From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Sean Whitton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.166439536532695 (code B ref -1); Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:03:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2022 20:02:45 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34796 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oddGX-0008VG-ET for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:02:45 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:54410) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oddGV-0008V9-KN for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; 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Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 927377E1C00; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:02:31 -0700 (MST) From: Sean Whitton Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:02:31 -0700 Message-ID: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=64.147.123.24; envelope-from=spwhitton@spwhitton.name; helo=wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.8 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) Hello, In a Gnus summary buffer, there is a toolbar button "Reply And Yank". It should be labelled "Reply and Yank" (or "Reply and yank"). The call to upcase-initials in parse_tool_bar_item in keyboard.c is responsible. How about adding an exception for the word "and"? It's pretty jarring to see on the toolbar. -- Sean Whitton From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Sean Whitton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.16643975443906 (code B ref 58150); Wed, 28 Sep 2022 20:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2022 20:39:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34876 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oddpf-00010r-Rs for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:39:04 -0400 Received: from wout1-smtp.messagingengine.com ([64.147.123.24]:59787) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oddpc-0000zs-R8 for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:39:02 -0400 Received: from compute2.internal (compute2.nyi.internal [10.202.2.46]) by mailout.west.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8735432003F4 for <58150@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:38:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend2 ([10.202.2.163]) by compute2.internal (MEProxy); Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:38:52 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to :message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject :subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1664397532; x=1664483932; bh=P7E6+5qDIg MiZwJ1nrhgm/TMJonR40CNXpfjyLAIlGs=; b=H+SZ22v0GXKRxBm9USMe7XQf0j NhT6xOnHOgk1w6NNKTWjCE2LFyGhjD1tvV5hHhvu9DQEX8TCKc/Qa+KynY5SeWIj b7mCP9K+jmZYaMlICg8LZPgB8J8x25q1rTZocApGPBKwO25h1ewqwoFRJar+Ho0x fY4xt9ArC9VOz6jSdbj8OykJg8HL5yDyQ4qXSva6D/MMdyVT5TM81mkxZXECI8qj weXll6K6n+ljxfpWdGjkHawX84GNlrGB1fQ1BT9R0XupM6d/4wE9MENFrV7tptRT CPPSSkk2HlE0Yl3KpjZAOIvEBukirNOgZf2uvYpKpkZ6fUxgj3tUJpqI/zyA== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1664397532; x=1664483932; bh=P7E6+5qDIgMiZwJ1nrhgm/TMJonR 40CNXpfjyLAIlGs=; b=AxIHYqo1ISJB0qjHiQz4IyHmyOYZPXlWHH+Q0yb0fGfn 3jzBGRkwby+EMjN6Q99P7AofFPJNqepyDIBdBfZodm7AfPUPMVoBxFgkV3dnSECk zrPGN8VCYi3uO9ti+nIXDVMoEjW9kfqOj6rO/xhq3HoxgQnqo5zle47iee1OhfTC j1hgz5T2/HTLEf32JToKFU+oiz4K92jCT0In3FrWaUUltX3VMHpgngLaUbVhOrdY /a4YyEnRvB0tDcolENgxBrHrWmbl6f6PDyxHJ9nE10kWBk04dWMqaI/PHHO5SVa6 CAUS6GLyftRkJ8ivxKLSj+kSjjct4WTp+fYyMoMBfA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrfeegkedgudehhecutefuodetggdotefrod ftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfhrghsthforghilhdpqfgfvfdpuffrtefokffrpgfnqfgh necuuegrihhlohhuthemuceftddtnecunecujfgurhephffvufgjfhffkfgfgggtsehttd dttddtredtnecuhfhrohhmpefuvggrnhcuhghhihhtthhonhcuoehsphifhhhithhtohhn sehsphifhhhithhtohhnrdhnrghmvgeqnecuggftrfgrthhtvghrnhepffeutedtfedvtd etvefgueefjefggedugfefuddtgeefteekheduvdefjeejieefnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfu ihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehmrghilhhfrhhomhepshhpfihhihhtthhonhesshhpfi hhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgv X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i23c04076:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA for <58150@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 16:38:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 0276F7E1D90; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:38:50 -0700 (MST) From: Sean Whitton In-Reply-To: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:02:31 -0700") References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:38:50 -0700 Message-ID: <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hello, On Wed 28 Sep 2022 at 01:02PM -07, Sean Whitton wrote: > In a Gnus summary buffer, there is a toolbar button "Reply And Yank". > > It should be labelled "Reply and Yank" (or "Reply and yank"). > > The call to upcase-initials in parse_tool_bar_item in keyboard.c is > responsible. How about adding an exception for the word "and"? It's > pretty jarring to see on the toolbar. There is also "Edit From Gnus" which should be "Exit from Gnus". One possibility is a defcustom to only upcase the very first character. Maybe it should even be t by default: this will produce more correct results than the current scheme. -- Sean Whitton From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sean Whitton Cc: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.166444933410667 (code B ref 58150); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 11:03:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 11:02:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36295 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odrJ0-0002ly-75 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 07:02:14 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:44250) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odrIx-0002ld-M6 for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 07:02:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pEDCY61QjhBXSFvi9kiMRfFfO4Axuamfg096Q1sLlSs=; b=Dkv2COAIHGE1joJVoQ9pkJ5dTp +tR7QCn6pS8Ke63L8RZvdowoAnVtKOFPaZtk/pVA0WwewjIp2YPPm84Bluc6avwFnIyRHDfhGiHR6 lUArlksngVws3CSrvA52xIaN5Z2MTP1TY9JNivtjl/xgob+L8lPGajRRPLCgpeoKMQOU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1odrIo-0005QC-1b; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:02:04 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> (Sean Whitton's message of "Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:38:50 -0700") References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> X-Now-Playing: New Order's _Power, Corruption & Lies_: "Ecstasy" Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:02:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Sean Whitton writes: > One possibility is a defcustom to only upcase the very first character. > Maybe it should even be t by default: this will produce more correct > results than the current scheme. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Sean Whitton writes: > One possibility is a defcustom to only upcase the very first character. > Maybe it should even be t by default: this will produce more correct > results than the current scheme. I think the upcasing should be removed, and the tool bar labels should be capitalised properly to begin with. That requires somebody to do a review of this first, and fix the tool bar definitions, though. Like: (define-key map [isearch-occur] (list 'menu-item "Show hits" 'isearch-occur :help "Show each search hit" :image '(isearch-tool-bar-image "index"))) Should be "Show Hits" etc. Otherwise somebody could, of course, just write a function that capitalises titles correctly according to one or other of the English title capitalisation standards -- which isn't difficult, and would be generally useful. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:59:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org, spwhitton@spwhitton.name Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.166445632715379 (code B ref 58150); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 12:59:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 12:58:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odt7n-0003zz-0u for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:58:47 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39092) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odt7i-0003zi-SD for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:58:45 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:40314) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odt7c-0006X6-8e; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:58:37 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=KvNVYAVYZ8jw5Q/LRYpgmnes/HiXRntvJryD1YfCNNM=; b=EcDpdZM5+JP9 hX1b+YEPh1bNDmNHoaDOW7k+L2NjW8/F2n4xXgSpVE83jGCMpwX9+XTYpmeBvVAKzi9n0WzTw3U4P Tslt8A0i7pRUn2SHWjLzAARQwtns4S4QZHEH7/Uq4BzXK9Ts3qXj08kQMmJTgE1qR3qTTuc1dMcow PpxVO8O6H/Ug3Ynt7upa14C6CCmpbcvW4Ksom6JQjgO2dolNSNXC2XjpVPF7mVxO0xIhOGJ/vp4bA VpoGjvezYOF7ngqvt8xqLiJdCsH55D8TMHWFRtZDbul+7dgeN0DNS/J90k4OT0GaINGP3IWCaii8X yYqqmURahp7SOfMxPOVIAQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3052 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odt7Y-00060W-SG; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 08:58:34 -0400 Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:58:27 +0300 Message-Id: <83v8p6fibw.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:02:01 +0200) References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:02:01 +0200 > > Sean Whitton writes: > > > One possibility is a defcustom to only upcase the very first character. > > Maybe it should even be t by default: this will produce more correct > > results than the current scheme. > > I think the upcasing should be removed, and the tool bar labels should > be capitalised properly to begin with. Isn't the capitalizing for the likes of tool-bar-add-item-from-menu, where the symbols are commands that aren't capitalized? From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Sean Whitton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 22:44:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.166449141611355 (code B ref 58150); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 22:44:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 22:43:36 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39884 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2Fg-0002x1-Qg for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:43:36 -0400 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:58535) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2Ff-0002wp-1g for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:43:31 -0400 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEFA75C0036; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:43:25 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1664491405; x=1664577805; bh=A8 FCDej0GuQSTMpnPB/NRKvykIOxRD+NfAE3tpMUsKY=; b=pZNoI4U/KQDSToriol 2qFWzDHr5QY/WDB07WSZW2E7YLkwYAEtnqy0E1AXVmJyKtKNyt8LIME1s4SUE89d +pWWFLD83tuxWC0F00E06Jj4at7/xo5ksJTUB3JiCWH222fU4G2anJ0A8gW117kc R0nUgBSQonqnGCJVJNle1mtHu9vx2x2KEwEqMUy0EtxYyQlQ7uw9Iz8rn7Q6y/24 mZGrOfGbkBRYhDcxuEHwcd83JgwyZr5GZXHHNz/E77wNf5U/Xwa1L9tw9ohf+x6J c7GfE8sO4YRN7wKSJSK7n8y96cyeoFAj4DD5mOle9wZgp3ihwD9Bic8+xq9VHt37 GLiw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1664491405; x=1664577805; bh=A8FCDej0GuQSTMpnPB/NRKvykIOx RD+NfAE3tpMUsKY=; b=BKVXaWhCJMWyVsO7gzkVOPied8ZrLYwOGSl5IC4L5+34 fYJEeu0PLGRdioqdsdRVbMApu9Deg7MYcpABuvwikAfn2jz67gN+CVlMFLnry7oS qRHwX3NNmY3XjW2G1qNZw9l1h6/JRuB6xXLW/qJe5rZ6wKyQW7ydfGNlxPokOMwM NvLME6BSSqTHeNQAVQMx2hiMUhO9qq08T4N2YqUD8dltJIP+tq7mP9vmDXIPJlmk mw9xeh/8UZAhdPHLg0TovT74iBzK4ttWq6gwoEJmAq+6HG4V0CXGyuNbagBB0zxK QT8GMRjGEP3FGjFqmi63h1VF5VQY3Wew7GtFhc6kMQ== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrfeehuddguddvucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvvefujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepufgvrghn ucghhhhithhtohhnuceoshhpfihhihhtthhonhesshhpfihhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgvqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedtffdvffeuleeuvdetkedvveehgfehvdegvefghfevudek geegleevgeejkeetkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrih hlfhhrohhmpehsphifhhhithhtohhnsehsphifhhhithhtohhnrdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i23c04076:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 18:43:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 34C217E36F7; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:43:24 -0700 (MST) From: Sean Whitton In-Reply-To: <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 13:02:01 +0200") References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:43:24 -0700 Message-ID: <87y1u1ls37.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hello, On Thu 29 Sep 2022 at 01:02PM +02, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: > Sean Whitton writes: > >> One possibility is a defcustom to only upcase the very first character. >> Maybe it should even be t by default: this will produce more correct >> results than the current scheme. > > I think the upcasing should be removed, and the tool bar labels should > be capitalised properly to begin with. That requires somebody to do a > review of this first, and fix the tool bar definitions, though. Like: > > (define-key map [isearch-occur] > (list 'menu-item "Show hits" 'isearch-occur > :help "Show each search hit" > :image '(isearch-tool-bar-image "index"))) > > Should be "Show Hits" etc. > > Otherwise somebody could, of course, just write a function that > capitalises titles correctly according to one or other of the English > title capitalisation standards -- which isn't difficult, and would be > generally useful. I'm not sure it's so simple, actually, and I think your first suggestion is preferable. For example, "Go To Node" in the Info toolbar is probably correct, because it's a whole phrasal verb, but in other contexts, "to" in titles isn't capitalised. -- Sean Whitton From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Gregory Heytings Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:02:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Sean Whitton Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 58150@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.166449246313192 (code B ref 58150); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:02:02 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 23:01:03 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39893 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2Wd-0003Qi-08 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:01:03 -0400 Received: from heytings.org ([95.142.160.155]:35702) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2WY-0003Q6-RW for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:01:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=heytings.org; s=20220101; t=1664492457; bh=TeFgG+bhMuHH8hAuJaWT1Yfsfx61Ei0jLC0NjftPa0s=; h=Date:From:To:cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:Message-ID:References:From; b=V4vCPlQiOl4ZmKD4CCGx4e7Qos0FOsFihlUVNGhvGGsRMHB0nV6IZZpR6Mpc64CqO t+gNLBWWOkXJYiwjEQT8/SE/jygHCXLXOyI9wqK2EfafA6JEC22UIpiTdo9fxH8r4b aMWo7uTOPfURb50DR7iNYWbZNhWbn02t7DnBT/+fVWQ81WmtQ5/YOD3LXrRC8R2MXw b8iFVBd3Mgva0e1diK/ikqeK1xgi8oBTR336M28fAH0pqkCRKBZOF6JySsZmYBjdQ4 5w/ag+2EuJwEvW5rS22K4coxbS7Br2X8naoWQt/URfpmW8BHTdald5ZFX++xUnQ8Ni XOGH6+Wb7Gd6g== Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:00:56 +0000 From: Gregory Heytings In-Reply-To: <87y1u1ls37.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> Message-ID: <9f70d95aac6cec78b167@heytings.org> References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1u1ls37.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> Otherwise somebody could, of course, just write a function that >> capitalises titles correctly according to one or other of the English >> title capitalisation standards -- which isn't difficult, and would be >> generally useful. > > I'm not sure it's so simple, actually, and I think your first suggestion > is preferable. For example, "Go To Node" in the Info toolbar is > probably correct, because it's a whole phrasal verb, but in other > contexts, "to" in titles isn't capitalised. > Indeed, it's not easy, and can probably not be mechanized, because whether a word should be capitalized or not may depend on its semantics. The CMOS gives the following rules (I removed some parts that are not important in the context of Emacs): 1. Capitalize the first and last words in titles and subtitles, and capitalize all other major words (nouns, pronouns, verbs, adjectives, adverbs, and some conjunctions---but see rule 4) . 2. Lowercase the articles _the_, _a_, and _an_. 3. Lowercase prepositions, regardless of length, except when they are used adverbially or adjectivally (_up_ in _Look Up_, _down_ in _Turn Down_, _on_ in _The On Button_, _to_ in _Come To_, etc.). 4. Lowercase the common coordinating conjunctions _and_, _but_, _for_, _or_, and _nor_. 5. Lowercase _to_ not only as a preposition (rule 3) but also as part of an infinitive (_to Run_, _to Hide_, etc.), and lowercase _as_ in any grammatical function. From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Sean Whitton Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:10:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Gregory Heytings Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 58150@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.166449298613980 (code B ref 58150); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:10:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Sep 2022 23:09:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39899 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2f4-0003dP-2P for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:09:46 -0400 Received: from out4-smtp.messagingengine.com ([66.111.4.28]:37933) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oe2f2-0003dB-A1 for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:09:45 -0400 Received: from compute3.internal (compute3.nyi.internal [10.202.2.43]) by mailout.nyi.internal (Postfix) with ESMTP id F19CA5C00D0; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailfrontend1 ([10.202.2.162]) by compute3.internal (MEProxy); Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:09:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=spwhitton.name; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:from:from:in-reply-to :in-reply-to:message-id:mime-version:references:reply-to:sender :subject:subject:to:to; s=fm1; t=1664492978; x=1664579378; bh=eK TfgNmoZNuQFdEsgonXxadWF1A+Hf6EBGeaMhxkL2w=; b=p21N0GA2m5EX7Hrf1s UsbrRtKKJfX7dZWd5eqrqWuvkmIHUlccbDG5EX0Pj7MG6xasEHbyFykJ3J443zan v0bAdofJXeWqjNhKiFRWdpzADPsTDgF1cljMBIjGj271oCm1eh+N1DonHVxfSUOo DlIqHmlsxjFIQHRll4Ytx24B2J65Km3SzwzGBpPItQhcjDNUh7z/D2j7/poJ0Io1 9wMSNcWucZrGOOQW/p7A4rbV8k1YhCCHCvErFD1oCe/ZRfuFAb1d16Cj/Xko4p/A 7scLLt/ZAjWsZWvNgOmUu1F9Lqu2+Z+rUue1saPJD8m2JCPFc7KqZRt4LDxAcWX+ qhkg== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d= messagingengine.com; h=cc:cc:content-type:date:date:feedback-id :feedback-id:from:from:in-reply-to:in-reply-to:message-id :mime-version:references:reply-to:sender:subject:subject:to:to :x-me-proxy:x-me-proxy:x-me-sender:x-me-sender:x-sasl-enc; s= fm2; t=1664492978; x=1664579378; bh=eKTfgNmoZNuQFdEsgonXxadWF1A+ Hf6EBGeaMhxkL2w=; b=RP9Yb/wULMZqt0inXd0OLjDLFBeyCEwylWc445JuAg7S yVrkWvM+MfY8+a+6wS1FmsGg+5k+WGD/ddcoMhmFbrdEe1u6NgDlotxsGJkQdCZZ 1mPm8P66uWs8f8mbmybSAoBKFLy5dl6k+1H3b80Ox8CqWQ+1/yyVImJS1Kk1L9ck pV2Zwv3Q6cMbkApEtMCgAehVPGcOa+hb1mSDN5YcKRCxIkTwgmY/zyn3HC6B/hzP TyxVLl3P+1JdqnnOeysMbech3jRyXCUdXegJraxv8zx2HsN8u9PFFwun04o/i1kq bUoZpD2VW0CnDiU4VpSEPJ2cu9V8TVxqQnbEpFA1qA== X-ME-Sender: X-ME-Received: X-ME-Proxy-Cause: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedvfedrfeehuddgudejucetufdoteggodetrfdotf fvucfrrhhofhhilhgvmecuhfgrshhtofgrihhlpdfqfgfvpdfurfetoffkrfgpnffqhgen uceurghilhhouhhtmecufedttdenucesvcftvggtihhpihgvnhhtshculddquddttddmne cujfgurhephffvvefujghffffkfgggtgesthdttddttdertdenucfhrhhomhepufgvrghn ucghhhhithhtohhnuceoshhpfihhihhtthhonhesshhpfihhihhtthhonhdrnhgrmhgvqe enucggtffrrghtthgvrhhnpedtffdvffeuleeuvdetkedvveehgfehvdegvefghfevudek geegleevgeejkeetkeenucevlhhushhtvghrufhiiigvpedtnecurfgrrhgrmhepmhgrih hlfhhrohhmpehsphifhhhithhtohhnsehsphifhhhithhtohhnrdhnrghmvg X-ME-Proxy: Feedback-ID: i23c04076:Fastmail Received: by mail.messagingengine.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 19:09:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: by melete.silentflame.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A9E4B7E3BE2; Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:09:37 -0700 (MST) From: Sean Whitton In-Reply-To: <9f70d95aac6cec78b167@heytings.org> (Gregory Heytings's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 23:00:56 +0000") References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> <87y1u1ls37.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <9f70d95aac6cec78b167@heytings.org> Date: Thu, 29 Sep 2022 16:09:37 -0700 Message-ID: <87k05llqvi.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hello, On Thu 29 Sep 2022 at 11:00PM GMT, Gregory Heytings wrote: >>> Otherwise somebody could, of course, just write a function that capitalises >>> titles correctly according to one or other of the English title >>> capitalisation standards -- which isn't difficult, and would be generally >>> useful. >> >> I'm not sure it's so simple, actually, and I think your first suggestion is >> preferable. For example, "Go To Node" in the Info toolbar is probably >> correct, because it's a whole phrasal verb, but in other contexts, "to" in >> titles isn't capitalised. >> > > Indeed, it's not easy, and can probably not be mechanized, because whether a > word should be capitalized or not may depend on its semantics. The CMOS gives > the following rules (I removed some parts that are not important in the > context of Emacs): The way they are written, they're more like guidelines, not rules, which only proves the point, I suppose. Thanks for sharing these. -- Sean Whitton From unknown Sun Jun 15 08:52:54 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#58150: 29.0.50; parse_tool_bar_item should not usually upcase "and" Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 12:35:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 58150 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: 58150@debbugs.gnu.org, spwhitton@spwhitton.name Received: via spool by 58150-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B58150.16645412634597 (code B ref 58150); Fri, 30 Sep 2022 12:35:01 +0000 Received: (at 58150) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Sep 2022 12:34:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40693 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeFDi-0001C5-Ls for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:34:22 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:54406) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oeFDd-0001Bp-Sg for 58150@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 08:34:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=TQgLmUPMQwewzbykfcwrbd0ynrLSUKtLu1UPGuAvEXw=; b=m6ux9Z6B8C1fwY409j3e/xt4Pj BoK5ofn1QI0qjk+TrwbJ7m02c49vEkKCzKufuZqDMq2JzAM89w1xOphDo0wWVrx7LW3NnFjmpMzXz 7RcVuiBqp7DmcNAFcak9lV7Gf7yyZPSCPR1ugI8M5P96wDdvv/nF7boAE/NMu4LPQ+IQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=downe) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oeFDU-0008TW-As; Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:34:10 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <83v8p6fibw.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 29 Sep 2022 15:58:27 +0300") References: <87mtajqnc8.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87y1u3p739.fsf@melete.silentflame.com> <87bkqyiguu.fsf@gnus.org> <83v8p6fibw.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwAgMAAAAqbBEUAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAADFBMVEWSXDdcNCe1jF7/ ///HAJSWAAAAAWJLR0QDEQxM8gAAAAd0SU1FB+YJHgweHHhFihYAAAGnSURBVCjPLZIxa5tBDIZ1 RleCJ125CxntkKHkV0hwB+4mmdOHu3Xo1F8RQ7J7cPYE2iW/svpCtT3opOdFHFRUFTz/hLUokYlS fwbAgNpZsV7hEJAL3xUk3esGFO+6xuAhM0LpiYiUuXIskAzViHVdYCxUUxXYxWr7Mhe6JLlP0emF Ol7zeFil4xV+ZJAAQpBnxgB9jGWg3fAJMn9mqwkTeBRQzEjdQQlYezzrt8ePv//hNvPvj5d4lgCS Ttq+/cmfM2ZC27ZzRySIVHrT0J0GAauweQDAASZJt9XDbPDaYSiRu6pBmqnr8c09C4d04lzOw1EA Gh/bXPbDiRiyjObHvXutBcQ8+QyphHTY7O6bFRi8LP3YNs1r6ZFtmZt237woQrhGbbvsVTmCqsDT +/DODC9Wy/bj3f2mh3S2dNjV5idEyN9VcvJVmiBr9QeVhtoSLMZtL5rbiQRuXXqZMno9n6DVyyyO Nvc5QGcmW8p8qgrl5EVsQb2igrJksdui568FVCSVXM3qRcCGqmOd0yKbOceFx+TSXyA3KUwaB/X4 B5pNpEy2/Osf9DFx6iw7CogAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjItMDktMzBUMTI6MzA6Mjgr MDA6MDC6bhINAAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIyLTA5LTMwVDEyOjMwOjI4KzAwOjAwyzOq sQAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: Bhejane's _L'Esprit de Nyege 2020_: "Baba Ka Gal" Date: Fri, 30 Sep 2022 14:34:07 +0200 Message-ID: <87tu4p6ny8.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Isn't the capitalizing for the likes of tool-bar-add-item-from-menu, > where the symbols are commands that aren't capitalized? In that case, the code is wrong, because it capitalises also in the normal case (i.e., when not using tool-bar-add-item-from-menu). Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Isn't the capitalizing for the likes of tool-bar-add-item-from-menu, > where the symbols are commands that aren't capitalized? In that case, the code is wrong, because it capitalises also in the normal case (i.e., when not using tool-bar-add-item-from-menu). Perhaps that's the case, and people got used to it fixing all the names, and nobody noticed that stuff like (define-key map [isearch-occur] (list 'menu-item "Show hits" 'isearch-occur :help "Show each search hit" :image '(isearch-tool-bar-image "index"))) was wrong, because "Show hits" was never displayed "unfixed".