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envelope-from=drew.adams@oracle.com; helo=mx0a-00069f02.pphosted.com X-Spam_score_int: -26 X-Spam_score: -2.7 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, GAPPY_SUBJECT=0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) Dunno, but this seems like a bug (you decide): https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/73390/ `C-c' is a prefix key bound to `mode-specific-map', but it seems to be set up in C source code. `C-c C-x' is apparently defined (unlike, say, `C-c C-x 4') as a prefix key, but it's not clear what its keymap is (and it's apparently empty by default). Dunno what changes should be made, to make clear to users what the story is - why, for example, `C-c C-x' just waits for another key, even though there's no such key defined in the keymap. Maybe this is a more general "problem", for empty prefix keys? Or is it a result of the prefix being defined in C? In GNU Emacs 28.1 (build 2, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2022-04-21 built on AVALON Windowing system distributor 'Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.19044 System Description: Microsoft Windows 10 Pro (v10.0.2009.19044.1889) Configured using: 'configure --with-modules --without-dbus --with-native-compilation --without-compress-install CFLAGS=3D-O2' Configured features: ACL GIF GMP GNUTLS HARFBUZZ JPEG JSON LCMS2 LIBXML2 MODULES NATIVE_COMP NOTIFY W32NOTIFY PDUMPER PNG RSVG SOUND THREADS TIFF TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS XPM ZLIB (NATIVE_COMP present but libgccjit not available) Important settings: value of $LANG: ENU locale-coding-system: cp1252 From unknown Tue Jun 17 01:47:26 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57529: 28.1; `C-c C-x' prefix key and keymap, `C-c C-x C-h' Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 18:43:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57529 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Drew Adams Cc: 57529@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57529-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57529.166205773621872 (code B ref 57529); Thu, 01 Sep 2022 18:43:01 +0000 Received: (at 57529) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Sep 2022 18:42:16 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oTp8q-0005gi-H8 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 14:42:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53222) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oTp8o-0005gU-Pz for 57529@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 14:42:15 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oTp8i-0003mT-IV; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 14:42:08 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=FAWuugVCd5FxFeYBzgAkJJExdCT5q1g7ISibaWAA+9I=; b=dMCa+AilJjAN xwbpUNCihatTlOro8As3tsgv1AphNHUEz3mFqGkgxH5rvg54H2A7o/sBpW0TH1PdWjsR4dOsZmxpN e9YAJgyhe/5wfazn1AsiSCuWPUNR2W38O9IWkQ73EYZimaHiiAh2aw3d7elkgQM5in2c/H+emcCG5 TI0+K45666bQH6Oe5fhDvruN8I1jnKLFYk99n8Rm5bKSIMZLjYwhW8EYBc2hBG2V6WmG9pXTpgl+j PtkOsvBTvEGwLM+r2e9WX8ES77ZS26unq+a6i1tmmDTLJIRcGNVe9dgsKpgPUuxSSinUoD6Dl6jCr G4xSyPF1srNIjmvK/IxYfQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=2890 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oTp8g-0007x5-6A; Thu, 01 Sep 2022 14:42:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 01 Sep 2022 21:42:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83ilm7q6lh.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 1 Sep 2022 18:05:46 +0000) References: X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.2 (---) > From: Drew Adams > Date: Thu, 1 Sep 2022 18:05:46 +0000 > > Dunno, but this seems like a bug (you decide): > > https://emacs.stackexchange.com/q/73390/ > > `C-c' is a prefix key bound to `mode-specific-map', but it seems to be > set up in C source code. Why do you think it is set up in C? "C-h v" tells me otherwise. > `C-c C-x' is apparently defined (unlike, say, > `C-c C-x 4') as a prefix key, but it's not clear what its keymap is (and > it's apparently empty by default). > > Dunno what changes should be made, to make clear to users what the story > is - why, for example, `C-c C-x' just waits for another key, even though > there's no such key defined in the keymap. > > Maybe this is a more general "problem", for empty prefix keys? Or is it > a result of the prefix being defined in C? There's a good answer on stackexchange for this "problem", and I'm not sure what else would we need to do about this report except close it. 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There's this, from that good answer: The automatic help system from pressing C-h (help-char) after a prefix key isn't aware of translation maps, which is why it doesn't help here. Is that unawareness by design? Inevitable? Or is it feasible to imagine an enhancement that lets you use `C-h' in a given major mode to see the `C-c C-x' bindings in that mode? If that's not a ridiculous enhancement request then consider this report to request it. If no such enhancement is feasible or makes sense then feel free to close this. Thx.