmZDlqZ1m0Fw/sb X4jVlQgpCgKlTj36b+CoEtsfuangdbXCNR4nP1Z8+75tMo7iZvmITTcphTGyTWH1xL5aba/MrUmZa ywuUOIhimAf6yjs8/9EYhA==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2492 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oeVbI-0008Bi-Ok; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 02:03:49 -0400 Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 09:03:37 +0300 Message-Id: <835yh4cc7a.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:01 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 58159@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 21:58:01 -0400 > > Do we really want to complicate Emacs to support the Wancho script? The script was already supported: we automatically add support for all the scripts defined by the Unicode Standard when we import each new version of Unicode, simply by virtue of supporting the character codepoints of that script. The change in question just defined a new language-environment (a small addition to an existing data structure) and a new (and very simple) input method. So my conclusion (and I asked myself the same questions when reviewing the patch) was that adding this doesn't complicate Emacs in any significant way. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 02 21:06:19 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2022 01:06:19 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48440 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1of9uU-0001zI-KO for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:19 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49288) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1of9uS-0001z2-3t for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46174) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of9uM-00087m-Sz; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=jLon9f2/wl+yakQ+Au3OksyFDDB0kAT9h5gN6U/RDn0=; b=ccuJWRFEKlCL fqHvwDIOiL3P3KMifWAceqVTYmOqKAfCiYD8gMy+mBTDnObeSBEqE58sh9m/HsxedcIIoSQFFoVJL kdUKHDCbO6N7uFMu9smNLcfb7QnvqMNzO9Jn3qAeoOS8SLS6RALyKSrAN1wQVFQNR801gDDMG0/Eh Rm38UQ2tnFrdTYi53s86Ko+fHDvUvogGLvM4Zc91PqmoIDqEAoMObGQ0+iovkB6AYq+QlhmPIBWPm sX6z09PMDQB1lCalooisNhAjaGK3tUa6lohgT0yW/OVgLcpQP/K9p28igBevtnYkSAy1Qnf6XlLMh Ug3BiZPzD2wmj+mgDhww4w==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1of9uM-0004q6-LB; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:10 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0_=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9_Sameer_Singh?= In-Reply-To: (lumarzeli30@gmail.com) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: Message-Id: Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:10 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > I don't get how adding support for the Wancho script is complicating Emacs, > this Normally a feature like this requires documentation in a manual as well as code to implement it. > Have you considered that Wancho being a Sino-Tibetan language, Devanagari > and Latin script > may be inadequate to serve it? It could be so, but there's no point in our speculating about it. The Wancho speakers can judge this. If some decades from now they mostly use the new alphabet, that will give it a real case for support. > It is though, having a separate script also provides a unique identity to > the language. This tends to support my speculation, that the development of this alphabet was part of a political influence campaign. > Urdu despite being virtually same with Hindi enjoys the status of a > separate language. I don't speak either Urdu or Hindi, but I've read that Urdu has a lot of vocabulary derived from Persian or Arabic. With such a difference, they are not "virtually the same." But that is a tangent. Each of those scripts is used by millions and has been used for centuries. It is clear that Emacs should support them both. > Having a different script has aesthetic reasons as well for example how > could latin replicate the beauty > of devanagari conjuncts! I found that a difficult complexity, for this human, and for software too I expect. But that too is a tangent. My point is that when Unicode incorporates scripts that aren't and never were used very much, and were developed for PR motives, incorporation into Unicode is not by itself a reason to add support into Emacs. You're right that supporting _one_ barely-used script is not a significant complexity. If this is the only barely-used script that Unicode incorporates, I won't keep arguing against it. But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how many more barely-used scripts will it adopt? How many more has it already adopted? -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 02 22:38:17 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2022 02:38:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48505 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofBLU-0004EY-TZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 22:38:17 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57052) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ofBLT-0004EM-B6 for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 22:38:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34702) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofBLO-0002jN-59; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 22:38:10 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=NqCUqgXCV+YQeRm2clQtqDVEStiP9yYk3fHisM2h7DM=; b=eNLFQ9LBnyti Wt72HLmYBLrk0T0v1NU4j3e2WuRFpvTRWMIiqq9NOEfRdykYLuj7h9mGoTw5Bxs4c3wD4OQ4MSBjo vFGkWcV87aE6Yc4M15eKWtSQL/wJJd8wkvJc/EPwHHz3olVjvLFgwizwUsvxzF9RihB8V7OrVcHLy k5IwI9zpEPw7/wQR/BCil4aVsFaOCPNacKB7YZEYV8iJRRYZ8t5EbTzQzFQbxpaetFsg1I9qhnk3W V9LVnikMIdYQG7eN+H9f9Aq7OwkB1q6y8t1tjWAu9uRXvoNgeu6cFk4L4HAZy2gnz4RcXOQVNVgFm LIv7SOeVcmPZaup99aA5wg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2136 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ofBLM-0007GP-UJ; Sun, 02 Oct 2022 22:38:09 -0400 Date: Mon, 03 Oct 2022 05:38:02 +0300 Message-Id: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:10 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 58159@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Richard Stallman > Date: Sun, 02 Oct 2022 21:06:10 -0400 > > But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how many more > barely-used scripts will it adopt? How many more has it already > adopted? That is not our question to answer. The Unicode Consortium makes these decisions based on their criteria. We just support the characters they add. These additions are usually so minor that I believe they don't warrant any discussion. E.g., part of the support for new characters is the ability to up-case and down-case them; we lift the data from the Unicode Character Database, which we import. It would be unthinkable for Emacs not to be able to do these simple text operations on any character. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 08 18:35:46 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Oct 2022 22:35:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41575 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ohIQ5-0004nx-SJ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:46 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59496) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ohIQ2-0004nj-D7 for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:43 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34048) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohIPx-0004s9-5f; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=AJ5I9/Fdxb65OEmFrDwPuN2UbrVMOgb4DlDZ0d7s9OU=; b=AwtaXZi07kS+ AHC9Ei6kI9jyrwbmA1mFHV0dSVUFbzgTXihGQOrANUjQLIPh9hw6HwWWrZpQWbFJ0mKdDvWtr0KCt 9LlxgBQ1nmG2H5e+X1OowLlZzj5nhPUbzjdUhbqp7IURRL2Z8VyOCRQX7PsxKAQUYcO8DnhWJ8la2 BNZi58AMOAYAfTuip4T1gYeVQ1ZaeRDf0c6605gnYyQkLk80deQTcGQ08+V1dPruOn6CvwcAbQr4e gKNy5F0OL8arJQVwACwmUFpsiXRzHkNM3mSvQb73nVX2ycNk0t+aIb2MFJ2Ok44UQEWskYM6WEz21 /6F2A81bssEYlsJ3uLnDSQ==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohIPw-0008J7-2h; Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:36 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Mon, 03 Oct 2022 05:38:02 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:36 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how many more > > barely-used scripts will it adopt? How many more has it already > > adopted? > That is not our question to answer. They are questions about the future, so we cannot look for answers today. 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The code is already implemented i.e. the foundations to support these scripts are already there, someone just needs to take their time and extend this support to a specific script, and I am doing exactly that. This is nothing more than some grunt work. This is what a typical patch for adding a script in Emacs looks like: 1. A one line entry in etc/NEWS announcing the support of the script and its language environment. 2. A one line greeting in the language/script which is added in etc/HELLO (optional) 3. A one line entry in script-representative-chars in lisp/international/fontset.el so that Emacs can select an appropriate font for it. 4. Adding the script name in setup-default-fontset in lisp/international/fontset.el 5. Defining a language environment for the script in the lisp/language/*.el files which includes the following entries: its charset (usually unicode), its coding-system (usually utf-8), its coding-priority (usually utf-8), its input-method, its sample text (the same text which is added in etc/HELLO), a one line documentation usually in the following template: "foo language and its script bar are supported in this language environment." 6. Adding composition rules for the script (optional, only needed for complex scripts) 7. Adding an input-method for the script in lisp/leim/quail/*.el files Adding one of these patches does not mean introducing any significant or breaking changes. All the heavy lifting functions or programs were implemented earlier. We already parse all of the information from unicode so Emacs knows about these characters, composite.el and harfbuzz take care of composition and quail takes care of input-methods. The average size of my patches appears to be around 126 lines with the input method and 36 lines without the input-method, which is a given since input method is needed to be defined for nearly every key on the keyboard. I have added around 27 scripts since May of this year. My point is that when Unicode incorporates scripts that aren't and > never were used very much, and were developed for PR motives, > incorporation into Unicode is not by itself a reason to add support > into Emacs > These scripts were not developed for "PR motives", they were developed to serve the needs of the community. For example this what was said by the inventor of the Wancho script[1] > "I found out that it was not possible to translate the language as it did > not capture all of its sounds. So I started researching on phonetics of the > language," Losu said. > It is necessary for Unicode to support them because this is not the age of pen and paper where the only thing limiting you to write any script for communication is... you. For computers this is not possible therefore efforts should be made to rectify this both at the Unicode level and the application level. I don't speak either Urdu or Hindi, but I've read that Urdu has a lot > of vocabulary derived from Persian or Arabic. With such a difference, > they are not "virtually the same." > Urdu and Hindi have virtually the same grammar, having some different vocabulary does not make it a different language. Hindi and Urdu are regarded as two different registers of the same language. see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindustani_language [1] https://www.indiatoday.in/education-today/news/story/this-arunachal-student-worked-for-over-12-years-to-create-a-new-alphabet-for-a-dying-ancient-tribal-language-1597122-2019-09-09 On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 4:05 AM Richard Stallman wrote: > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how many more > > > barely-used scripts will it adopt? How many more has it already > > > adopted? > > > That is not our question to answer. > > They are questions about the future, so we cannot look for answers > today. But they do affect what our attitude towards Unicode should > be. > > > -- > Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) > Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) > Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) > Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) > > > --00000000000076174905ea8fb054 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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well as code to implement it.
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Can you elaborate on what changes are needed= in which manual?

The code is already implemented = i.e. the foundations to support these scripts are already there,
= someone just needs to take their time and extend this support to a specific= script, and I am doing
exactly that. This is nothing more than s= ome grunt work.

This is what a typical patch f= or adding a script in Emacs looks like:
1. A one line entry in et= c/NEWS announcing the support of the script and its language environment.
2. A one line greeting in the language/script which is added in et= c/HELLO (optional)
3. A one line entry in script-representative-c= hars in lisp/international/fontset.el so that Emacs can select an appropria= te font for it.
4. Adding the script name in setup-default-fontse= t in lisp/international/fontset.el
5. Defining a language environ= ment for the script in the lisp/language/*.el files which includes the foll= owing entries:
its charset (usually unicode), its coding-system (= usually utf-8), its coding-priority (usually utf-8), its input-method, its = sample text (the same text which is added in etc/HELLO),
a one li= ne documentation usually in the following template: "foo language and = its script bar are supported in this language environment."
= 6. Adding composition rules for the script (optional, only needed for compl= ex scripts)
7. Adding an input-method for the script in lisp/= leim/quail/*.el files

Adding one of these patches = does not mean introducing any significant or breaking changes.
Al= l the heavy lifting functions or programs were implemented earlier.
We already parse all of the information from unicode so Emacs knows abou= t these characters,
composite.el and harfbuzz take care of co= mposition and quail takes care of input-methods.

T= he average size of my patches appears to be around 126 lines with the input= method and 36 lines without the input-method,
which is a given s= ince input method is needed to be defined for nearly every key on the keybo= ard.
I have added around 27 scripts since May of this year.
=

My po= int is that when Unicode incorporates scripts that aren't and
never were used very much, and were developed for PR motives,
incorporation into Unicode is not by itself a reason to add support
into Emacs

These scripts were not dev= eloped for "PR motives", they were developed to serve the needs o= f the community.
For example this what was said by the invent= or of the Wancho script[1]
"I found out that it was not possible to translate the lan= guage as it=20 did not capture all of its sounds. So I started researching on phonetics of the language," Losu said.

It= is necessary for Unicode to support them because this is not the age of pe= n and paper where the only thing limiting you to write any script for commu= nication is... you.
For computers this is not possible therefore = efforts should be made to rectify this both at the Unicode level and the ap= plication level.

I don't speak either Urdu or Hindi, but I've read = that Urdu has a lot
of vocabulary derived from Persian or Arabic.=C2=A0 With such a difference,=
they are not "virtually the same."

Urdu and Hindi have virtually the same grammar, having some differe= nt vocabulary does not make it
a different language. Hindi and Ur= du are regarded as two different registers of the same language.


On Sun, Oct 9, 2022 at 4:05 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:
[[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my e= mail: please consider=C2=A0 =C2=A0 ]]]
[[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies,=C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0]]]
[[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]]<= br>
=C2=A0 > > But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how man= y more
=C2=A0 > > barely-used scripts will it adopt?=C2=A0 How many more has= it already
=C2=A0 > > adopted?

=C2=A0 > That is not our question to answer.

They are questions about the future, so we cannot look for answers
today.=C2=A0 But they do affect what our attitude towards Unicode should be.


--
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Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org)
Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org)
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--00000000000076174905ea8fb054-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Oct 09 00:22:32 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Oct 2022 04:22:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ohNpg-0004uB-5D for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2022 00:22:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35360) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ohNpa-0004tv-Hl for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Oct 2022 00:22:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48248) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohNpV-0008Sk-7l; Sun, 09 Oct 2022 00:22:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=OTwbvQTGFcX/lBVWNpjIsBDz2sIy4tsrnBCx31xloVA=; b=hdwuW3DoZCzV fdqBJFx90kYGT5jX1EYGq12n/0NxJfWrkUm0lWn+mymhro+fSDy2v9QZEyGO7CvluznaxjwgMtKGB +TIUF1reKF6AmmYNkdx24Xsv69Df+io2oaCxyvwthQdsibzKV4jnIoqiePSdxBXl/7ezEXLP91U3S +t5C015LIZz+xMbCTybJaXsAZp01TongyAo4xUCqAkh3XPEZVEreWDxYhzFd1RljTmsD9pR7xFVw7 6xa0aBh95ig6wcxrtN/Hmo7Ze5gcbPWdjP7EMAu2M5COCvdwDMYePgZT8P0GA+vdX2JqiK0po/nsB juVyJNh4hnZ7kypbbq/Lvw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1539 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ohNpT-0005Mz-R0; Sun, 09 Oct 2022 00:22:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 09 Oct 2022 07:22:22 +0300 Message-Id: <83leppk4n5.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:36 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 08 Oct 2022 18:35:36 -0400 > > > > But if Unicode is inclined to do things like this, how many more > > > barely-used scripts will it adopt? How many more has it already > > > adopted? > > > That is not our question to answer. > > They are questions about the future, so we cannot look for answers > today. But they do affect what our attitude towards Unicode should > be. Emacs supports all the characters defined by Unicode. This design is from Emacs 23 onwards. So any characters Unicode adds will be supported by Emacs as soon as we import the latest character database. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 14 17:24:56 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2022 21:24:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38816 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojSAp-0000E2-V9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37054) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojSAo-0000Dg-1p for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:55 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49330) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojSAi-0006Fy-SI; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:48 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=Date:References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From: mime-version; bh=5+zki5jRU1/VmzOHzDmkhyrWDvWJJx045K7N8Lx/qrU=; b=bKO3Ns5K7Nrn pMLGl554gguABGEYuyDiTgJfyxTNPXZ4JfEOZOjaKw3yw42UnbmNkY2ggNKZmkD42+03bensIS9aj F8Iw1Vau2ghWA7T9tYSxTpKqjXlxRtY46d7MbdK4f9/jbGehO00oFTvoXlmQwgVW+EpMNs/xsSG1Q CA7kRJveEuBRTuDboArxIMNoR4rdAajqnV31jfBlSrRkqoB0a5lw8s55ZLFfCcm2EZciUFz/p8M2C yaN1/FS0D0UK15QWQLY5ZQEv6hA3VofBPYB2as73JYgBlpt2wfPPCvwZlef2+Klnk0nhS6IuafClj UOPw4a1ph2/PPsdgBlx5zA==; Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojSAi-0000wQ-7U; Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:48 -0400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0_=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=BF?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9_Sameer_Singh?= In-Reply-To: (message from =?iso-8859-1?Q?=E0=A4=B8=E0=A4=AE=E0=A5=80=E0=A4=B0_=E0=A4?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?=B8=E0=A4=BF=E0=A4=82=E0=A4=B9?= Sameer Singh on Sun, 9 Oct 2022 06:38:53 +0530) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> Message-Id: Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:48 -0400 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Reply-To: rms@gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > Can you elaborate on what changes are needed in which manual? I don't know, but normally every new addition calls for documentation somewhere. > This is what a typical patch for adding a script in Emacs looks like: > 1. A one line entry in etc/NEWS announcing the support of the script and > its language environment. > 2. A one line greeting in the language/script which is added in etc/HELLO > (optional) > 3. A one line entry in script-representative-chars in > lisp/international/fontset.el so that Emacs can select an appropriate font > for it. > 4. Adding the script name in setup-default-fontset in > lisp/international/fontset.el > 5. Defining a language environment for the script in the lisp/language/*.el > files which includes the following entries: > its charset (usually unicode), its coding-system (usually utf-8), its > coding-priority (usually utf-8), its input-method, its sample text (the > same text which is added in etc/HELLO), > a one line documentation usually in the following template: "foo language > and its script bar are supported in this language environment." > 6. Adding composition rules for the script (optional, only needed for > complex scripts) > 7. Adding an input-method for the script in lisp/leim/quail/*.el files That looks like nontrivial work to add each script. Not a big job, but not minimal either. For a script that users actually want, it is work worth doing. For a script that we support only because some bureaucrats decided to include it in Unicode, is it worth that much? > These scripts were not developed for "PR motives", they were developed to > serve the needs of the community. What I've read suggests the opposite. I am not convinced that the community experienced or experiences such linguistic "needs". It looks like some activists in that community decided that using their own script would help them get political benefits, so they push for its adoption. What we know about this is sketchy. (I could see only fragments of the article you pointed at -- I suspect nonfree JS blocks the rest.) If the speakers of a language are really using a script, I am in favor of supporting it. > It is necessary for Unicode to support them because this is not the age of > pen and paper where the only thing limiting you to write any script for > communication is... you. I don't subscribe to the idea that we Emacs developers _must_ support every script that a minority of some speecdh community campaigns to switch to. That is dogmatic, and it could impose an unlimited burden on us. If every endangered language gets its own script, that could be almost 200 more scripts coming from India alone. I am in favor of preserving endangered languages, but that doesn't usually require inventing a new script for each one. For instance, speakers of 22 Maya languages got together and established a rather natural convention for writing them in the Latin alphabet. The convention states how to express each sound used in any of those languages. You can find it in Maya Languages in Wikipedia. -- Dr Richard Stallman (https://stallman.org) Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 15 02:35:49 2022 Received: (at 58159) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2022 06:35:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39275 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojalx-0000fB-BY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 02:35:49 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:43056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1ojalv-0000ew-Kx for 58159@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 02:35:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56000) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojalq-0002dZ-9V; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 02:35:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=2Oa9JCvJwgvj5Wskg7/owqsLIjVcSBhMdsqB+Rozzy4=; b=PeVYlU0gZlzr NCTGlqU8cgkMn0ayV5wBHpEdXHQ8DqUPXDL6ZcywLbZJE4z595Ap9AGbsZHI4u0ua63wfxTQfIIa5 OgQzU9BdnhsZ8BFeV2cr4SfY4VVkoo5gXsYmTGQR9+g5sEvdmovgE90bISgTUZhlwqLJ0jYQ/x+9A ZMtaTATnWX8Mdbf0fHGMWyKG0qllF/Eg+k8Wbm90nXmCgi2e0Fpnd7v4VWwz6oTEiEq2j6h1qPFTC Keu4odqVho75nHG5t+H1OIM/g5afIPg3muYuexwgvvQU4T/uU1Y93DTD4G7HOhMF8PvVLorPVlL7r f5A89Gcp+DylJr132cnqbQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1802 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ojalp-0001p1-B9; Sat, 15 Oct 2022 02:35:41 -0400 Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:35:30 +0300 Message-Id: <83r0z97fwt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii To: rms@gnu.org In-Reply-To: (message from Richard Stallman on Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:48 -0400) Subject: Re: bug#58159: [PATCH] Add support for the Wancho script References: <83bkqtzl6d.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58159 Cc: lumarzeli30@gmail.com, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Richard Stallman > Cc: eliz@gnu.org, 58159@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:24:48 -0400 > > > This is what a typical patch for adding a script in Emacs looks like: > > 1. A one line entry in etc/NEWS announcing the support of the script and > > its language environment. > > 2. A one line greeting in the language/script which is added in etc/HELLO > > (optional) > > 3. A one line entry in script-representative-chars in > > lisp/international/fontset.el so that Emacs can select an appropriate font > > for it. > > 4. Adding the script name in setup-default-fontset in > > lisp/international/fontset.el > > 5. Defining a language environment for the script in the lisp/language/*.el > > files which includes the following entries: > > its charset (usually unicode), its coding-system (usually utf-8), its > > coding-priority (usually utf-8), its input-method, its sample text (the > > same text which is added in etc/HELLO), > > a one line documentation usually in the following template: "foo language > > and its script bar are supported in this language environment." > > 6. Adding composition rules for the script (optional, only needed for > > complex scripts) > > 7. Adding an input-method for the script in lisp/leim/quail/*.el files > > That looks like nontrivial work to add each script. > Not a big job, but not minimal either. Only the two last items are nontrivial. And item 6 is only necessary for some scripts. All the rest is basically trivial boilerplate. > For a script that users actually want, it is work worth doing. > For a script that we support only because some bureaucrats > decided to include it in Unicode, is it worth that much? We cannot control which itches our contributors want to scratch. Letting them scratch their itches is an important aspect of being able to keep them contributing to Emacs in all other areas. This particular itch is useful to Emacs, so I see no reason to object their scratching it. 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