From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 16 00:31:58 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2022 04:31:59 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ31B-00070G-VR for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:31:58 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:54786) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ317-000706-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:31:56 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:32906) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ316-00055v-VR for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:31:53 -0400 Received: from mail-4325.protonmail.ch ([185.70.43.25]:54603) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ314-000687-3x for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 00:31:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 04:31:41 +0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=proton.me; s=protonmail; t=1663302706; x=1663561906; bh=HQMCb9Ucn3GP8T1rFfzNWplePB0jLBrM8O3LrLtkU08=; h=Date:To:From:Subject:Message-ID:Feedback-ID:From:To:Cc:Date: Subject:Reply-To:Feedback-ID:Message-ID; b=nIY0g6F5H3PjGHM+y+xTmr3aqzG934BFz9ECLw40dKjv/OJWGZpRWweP7lxrQSyt9 QbFgo3Grr0gdY5G+kI/oxz0VYl0VwupmAyaB6Wplgw2g7NnH0Px0Id/nGcjgdkXr/g DBPc+p0N8EJJ1yUAv9yam04NeVuBFRK7y9CX8zlI7YZArgk9PfFxc0Rmf6qHraFwsp FFi5lF5p2cs+4cVLWA4SFJurlMeBCf51MiwnJjl+qNut2H5spWi2iHZbaFcypReZqL ANVQKgY7b7n22rYDzjht8Dz/aCMtSMqXH1Hf+n4YRdc7FPuveSGdtCH66mqUcY05rE J5DXVGhJcRopQ== To: "bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org" From: uzibalqa Subject: Emacs Reference Lisp Manual on defcustom Message-ID: Feedback-ID: 52887082:user:proton MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=185.70.43.25; envelope-from=uzibalqa@proton.me; helo=mail-4325.protonmail.ch X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) I am reading the Elisp manual 16.2 Specifying Variables using defcustom The custom-set-variables function works somewhat differently than a setq. W= hile I have never learned the differences, I modify the custom-set-variable= s expressions in my .emacs file by hand: I make the changes in what appears= to me to be a reasonable manner and have not had any problems. Others pref= er to use the Customization command and let Emacs do the work for them.=20 I myself use customize for hardly anything. Mostly, I write expressions mys= elf. Why are we talking like this !!! "I have never learned the differences" an= d "I myself use customize for hardly anything." 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Others pr= efer to use the Customization command and let Emacs do the work for them. > > I myself use customize for hardly anything. Mostly, I write expressions m= yself. > > Why are we talking like this !!! "I have never learned the differences" = and "I myself use customize for hardly anything." That's just the style that this manual is written in. Maybe we could explain what `custom-set-*' actually does instead, or even mention the new `setopt'. Or we could just leave it alone: either way is fine by me. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > That's just the style that this manual is written in. Maybe we could > explain what `custom-set-*' actually does instead, or even mention the > new `setopt'. Or we could just leave it alone: either [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57847 Cc: uzibalqa , 57847@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > That's just the style that this manual is written in. Maybe we could > explain what `custom-set-*' actually does instead, or even mention the > new `setopt'. Or we could just leave it alone: either way is fine by > me. I think leaving it alone is fine; closing this bug report. 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