From unknown Sat Aug 09 04:56:36 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#58147 <58147@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#58147 <58147@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: FAAC considered nonfree by Debian and Parabola Reply-To: bug#58147 <58147@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2025 11:56:36 +0000 retitle 58147 FAAC considered nonfree by Debian and Parabola reassign 58147 guix submitter 58147 Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli severity 58147 normal thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 28 13:12:53 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2022 17:12:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:34477 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odac9-0005qQ-3x for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:12:53 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:38806) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odac6-0005qC-2F for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:12:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:60126) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odac2-00061V-Hc for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:12:47 -0400 Received: from cyberdimension.org ([2001:910:1314:ffff::1]:49424 helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_CHACHA20_POLY1305:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1odabz-0006GP-Oo for bug-guix@gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 13:12:45 -0400 Received: from gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5b4ce357 for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:10:32 +0000 (UTC) Received: from primary_laptop (localhost [::1]) by gnutoo.cyberdimension.org (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id fce7155c for ; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 17:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 19:12:04 +0200 From: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli To: bug-guix@gnu.org Subject: FAAC considered nonfree by Debian and Parabola Message-ID: <20220928191204.388f7411@primary_laptop> X-Mailer: Claws Mail 4.1.0 (GTK 3.24.30; i686-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="Sig_/73IOO5GRuIZVz=.Wr4GAiy5"; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; micalg=pgp-sha256 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:910:1314:ffff::1; envelope-from=GNUtoo@cyberdimension.org; helo=gnutoo.cyberdimension.org X-Spam_score_int: -18 X-Spam_score: -1.9 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.9 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) --Sig_/73IOO5GRuIZVz=.Wr4GAiy5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, The faac package is considered nonfree in Debian[1] and also in Parabola because according to the Parabola blacklist faac "is a GPL'ed package, but has non free code that can't be distributed under the GPL"[2]. The path chosen by Parabola (and probably most other FSDG compliant or 100% free distributions) was to make the packages not depend on faac.=20 A quick search in the Parabola packages list[3] can show some of the packages having been (re)built without faac support[4]. Reference: ---------- [1]https://packages.debian.org/bullseye/faac [2]https://git.parabola.nu/blacklist.git/tree/blacklist.txt#n104 [3]https://www.parabola.nu/packages/?sort=3D&arch=3Dx86_64&repo=3DLibre&q= =3Dfaac&maintainer=3D&flagged=3D [4]Parabola uses most Arch Linux packages as-is, and it excludes problematic packages and/or replaces problematic packages. This is why some of the replacement packages mention "without nonfree faac". 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[85.127.52.93]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m17-20020a50c191000000b00456f569f31dsm4012406edf.75.2022.09.28.12.22.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 28 Sep 2022 12:22:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8ae29a2b06f5f4b608d0a70cc3af2bb0932a5d03.camel@gmail.com> Subject: Re: FAAC considered nonfree by Debian and Parabola From: Liliana Marie Prikler To: Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , 58147@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 21:22:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20220928191204.388f7411@primary_laptop> References: <20220928191204.388f7411@primary_laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Evolution 3.46.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58147 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Mittwoch, dem 28.09.2022 um 19:12 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli: > Hi, >=20 > The faac package is considered nonfree in Debian[1] and also in > Parabola because according to the Parabola blacklist faac "is a > GPL'ed package, but has non free code that can't be distributed under > the GPL"[2]. >=20 > The path chosen by Parabola (and probably most other FSDG compliant > or 100% free distributions) was to make the packages not depend on > faac.=20 Assuming one can clearly point out the non-free sources, the Guix way would be removing those. If they can't easily be separated, then yeah, it has to go. > A quick search in the Parabola packages list[3] can show some of the > packages having been (re)built without faac support[4]. A list of packages relevant in Guix can be given using `guix refresh -l faac'. Cheers From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 28 18:42:59 2022 Received: (at 58147) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Sep 2022 22:42:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35156 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odfla-0000iB-Q2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:42:59 -0400 Received: from world.peace.net ([64.112.178.59]:54504) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1odflY-0000hs-O9 for 58147@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:42:57 -0400 Received: from mhw by world.peace.net with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1odflS-00047N-3x; Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:42:50 -0400 From: Mark H Weaver To: Liliana Marie Prikler , Denis 'GNUtoo' Carikli , 58147@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#58147: FAAC considered nonfree by Debian and Parabola In-Reply-To: <8ae29a2b06f5f4b608d0a70cc3af2bb0932a5d03.camel@gmail.com> References: <20220928191204.388f7411@primary_laptop> <8ae29a2b06f5f4b608d0a70cc3af2bb0932a5d03.camel@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2022 18:41:45 -0400 Message-ID: <87y1u386kb.fsf@netris.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 58147 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Liliana Marie Prikler writes: > Am Mittwoch, dem 28.09.2022 um 19:12 +0200 schrieb Denis 'GNUtoo' > Carikli: >> The path chosen by Parabola (and probably most other FSDG compliant >> or 100% free distributions) was to make the packages not depend on >> faac.=20 > Assuming one can clearly point out the non-free sources, the Guix way > would be removing those. If they can't easily be separated, then yeah, > it has to go. The details are documented here: Here's the relevant excerpt: --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8--- Files: libfaac/bitstream.* libfaac/channels.c libfaac/filtbank.c libfaac/tns.* Copyright: =C2=A9 1996-1997 License: other This software module was originally developed in the course of development of the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standard ISO/IEC 13818-7, 14496-1,2 and 3. This software module is an implementation of a part of one or more MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio tools as specified by the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standard. ISO/IEC gives users of the MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio standards free license to this software module or modifications thereof for use in hardware or software products claiming conformance to the MPEG-2 NBC/ MPEG-4 Audio standards. Those intending to use this software module in hardware or software products are advised that this use may infringe existing patents. The original developer of this software module and his/her company, the subsequent editors and their companies, and ISO/IEC have no liability for use of this software module or modifications thereof in an implementation. Copyright is not released for non MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio conforming products. The original developer retains full right to use the code for his/her own purpose, assign or donate the code to a third party and to inhibit third party from using the code for non MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio conforming products. This copyright notice must be included in all copies or derivative works. --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8--- I also confirmed by looking at the indicated source files in the result of "guix build -S faac". Not only do these copying permission notices fail to grant the freedoms required by the free software definition, but they explicitly say: "The original developer retains full right [...] to inhibit third party from using the code for non MPEG-2 NBC/MPEG-4 Audio conforming products." That clearly contradicts freedom 0. Based on the file names, I very much doubt that this library works at all without the nonfree source files. Therefore, we must remove the 'faac' package from Guix. Thanks, Mark --=20 Disinformation flourishes because many people care deeply about injustice but very few check the facts. Ask me about . 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