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In the thread for that bug report Alan Third (alan idiocy.org) wrote that the bug was fixed in Emacs 28, but that does not appear to be true. The unwanted behavior is the display at startup of an annoying warning which suggests something may break in the future. [BEGIN TERMINAL TRANSCRIPT] % emacs --version GNU Emacs 28.1 Copyright (C) 2022 Free Software Foundation, Inc. GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. You may redistribute copies of GNU Emacs under the terms of the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. % emacs -Q 2022-09-03 09:35:53.118 Emacs-x86_64-10_14[37072:11711478] It's not legal to call -layoutSubtreeIfNeeded on a view which is already being laid out. If you are implementing the view's -layout method, you can call -[super layout] instead. Break on void _NSDetectedLayoutRecursion(void) to debug. This will be logged only once. This may break in the future. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Bob Kline writes: > The unwanted behavior is the display at startup of an annoying warning > which suggests something may break in the future. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Bob Kline writes: > The unwanted behavior is the display at startup of an annoying warning > which suggests something may break in the future. [...] > 2022-09-03 09:35:53.118 Emacs-x86_64-10_14[37072:11711478] It's not > legal to call -layoutSubtreeIfNeeded on a view which is already being > laid out. If you are implementing the view's -layout method, you can > call -[super layout] instead. Break on void > _NSDetectedLayoutRecursion(void) to debug. This will be logged only > once. This may break in the future. [...] > In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS > appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95)) > of 2022-05-11 built on builder10-14.lan > Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.2113 > System Description: macOS 12.5.1 I tried this on my M1 Apple laptop, and I did not get this warning. 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Doesn't happen on my M1 laptop either. 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Content preview: Bob Kline writes: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 9:36 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> ... >> I tried this on my M1 Apple laptop, and I did not get this warning. >> ... > > Doesn't happen on my M1 laptop eithe [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Bob Kline writes: > On Sun, Sep 4, 2022 at 9:36 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote: >> ... >> I tried this on my M1 Apple laptop, and I did not get this warning. >> ... > > Doesn't happen on my M1 laptop either. Only on the Intel-based laptop > provided by one of my clients. Could this be due to the different appkit versions? I.e., 1671.60 vs 2113.60? > > In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.7.0, NS > > appkit-1671.60 Version 10.14.6 (Build 18G95)) > > [...] > > In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 2, aarch64-apple-darwin21.6.0, NS appkit-2113.60 Versi\ > on 12.5.1 (Build 21G83)) I can try to root out an Intel Apple laptop to test; I think I've got one here somewhere... 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID e422be8f9aa0711ab71dc40443a21e20; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 01:11:17 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup References: Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2022 09:11:12 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Sat, 3 Sep 2022 10:39:46 -0400") Message-ID: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20595 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 869 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > This is related to bug report 53481 > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=53481 > > I followed the instructions to unarchive that bug by sending a message > to control AT debbugs.gnu.org, with unarchive 53481 in the body, and > then emailing my followup to 53481 AT debbugs.gnu.org, but that appears > to have had no effect. > > In the thread for that bug report Alan Third (alan idiocy.org) > wrote that the bug was fixed in Emacs 28, but that does not appear to be > true. > > The unwanted behavior is the display at startup of an annoying warning > which suggests something may break in the future. We've already seen this in the font dialog, and that was a bug with Apple's own code, so could you please put a breakpoint on _NSDetectedLayoutRecursion, and show a backtrace from when it is set? Thanks. From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Tue Sep 06 09:46:03 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Sep 2022 13:46:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50189 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVYtv-0000je-NZ for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 09:46:03 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f45.google.com ([209.85.216.45]:38487) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVYtt-0000iu-RJ for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 09:46:02 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f45.google.com with SMTP id x1-20020a17090ab00100b001fda21bbc90so15017792pjq.3 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 06:46:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=ZENn3PuAanaOPUV/s3NekEvtSX7hXQNyWAzf7cGek8k=; b=SS/CrSfVeGtDBh/WOWMeqtkm3BbeJLgRL5BADQttonCYp7xx3rfMFzJdyLLEiwzyeD 54Hsj3HG+1cydVRPcAmWgXwl1HjVmcRhWlcqVmwYNghoUxevqj3jtyzoPNvyh7y+6DSc zJ41fBAHNR0GPZH3nwFYvRHJX4RdJhJaoHf2xY/7ZrxOFyC3wruN6I6KWy3DmRtwR+SY gc41t64LzPbGKIyTolI9/S2plc3FHutfrLbuOpuFYmKy/nVsAUqkdzrkraP4dVuYLB0N AZjlntgFgWKGAWtxziFm9RvrQ/wYqHJkbeqrlk9VgmF/RlBqWxj+bD3Zi3AzqHfizmsj 2QaQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=ZENn3PuAanaOPUV/s3NekEvtSX7hXQNyWAzf7cGek8k=; b=5V05NhO+RBZZYZAfDg8l3PvnyNrb6is5oIMHFb599pyNjEviAiJjjndSGCXgdXuC9b L6qBGTKNxvWftPRG5dLcNCTOEZRtF187PUm1Cm6yXKsdvKMp7lnV1Qqm/1XNZpejpSOt YKSRle9dPgxe8K4SAJm9xAoU7ypIIxxhd424Ar8o0U69FNJJlSVWWnAewu8KPWAsFJLG xm4x7Dd6BKt1XV5uYRiiwZY0S8HTD7WMEnk9hnZCZK/LASWQqt1BswLWri4QPYNAOkm3 tHa529eccw7A8+xk11zMHeEfpCKov7KRiTvlExHP61UnkuE9vmeRqyCS7Y1SnQtbsbjC n65Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo2vS9ws2HH+blfdHVaUuqpFX8s96Wqp0UdDqjJd00722TdMXn2f zTaA6yghswGiWFg6YesKoscznp/vIpn5BFgho4X2aA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6uD/sDr/RXhzGaABwAv7S9fqkrmNdK2+oEzuGgd6AEUD/7tVap6D/5lk6w93XxJ8rAS6ZGtiwkBTyNfUGQnHE= X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:6a83:b0:200:9da5:d0e7 with SMTP id u3-20020a17090a6a8300b002009da5d0e7mr3495649pjj.187.1662471955896; Tue, 06 Sep 2022 06:45:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Bob Kline Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2022 09:45:42 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Mon, Sep 5, 2022 at 9:11 PM Po Lu wrote: > ... could you please put a breakpoint on > _NSDetectedLayoutRecursion, and show a backtrace from when it is set? I'm happy to provide whatever information is needed, but I'll need more detailed instructions. I haven't done any Mac software development since the previous century, well before OS X. 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I haven't done any Mac software > development since the previous century, well before OS X. I'm not sure I know how to do that with lldb, unfortunately. Perhaps someone else can chime in at this point. 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[217.227.104.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id cn18-20020a0564020cb200b0044e1b4bca41sm6686406edb.79.2022.09.06.22.04.43 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 06 Sep 2022 22:04:43 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Po Lu Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> (Po Lu's message of "Wed, 07 Sep 2022 09:03:52 +0800") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:04:42 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: 57563@debbugs.gnu.org, Bob Kline X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Po Lu writes: > Bob Kline writes: > >> I'm happy to provide whatever information is needed, but I'll need >> more detailed instructions. I haven't done any Mac software >> development since the previous century, well before OS X. > > I'm not sure I know how to do that with lldb, unfortunately. Perhaps > someone else can chime in at this point. I think Bob is using x86_64, which GDB supports. Anyway, it's not much different for LLDB: As usual, the more debug info your Emacs executable contains, the better. Then, from where you built Emacs cd src lldb ./emacs (lldb) b _NSDetectedLayoutRecursion (lldb) run and when LLDB stops at the breakpoint, print the backtrace with (lldb) bt From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 08:18:04 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 12:18:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53742 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVu0K-0001ef-4A for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:18:04 -0400 Received: from mail-pj1-f53.google.com ([209.85.216.53]:37834) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVu0I-0001eB-My for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 08:18:03 -0400 Received: by mail-pj1-f53.google.com with SMTP id o2-20020a17090a9f8200b0020025a22208so10881656pjp.2 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 05:18:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=0WJV+TR04zGbKnXkSjNOQytGtip4qEYkfXDJFlq0FMU=; b=Z3nrtypuurbGdjkJRiiuIUhGS0yXh9+sVM9lqBMPOLZcU6bpmayZ0JBtHDu5oOvPcS XuMO5K9gC3WcfBSf4LyUpCBcowLdmOA1f5a/6LX8an6jK7DS3IL8UZnbEmNx/HZRyud4 /fos2IuuGsapl0SXhfWcRw5d9PBvIxLQ+X+Y2UQrgC9X5dKLErm6ah8aXgu93D2XHKFw ZOrIj4SYscjIDcBADvcC/Zf+lubPh96weParfW/bxc+F+CqW2BbCDcUbZqD6w3lrOMX5 h17phmpW8sgmS72hhteQVQ3dw8feDr981KdPEKMIhzEgZRxg9nw5m978mKiWSCTI25Td Je0g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=0WJV+TR04zGbKnXkSjNOQytGtip4qEYkfXDJFlq0FMU=; b=qFzz/XVxQTZjnJ7ASeMEfu+laI/MLShmMGI0vHkKt5Ede13bFZSiRAXKcABSmbhYI+ IXVqG5/oKEwNohwxaU2GpEK8sUNNDIWi6obep6wZbXgyfFq67hj0kBKCPcyDwzppZHj9 MLKpwfN5D88fn2iX8Ly200Se5zydnre3vt1WZEarZHozerD1PTn5ShEtd7fUpBzBEptE k+BANcszm0qP2L5p9vd7ztVcjET0UJ6LZtSOGdp/sTpV55pOzvgfgjliPkWVLVk5s0xY 3b9wvnwznIfT95vPif6YQPFWhrCKb0ss1FMUZdbhSLB68fVLkA14DE/zrz3wu6YfNsvR cjkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo2PcpKUKgvY0j3TeUtS31E9/W073vhEVf2iIeaYS5AKVtcVkvKF qTQy+bY2RCjY2ldX9I3I9nAe68sy/Cg3b3bGC4KVHQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7CmXS2yxTxnB308MsavOguCuwCfkOBx1OrhSC2hwZtpsVj9Q+Nmvj1ct1CB8QcbXSEVGLXqSMq7MFcXjoHDG4= X-Received: by 2002:a17:902:bc44:b0:176:909f:f636 with SMTP id t4-20020a170902bc4400b00176909ff636mr3329381plz.21.1662553076753; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 05:17:56 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bob Kline Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 08:17:44 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 1:04 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > ... from where you built Emacs ... I didn't build emacs myself, I installed it with "brew install --cask --no-quarantine emacs." I did try gdb, but gdb didn't recognize emacs as an executable. I tried following your instructions using lldb, and I was actually able to set the breakpoint (so enough usable symbols were present for the debugger to find the address for the breakpoint), but "run" failed ("Not allowed to attach to process"). 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I did try gdb, but gdb didn't recognize emacs > as an executable. I tried following your instructions using lldb, and > I was actually able to set the breakpoint (so enough usable symbols > were present for the debugger to find the address for the breakpoint), > but "run" failed ("Not allowed to attach to process"). What does "DevToolsSecurity -status" say? If it doesn't say "enabled", maybe "sudo DevToolsSecurity -enable" helps. (You can see what it does with "man ...". 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If it doesn't say "enabled", > maybe "sudo DevToolsSecurity -enable" helps. ... It was disabled, and I was able to enable it, but the "run" command failed with the same error message. That error message goes on to say "Look in the console messages (Console.app), near the debugserver entries, when the attach failed. The subsystem that denied the attach permission will likely have logged an informative message about why it was denied." However, I can find no "debugserver" entries in any of the console logs, or any entries which seem even remotely related. 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[217.227.104.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q7-20020a170906144700b007389c5a45f0sm8438809ejc.148.2022.09.07.05.56.31 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 07 Sep 2022 05:56:31 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Wed, 7 Sep 2022 08:47:36 -0400") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:56:31 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 8:28 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: >> ... >> What does "DevToolsSecurity -status" say? If it doesn't say "enabled", >> maybe "sudo DevToolsSecurity -enable" helps. ... > > It was disabled, and I was able to enable it, but the "run" command > failed with the same error message. That error message goes on to say > "Look in the console messages (Console.app), near the debugserver > entries, when the attach failed. The subsystem that denied the attach > permission will likely have logged an informative message about why it > was denied." However, I can find no "debugserver" entries in any of > the console logs, or any entries which seem even remotely related. Hm, guessing... 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Yes, it is. 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If it doesn't say "enable= d", >> maybe "sudo DevToolsSecurity -enable" helps. ... Bob> It was disabled, and I was able to enable it, but the "run" command Bob> failed with the same error message. That error message goes on to = say Bob> "Look in the console messages (Console.app), near the debugserver Bob> entries, when the attach failed. The subsystem that denied the at= tach Bob> permission will likely have logged an informative message about wh= y it Bob> was denied." However, I can find no "debugserver" entries in any of Bob> the console logs, or any entries which seem even remotely related. DevToolsSecurity -enable turns off the password prompting for accounts which are allowed to run devtools. You still need to match the configured policy, which is normally being a member of the _developer or admin groups. You can check which it is by doing DevToolsSecurity -status -verbose Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 09:11:20 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 13:11:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54045 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVups-0005RD-Fb for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 09:11:20 -0400 Received: from mail-pf1-f175.google.com ([209.85.210.175]:36721) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVupp-0005Qw-Rr for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 09:11:18 -0400 Received: by mail-pf1-f175.google.com with SMTP id y136so9641395pfb.3 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:11:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=PGFBnCrSY/UhIzC8C5JvXBMlvt2oSSfL6TGd9dLr84g=; b=jgrNOzgr0ApsdkGSxBqh9HIRX8GF5g90zncfUJxKidgbzUqNhpKJEvA/7v3RrpvTmD 2SOZk7SUJkaOWflLgdN4mDCRxdknHTGr6inFeCIhy7/e7CxQB5ye1hgSEhiWG1m5eSFA v28DFN1j+UPNrSqyjr4JEnbqi00tsNop3urhGFqKKBiMStdeHNRtnQvznyWX2gqeGmC2 VppMSK6it11x/6C/TxgveyKrhrN0//jFLmfJBmOFjRLIbM/Dd3v/0mlu3uU6K91kqQH7 w0Y3bvuBUv8STbbaL0/RJnojBWtZx2ZNMCl6bgQyoHau0tTLebC6yNsOiOavxBoGBWDl r7Hw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=PGFBnCrSY/UhIzC8C5JvXBMlvt2oSSfL6TGd9dLr84g=; b=MBmyBNoG88NrGrSC8Gwk2pP0eOLBwNt8yVWR0XHqtVRsVMPQFLoryde6ITi7tV8IP7 Yu5IrjRuBYiF7/lYSMHZQ8mcecRJuCoUcNpWbpoHq1/iBb+oCaeTOZGT6yCM5GhH0PwU S3ImmWZDDIPUQykmK7Z3yWH5eokBG1NsajvrOClEXp0vbQowkllpb7PHDnReeugW7SPi Zvs4z2x8mRikp5t6ZS7O7ORhYGb9P+s6+usNpmUSlwMB8ZzpWQbcE4fjjDALLlky7bAZ agH61m08GNEYPywwwKnLRK7gUuwhpKdTm+ERw+pY1p9U98/6W49pUnRRNy8G8BGW4eh3 eZ/g== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo159o53mWj0YeYsgyN2nLF1ETflCIFMA6Udx6DJyBg/OporXJ3g FnLqb0PTH+lZSgPQAeI7aPTp1N7KEgBuV8q41bAT2g== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5tBVOBmrt2gkVc5KaoR5umADkH0BxVn9ZfM5GmBHn9oiOhQBGNNzDXpC6//qc0yBb2FrnLrmZC1vrM8v3kw1w= X-Received: by 2002:a62:3303:0:b0:53e:30a2:8fb6 with SMTP id z3-20020a623303000000b0053e30a28fb6mr3799818pfz.39.1662556271927; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:11:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> From: Bob Kline Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 09:10:59 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: Robert Pluim Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= , Po Lu , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:03 AM Robert Pluim wrote: > ... 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You still need to match the >> configured policy, which is normally being a member of the _developer >> or admin groups. Bob> I'm in both groups. And that matches what 'DevToolsSecurity -status -verbose' says? If so, I=CA=BCm out of ideas. 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[217.227.104.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id gk3-20020a17090790c300b0076f0a723f6bsm2684668ejb.58.2022.09.07.06.41.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:41:02 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Robert Pluim Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> (Robert Pluim's message of "Wed, 07 Sep 2022 15:19:34 +0200") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 15:41:01 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org, Bob Kline X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Robert Pluim writes: >>>>>> On Wed, 7 Sep 2022 09:10:59 -0400, Bob Kline = said: > > Bob> On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:03 AM Robert Pluim w= rote: > >> ... You still need to match the > >> configured policy, which is normally being a member of the _develo= per > >> or admin groups. > > Bob> I'm in both groups. > > And that matches what 'DevToolsSecurity -status -verbose' says? If so, > I=CA=BCm out of ideas. Hm, yeah. It could be a missing get-task-allow entitlement for the Homebrew Emacs executable, in which case debugserver (part of LLDB) cannot attach to the Emacs process. I've heard something like that in different contexts from other developes, but I don't know how they fixed it. Any change you can build Emacs yourself, Bob? 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[217.227.104.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n10-20020aa7c78a000000b00445e930e20esm10503723eds.64.2022.09.07.06.45.16 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:45:17 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Wed, 7 Sep 2022 09:22:05 -0400") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 07 Sep 2022 15:45:16 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:19 AM Robert Pluim wrote: >> ... >> And that matches what 'DevToolsSecurity -status -verbose' says? > > Here's the rule: > "rule" : { "is-admin", "is-developer", "authenticate-developer" } That's what I see, too. 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I'll give it a shot. I've built my own emacs on Linux, but it's been more than a quarter century since I've done any serious development for Mac software. Might take a day or two (assuming I succeed). 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[217.227.104.79]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p23-20020a056402045700b0044792480994sm10759085edw.68.2022.09.07.06.58.37 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 07 Sep 2022 06:58:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 15:58:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.15; rv:91.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/91.13.0 Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup Content-Language: en-US To: Bob Kline References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> From: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=c3=b6llmann?= In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On 22-09-07 15:48 , Bob Kline wrote: > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:41 AM Gerd Möllmann wrote: >> ... >> Any change you can build Emacs yourself, Bob? > > I'll give it a shot. I've built my own emacs on Linux, but it's been > more than a quarter century since I've done any serious development > for Mac software. Might take a day or two (assuming I succeed). This worked for me a while ago (shell scripts and so on, using Homebrew): https://github.com/jimeh/build-emacs-for-macos From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 10:18:21 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 14:18:21 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55769 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVvsj-0001Ep-H5 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:18:21 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f172.google.com ([209.85.215.172]:41476) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVvsh-0001Ea-Bs for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 10:18:19 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f172.google.com with SMTP id 202so13704622pgc.8 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:18:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=+cZ0+FaTeLuktH9gn1N9JE3dYLaelkZIrH56C+NFSxo=; b=6OneUELFK4Fm8RPAB/Fi0Q7Z7rODIZQ7PMPGmpR8QETBxxzrBLAUvj6V/cludeYyA/ e0fkbbzEMFgPIk6Bk4Gvs0AXMGrdp3IMiVcPlKTmPFsl/9yaNLrpGlNdFOWHIP0Zd3Ar oxEyrklNN/aa+RzKw0QwD4sSnFXD5cUYrDGvxIgETA+W/wuVn5XfneEKfYBJkk0UDoEn mgH3YGkBMDUSQQe7L+gemts0P0iYPIKldtB/7W3kg7dtqIQZKBRVg4W/rQoIQl2ReJXU 7RuP+nLVD8zgzsIRWeijbf+gRiPtYaU1YSR08Zh21CHJLfiOr/1zWTHBJWFim4q6My4N FXQg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=+cZ0+FaTeLuktH9gn1N9JE3dYLaelkZIrH56C+NFSxo=; b=NKFxDS830hSuyzGrB9GC9hhn36NHprAFr5mszbdi/dNVE6Xmrd7yTnoAcMCo3hdy8z tqbwXNOhaint+29nFIiayLSWemgg2b0B6E0son5r4b2PMSuyI4SA9azjtRM23pCNiCM4 PFgbBLjQEy5x3MyaW9qgG+cFSNEiZZVsXJeWdSci73SehdD4c2PvtHvp8jboYyAN+gk1 v+ZXg27TxEkhg5P2+lKCtWA4WhMcYA6l0nki32+jsvnMjuSHoAnnuBaFfhOb3/SkIcJQ +pAYXDvybZJfQTMU4otdKhpbVaw1HK/W2cy+/rP8WhWr3SOuZpgNfS+4lzn9P0NjSq93 RV5Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0Yzhq0ziYAd5TSFTvwHuJT8hi5PK405a5fEPmT2SxmVBNC2SUJ 9FN4mlNqNS840I6wF8QFpLS/X4y2WX7Xajib96oDxg== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR65QwfllgDCs3wrrMDfQ4b5NdvVEPAhPbbvb3MlOBqzurUoWtHBuvKfIZzuqJOF6NLEROhj84YHTYM5s9StokY= X-Received: by 2002:a63:5209:0:b0:434:9e1a:bdba with SMTP id g9-20020a635209000000b004349e1abdbamr3687678pgb.297.1662560293482; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 07:18:13 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bob Kline Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 10:18:01 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:58 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > ... > This worked for me a while ago (shell scripts and so on, using Homebrew): > > https://github.com/jimeh/build-emacs-for-macos Awesome, thanks! From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Wed Sep 07 14:01:23 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Sep 2022 18:01:23 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56138 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVzMZ-00078U-3s for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:01:23 -0400 Received: from mail-pg1-f176.google.com ([209.85.215.176]:35340) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oVzMY-00078J-47 for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 14:01:22 -0400 Received: by mail-pg1-f176.google.com with SMTP id t65so3382572pgt.2 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:01:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=adge/odJ9siwkbMEG0P3Dagb/C+KBdPMmk0Vr3aTwVA=; b=ZVT9V546ej6T5zL2dv/h8v659G2ASFs/5YznYZb+yScsIu1ufuDBIfd+B2ATsBL36x FTj3pRAchBvgnj4qNau0WUkDRiIJmAe4RrPaRvWrLM7SfxkU4QAxWde6kjdh16vSzwcW 9Wb9jzhwg1bpFC3+KVeUc6Np0gD0LKwpxcocky84GSasO5vWBD4Hvbb/uIXU+2uzF1we TCE4yZ0R2FNVPpbLYkPJk4xHdsFvSfLYUKVWcNMMSyx2L/DgPSWJVEnFcdALjFyUBjJv zbSg8IrulDCjNpG2Wdp3Mls7AgHUm9YnsD3S6nWH0cFA+WM/tWTn33Hls+sGIdXBfT+Y dnUg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=adge/odJ9siwkbMEG0P3Dagb/C+KBdPMmk0Vr3aTwVA=; b=qge/iCYgTbS0IbPyKjz/IiHpnIqcIGQngRRcu+X20Ypky3i81+6jdP4KxJbdgKv11W NJD0CJLKmf9BKFH8vuDnlq5i/RiyL2dUGVf1LNOLY+i9M70lcAnh8Ho0sRzkmSJmYh5J psCwrlkr0AMVShE9FPYQ1rBj/zziJnlgy/HzBL3Bvr7dJp2X/CezI2nYMYKvsq2PbTYv +WeZOHVIYVm/kMQYeR6VxslYz6244r/SXBQcTI4coGDq0iuUE2Dt7ChOLoi2L455Ao2s Z2RXtSMUH0ouqlPAvRuV/o0QXyhv2sTDOTddie7r4QIvdeS21cr4s7YhvEoZbQFLOxF3 TiQg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1UKKtOZA8fY5gNyFj3UmRdx43xh+IL293XHfCGp33JqHZDqJPp Kh+6/OJP4EpWzeUXvTkwtdIaWqqNjRjhp5FbM6oLig== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6/cxaY3VJLfInC6/+gNfVEl+iNzCclJtN0HDMQsfeJlJYwVkuBP8sq3N0MajDBR2I+2tHNHOp2CHJJmlDC0lA= X-Received: by 2002:a63:e504:0:b0:434:fff:398a with SMTP id r4-20020a63e504000000b004340fff398amr4474575pgh.615.1662573676154; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 11:01:16 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bob Kline Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2022 14:01:03 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:58 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > > On 22-09-07 15:48 , Bob Kline wrote: > > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 9:41 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: > >> ... > >> Any change you can build Emacs yourself, Bob? > > > > I'll give it a shot. I've built my own emacs on Linux, but it's been > > more than a quarter century since I've done any serious development > > for Mac software. Might take a day or two (assuming I succeed). > > This worked for me a while ago (shell scripts and so on, using Homebrew): > > https://github.com/jimeh/build-emacs-for-macos I was able to build emacs using that tool. It does not exhibit the unwanted behavior, which is both fortunate (I have an emacs without the bug) and unfortunate (we didn't get the information we hoped would help track down and eliminate the bug). The tool built version 29.0.50, so I suppose it's possible that the bug was in the emacs code, not in Apple's software, and it got fixed. Or the bug was in Apple's code, and the emacs developers came up (either intentionally or inadvertently) with a workaround. But I'm wandering into territory prohibited by the bug-reporting instructions (speculating about the cause of a bug), so I'll stop. =F0=9F=98=8E From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 08 01:02:11 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2022 05:02:11 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56952 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oW9g3-0000uf-5S for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 01:02:11 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f52.google.com ([209.85.218.52]:34578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oW9g1-0000uQ-6r for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 01:02:09 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f52.google.com with SMTP id y3so35390114ejc.1 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 22:02:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=/BUrehC7sbe38zZhL+oxjlxmtisvLHuafGK5+wi1quM=; b=Em8t+ZbvUvrmPmQTvktJOS9n9whNFQU6JFEeFdIimSWAYrz7tKryxIX6wCCN/kRN7F c4PUMSLqUC+cFg8n902CLFowj1D4sJv8eyuxN6032J/x1McMUNh6M09DjPjv7utvxK/0 6iohrTCqHyTUgZgX3b8h9rpkgMnuwDesqnVkSmnaSVimud70gLCfo80HSnq/MSo8Qle/ y6OtePDlaYnab2zKCgB+uqthwb5Z4Izmk5JFVYcr8S8yGvludP3UyaxgsDmFJt23CW86 i7VN+dH32vEmo0iJSQWAghBD2/c8HJOV0RedYIVQhi34bYBqeBTOHZDZLPQR1wJbm/Ml DbqA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date :references:in-reply-to:subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from :to:cc:subject:date; bh=/BUrehC7sbe38zZhL+oxjlxmtisvLHuafGK5+wi1quM=; b=vIe4lK+Bepi4MQ74JdKbnKEq12k7YblpO62hO4f1RzLYU5ShVJQtMqKzNY2avX1uZX RA6z1gv5P+aCMJEcpKelD3SITdPYQLuks4b+PKA7rQ2SXTvkwTqujfvTPDAniRVW4T4v 1bJabFXCHpfWxrfxSzNldUQb8cfdyyMzOgXOIMC9hyb3mgXJcg/jda0iSyT66Y1IRxoZ ezd+BlXvRkzoxNdAWBSdIZTbv/l4T8PD+9C9fLy7+ao+WxkQNKdwwrjrPpvHuJxgnpV0 7ABVZ+MvkskgU00ZnAp9EzgjBDlyn1q4RYPZHoIHmI8HXRf8DMV+TAyw7kqUXl5WXOld SFcA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo23aZ+pUswU3KutY7jR8xV608UxDN6OCzZGgDIUZJcl4l6TNkL8 4iJrkJtmJPDAW3h5HLTDhBKKJ++Gwpoe/A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6m2qtq5DySnTRMxQjpYKead+2nP0b0qEGsHy1Hi1hdu1mpKRtGY/gWKrz16gFAOmvtAqFtpA== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:970e:b0:731:4fb4:5f7b with SMTP id jg14-20020a170907970e00b007314fb45f7bmr4640150ejc.556.1662613322853; Wed, 07 Sep 2022 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mini.fritz.box (pd9e367ac.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [217.227.103.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id d13-20020a170906304d00b0073d65a95161sm714207ejd.222.2022.09.07.22.02.01 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Wed, 07 Sep 2022 22:02:02 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Wed, 7 Sep 2022 14:01:03 -0400") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:02:01 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > I was able to build emacs using that tool. It does not exhibit the > unwanted behavior, which is both fortunate (I have an emacs without > the bug) and unfortunate (we didn't get the information we hoped would > help track down and eliminate the bug). The tool built version > 29.0.50, so I suppose it's possible that the bug was in the emacs > code, not in Apple's software, and it got fixed. Or the bug was in > Apple's code, and the emacs developers came up (either intentionally > or inadvertently) with a workaround. But I'm wandering into territory > prohibited by the bug-reporting instructions (speculating about the > cause of a bug), so I'll stop. =F0=9F=98=8E Hehe. I think Po Lu will take over from here. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 0370a99b97c79e9e3a3194702a395282; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 08:25:53 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 16:25:48 +0800 In-Reply-To: ("Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llman?= =?utf-8?Q?n=22's?= message of "Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:02:01 +0200") Message-ID: <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20612 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1471 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org, Bob Kline X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Gerd M=C3=B6llmann writes: >> I was able to build emacs using that tool. It does not exhibit the >> unwanted behavior, which is both fortunate (I have an emacs without >> the bug) and unfortunate (we didn't get the information we hoped would >> help track down and eliminate the bug). The tool built version >> 29.0.50, so I suppose it's possible that the bug was in the emacs >> code, not in Apple's software, and it got fixed. Or the bug was in >> Apple's code, and the emacs developers came up (either intentionally >> or inadvertently) with a workaround. But I'm wandering into territory >> prohibited by the bug-reporting instructions (speculating about the >> cause of a bug), so I'll stop. =F0=9F=98=8E Bob, could you please try using "git bisect" to determine which change eliminated the unwanted warning? Basically, we know that master is good, but emacs-28 exhibits the bug. So you have to run the following commands in the Emacs repository, with git installed: $ git bisect start $ git bisect bad emacs-28 $ git bisect good master Every time it asks you to try a different revision, run: $ make extraclean $ and then, after you test the resulting Emacs binary: $ git bisect bad if the build does not exhibit the bug, or: $ git bisect good if it does. Hopefully, after repeating that procedure several times, the VCS will tell you exactly which commit fixed the bug. Thanks. 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No version built with the tool we've been using displays the unwanted warning (including emacs 28). On the other hand, "brew install homebrew/cask-versions/emacs-nightly" gives me emacs-29.0.50 WITH the warning. I did a little digging to try and find out which options were used for building emacs, but didn't have any luck. I suppose I could file a bug with the Homebrew folks. Anyone have any experience with that? 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[217.227.103.172]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id m5-20020adff385000000b00228c792aaaasm13505885wro.100.2022.09.08.06.19.47 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 08 Sep 2022 06:19:47 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Thu, 8 Sep 2022 09:04:21 -0400") References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 15:19:47 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 4:25 AM Po Lu wrote: >> ... >> Bob, could you please try using "git bisect" to determine which change >> eliminated the unwanted warning? >> ... > > No version built with the tool we've been using displays the unwanted > warning (including emacs 28). On the other hand, "brew install > homebrew/cask-versions/emacs-nightly" gives me emacs-29.0.50 WITH the > warning. I did a little digging to try and find out which options were > used for building emacs, but didn't have any luck. I suppose I could > file a bug with the Homebrew folks. Anyone have any experience with > that? I don't. The cask seems to come from emacsformacosx.com. Don't know what that is. Maybe you could find something there? > Is the Homebrew team as responsive as this one? =F0=9F=98=89 Never ;-) From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 08 09:35:33 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2022 13:35:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57729 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWHgr-0000DQ-Im for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:35:33 -0400 Received: from sonic308-56.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.31]:44103) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWHgp-0000DD-25 for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:35:32 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1662644123; bh=Ve9GeNgNgLl3CmIZP1L0e4UCRaQqcl7YFn2/yqH8gus=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject:Reply-To; b=k3JvNGvvDunw9eW2AFAvvjKcoclDmJbwWaBlWBoY/rmpHuT+/KwNwAFWDgvDvHSk9aGeONpZ9F17Ei5L6uPG3vqHiEI2ZxR7O2rfxZR8bGMKEhKPhS+C3+GIH5YU0HPZi82XQw/KiGdbXaHQpCh1CpqNh3pUjBvb3BxjxMK0fya5ZsL4dEWfeSPD+hGSHaOYBEzMqE3Uc+xS5iB3Bz8ydTmNrR+8bfjA32L5rp3bzzpoSBxDF6lses8R1AGj6H+lkdu777D3h9NEkxOZuiJQovGEZoQhgnO8oR0gR1kUAuYsmWnBJWdx3fekSh1SZUtawqjP/Uo5Pj9BmPDiRM39ig== X-SONIC-DKIM-SIGN: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s2048; t=1662644123; bh=8aTz++qG34tCKmDZeHyw3pO1i2LTEk3uujvtwbSVl08=; h=X-Sonic-MF:From:To:Subject:Date:From:Subject; b=Ykca1MHxVVvDMVF6Ox+AKvB9mvNxrihIOnK6K+Pas5JfKzv+X0ENsdQrTSToR+zvoFnkobc7RtZsUUViM+2ZuMUiH7zMviyp8xehD1wu8afLyM1bJ0OlyzT3xSpOV8D0Vh5WV4lu2cx7Vtj+xRupD3VBWbbyWS8GGLnqbg6HPDdEbKyLp91Ms3IdVFURsc4bswk8Db6ctK04X5BtzMOskfshfeUX5JakjdZp9Y6FVpVAkdPKq5M8Xfp+QnK79ZFZv8h0WTBwqxzqjzWWbGWO4dfJCXRKN0Se7Ko0GLRwO9sWYuIUf3eAvfV3ex8S1Jczfd6CqDRQDKqZ7yowjOgTXg== X-YMail-OSG: If4Qka0VM1lLdFKCOvHsGpqowGspJLQMTb5hjAZtU9Yb6B5sihGhiPbytXtg4sl gDVLVwrHBVRnR.avEbBXLxbfKk5yZynrwtUD4NABdsPr9zzinyg6H6IZbyqqqS.pMi5_J.uvBMMf LzvXhbL3qjvH.xXaIkK0U5Apecxetu0HxZ3V_3QHNRV.u9UE3wADl7BXCka1VC6M4rHUdH0_JuS3 81VaDKS08jbTOKek6br3yIa4sNKWgnoot8qTMslYuHaI0AtLCniaKk6Nm2UbGJ_Z8wJgJWFuOw8_ Y46h1lysGAhg63MVQmm8A2cpHJwMmmTDojur3K3gG7DI8QZmi_laxHhj.aoV7LGW9aK7NwJT0g6g uw0POKKif83mk3faN.Kbio6NMB525E3msSZgGBEAnVl5PahhT57zBlGZaVG7TtlAaHzLxKVaOOCC BvcsQMqcl1JsOSoKBxL59BhHvupau781kMqvt2E3S4W1aRzeya3rZzFXpgokXVyZT39OpyXwDdbQ F62FrJXgsvy8ceOo.5rv8CKR0cGq.8SzvinW2Oxjf1nBBkcmkwer7Q9QpDSR2jbA136b4pZpCwya xzpdNC3TiLi0n1o65Kc6KXAo3M1lTnxaVkvGhAoPk6vMtXnYgOxutTXfprAGw_Camp6NkTc7yEEC KD3tDhgCIE5rqZ36uGOWFgS7KPU8Ua1Hhp05ujlGqSMv1AcEJ0awWh8WFuZSReW4XyoPAM1_DPAs _rt3ASCOFV3DKV3x.OsD8km5Asw0iV9tLlaynK9T7Ys9oKSIJ6w7BqJvwYzXeVv2R35OwrvQ.TQM PDYaZ1OS_57aTm7vT.RB71QmQkJ5oGBBjQsyZCp0Bi6uNVH_IzisyhCujs9nznt_.FZ3g59ZhwS5 HSe0n_eodFRfSNxOWH8FYmEONEqDkI.X1RYTJrnOFWwLDpV8Tng4RZl7pG5wVkdl77mUKlnkn_07 WlGaBHEhU7dy1K9MzieyNOB_BOM.HEfkWMyH6BJ6jF57CH7fKMuBqBtWBwpPcV0QqyxVbtP2.EZh N_5Kox7Df4eGBXmIttCtPyNGutj2.aj.b0SGwcgxcvhfyYEO.oJsqjMSC5Vpx9TBH422IDI9SvI2 noQYzOx._iqrKgBZ7wW7J6g0jwqOUnqmajA5DUHKzvCib_JbbxvVSwO489pxWSyNDcnX9vWCCb9D ThlGMgcHUKCQUx0fXJFoYmyxlWdaTsdkEbrWJV2xvDEqsJug3o0Ikw.Dz9TIbHJJYzfTG7GpE2Vq FFqmAr5MUB9x9lgSA6S0anRUabBJhtduMCsU7H07_eV01NnxEsgoUlnXjxVnFhBW6N224wRlW.5Y Qj58nsUehGR1LiQNNtVNxN36.w2AKBHZ8ih7e.jNJO4DfpPMFlkl68u4icsef6Z.KhJNnRZXy6SI 8SaB_7se3MTr58cHN4B6cZuS.dYjUhsV7i4dCNvScNAZocSqoffqLEY8qhlFqxeZfC6j1MPKhEDX c2L4nL8Uv0u1DfqPDdpPQ7YY6rwvDILLEyIoRszrRX22A8xnSD2gBCPLTcVE8wuajV7VmbK9ebx0 XVdSAgnM9FV1DQB1Pg94umGZZIe5KPxBBmlxXOjA3.DzIwx7eUmcbf4dsn5tx_DBpgttbW0Mjcwh iJhPz3arhRSZyf3ozAftPTbrYNPoNuo9ilkhtbZTq6F3ZARaELRp1szWJp5h59Zax0VB3ehf7rD2 fMDOaQt1fg9wJPnDSmGnfFTEbXjfFSQbcmNgTrNeHti7PkGx1yn4Lajy5Kxfy_hhKDnUZ9M2.ODg MSoD4yLJk7LX3MSMXY_JiZ5cZCkVhtKrL6iZUgCpyU93dkDe45LL3sj6CLwgM374VitVZv.0JT6m _vxxRjoT8EudjiUKq2a3_HQjt3wZrXKVHn5uLFd7B4upC_WkL.9smYYF8sS5UU7LePNchs7OD60h vqxRxG3tVeZ7A770u3UJFNAZmiy751Uj8AaPt9myGz3ujHHeeHyTCUPFVBhwxVJRo_s5JHKFCga5 Zavf14IIQ5eCLo1ZVv0OOtQ90KqfRi7mVLGnYAZNvUYRacMaBZmNdNMTwov_vD15GkTbCjyRZPF2 LoZKBIk8Hx7IFOR1rHwDlPp5MkDuxFSRP68G1ZEkpWLvWvziJfGboRnelzYtwzZ1jSM7XrIFz.5M OHVWts5onGol5LuvRCC0SigH3b4D1Rxhd4_Nn8j2Ynyj7K5bf2iki8ioq0cIRwbUbnxO.dJQ4xzB W6LQZTWy6eQaMbn2ozCYh2QvXI_rmldvALgPWg9pyncsXtS2QhkQ8YeK6M_b5C.yjTjG5NHlER9N Ri6g9Ccsy8WE- X-Sonic-MF: Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic308.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 8 Sep 2022 13:35:23 +0000 Received: by hermes--canary-production-sg3-6bb8946c47-ts4tq (Yahoo Inc. Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID dcac6eac5fc2123a9ab561fbe2a5cc56; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 13:35:19 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Thu, 08 Sep 2022 21:35:11 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Thu, 8 Sep 2022 09:04:21 -0400") Message-ID: <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20612 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1037 X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > No version built with the tool we've been using displays the unwanted > warning (including emacs 28). On the other hand, "brew install > homebrew/cask-versions/emacs-nightly" gives me emacs-29.0.50 WITH the > warning. I did a little digging to try and find out which options were > used for building emacs, but didn't have any luck. I suppose I could > file a bug with the Homebrew folks. Anyone have any experience with > that? Is the Homebrew team as responsive as this one? =F0=9F=98=89 Maybe it could be related to the version of Mac OS that the Emacs binary was built on? There are two knobs, MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED and MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED, that change Emacs and operating system behavior. But I can never remember what they mean. What if you build Emacs with them defined to the same values that the Homebrew package was built with? I don't think you can obtain their values from binaries, so you will probably have to ask the person who built the Homebrew package. 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On the other hand, "brew install >> homebrew/cask-versions/emacs-nightly" gives me emacs-29.0.50 WITH the >> warning. I did a little digging to try and find out which options we= re >> used for building emacs, but didn't have any luck. I suppose I could >> file a bug with the Homebrew folks. Anyone have any experience with >> that? Is the Homebrew team as responsive as this one? =F0=9F=98=89 Po Lu> Maybe it could be related to the version of Mac OS that the Emac= s binary Po Lu> was built on? Po Lu> There are two knobs, MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED and Po Lu> MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED, that change Emacs and operating s= ystem Po Lu> behavior. But I can never remember what they mean. What if you= build Po Lu> Emacs with them defined to the same values that the Homebrew pac= kage was Po Lu> built with? emacssformacosx.com says they build on both macOS 10.10 and 10.14 and then bundle those two version together. I can=CA=BCt find the actual scripts used to produce the builds. =20=20=20=20 Po Lu> I don't think you can obtain their values from binaries, so you = will Po Lu> probably have to ask the person who built the Homebrew package. Yes Robert --=20 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 08 10:02:58 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2022 14:02:58 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59609 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWI7O-0005pE-1W for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 10:02:58 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-f176.google.com ([209.85.128.176]:46916) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWI7L-0005p0-QT for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 10:02:57 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-f176.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-3450a7358baso138033387b3.13 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:02:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=QSqzL2rmLps61e4wX0cm5BCQSQy6yoP47fv7qBXvT94=; b=i8rC2hq0whvybRRRtdM2/S3YLJekRCyhjha4wcjwwHoyPEwlmSN+VbFpF8fr3q73Fg swbKRqslCRMrmlEUA33PMUXPkl7p/2GqkPm46+aTzqq6jKFeBjCeT13OC16iDV6lEptt q+flwqAYe3RZ3hZWUZOLusNF5oK4fkGZMnj+nhnpsHywl2uTIQkT8P7sMj71kF2M0hOK aS4lcapF3xGpQaGwaeLYH6zsVTKeZWqJ1rFjWcCB4/39sSpv/xd86E0Zn5kWVIYFLWYW bB/ZH1oPbFAp+Bh4EZahQzkxqq27WzCt2NNB5b2SgN4GxLXGXD3acIbLx6nmbkIDbDBL ZrRA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=QSqzL2rmLps61e4wX0cm5BCQSQy6yoP47fv7qBXvT94=; b=0uaXKZtrlgdyZPAicIJXw/oOM1uRvTXMES3kd5YyNVbP/36urdNfhppn6D2ANguadP JwnBeoL/YZg4jJk+hc4oMmmSRE2lfu2fn7M6mQiyy11+WdTzDQJxpxZTCRuiywYIWQBE 8JipkEH6+7k26WS1KTY+5eGn/2tB5tXEVH/vM9LPyESsI0u3hc5qpxT5uMqAEkOEuLHT iRb5tKwksWxq5ZeXOJ6/9cU/Cc2X7JxBB5W1FBX9tD5XM1uz3+8EpVainYlxkUT5Zbvd 3JWQ8efSad8wumkvxu8tQ95X6R0TeZjZPK+SVzwD6a8Skyp3KGQu3jzm4KIQRgOrv5tm xZfg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo3AdKmSGsh20CjT/+G9tOAhsgsc2SmCCBRpi0FtXPQOW3uFG2F/ /rFq93AJwd1aVL8EgF7SdTXF5TXNHzQDGVFrZztbxA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4pNAeLeu1BKY4jkGHiVMt/6/FL6vWye8DEZAvQHo2FLstLO720h7XxIjQA8M+a7kV3iu7/Rh/G16eFazIMqoQ= X-Received: by 2002:a81:7cd7:0:b0:345:221c:5671 with SMTP id x206-20020a817cd7000000b00345221c5671mr7517825ywc.297.1662645769565; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 07:02:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> From: Bob Kline Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 10:02:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 9:35 AM Po Lu wrote: > ... > I don't think you can obtain their values from binaries, so you will > probably have to ask the person who built the Homebrew package. I'm digging into https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs (which has the scripts used by https://emacsformacosx.com/ for building emacs). From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Thu Sep 08 12:13:20 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Sep 2022 16:13:20 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59963 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWK9Y-0007Yl-BI for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 12:13:20 -0400 Received: from mail-yb1-f177.google.com ([209.85.219.177]:45914) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oWK9W-0007YY-Ll for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 12:13:19 -0400 Received: by mail-yb1-f177.google.com with SMTP id d189so24487768ybh.12 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:13:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Vcg2Qtze9pgAWwkpCbAT3DpmxN25imsg93HP2yJ6PLM=; b=qEKxfgObyt2/PTqcyFp+dU9tqmRAdWRl/e4VSgoJieOlvxalEMY7vbgX390j+rM4CZ Gwp6NFVrHZTnv3w1zKq96Ayze6FgMPm+66l8x1RSJRi1S3XkkBaSa/vqme/HMXyAhCZh rvYnZFgoS4ubmo2iItv2/77vVRY/gmGHPNsiAqyQMLeel4MpRp13lLbiLt9wRXMuTkUs ZsOWyDzAhpbUE9MUSigC2ntQeOb96WsXf23ih53qzaT6soUH9Hg4HQniG1Um1RrfwHax P/XIJqnc/iH3a56G7tAQiRo/egoVQ2HG0Hs8v59NOtjzdpCn8IDaDRBHHEXHZ/WJAOfG mfFw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=Vcg2Qtze9pgAWwkpCbAT3DpmxN25imsg93HP2yJ6PLM=; b=g94tC920pI8xxuKXxv+e1YFQehswreH1GdU24DvGYOskIp9QdN7K9S0p7GSM/Bf2bn QERG3SPo+CJQlmgW0JzydA70/9Y6jEuRrw5GkUOhqzyJl7go+gEnKwbnEOvnUgV3MsUm iOBo55mqYfpCLTSyB6TCXFpfZUBY22ojOMVCN9434bPWh8xE9OClWvYHoxDCO7S7yUt2 foa86WkUCbStxMVyK3jpV1qkt7zoSXlnfiBRCcxz+s+ortUFWFYH61aKcb/IuEOCP3IK 2YiJuKavF1YrzfUoPcn+dd93GDDJH2/mQC0wwYz9BwYmgAzoS42t8raI/CpXHEgd717s 26CQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1S/tNviIxesczVQZBuD0vlbLhq7qSIe/yP+NGqzXgjXhkVhqzm 41t9hKwZuxCEugOpjTuXCIkB/dZvxPqfeLDuwNTuVw== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR4uVUBZxQEoPvrRikJJRimNQRMebV5kQxnpw6psFU6Tuc1gmqIBqiEg9T49isrSkj1t2jBNROga3IHgDuxjh/Y= X-Received: by 2002:a25:1402:0:b0:6a8:f9e6:7869 with SMTP id 2-20020a251402000000b006a8f9e67869mr7824195ybu.462.1662653592940; Thu, 08 Sep 2022 09:13:12 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87h71lb93j.fsf@yahoo.com> <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bob Kline Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2022 12:12:57 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.6 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 10:02 AM Bob Kline wrote: > ... > I'm digging into https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs (which has > the scripts used by https://emacsformacosx.com/ for building emacs). Finally got emacs 28.1 built with that script. No spurious warning displayed. I'm baffled, as I thought that this script was producing the artifact which gets installed by "brew install --cask emacs." I see no evidence that either of the MAC_OS_X_VERSION_... macros are used by the build. 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[217.227.104.85]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id nb3-20020a1709071c8300b007303fe58eb2sm405382ejc.154.2022.09.08.22.02.27 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 08 Sep 2022 22:02:28 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Thu, 8 Sep 2022 16:00:01 -0400") References: <87tu5k9err.fsf@yahoo.com> <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 09 Sep 2022 07:02:27 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 12:12 PM Bob Kline wrote: >> ... I'm baffled ... > > I filed a ticket asking for the options used to build the artifacts > installed by homebrew. > > https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues/123 Thanks. I hope they'll tell how they codesign'ed their executable, and how to change it to let a debugger attach. 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I'm baffled ... >>=20 >> I filed a ticket asking for the options used to build the artifacts >> installed by homebrew. >>=20 >> https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues/123 Gerd> Thanks. Gerd> I hope they'll tell how they codesign'ed their executable, and ho= w to Gerd> change it to let a debugger attach. I couldn=CA=BCt find MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MIN_REQUIRED or MAC_OS_X_VERSION_MAX_ALLOWED in the homebrew building scripts, which means they=CA=BCre derived from /Library/Developer/CommandLineTools/SDKs/MacOSX.sdk/usr/include/Availabilit= yMacros.h, which means they depends on what version of macOS they use to build. 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He didn't really know how to modify the program so that the debugger could attach to it. He wrote > It's possible that bypassing Gatekeeper (requires a reboot) might let it = work. But I tried that, without any success. Oh, well. At least I know how to create an executable that behaves correctl= y. 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[217.227.107.212]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id p8-20020aa7d308000000b00443d657d8a4sm4964485edq.61.2022.09.11.22.58.18 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sun, 11 Sep 2022 22:58:19 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Sun, 11 Sep 2022 07:13:03 -0400") References: <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Mon, 12 Sep 2022 07:58:18 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 1:02 AM Gerd M=C3=B6llmann wrote: >> ... >> I hope they'll tell how they codesign'ed their executable, and how to >> change it to let a debugger attach. > > He didn't really know how to modify the program so that the debugger > could attach to it. He wrote > >> It's possible that bypassing Gatekeeper (requires a reboot) might let it= work. > > But I tried that, without any success. > > Oh, well. At least I know how to create an executable that behaves correc= tly. Meanwhile, I also tried with codesign --remove-signature and with adding entitlements with add_debug_entitlement.sh, which can be found on github, and both of these "worked" but had no positive effect. The first one macOS doesn't like at all, the application cannot be started anymore. And the second one worked in the sense that the entitlements were added, which can be seen with codesign -vdd --entitlements, but I still couldn't debug Emacs. I get to main, but then the application mysteriously exits without me being able to see why. So, as far as I'm concerned, I'm giving up. Would it be okay with you when we declare this a problem of other people, that is emacsformacosx.com, and close this bug? 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Sure. Not a wasted effort, as we've captured a workaround. Thanks for giving it a try. 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Not a wasted effort, as we've captured a workaround. Thanks for > giving it a try. Thanks. I'll close this bug, then. 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I'll close this bug, then. Sounds good. One final note: I'm a bit embarrassed that I hadn't noticed that the original bug report, which I linked at the top of this one, included the stack trace that was requested in this ticket. I still think closing this ticket is the right thing to do. I reproduced the bug on a different Intel MacBook, which I had scrubbed and on which the only third-party software I installed was Emacs from https://emacsformacosx.com/. That distribution of Emacs is built using three scripts: * one to retrieve the source tar * one to build the Emacs executables * one to roll the executables into a single launcher So what we know includes: * the bug has only been reported for Intel-based Macs * it can be reproduced on a pristine installation of Mac OS * the launcher built with the third script decides which platform version to launch * the bug always happens on Intel using that Rust launcher * it never happens running Emacs directly from the results of the second sc= ript I'm going to guess (oops, here I am again disregarding the bug-filing instructions) that the launcher is at least partially responsible for the unwanted behavior. I'm not saying there can't be some subtle flaw in the Emacs code on which the launcher has tripped, but it seems that for now at least, the ball's in someone else's court. https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues/123 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 16 01:56:39 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2022 05:56:39 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41251 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ4L9-0000xe-9l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 01:56:39 -0400 Received: from mail-ej1-f44.google.com ([209.85.218.44]:35606) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZ4L1-0000xL-BF for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 01:56:37 -0400 Received: by mail-ej1-f44.google.com with SMTP id go34so47032451ejc.2 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 22:56:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=wo9m4AW29n6HkUaHcwrmDS+oe107DnRlPRhLFgkOONM=; b=OPhGPSHHy6WaH38tvBXp5fSp8hrznKTQK1Gc5X5RrwKntpukCcrf3dywqf5XLJlIJH MdSaycbYPtG9as7o1bS/FZL44KKu0Q32XTgv4RVqbXrX82GP5uXwPjepqzxNPQcPqapy Uk2dDuHlq2dDvUbnuYd61UR7JH0zjXY6fAoBdJgBRNg0HgPK+nGVO+wwR559WoN0+4G8 WmoGB1iFxdhKwA8ILOuETpFUfGV39aX/mxm8Qm9cea0o1FL0leye04sDHdlrcb9VrnsI vNHG3vmdUfKe+kwFnAUyeXmeEuCVkuSl++3tvoCCBDNfYBC+XD+v77Zr/y2ixXnpy+v8 ZCRg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=mime-version:user-agent:message-id:date:references:in-reply-to :subject:cc:to:from:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=wo9m4AW29n6HkUaHcwrmDS+oe107DnRlPRhLFgkOONM=; b=jkOFJolB6wTDXIeKp4IMWRQJpAneZitioW+TW9fLvkglfK/+/eMgo/YzfQ3G/inhpa Y0rdUTtQ79xsLpx7l+aksLwHx/5xNwl3TMrRg16KKSL8MvDsj+X6Z9GGJMoipF4DZu1X 3QB7CUD1vs917h7IzkXQQiWBiiKCMAi4b6N/Ef3O8WX5PqqNsonsIMHZVtzT6iOxRLUf Ylx9j7lFkgJQ3/FXnGEu8zxrZCKZZGDBTYJ1O1pD3o2mrOHEfg0fLC0H3uSzsDCk576R /1YjHvexXLP+qU0gcVg3zPGHMDKIAyCaXRihfoxmplq9Rwhphhm+uNTj93HlQ9chaVAn qABQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf0l0bP8eVGJOlaYcgZJUauXyW56fdeD72359PJEO5QYH1bWr7+R 98DnSJqqmpbrGgoacSvIcGDru6MT/3ox5A== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM5mDVCffks/gzmfiDkEKpBEUR20LbsGhUYYi6KQGSMcVQoRqiu6pZHltsQ4mMtg6j1JSnY5uQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:907:70a:b0:750:bf91:caa3 with SMTP id xb10-20020a170907070a00b00750bf91caa3mr2407458ejb.711.1663307783880; Thu, 15 Sep 2022 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from Mini.fritz.box (pd9e36af3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de. [217.227.106.243]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id b10-20020a056402138a00b0044625884285sm12858181edv.49.2022.09.15.22.56.22 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Thu, 15 Sep 2022 22:56:23 -0700 (PDT) From: =?utf-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Thu, 15 Sep 2022 09:33:08 -0400") References: <87h71jbam3.fsf@gmail.com> <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:56:22 +0200 Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Po Lu , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > I'm going to guess (oops, here I am again disregarding the bug-filing > instructions) that the launcher is at least partially responsible for > the unwanted behavior. I'm not saying there can't be some subtle flaw > in the Emacs code on which the launcher has tripped, but it seems that > for now at least, the ball's in someone else's court. > > https://github.com/caldwell/build-emacs/issues/123 Thanks for the info, Bob. 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I got a quick response from the maintainer of the build scripts which feed into emacsformacosx.com (which is where homebrew gets its pre-built packages). He showed me how to figure out which Emacs executable the launcher will choose and how to run that executable directly, bypassing the launcher. I did so, and the bug still kicked in. So as my mental picture of what's going on slowly comes into better focus, what I think I'm seeing now is: * the build script creates three binaries: - one for arm64 macOS 11 - one for x86_64 macOS 10.11 - one for x86_64 macOS 10.14 * the launcher narrows the candidates to those matching the computer's architecture * the launcher eliminates candidates built for a newer OS version than the computer's * the launcher chooses and runs the candidate built for the most recent OS version * when I run that Emacs (x86_64 macOS 10.14) on my x86_64 macOS 12 I see th= e bug * when I run the build script on this machine I get Emacs built for x86_64 macOS 12 * when I execute that Emacs on this machine I don't see the bug So the launcher does not appear to be involved with the bug after all. MacOS 12 appears to be happy running an Emacs (any version) built on macOS 12, but unhappy running Emacs built on macOS 10.14. It seems plausible that the reason the bug doesn't surface on arm64 is that macOS 12 has no problems with an Emacs built on macOS 11, and the launcher can find a macOS 11 Emacs for arm64 but not for x86_64. I tried to set up a machine with macOS 10.14 or macOS 11 to see if the bug showed up there, but it seems that Apple doesn't want users installing older versions of macOS on their computers (Apple has instructions [1] for downloading installers for those versions, but when you follow the links you are taken to the Apple store where you can click "Get" and watch the download progress to the end followed by an error message saying that the installer was launched and failed, and instead of dropping the launcher into the file system so you can put it on some removable media the download is nowhere to be found, as far as I could see). I'll leave it up to you whether or not the bug should be reopened. As noted in an earlier comment, we do have the requested stack trace [2]. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID d65d44ebb09e964c44ba1c67dcda8aae; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 13:26:14 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup References: <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 21:26:07 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 09:16:48 -0400") Message-ID: <87v8pnv4b4.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20612 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 1346 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > So the launcher does not appear to be involved with the bug after all. > MacOS 12 appears to be happy running an Emacs (any version) built on > macOS 12, but unhappy running Emacs built on macOS 10.14. It seems > plausible that the reason the bug doesn't surface on arm64 is that > macOS 12 has no problems with an Emacs built on macOS 11, and the > launcher can find a macOS 11 Emacs for arm64 but not for x86_64. I > tried to set up a machine with macOS 10.14 or macOS 11 to see if the > bug showed up there, but it seems that Apple doesn't want users > installing older versions of macOS on their computers (Apple has > instructions [1] for downloading installers for those versions, but > when you follow the links you are taken to the Apple store where you > can click "Get" and watch the download progress to the end followed by > an error message saying that the installer was launched and failed, > and instead of dropping the launcher into the file system so you can > put it on some removable media the download is nowhere to be found, as > far as I could see). I guess that means we do something different when the min version macro is set to 10.14 or earlier. Or maybe if the max version macro is set to 10.14 or later - is Mac OS 12 newer than OS X 10.12, or are both of these the same? 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The current version of macOS is 12.6 (macOS Monterey), released last Fall, whereas macOS 10.12 is macOS Sierra, released in September 2016. https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=53481#5 From debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Fri Sep 16 10:33:33 2022 Received: (at 57563) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Sep 2022 14:33:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43880 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZCPM-00015P-P2 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:33:33 -0400 Received: from mail-yw1-f174.google.com ([209.85.128.174]:35578) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oZCPK-00015C-Rb for 57563@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:33:32 -0400 Received: by mail-yw1-f174.google.com with SMTP id 00721157ae682-3454e58fe53so262285977b3.2 for <57563@debbugs.gnu.org>; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:33:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=rksystems-com.20210112.gappssmtp.com; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date; bh=nhdr0W9rh+M1rWGpVdRnZ+XDjIYTN992iaxbaqHRTec=; b=zSpaVz8IUxJL+CyKITJibSxuYtDDX5hXTySlb9sF9CMzzX1G7AmsRKo6FmQEnMgi1A l3D4nm/P28AH7/nTS5K9vVqxZxde9Se3tq58J6f3Y23NLoZzF1K31qePZ6uVHwk9zvq7 XBK3HbArJYtJuwqi9p2H+u5Pno2nXyc0HV+0tDqp56imY5m/mFuebNgQDV4J758nFAiv HtsnKqQypWlZWnJBh7wcn0RFQQRugbAtwQhkcVj/LOgaDBGn6N/jtnxmqC0we7EPmnYM k+enVDrm4NRJXR0jXuBQZQ0xnby+4tQgAP3xwP6kn2VhhH9FQfV1i/GoirBrT7tmaFnK RP1g== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=content-transfer-encoding:cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc :subject:date; bh=nhdr0W9rh+M1rWGpVdRnZ+XDjIYTN992iaxbaqHRTec=; b=BK0cWPCNdZCCg6YjTex3iRpN5tY8qoGHkU1AlzXB+3JhZlQlWe9hq/YxoW7DCXld4i vZTFQM6qAxglgld8oNDP6uMe7iLMVm64/LJe29p9zbwBuHReWDkqI/ivTuug8/C3Y+Fy 24Ve8N2Ui5iU5rD9BSzEclFaiKHECHsJprmtoJHKRBgzDonZLWPsIXkfyy6fHvXcNron dMjLgPWJXnKHyT0S24f5cXdXEhoQxOztNq2QPM1lo6sdlOvsz5+D/7m0Bn4cRHUMLaNT 2lQHiKuLhtO1A3tXt9xHNPBemVP5taTASUsRndgYrNpOP7KiIKg3+nSbwfOdLW2uqunh 56+w== X-Gm-Message-State: ACrzQf35Q5J765UAxxUqPifd6MYBkgcHH1WB0fMKpd+fn98XzOXvFkVY YzCb1hyS5K4kmZzuS40f5dl3sajVTnbV6nyZ5CoGfQ== X-Google-Smtp-Source: AMsMyM4n9UEtzwaPDNlnfsPMo8JKkdkd29dKLjG21PSCEiYi+72I2HClWIrv5FIF+PWL3q0aaTXOHJerV4Qwb2/jZkM= X-Received: by 2002:a81:38d:0:b0:348:b184:cedc with SMTP id 135-20020a81038d000000b00348b184cedcmr4468768ywd.175.1663338805196; Fri, 16 Sep 2022 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87a67bb9uh.fsf@gmail.com> <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v8pnv4b4.fsf@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: From: Bob Kline Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:33:14 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup To: Po Lu Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Gerd_M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) On Fri, Sep 16, 2022 at 9:41 AM Bob Kline wrote: > ... > The current version of macOS is 12.6 (macOS Monterey), released last > Fall, whereas macOS 10.12 is macOS Sierra, released in September 2016. > > https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D53481#5 Oops, sorry, I had the wrong URL in my clipboard and didn't notice. It should have been: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201260 Basically, "OS X" and "macOS" do not represent different version numbering series. They're just different prefix names applied by Apple to the one version numbering series used over the past couple of decades or so. See the "Is there any difference between Mac OS X and macOS?" paragraph near the top of https://setapp.com/how-to/full-list-of-all-macos-versions. Apologies for the confusion. 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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID f9f800315ce9bf470bd872e9526bec76; Sat, 17 Sep 2022 01:57:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Po Lu To: Bob Kline Subject: Re: bug#57563: 28.1; macOS - layout warning at startup References: <87zgfa8e7n.fsf@yahoo.com> <87k06e7zw0.fsf@yahoo.com> <87v8pnv4b4.fsf@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2022 09:57:26 +0800 In-Reply-To: (Bob Kline's message of "Fri, 16 Sep 2022 10:33:14 -0400") Message-ID: <87illmvk3d.fsf@yahoo.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.20612 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 660 X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57563 Cc: Gerd =?utf-8?Q?M=C3=B6llmann?= , Robert Pluim , 57563@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Bob Kline writes: > Oops, sorry, I had the wrong URL in my clipboard and didn't notice. It > should have been: > > https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT201260 > > Basically, "OS X" and "macOS" do not represent different version > numbering series. They're just different prefix names applied by Apple > to the one version numbering series used over the past couple of > decades or so. See the "Is there any difference between Mac OS X and > macOS?" paragraph near the top of > https://setapp.com/how-to/full-list-of-all-macos-versions. > > Apologies for the confusion. (And I'm sure Apple offers the same apology.= ) =F0=9F=98=89 Thanks. From unknown Mon Aug 18 14:25:36 2025 Received: (at fakecontrol) by fakecontrolmessage; To: internal_control@debbugs.gnu.org From: Debbugs Internal Request Subject: Internal Control Message-Id: bug archived. Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2022 11:24:09 +0000 User-Agent: Fakemail v42.6.9 # This is a fake control message. # # The action: # bug archived. thanks # This fakemail brought to you by your local debbugs # administrator