From unknown Thu Aug 14 22:14:45 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57779: 29.0.50; Make thumbs.el obsolete Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 17:31:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 57779 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 57779@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.166309024721503 (code B ref -1); Tue, 13 Sep 2022 17:31:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Sep 2022 17:30:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oY9kE-0005al-RM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:47 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:48762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oY9kD-0005ae-Ij for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:45 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:54728) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY9kD-0002cg-88 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:45 -0400 Received: from mail-ot1-x333.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::333]:41939) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oY9kB-0007t6-H6 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:44 -0400 Received: by mail-ot1-x333.google.com with SMTP id t8-20020a9d5908000000b0063b41908168so8566483oth.8 for ; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:30:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:from:to:cc:subject :date; bh=Ea8zUMqv3Bg+aKfr/2p12xYNT5Zx1VFNqwByVBUWocY=; b=moZslPUy4FBa9DpB8AJrXKd2nk5ucaJfCQDJRQeHt4vO3apf9A0PQyp8XETJECajdT kPs4UFBV4JeAkZcI97Dp53qHSt5J0w1DrPl6kWw6o1c78PKeY4j1MQEcOrkgJTgAy84A Bj4BFRhmyFvzTmGBqAcwbVFB0mue6ID5Cfc/DeXrAgj/SCrC13bSgqeJNbdnvd086uPb pGjTx0yOHNcw/KXEMXQOf2Bwdcx4II3XUujpwXCCSgAmnWdrHnYdjZNOZK3M0E8btQmK z2WIIYVqXCEohitR7ioFiL5YdU4/C7PQO9XNP1AzdpHRv8m1j6GKVqdS37mNAzj8tIt8 G9Cw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:mime-version:from:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Ea8zUMqv3Bg+aKfr/2p12xYNT5Zx1VFNqwByVBUWocY=; b=R7bjDF6Ff1rHFX1VldlWVooYEsT8cnvW1xTxoyVxHJ1PYPULF9N0DcPgamw5rmQIDj dftZa3OBwe+1PZ3JHmSs2fxb1gUA6q4DjCdqYNmYoUtux0fUY9dpZE8LQoT8rSUUz/g/ dYrhOKHJpkP+snMWn2riPlUNwb0dvQvHvmQysmUnAielw3bK0fxwJ0u5FxZJakBy1BLF np+Yxz44YiHOejaoodWws/72yJk+HjPuZDontUORy6V0n/K3bnOTOVIaU2lp44Q+YKpm 2jE5RsP9HkzCtDOpTbuNV21IZY/RzOmsz89P2ic3zDtsYGJ1SFDC/mxkVc61j9uWAOHX WIVg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo2WSqG/r0/11CWp93aD4zt6suStaWX18yDJimE3fty1ySZ5e0k3 RJXkx8ldu8aNqMrtPOLZFvI4RN523N46qMerEqhCVyFV X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5qX4qJkDzoMwQnOjpAWN1Ywr0m4tqK0nLFU9kOlIOP140s6Yk4NDwJcnrl0uBKqvY4t4LVRbxCgBROh6dbohk= X-Received: by 2002:a9d:7c89:0:b0:655:dfb1:331c with SMTP id q9-20020a9d7c89000000b00655dfb1331cmr4550878otn.224.1663090240134; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 10:30:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:39 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2022 13:30:39 -0400 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::333; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ot1-x333.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Severity: wishlist In Bug#10758, I argued that: > I guess we could rebase thumbs.el to also use the built-in image viewing > support, but I took a look and this external conversion seems built into > the foundation of how that library works. So this looks to me like it > would amount to a rewrite of thumbs.el. I could be wrong of course, but > that was my conclusion after poking at it for an hour or so. > > Furthermore, at this point, image-dired.el is by far the more powerful > package, and it seems better implemented overall. Although it borrows > heavily from thumbs.el (or at least it used to), thumbs.el seems fully > redundant these days. ... > > So rather than attempting a rewrite of thumbs.el, the better solution > seems to me to add any important missing features from thumbs.el to > image-dired.el, and then obsoleting the former (not necessarily in that > order, but either way is fine to me). Ref: https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=10758#26 Now that we have added the `image-dired-wallpaper-set' command to image-dired, I have a hard time seeing what thumbs.el provides over Image-Dired. I don't think it's worthwhile to continue maintaining both. Also, thumbs.el has seen very limited development in the last decade or more. I therefore suggest that we make thumbs.el obsolete, to better focus our efforts on image-dired.el. 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Done (commit 4b537dd99f and 32e736d903).