From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 25 19:18:38 2010 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 25 Mar 2010 23:18:38 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuwJx-00074C-PA for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:18:37 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuwJv-000744-6e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:18:36 -0400 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([199.232.76.166]:35420 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NuwJr-00082U-7x for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:18:31 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:37820) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Nuw5k-0003nh-D3 for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:03:56 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nuw5h-0006cZ-3p for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:03:55 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.0 (2010-01-18) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED, T_RP_MATCHES_RCVD,UNPARSEABLE_RELAY autolearn=ham version=3.3.0 Received: from rcsinet12.oracle.com ([148.87.113.124]:53219) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Nuw5g-0006cP-Uf for emacs-pretest-bug@gnu.org; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 19:03:53 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by rcsinet12.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o2PN3oua028413 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:03:51 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o2PFVQf4021554 for ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 23:03:49 GMT Received: from abhmt021.oracle.com by acsmt353.oracle.com with ESMTP id 117482861269558204; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:03:24 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/130.35.178.194) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:03:23 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: Subject: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:03:32 -0700 Message-ID: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 Thread-Index: AcrMb2PgBFLLIkGpTs6Kp+QZxgqvbA== X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090205.4BABEBD6.0095:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) X-Spam-Score: -5.5 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) emacs -Q In GNU Emacs 23.1.92.1 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2010-02-20 on LENNART-69DE564 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4) --no-opt --cflags -Ic:/g/include -fno-crossjumping' 1. The node says: "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ deactivated..." This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v mark-active' with t-m-mode off and see if what it says makes sense in combination with this Info doc (no). The truth is that when t-m-mode is off there is no notion of an active mark. That is what should be said (and it was said like that in the past). The notion of an active mark and region is a t-m-mode notion. 2. Replace undo (`C-x u') in the example given by a more typical command wrt t-m-mode (e.g. query-replace). Things are said in this paragraph that are not general but are specific to `undo', and that's not the message we are trying to get across here. (You typically cannot use `C-u' to make such commands operate on the region when the region is inactive.) 3. "`C-u C-x C-x' Activate the mark without changing it". Remove "without changing it". That doesn't add anything except confusion. All the `C-u' does is activate the mark, period. `C-u C-x C-x' still swaps point and mark ("changing" the mark). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Mar 30 13:41:07 2010 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Mar 2010 17:41:08 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwfR5-00035P-3Q for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:41:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([140.186.70.10]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwfR3-000354-F9 for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:41:05 -0400 Received: from rgm by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NwfQy-0007Bl-JT; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:41:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <19378.14252.392658.716585@fencepost.gnu.org> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 13:41:00 -0400 From: Glenn Morris To: control Subject: control X-Attribution: GM X-Mailer: VM (www.wonderworks.com/vm), GNU Emacs (www.gnu.org/software/emacs) X-Hue: green X-Ran: vZgOltzD&160:Gh/m:nmg,l&]]B]uvh?m.C:`luA*Gk)+A%L:QVg1eH[&|)S&(U}/M;|iR X-Debbugs-No-Ack: yes X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -5.1 (-----) retitle 5805 23.1; abbrev-insert does not protext itself with save-excursion severity 5798 minor reassign 5786 emacs,cc-mode severity 5787 minor severity 5772 minor severity 5770 minor severity 5774 minor From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 12:14:47 2010 Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 16:14:47 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBQN-0003LE-BT for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:47 -0400 Received: from pantheon-po15.its.yale.edu ([130.132.50.71]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzBQL-0003L9-En for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:45 -0400 Received: from furry (adsl-99-70-212-128.dsl.wlfrct.sbcglobal.net [99.70.212.128]) (authenticated bits=0) by pantheon-po15.its.yale.edu (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id o36GEehh029527 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 Received: by furry (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 4E0FFC055; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Chong Yidong To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks Date: Tue, 06 Apr 2010 12:14:40 -0400 Message-ID: <87mxxgv9qn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-YaleITSMailFilter: Version 1.2c (attachment(s) not renamed) X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5774 Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) > "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ deactivated..." > > This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v mark-active' with > t-m-mode off and see if what it says makes sense in combination with > this Info doc (no). It is correct. If tmm is off, the mark starts out inactive, and the variable `mark-active' is nil. Once you type C-SPC, `mark-active' becomes t, and remains t regardless of (almost) anything you do. > 2. Replace undo (`C-x u') in the example given by a more typical command > wrt t-m-mode (e.g. query-replace). > > 3. "`C-u C-x C-x' Activate the mark without changing it". Remove "without > changing it". That doesn't add anything except confusion. I have edited the text to remove the possible confusion. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Apr 06 13:07:46 2010 Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Apr 2010 17:07:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzCFe-0003iT-F1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:07:46 -0400 Received: from acsinet11.oracle.com ([141.146.126.233]) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1NzCFc-0003iO-Mu for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 13:07:45 -0400 Received: from rcsinet13.oracle.com (rcsinet13.oracle.com [148.87.113.125]) by acsinet11.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.2) with ESMTP id o36H7bD0002113 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:07:39 GMT Received: from acsmt354.oracle.com (acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154]) by rcsinet13.oracle.com (Switch-3.4.2/Switch-3.4.1) with ESMTP id o36H7aWM012885; Tue, 6 Apr 2010 17:07:36 GMT Received: from abhmt002.oracle.com by acsmt354.oracle.com with ESMTP id 150978801270573646; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:07:26 -0700 Received: from dradamslap1 (/141.144.225.69) by default (Oracle Beehive Gateway v4.0) with ESMTP ; Tue, 06 Apr 2010 10:07:26 -0700 From: "Drew Adams" To: "'Chong Yidong'" References: <87mxxgv9qn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Subject: RE: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks Date: Tue, 6 Apr 2010 10:07:24 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 In-Reply-To: <87mxxgv9qn.fsf@stupidchicken.com> Thread-Index: AcrVpGKngVD3i89ESlWPBacU+lMpMAAAgfaQ X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Source-IP: acsmt354.oracle.com [141.146.40.154] X-Auth-Type: Internal IP X-CT-RefId: str=0001.0A090206.4BBB6A59.0107:SCFMA4539814,ss=1,fgs=0 X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5774 Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.11 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Sender: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org X-Spam-Score: -6.4 (------) > > "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ > > deactivated..." > > > > This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v > > mark-active' with t-m-mode off and see if what it says > > makes sense in combination with this Info doc (no). > > It is correct. If tmm is off, the mark starts out inactive, and the > variable `mark-active' is nil. Once you type C-SPC, `mark-active' > becomes t, and remains t regardless of (almost) anything you do. `mark-active' is an internal variable that is irrelevant to this doc and a conceptual understanding. What is relevant for the user's conceptual model is observable behavior, not implementation. It makes no difference what the value of `mark-active' is when t-m-mode is off. Your code can set it to anything at all, including nil, and that will change nothing in terms of observable behavior. What is important to get across here is that activeness of the mark has meaning _only_ for transient-mark-mode and similar, derived modes. (That includes temporary t-m-mode.) Inactive/active affects behavior only for t-m-mode and the like. When t-m-mode is off there is _no recognition_ of the mark states active/inactive - no observable difference or change in behavior. And that's as it should be. > > 2. Replace undo (`C-x u') in the example given by a more > > typical command wrt t-m-mode (e.g. query-replace). > > > > 3. "`C-u C-x C-x' Activate the mark without changing it". > > Remove "without changing it". That doesn't add anything > > except confusion. 4. This node should be renamed. "Persistent Marks" implies persistence, which typically means saving to disk and across sessions. Some 3rd-party Emacs libraries do provide for persistent marks, but that's not what this is about. Please rename the node - perhaps something like `Transient Mark Mode Off' would be a much clearer indicator of the content. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 09 22:27:56 2014 Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 03:27:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXH-0005Ih-Rv for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:27:56 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:51493) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXG-0005IZ-8G for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:27:54 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WChWz-00054l-6o; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 04:27:37 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen To: "Drew Adams" Subject: Re: bug#5774: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks References: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:26:24 -0800 In-Reply-To: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 25 Mar 2010 16:03:32 -0700") Message-ID: <87fvnrhcm7.fsf@building.gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13001 (Ma Gnus v0.10) Emacs/24.3.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-MailScanner-ID: 1WChWz-00054l-6o X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392607658.30481@iix/tgDrVqvZWC4X4Mvzxw X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5774 Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) "Drew Adams" writes: > 1. The node says: > > "When Transient Mark mode is off, the mark is _never_ deactivated..." > > This is wrong. And it confuses users. Check `C-h v mark-active' with t-m-mode > off and see if what it says makes sense in combination with this Info doc (no). [...] > `mark-active' is an internal variable that is irrelevant to this doc and a > conceptual understanding. What is relevant for the user's conceptual model is > observable behavior, not implementation. > > It makes no difference what the value of `mark-active' is when t-m-mode is off. > Your code can set it to anything at all, including nil, and that will change > nothing in terms of observable behavior. True, but I can't find anything in the manual that states this in this way any more after grepping for a minute. Closing, but please reopen if this problem is still in the manual. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no/ From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 09 22:28:00 2014 Received: (at control) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 03:28:00 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33157 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXM-0005J2-6f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:28:00 -0500 Received: from hermes.netfonds.no ([80.91.224.195]:52955) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChXK-0005Is-FZ for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:27:58 -0500 Received: from [204.14.154.233] (helo=building.gnus.org) by hermes.netfonds.no with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1WChX5-00054u-5p for control@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 04:27:43 +0100 Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2014 19:26:30 -0800 Message-Id: <87eh3bhcm1.fsf@building.gnus.org> To: control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: control message for bug #5774 X-MailScanner-ID: 1WChX5-00054u-5p X-Netfonds-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-Netfonds-MailScanner-From: larsi@gnus.org MailScanner-NULL-Check: 1392607664.48548@MHd6f3Y4uJiZ9mNd+zpD/Q X-Spam-Status: No X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: control X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) close 5774 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 09 22:40:22 2014 Received: (at 5774) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Feb 2014 03:40:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33191 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChjJ-0006qx-RM for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:40:22 -0500 Received: from userp1040.oracle.com ([156.151.31.81]:35668) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.80) (envelope-from ) id 1WChjG-0006qm-Mw for 5774@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 09 Feb 2014 22:40:19 -0500 Received: from acsinet21.oracle.com (acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id s1A3eGSP018083 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:40:17 GMT Received: from aserz7021.oracle.com (aserz7021.oracle.com [141.146.126.230]) by acsinet21.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A3eGC7011076 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:40:16 GMT Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by aserz7021.oracle.com (8.14.4+Sun/8.14.4) with ESMTP id s1A3eGsP011073; Mon, 10 Feb 2014 03:40:16 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <1f3fcfdf-aea6-413f-a7e1-d15bd8d600b2@default> Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2014 19:40:13 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Subject: RE: bug#5774: 23.1.92; Emacs manual, node Persistent Marks References: <7C30F09686364224A85B06A46947357F@us.oracle.com> <87fvnrhcm7.fsf@building.gnus.org> In-Reply-To: <87fvnrhcm7.fsf@building.gnus.org> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.8 (707110) [OL 12.0.6680.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Source-IP: acsinet21.oracle.com [141.146.126.237] X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 5774 Cc: 5774@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.9 (--) > True, but I can't find anything in the manual that states this in > this way any more after grepping for a minute. Closing, but please > reopen if this problem is still in the manual. Yes, thanks. I believe this was fixed. There is no longer a `Persistent Marks' node. From unknown Mon Jun 23 13:09:59 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2014 11:24:14 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator