From unknown Sun Jun 22 03:47:24 2025 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 5.509 (Entity 5.509) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 From: bug#57576 <57576@debbugs.gnu.org> To: bug#57576 <57576@debbugs.gnu.org> Subject: Status: Missing support for NIPT-P384 gpg algorithm in Guix channel authentication. Reply-To: bug#57576 <57576@debbugs.gnu.org> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2025 10:47:24 +0000 retitle 57576 Missing support for NIPT-P384 gpg algorithm in Guix channel a= uthentication. reassign 57576 guix submitter 57576 Zhu Zihao severity 57576 normal tag 57576 wontfix thanks From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sun Sep 04 08:14:56 2022 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Sep 2022 12:14:56 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oUoWd-0007IO-IZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:55 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51122) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oUoWa-0007IF-10 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:42910) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUoWZ-0003ti-Sc for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:51 -0400 Received: from mail-m975.mail.163.com ([123.126.97.5]:5231) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oUoWT-0002Uy-SA for bug-guix@gnu.org; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 08:14:49 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=163.com; s=s110527; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version; bh=73Xk4 vPyJJxio0o4x9HrArY0X31nMfI5KVmowrdSVuQ=; b=WZTIRloHp4mQk7Oizc0Y4 3F8ZrIhv8SRh+hj/msFCQrzqPB3H1rZEsMWAF6WoEPepz9epOkO0M6oqNT0KzPNO 1e0exaA6arIBBibgz1bGkPGXrCrorrplNplD8smZL1QTEqmOMTx1iITz63LSS4x7 6a9RD7RM5udIDBqjtPjs6I= Received: from asus-laptop (unknown [27.38.249.43]) by smtp5 (Coremail) with SMTP id HdxpCgCHFCockxRjHdPtZg--.61537S2; Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:59:26 +0800 (CST) User-agent: mu4e 1.8.9; emacs 29.0.50 From: Zhu Zihao To: bug-guix Subject: Missing support for NIPT-P384 gpg algorithm in Guix channel authentication. Date: Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:53:28 +0800 Message-ID: <86v8q38i5i.fsf@163.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha384; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-CM-TRANSID: HdxpCgCHFCockxRjHdPtZg--.61537S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Uf129KBjvJXoWxGrWkXw47Jr18tF4rKw4xCrg_yoW5WFyfpa 18WF1SyryUJr45J3Wjkr1qqr47tr1UGry2qr4DG348Xr98WF1kKr1aya15Jr98AF1jgryj yrn5JrWDWF12y3JanT9S1TB71UUUUUUqnTZGkaVYY2UrUUUUjbIjqfuFe4nvWSU5nxnvy2 9KBjDUYxBIdaVFxhVjvjDU0xZFpf9x0zRZvt_UUUUU= X-Originating-IP: [27.38.249.43] X-CM-SenderInfo: pdoosuxxwbztlvw6il2tof0z/xtbBZh5yr1aEBqCPMwAAst Received-SPF: pass client-ip=123.126.97.5; envelope-from=all_but_last@163.com; helo=mail-m975.mail.163.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm working with my private channel, And I update my gpg key using NIPT-P384 algorithm. But `guix time-machine` complains that: Updating channel 'cireguix' from Git repository at '/home/citreu/gitrepos/c= ireguix'... Authenticating channel 'cireguix', commits 9b37ac0 to 6601a6a (1 new commit= s)... [##########################################################################= ###########################################################################= ###########################################################################= ###########]Backtrace: In guix/store.scm: 659:37 19 (thunk) In guix/status.scm: 815:4 18 (call-with-status-report _ _) In guix/store.scm: 1298:8 17 (call-with-build-handler # =E2=80=A6) In guix/inferior.scm: 904:34 16 (cached-channel-instance # =E2=80=A6) In guix/channels.scm: 523:7 15 (loop _ _) In guix/combinators.scm: 48:26 14 (fold2 # =E2=80=A6) In guix/channels.scm: 533:29 13 (_ #< name: cireguix url: "/home/citreu/gitre=E2=80= =A6> =E2=80=A6) 421:12 12 (latest-channel-instance # =E2=80=A6) In guix/git.scm: 290:7 11 (call-with-repository _ #) In guix/git-authenticate.scm: 442:22 10 (authenticate-repository # _ _ # =E2=80= =A6) In guix/progress.scm: 71:36 9 (call-with-progress-reporter _ _) In srfi/srfi-1.scm: 460:18 8 (fold # =E2=80=A6) In guix/git-authenticate.scm: 290:24 7 (_ # =E2=80=A6) 226:4 6 (authenticate-commit # # =E2=80=A6) 129:23 5 (commit-signing-key _ # =E2=80=A6) In guix/openpgp.scm: 562:26 4 (verify-openpgp-signature _ _ _) In gcrypt/pk-crypto.scm: 250:8 3 (key-type (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 =E2=80=A6)= )) 202:27 2 (_ (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 0 34 3 =E2=80=A6)= ) 0) In ice-9/boot-9.scm: 1685:16 1 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _) 1685:16 0 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _) ice-9/boot-9.scm:1685:16: In procedure raise-exception: In procedure struct-vtable: Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting st= ruct): (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 0 34 3 3 4 53 239 158 105 = 250 133 46 247 192 56 245 48 43 60 70 47 46 85 221 226 213 94 248 254 218 8= 5 176 252 233 119 26 85 65 191 47 159 193 86 129 155 186 183 151 233 81 178= 42 30 81 234 192 184 140 230 226 26 72 186 82 18 213 187 6 28 34 39 197 75= 37 138 226 98 216 187 185 223 222 126 181 122 255 104 171 201 51 254 7 235= 245 151 247 168 215 165 73 181)) Does Guix support NIPT-P384 key? =2D-=20 Retrieve my PGP public key: gpg --recv-keys 481F5EEEBA425ADC13247C76A6E672D981B8E744 Zihao --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iKsEARMJADMWIQQkZvBVi/S5Mr2eh+gobjKMmWV3qgUCYxSTGRUcYWxsX2J1dF9s YXN0QDE2My5jb20ACgkQKG4yjJlld6qXjwF/XKOJx8mQUfXAqM0mJjiWRI89Zscy SqSvtLgGIrBFIjBgfQbGLXwu1jzPh+TT1aSPAYC+VtNBbABeVJvGdPDrK5mOhBDe OgiZv6Zel2z0p0nNpLav51TZb0C7wOhaal/oZuA= =gtRp -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Mon Sep 05 12:06:11 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Sep 2022 16:06:12 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48692 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVEbz-00034X-Ll for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 12:06:11 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55660) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVEbx-00034C-Rk for 57576@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 12:06:10 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51920) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVEbs-0006ed-JV; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 12:06:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=UkGtCBty6Hh8uZqpIB3zuQvjVzG1PYNpmCMesm2ZtCw=; b=Bwh0Jkyu9zdO05MtdTHs 4S22q1IcVkf15HI3BttvdhF0/ixV10VieRENvv/QJChj+RFYVJAvuH6q5Grp8FgHX+n//MB03OyIt D7o7IC8b1CJfLRInUQgBJBRlWcL4wSRAIhyeEM1zbUbAwglb8HVCog+p45Ym4uhlZR9Yv3a5Ylayy yKlW4PTKI5QMYrRLx/Qp8Be2KyAa9om835NPXeoi4ogsen7ol8nzNsTF90T2J9wOcCD+PNifxv+8r Vs4wwNwv3Wz08cH0UjlXSnVm+TLLFX+JrI/BtsWhZcGMuMrFbYtHo0VQc+5zoCKGdkZ39BM2NGOOC VZsEv0POlLGMUw==; Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=34280 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVEbr-0002on-Mx; Mon, 05 Sep 2022 12:06:04 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Zhu Zihao Subject: Re: bug#57576: Missing support for NIPT-P384 gpg algorithm in Guix channel authentication. References: <86v8q38i5i.fsf@163.com> Date: Mon, 05 Sep 2022 18:06:01 +0200 In-Reply-To: <86v8q38i5i.fsf@163.com> (Zhu Zihao's message of "Sun, 04 Sep 2022 19:53:28 +0800") Message-ID: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, Zhu Zihao skribis: > I'm working with my private channel, And I update my gpg key using > NIPT-P384 algorithm. But `guix time-machine` complains that: [...] > 226:4 6 (authenticate-commit # # =E2=80=A6) > 129:23 5 (commit-signing-key _ # =E2=80=A6) > In guix/openpgp.scm: > 562:26 4 (verify-openpgp-signature _ _ _) > In gcrypt/pk-crypto.scm: > 250:8 3 (key-type (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 =E2=80= =A6))) > 202:27 2 (_ (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 0 34 3 =E2=80= =A6)) 0) > In ice-9/boot-9.scm: > 1685:16 1 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _) > 1685:16 0 (raise-exception _ #:continuable? _) > > ice-9/boot-9.scm:1685:16: In procedure raise-exception: > In procedure struct-vtable: Wrong type argument in position 1 (expecting = struct): (unsupported-algorithm 19 #vu8(5 43 129 4 0 34 3 3 4 53 239 158 10= 5 250 133 46 247 192 56 245 48 43 60 70 47 46 85 221 226 213 94 248 254 218= 85 176 252 233 119 26 85 65 191 47 159 193 86 129 155 186 183 151 233 81 1= 78 42 30 81 234 192 184 140 230 226 26 72 186 82 18 213 187 6 28 34 39 197 = 75 37 138 226 98 216 187 185 223 222 126 181 122 255 104 171 201 51 254 7 2= 35 245 151 247 168 215 165 73 181)) > > Does Guix support NIPT-P384 key? Nope! (That=E2=80=99s NIST-P384.) To add it, we need to adjust (guix openpgp) to support it (and ECDSA, the =E2=80=9C19=E2=80=9D we see above). I=E2=80=99ll follow up with a patc= h. Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 06 07:58:51 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2022 11:58:51 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49947 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVXEB-0005xq-CK for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:58:51 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50442) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVXEA-0005xZ-2s; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:58:50 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39742) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVXE3-0007Dl-PV; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:58:44 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=xfzwpkeSOdAdAhf0VR9CTc0gCQCf2I/mpOHet9s52Ao=; b=ZZYtV9fVXo2LXYfxTY2U NRjMNkq8fcsR9iFHZggqD6nT321hqLGdM8qPmHYGAnKs0AK4GPmG0fVwTUDyZNl1IxZ3WObysGFgV ptzZONhLpah9pAJcs/qnobet/P9skt5FaqbRVJUxR+SZT0aBVL8WKKiM+Rk/dLyMY40ZesOvw9mPn gOGPa5+mxY3gRGI+uZ+j0K8ouZJ/a/84oNcxnvaSCEnpfLrv3ZlcN5RJcmjITuhOi7gsxhTHeCa+O uAUtFlPZQPm1fnfzJ4/pSPCDfddABCPSqLjIb0GbAiNRZYilVNHR9FypmfE6JLnKrc5ghP03hs46G 4MllZ5zbTr+yXw==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:64957 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVXE3-0001bb-D2; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 07:58:43 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: 57599@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2022 13:58:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Cou?= =?utf-8?Q?rt=C3=A8s=22's?= message of "Mon, 5 Sep 2022 18:09:29 +0200") Message-ID: <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org, Zhu Zihao X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, ECDSA and the NIST curves (and in fact a large part of NIST=E2=80=99s crypto standardization work=C2=B9) are actually considered with skepticism by some: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elliptic_Curve_Digital_Signature_Algorithm#= Concerns That makes me wonder whether supporting them is a good idea, after all. Evidently they=E2=80=99re not widely used in OpenPGP and not supporting them hasn=E2=80=99t been much of a problem, it seems. On one hand, we don=E2=80= =99t want Guix=E2=80=99s OpenPGP implementation to limit what users do with their Ope= nPGP keys; on the other hand, we don=E2=80=99t want to encourage algorithms that bring little to the table at best and are suspicious at worst. What do people think? Ludo=E2=80=99. =C2=B9 https://blog.cr.yp.to/20220805-nsa.html From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 06 11:29:13 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2022 15:29:14 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52345 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVaVl-0006aa-KC for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 11:29:13 -0400 Received: from mail-m974.mail.163.com ([123.126.97.4]:1252) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVaVg-0006Zv-No; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 11:29:12 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=163.com; s=s110527; h=From:Subject:Date:Message-ID:MIME-Version; bh=Fyn3r DIjzP/OhzS8WpK4DqZ1UCdxft0XFgdRex8ac8s=; b=imHX3Nw45df3schALVJqi 86b31I6LT8LcpcVFhV+KjfWZyK45gRqaKnCJewX9MghjwWM9NcXaUaJY813hXKXM Ob++ZQ73+zO+cgNHQ/X2ctWakx4P4tic8MMAkxpnIcvDFvoONOEu5rccBEqoXdPW cC1rd4bxqisq/Bp16WcvIU= Received: from asus-laptop (unknown [27.46.84.97]) by smtp4 (Coremail) with SMTP id HNxpCgBnDOw4ZxdjHzAhaw--.3788S2; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 23:28:57 +0800 (CST) References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> User-agent: mu4e 1.8.9; emacs 29.0.50 From: Zhu Zihao To: Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Subject: Re: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2022 23:26:19 +0800 In-reply-to: <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> Message-ID: <86sfl434lo.fsf@163.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-CM-TRANSID: HNxpCgBnDOw4ZxdjHzAhaw--.3788S2 X-Coremail-Antispam: 1Uf129KBjDUn29KB7ZKAUJUUUUU529EdanIXcx71UUUUU7v73 VFW2AGmfu7bjvjm3AaLaJ3UbIYCTnIWIevJa73UjIFyTuYvj4RYsjjUUUUU X-Originating-IP: [27.46.84.97] X-CM-SenderInfo: pdoosuxxwbztlvw6il2tof0z/xtbBoRl0r2I0UnTxRAAAsm X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org, 57599@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) My opinion: Maybe NSA recommend NIST family because they know how to get around it. But they also have to believe foreign government can't break it easily. -- Retrieve my PGP public key: gpg --recv-keys 481F5EEEBA425ADC13247C76A6E672D981B8E744 Zihao From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 06 12:10:22 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2022 16:10:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52443 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVb9Z-00083a-Uo for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 12:10:22 -0400 Received: from albert.telenet-ops.be ([195.130.137.90]:54056) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVb9V-00082z-5q for 57576@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 12:10:20 -0400 Received: from [IPV6:2a02:1811:8c09:9d00:5dba:d409:33f7:a16] ([IPv6:2a02:1811:8c09:9d00:5dba:d409:33f7:a16]) by albert.telenet-ops.be with bizsmtp id GgAF2800520ykKC06gAFQB; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 18:10:15 +0200 Message-ID: <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2022 18:10:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.12.0 Content-Language: en-US To: =?UTF-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=c3=a8s?= , 57599@debbugs.gnu.org References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> From: Maxime Devos Subject: Re: bug#57576: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. 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References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: =?utf-8?Q?D=C3=A9cadi?= 20 Fructidor an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution=2C?= jour de la Hotte X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2022 22:02:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> (Maxime Devos's message of "Tue, 6 Sep 2022 18:10:15 +0200") Message-ID: <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org, 57599@debbugs.gnu.org, Zhu Zihao , Andreas Enge X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, (Cc=E2=80=99ing Andreas for extra advice.) Maxime Devos skribis: > We disallow signing with SHA-1, because it is known to be vulnerable > and as there are alternatives that are considered good, even if this > limits what users can do with their OpenPGP keys. Right, we know it=E2=80=99s affordable to break SHA-1 these days. > In case of those curves, I'm not aware of any 'crytopgraphic proof' > (*) that the curves are vulnerable (unlike for SHA-1), but as noted in > =C2=B9 and elsewhere, there are other kinds of evidence that something is > wrong. It=E2=80=99s different from SHA-1 though: ECDSA is not known to be vulnerab= le, and AIUI we can=E2=80=99t tell that there=E2=80=99s a possibility NIST/NSA = has a backdoor as is the case for DualEC. However, the whole NIST design process is tainted. So my understanding is that it=E2=80=99s really a gray area. > Except for the different nature of the evidence of vulnerability, it > seems about the same situation to me. As such, I don't think we should > support them (some nice error messages like 'This algorithm [...] is > not supported yet=E2=80=99 or =E2=80=98This algorithm [...] is (likely/kn= own to be) > vulnerable=E2=80=99 would be good though!). Yes, that we can improve. :-) > An alternative option would be to allow the channel > .guix-authorization (of the previous commits, not the commit that is > about to be verified!) to decide what's considered a 'good algorithm' > (with some defaults) (with a field). Maybe we'll have to deprecate, > say, RSA or SHA-3 eventually, it would be nice to have a migration > method in place as early as possible, to minimise the risk of some > people doing a "guix pull" from a Guix that does not support that > field to a Guix or other channel that _does_ use that field. It=E2=80=99s tempting, but I=E2=80=99d rather avoid introducing such mechan= isms to keep things as simple as possible. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 06:34:11 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 10:34:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53553 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVsNn-0005I4-Dx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:34:11 -0400 Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([185.233.100.1]:35202) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVsNl-0005Ho-La; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:34:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50AEB1861; Wed, 7 Sep 2022 12:34:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at aquilenet.fr Received: from hera.aquilenet.fr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (hera.aquilenet.fr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UCs7ftoRkTry; Wed, 7 Sep 2022 12:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Received: from jurong (unknown [IPv6:2001:861:c4:f2f0:5c3:4f65:ddfe:6444]) by hera.aquilenet.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9E0C7639; Wed, 7 Sep 2022 12:34:02 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 12:34:01 +0200 From: Andreas Enge To: Ludovic =?iso-8859-15?Q?Court=E8s?= Subject: Re: bug#57576: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. Message-ID: References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57599@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxime Devos , Zhu Zihao , 57576@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hello, Am Tue, Sep 06, 2022 at 10:02:55PM +0200 schrieb Ludovic Courtès: > (Cc’ing Andreas for extra advice.) well, I agree with your analysis. There is no concrete evidence that the NIST curves may be flawed, and a general belief that not all crypto standards of NIST are flawed or backdoored... So it makes sense to accept the curves, but ultimately this is a political decision (and a personal decision about which type of key a user creates). 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On 06-09-2022 22:02, Ludovic Court=C3=A8= s wrote:
In case of those curves, I=
'm not aware of any 'crytopgraphic proof'
(*) that the curves are vulnerable (unlike for SHA-1), but as noted in
=C2=B9 and elsewhere, there are other kinds of evidence that something is=

wrong.

It=E2=80=99s different from =
SHA-1 though: ECDSA is not known to be vulnerable,
and AIUI we can=E2=80=99t tell that there=E2=80=99s a possibility NIST/NS=
A has a
backdoor as is the case for DualEC.  However, the whole NIST design
process is tainted.  So my understanding is that it=E2=80=99s really a gr=
ay
area.

In cryptography (and security), being a grey area and not known to be vulnerable is not sufficient -- rather, there has to be a reason for confidence that that the crypto is actually good and not-vulnerable for a decent amount of time.

Or, in other words, in cryptography and security there is no assumption of innocence -- rather, it starts with the assumption that anyone might be an attacker and whoever proposes a crypto thing has to convince others that their crypto is secure, and a communication party has to proof to the other party that they aren't an imposter (public key signing, with an previously agreed on key and algorithm).

Andreas wrote:

well, I agree with your an=
alysis. There is no concrete evidence that the
NIST curves may be flawed, and a general belief that not all crypto
standards of NIST are flawed or backdoored... So it makes sense to accept=

the curves, (and a personal decision about which type of key a user creat=
es).
I followed you right until the conclusion, it appears that you are starting from an assumption of innocence, which might explain our different conclusions?

Also, we _do_ have concrete evidence that the curves are flawed -- the website on the link mentions many issues in the process and it has been shown in the past that the NSA is in the habit of subverting communications (*).

(*) I can give some sources if you don't know of them already.
=

Channels are for sharing things between multiple people.=C2=A0 The= keys are for authenticating channels.=C2=A0 As multiple people are involved for a channel, this seems be be a non-personal decision by definition.

Greetings,
Maxime.

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Message-ID: References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> <86368af7-152b-f943-4ee6-e1471d3cb20c@telenet.be> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <86368af7-152b-f943-4ee6-e1471d3cb20c@telenet.be> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org, Ludovic =?iso-8859-15?Q?Court=E8s?= , 57599@debbugs.gnu.org, Zhu Zihao X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Am Wed, Sep 07, 2022 at 01:13:25PM +0200 schrieb Maxime Devos: > Also, we _do_ have concrete evidence that the curves are flawed -- the website > on the link mentions many issues in the process The website (you mean the blog by D. Bernstein?) also mentions the use of a hash function to arrive at the parameters. Maybe I overlooked something, but I did not find other mentions of the curves (but I did not read the page from A to Z). > past that the NSA is in the habit of subverting communications. But this is not concrete evidence that these curves are flawed. As far as is publicly known, there are a few weak (and sparse) classes of insecure elliptic curves, and the NIST curves do not belong to them. So the only way these curves could be flawed is that there is an unknown class of insecure curves, where the insecurity is known by the NSA. Then if this class is sufficiently dense, one could start with a random seed, hash the seed, and repeat until one obtains a weak instance; see this link by a well-known cryptologist https://miracl.com/blog/backdoors-in-nist-elliptic-curves/ and the link given there (to another post by Bernstein). This is possible, but speculation instead of evidence. Newer constructions are better, but not perfect; optimally one would want a process of "generation of public random numbers" as described here: https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/366 > Channels are for sharing things between multiple people.  The keys are for > authenticating channels.  As multiple people are involved for a channel, this > seems be be a non-personal decision by definition. I said "political", which fits well the setting of multiple people involved. And I meant this in opposition to "scientific", given the lack of evidence against the NIST curves. Andreas From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 08:51:35 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 12:51:35 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVuWl-0002eP-HF for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:51:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53400) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVuWk-0002eA-GN; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:51:34 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:54310) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVuWe-0007kg-F6; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:51:28 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=jTcG5OrLi3uuo6aMRrRSmeGvvdON/wwQzNujj73VViU=; b=mFDBNhJmGQ/AwBqHiv5Z /eYw8K+/bWoCzr092QVZQPWmHaJASvrg9O23LZfyFCVecVEYAVmzjnfEXVBUzqf0GjO5zXCU8cVIT WvuHZx1/KkTIJHjC5tb9NMoAJ60VH8LkZfWhFHoF3ZHsJzSdB9/i0mgz2aMBmnIukn9wQR8dNLnlk z6bO843wAcbIX8K+lbxv9plNkVhddF/7Fnla8tG673EWE3qr5EOkBQh7UeiIXlTtlJUZu/vZ0eimW deHS/W3M0IvaEet4fiioP0rasO+dC5wBUU4acGVynRprTW7AceMjfPV6759+S6wyMqpHLd+0By8Ta bh/yb31+hGd0Hw==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:56722 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oVuWd-0003Mh-OP; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:51:27 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: Andreas Enge Subject: Re: bug#57576: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> <86368af7-152b-f943-4ee6-e1471d3cb20c@telenet.be> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: Primidi 21 Fructidor an 230 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9v?= =?utf-8?Q?olution=2C?= jour de =?utf-8?Q?l'=C3=89glantier?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:51:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: (Andreas Enge's message of "Wed, 7 Sep 2022 14:02:37 +0200") Message-ID: <87bkrrs5yq.fsf@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57599@debbugs.gnu.org, Maxime Devos , Zhu Zihao , 57576@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi, Thanks a lot for the explanations, Andreas! As you write, the decision will be =E2=80=9Cpolitical=E2=80=9D as there=E2= =80=99s no scientific evidence to guide us. I=E2=80=99d like to see what other free software OpenPGP implementors decid= ed (primarily Sequoia; GnuPG/Libgcrypt implement them). Ludo=E2=80=99. 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In-Reply-To: <87bkrrs5yq.fsf@gnu.org> References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> <86368af7-152b-f943-4ee6-e1471d3cb20c@telenet.be> <87bkrrs5yq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 17:27:43 +0200 Message-ID: <86edwnyzkg.fsf@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: Maxime Devos , 57599@debbugs.gnu.org, Zhu Zihao , 57576@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi, On Wed, 07 Sep 2022 at 14:51, Ludovic Court=C3=A8s wrote: > I=E2=80=99d like to see what other free software OpenPGP implementors dec= ided > (primarily Sequoia; GnuPG/Libgcrypt implement them). Maybe related . Cheers, simon From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sat Sep 24 05:53:43 2022 Received: (at 57576) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Sep 2022 09:53:43 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42357 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oc1qw-0004Ik-SV for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 05:53:43 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49390) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oc1qv-0004IV-Mn; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 05:53:42 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:47690) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oc1qo-0003DK-OD; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 05:53:34 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=IPJLLxlP0kX9AfSf34u/PF0n+tQUOf4wBcIPuJPSoow=; b=UdYhl3Sn/Kntxf3+Tt1v 8txiNgad+M9zScd3r9NlWPDiEeDGxDqgO9zPuOPeDsLDed3RQ21X/qnRHv/FPag0gREBhftUML+BR XfMwD47/X0CVQZo82lsrTmkblwQxlrQMkGpxQI+rIF4GR2zBFaOtWfofe3O907Gc6W4SIUOmfYkz8 +3O1nbdsN5yf3OAzmfaqtMFH4RTjLLZG0/dkI0cY0YepLjYyS34uBPV94GO3B1EV4hHLlR79+O0Vo LA1ps1++6MTB9U/4Yr/vbSCJmevXOT61oHTX3+xOyNungKhjrY2t9/0OhiUaSR9vFBY9XvgEzvbI8 R7p0qH7NZ+b3LQ==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:49396 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oc1qo-0004Om-AL; Sat, 24 Sep 2022 05:53:34 -0400 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= To: 57599-done@debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#57599: [PATCH] openpgp: Add support for ECDSA with NIST curves. References: <87r10p3ixi.fsf@gnu.org> <20220905160929.21742-1-ludo@gnu.org> <8735d4zpcf.fsf_-_@gnu.org> <4b1f50af-9694-1439-2223-e9ef5ba7ecec@telenet.be> <87sfl4tgnk.fsf@gnu.org> <86368af7-152b-f943-4ee6-e1471d3cb20c@telenet.be> <87bkrrs5yq.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2022 11:53:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bkrrs5yq.fsf@gnu.org> ("Ludovic =?utf-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s=22'?= =?utf-8?Q?s?= message of "Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:51:25 +0200") Message-ID: <877d1tcd43.fsf_-_@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57576 Cc: 57576@debbugs.gnu.org, Andreas Enge , Maxime Devos , Zhu Zihao X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi! All things considered, I prefer to drop this patch. In the unlikely event that we=E2=80=99ll get more requests to support these curves, we can always revisit the issue. What we should do, though, is improve error reporting in case an unsupported curve or algorithm is encountered. Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99. 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