From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:03:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 57970@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.166374737317434 (code B ref -1); Wed, 21 Sep 2022 08:03:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2022 08:02:53 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60520 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oauh2-0004X7-T0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 04:02:53 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:43938) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oauh0-0004Wx-Jn for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 04:02:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:49242) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oauh0-0001pL-CN for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 04:02:50 -0400 Received: from mail-oa1-x35.google.com ([2001:4860:4864:20::35]:34593) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oaugy-0002bw-PQ for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 04:02:50 -0400 Received: by mail-oa1-x35.google.com with SMTP id 586e51a60fabf-1280590722dso7977798fac.1 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:02:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date; bh=WeR18RXc4x37TQF5+pw+TizTzjchm6Z//zE+MDhWQpE=; b=bFf3Snq/ZhPREztQuRCsyeJYg1ffEoWSU91IxxOTqlW6U3G3AMxOMUSxQg3h64KWyb z/+LYnT/1aCZ+iju7UiuVdb9EE3y41z2YBpOzPjxWFu6crtyggbxtgwlrjiGEeHFko0V sm0v2guMbeEnxhU45tjSPFivRaAhm6U2AMntN5ubrQMsRjOtdENLN/dNWrP7QYAtuP2+ R6y0kjZYDfviGO2S/Fq5B5pDWzcedDBaEWOJsf2r91i41Zfvz3kgF/7zCQJNseuj2m7m evxElA6Qz2XEPdbqUvhn5ifmaB0blaCMJRGsS2NC7kHDAmCqge348XkiezGGuSGl+eqc uieQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=WeR18RXc4x37TQF5+pw+TizTzjchm6Z//zE+MDhWQpE=; b=yopXM0rj6ZydaIKCIu2+ZpVX6uIMFC8fWXbEkakuP4KY96mV1Zm0LAewannmPImlGS fcJd1/KZs1FuIhO7YcamSuyNc17znWmCWtasrvm4po9hQj7w3So7JGWVO3bz0PsTFJ9m ebLi7mF22EzIT5avNf0z2g6JMhmaspTnbb9p1VVdMI4h4rDAB93VsZF/aC5LX/hmnkkd lPx1hulDuynVt/LrNy3GdzjwEDNDiP1fISsEln/+lE4RKK4nwmWIePEsWIvOkocWIDEM IKhAvBLReecgA8c76Rk89o4eUKvs3BTyOXvAkhXDUnvygtxGoEtaOG69o/JBLrPXkie/ 0IUg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf2yiDAeY8ebbw9ei0ZsMi/qCXj07/qieN63EAa3+7jVKe8fXvM0 W7rQqgipaVl5bxawkm1wS4bWbazdATZv5DPQwIcNCmeK X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM7BmZS/DlSIZvkR/cn/Op/kTvP0ftlEKvIM9StdZKzPZ5R5Hii8sN+PbsYdt3QlXB9H9Q680pGcOxhtedoN//o= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6870:46a6:b0:12d:130c:2fd5 with SMTP id a38-20020a05687046a600b0012d130c2fd5mr4178625oap.92.1663747367542; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:02:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:02:47 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:02:47 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2001:4860:4864:20::35; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-oa1-x35.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Severity: wishlist The options from pixel-scroll.el are in the `mouse' and `scrolling' groups now. Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:49:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 57970@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57970-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57970.166376088210989 (code B ref 57970); Wed, 21 Sep 2022 11:49:01 +0000 Received: (at 57970) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Sep 2022 11:48:02 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60962 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oayCw-0002r7-31 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 07:48:02 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:36920) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oayCt-0002qO-Po for 57970@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 07:48:00 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=jkhQe55RSzfexmpvT/I9IFEVXv9/sHOQJx0Sn5Qu5b4=; b=MoV5UUtE9Adw75QyUgHjxRAy83 407j+KvY4D3kWmFB3scS1FhHnPTyFAbQuLH23ZhChp6mx4iT3uWE54TRHWvKut9u1WHeukmQRV2O/ oNMK4QO4gOuww7haYQ1X85PrP16hVbLm8nfqJcG2GD375pARJCbqNno3FGPrAjI+jZik=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oayCl-0004dh-UE; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:47:53 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2022 01:02:47 -0700") References: X-Now-Playing: Niki Mono's _Contradictions are a Luxury_: "Thewitchesrevenge" Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:47:49 +0200 Message-ID: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > The options from pixel-scroll.el are in the `mouse' and `scrolling' > groups now. Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think > we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > The options from pixel-scroll.el are in the `mouse' and `scrolling' > groups now. Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think > we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. Makes sense to me. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 91a8ac9f2055a759a5dfc46e771022e0; Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:51:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2022 21:51:03 +0800 In-Reply-To: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2022 13:47:49 +0200") Message-ID: <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20663 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 542 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> The options from pixel-scroll.el are in the `mouse' and `scrolling' >> groups now. Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think >> we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. > > Makes sense to me. BTW, doesn't this mean we should now put pixel-scroll-precision-mode in the manual somewhere? Because the idea was previously that people would find pixel-scroll-precision-mode by looking at the mouse customize group. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Po Lu writes: > BTW, doesn't this mean we should now put pixel-scroll-precision-mode in > the manual somewhere? Yes, I think so. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Po Lu writes: > BTW, doesn't this mean we should now put pixel-scroll-precision-mode in > the manual somewhere? Yes, I think so. > Because the idea was previously that people would find > pixel-scroll-precision-mode by looking at the mouse customize group. The new group will be a sub-group under the mouse group, though, so people can still find it that way, I think. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.505 (Entity 5.505) X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org From: help-debbugs@gnu.org (GNU bug Tracking System) To: Stefan Kangas Subject: bug#57970: closed (Re: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el) Message-ID: References: X-Gnu-PR-Message: they-closed 57970 X-Gnu-PR-Package: emacs Reply-To: 57970@debbugs.gnu.org Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 00:18:01 +0000 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----------=_1694391481-20246-1" This is a multi-part message in MIME format... ------------=_1694391481-20246-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Your bug report #57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el which was filed against the emacs package, has been closed. The explanation is attached below, along with your original report. 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Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think >> we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. > > Makes sense to me. 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Especially the former is very crowded as it is, so I think we should add a separate defgroup for pixel-scroll.el. ------------=_1694391481-20246-1-- From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 00:22:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: Po Lu , 57970@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57970-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57970.169439168020582 (code B ref 57970); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 00:22:01 +0000 Received: (at 57970) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 00:21:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51582 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfUg4-0005Lu-7w for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:21:20 -0400 Received: from mail-lf1-x12a.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::12a]:46473) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfUg2-0005Lg-LL for 57970@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 20:21:19 -0400 Received: by mail-lf1-x12a.google.com with SMTP id 2adb3069b0e04-500c7796d8eso6370846e87.1 for <57970@debbugs.gnu.org>; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:21:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20221208; t=1694391669; x=1694996469; darn=debbugs.gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AyTm4N/tPp/LDN3sedygDEqQqyEezI8Rbod1IZ2n/hY=; b=W7EU/HXyqBgJK6wZn8VbLwj46l0lsV7oWF8zfiK7MZyDcOwjBucTF5xWKcO0Sz338Y QVzKT9aig7bP2Ign2VzG0rjAEE82VHqkIcacB4BvYCR7zSNeJlkoWuIMyMGLs5jhI2Eb zJC5Rxx8ytIU4xxAFnaHavkSN25AO8FhKfdBZH7vkZCLQZ0tlNyznNL+9DsP5BdYWz65 53I3T2wvC/gUoqu50dUdJ44mHfzQycDitcZa+wxJ5WtFNnH2vD5DH2tHFJlt3+Mjh3uD szaQzMwxY2YGhfigS67ffIoZWa3OQ1dlQkoQJeitmOzcV3/6V1N8tnAFOB7ctiOoBdmV rDUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1694391669; x=1694996469; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:references:in-reply-to :from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=AyTm4N/tPp/LDN3sedygDEqQqyEezI8Rbod1IZ2n/hY=; b=fJkhNjiEovKTOMxLEJ2wPYPgxQmuU/oNrolpp65miL0rxaCSJ+Ew7IlA0l/6h8dAlN a7FbRtqPmxZN8uNKLCrOlPjcBMA+/a3dgj288Hqc6iTeoz63z0GXjmPyKvEBUcKvnKA7 u9ZePDOJgJ3RJf/B5OCHlTshJW8CZPWfGrcBB5OMT6e1ihAcypD2bZuvGifAudnCiIVt KoZF5x2GASk1/CqqQExSk1yvmxaDMQZnZ7KkDNXsjIZUetBV7TFHHr8Ak1k9oB+9TUNc /ySJRthHMki/zxdl4GjrSFv2RpJCsDxeP/P9SnbmiaUdKcg5F0UGDy01Vjgr4sgVeI7/ Lspg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw0Xbb0ZxYRsGUt4C5yWYnx2+FrqQiw4rLGGdYe5pTC5A7Yn2Wr ERD6gDsPvbkdh4S6mrjLFbBKoMpkWKGOzCVKZ40lQGqwJ70= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IFuMcKmnScucYa0jSWEvPhl7X4NFOW8HVXC9TTCewmTPyilhVln8ULXThM5HjE56DNYXcUrjMnHGSr8DAQ6OgM= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:250b:b0:500:b515:906d with SMTP id be11-20020a056512250b00b00500b515906dmr6713533lfb.61.1694391668648; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:21:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:21:08 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 21 Sep 2022 16:03:55 +0200") References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:21:08 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Po Lu writes: > >> BTW, doesn't this mean we should now put pixel-scroll-precision-mode in >> the manual somewhere? > > Yes, I think so. This bug was closed as fixed, but feel free to propose a patch for this related but separate issue. I'm still not sure what is the relationship with pixel-scroll-mode. Eli does, I think. So it might be best to send any suggested changes to the bug tracker. Thanks in advance. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 51f824f196a67e32576b00920d6721f7; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:37:18 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Sun, 10 Sep 2023 17:21:08 -0700") References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:37:10 +0800 Message-ID: <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 565 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: > I'm still not sure what is the relationship with pixel-scroll-mode. Eli > does, I think. So it might be best to send any suggested changes to the > bug tracker. For what it's worth, the only advantage the old pixel-scroll-mode has over p-s-p-m is that it functions with regular wheel mice by default. pixel-scroll-precision-mode is also capable of supporting wheel mice, but detecting them and enabling the requisite options is tricky and subject to numerous edge cases, so those options remain off by default. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:40:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 57970@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 57970-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57970.169443595413458 (code B ref 57970); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:40:01 +0000 Received: (at 57970) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 12:39:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52317 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgC9-0003V0-Kh for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:39:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:59886) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgC7-0003Un-Do for 57970@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:39:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfgBx-0004PO-Tq; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 08:39:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=BoKGb2SmrF+t2AYuo3dApXveaH8OuAMUCumcDCGe2LQ=; b=ORVTfOZS5hkO jE5qdwuwZfuNVdvVSkQFh6jfEoa2/UD4p7rinFuB4+bVPlEUYR8LnrWcysQ4UUAD3grPdGxmLifm/ IHVDBwiu/bM7zFAfP96EhwyHVyDZQMFxw7JeVdKniBW6wkQnHGgYqmoadfR08775+AqXxGasvJmPL jBTv2Zr0NQ1Oe+AA8ILGnPow/sx4HZIimza3n/nEVRWH8Svp23kMo3vTdbUjhX2v3bNb9o2Cej+i8 fszI66Uj/x+2nxqo6rlFzS7Pz199RmsTBXWcWK3k5sVzN0YL2gPH2bNSyi+bzlPMVgy29OP86jZqn UgppvvGHn7XWY7DCxrNQpg==; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:38:45 +0300 Message-Id: <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> (bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org) References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 57970@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:37:10 +0800 > From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, > the Swiss army knife of text editors" > > Stefan Kangas writes: > > > I'm still not sure what is the relationship with pixel-scroll-mode. Eli > > does, I think. So it might be best to send any suggested changes to the > > bug tracker. > > For what it's worth, the only advantage the old pixel-scroll-mode has > over p-s-p-m is that it functions with regular wheel mice by default. > > pixel-scroll-precision-mode is also capable of supporting wheel mice, > but detecting them and enabling the requisite options is tricky and > subject to numerous edge cases, so those options remain off by default. So maybe we should document that one is better for wheels, the other for touchpads? And maybe even (gasp!) rename pixel-scroll-precision-mode to something like touchpad-scroll-mode? 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID bba1949354914cc1612fa6e8fa65b291; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 12:46:03 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:38:45 +0300") References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:45:55 +0800 Message-ID: <87r0n498u4.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1424 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 57970@debbugs.gnu.org >> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:37:10 +0800 >> From: Po Lu via "Bug reports for GNU Emacs, >> the Swiss army knife of text editors" >> >> Stefan Kangas writes: >> >> > I'm still not sure what is the relationship with pixel-scroll-mode. Eli >> > does, I think. So it might be best to send any suggested changes to the >> > bug tracker. >> >> For what it's worth, the only advantage the old pixel-scroll-mode has >> over p-s-p-m is that it functions with regular wheel mice by default. >> >> pixel-scroll-precision-mode is also capable of supporting wheel mice, >> but detecting them and enabling the requisite options is tricky and >> subject to numerous edge cases, so those options remain off by default. > > So maybe we should document that one is better for wheels, the other > for touchpads? And maybe even (gasp!) rename > pixel-scroll-precision-mode to something like touchpad-scroll-mode? pixel-scroll-mode isn't better for wheel mice as long as you actually tell p-s-p-m that you use one, so that assessment isn't really correct. pixel-scroll-mode's principal failings are that it bails out when a wheel event arrives while scrolling is taking place, it always scrolls by a set number of lines, and it is slow. p-s-p-m experiences none of these problems. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:51:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 57970@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 57970-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57970.169444023320436 (code B ref 57970); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 13:51:01 +0000 Received: (at 57970) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 13:50:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52394 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfhJB-0005JY-As for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:50:33 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:51048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfhJ6-0005JH-Dq for 57970@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:50:32 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfhIw-0002Q2-98; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 09:50:18 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=HGW8hM2oZF+UONjaNF8D7VJlCok1dhTPYgYm1gItD/0=; b=InpR2IEA+fzB oCBoQLVTFVeqMVzP9dZNmfer/VarZb2ENGH2PGmVouZ/NmfnQiKxd7XENbFIHz5RYK7dZwVRtkU1s GtWmvjiUAEbdxb7TVs1WK12GYQEu2XTRtBhdH4l8cgshNnBNe75Jllx1u7oNpIgpIRLp875VUF4aI B8NPU4nNouZgi6GKHQpVK3oJovXBVFMSfEb8dnNxYD2fUhrNinfmtv+6kK1RVM5tokacWb5GWAzrq nxvLz4Oi4Aiif7/4whcH08wfZDiRkMlzFct7taeFa4DiL3r147gSMsDmwf9ez78WSFpaWbzfLI5Qi 05FffTvBBHaRKftoHAUOqg==; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:49:59 +0300 Message-Id: <83a5tsrf94.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87r0n498u4.fsf@yahoo.com> (message from Po Lu on Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:45:55 +0800) References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0n498u4.fsf@yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 57970@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 20:45:55 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > So maybe we should document that one is better for wheels, the other > > for touchpads? And maybe even (gasp!) rename > > pixel-scroll-precision-mode to something like touchpad-scroll-mode? > > pixel-scroll-mode isn't better for wheel mice as long as you actually > tell p-s-p-m that you use one, so that assessment isn't really correct. > > pixel-scroll-mode's principal failings are that it bails out when a > wheel event arrives while scrolling is taking place, it always scrolls > by a set number of lines, and it is slow. p-s-p-m experiences none of > these problems. It sounds like your comments actually agree with my suggestions ;-) To clarify, I didn't mean that pixel-scroll-precision-mode _cannot_ be used with wheels, I just said pixel-scroll-mode is _better_ there (because it requires no tricky configuration); conversely, for touchpads, pixel-scroll-precision-mode produces a much better UX OOTB. This particular discussion is about two modes that have very similar names. I think explaining the strengths and weaknesses (even if they are minor and can be overcome, given enough efforts) goes at least some way towards resolving user confusion about these two, and changing the name, even if not 110% accurate, is even better. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 1828c9d70468e3de416f32d2a55b9f75; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 14:46:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu In-Reply-To: <83a5tsrf94.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 11 Sep 2023 16:49:59 +0300") References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0n498u4.fsf@yahoo.com> <83a5tsrf94.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:46:03 +0800 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.21763 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1370 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii writes: > It sounds like your comments actually agree with my suggestions ;-) > > To clarify, I didn't mean that pixel-scroll-precision-mode _cannot_ be > used with wheels, I just said pixel-scroll-mode is _better_ there > (because it requires no tricky configuration); conversely, for > touchpads, pixel-scroll-precision-mode produces a much better UX OOTB. That is correct, but not from an objective standpoint, only from the POV of what is better "out of the box". p-s-p-m is worse off OOTB, because it takes no effect at all without some configuration. > This particular discussion is about two modes that have very similar > names. I think explaining the strengths and weaknesses (even if they > are minor and can be overcome, given enough efforts) goes at least > some way towards resolving user confusion about these two, and > changing the name, even if not 110% accurate, is even better. Users customarily search for terms in the vein of "pixel scroll", which that must still be taken into account: whatever name we select for the mode should incorporate the word "pixel". One more data point: within the stream of feature requests that constitued the impetus for my decision to implement this feature, not a single request mentioned the word "touchpad", whereas "pixel" and "precise" abounded. At least in my recollection. From unknown Mon Aug 18 09:01:23 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57970: 29.0.50; Create new defgroup for pixel-scroll.el Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:54:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57970 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Po Lu Cc: larsi@gnus.org, 57970@debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@gmail.com Received: via spool by 57970-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57970.169444759823251 (code B ref 57970); Mon, 11 Sep 2023 15:54:01 +0000 Received: (at 57970) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Sep 2023 15:53:18 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54533 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfjDy-00062x-4t for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:53:18 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54804) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1qfjDv-00062j-RR for 57970@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:53:16 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1qfjDk-0006qM-Oh; Mon, 11 Sep 2023 11:53:05 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=dUDKabS+1q3Esk6OHcEELH3HFv6JrR6fo5SYX0Vv9LY=; b=dWmV8+O4t0VX jvRo+fcsW1tKkyKKznNvGSSidF/NoIz2ufPVBf+5KxdlAp4MF4YHZcnbnn8/3xn3yY4KWePzObW5s HlbQn7VlLXU1vjZx3qXAUMvymU8DthaEF9BZ7jR5SQ8Io0s6TAhoUqeI8HSdu4evggwYtfpqbfBkL slq5EBWih3LCwJYHzi7m2QM9bFn9nmpKxv4br1O6UBOGD5xbiI8Cmkc8Wkv9G5BUUTuKgOt8tZ8mO 18OzaWOp0jZiZv8Y4FCbhC+snxe+0epwD6Ulky2qxPK6rWgWR+sidpcK3LbB8XEQsmEL1bg7XRXsI Z3sVJoJ+1MMgsudo4qG41A==; Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 18:52:46 +0300 Message-Id: <837cowr9kh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Po Lu on Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:46:03 +0800) References: <87fsgl6ja2.fsf@gnus.org> <87czbog7js.fsf@yahoo.com> <87y1uc9644.fsf@gnus.org> <87v8ch85s9.fsf@yahoo.com> <83il8griju.fsf@gnu.org> <87r0n498u4.fsf@yahoo.com> <83a5tsrf94.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Po Lu > Cc: stefankangas@gmail.com, larsi@gnus.org, 57970@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 11 Sep 2023 22:46:03 +0800 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > This particular discussion is about two modes that have very similar > > names. I think explaining the strengths and weaknesses (even if they > > are minor and can be overcome, given enough efforts) goes at least > > some way towards resolving user confusion about these two, and > > changing the name, even if not 110% accurate, is even better. > > Users customarily search for terms in the vein of "pixel scroll", which > that must still be taken into account: whatever name we select for the > mode should incorporate the word "pixel". > > One more data point: within the stream of feature requests that > constitued the impetus for my decision to implement this feature, not a > single request mentioned the word "touchpad", whereas "pixel" and > "precise" abounded. At least in my recollection. We could use touchpad-pixel-scroll, for example.