From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:22:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57440: Guile manual has incorrect history on the name Resent-From: Lee Thomas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guile@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:34:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 57440 X-GNU-PR-Package: guile X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 57440@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-guile@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.166154959716948 (code B ref -1); Fri, 26 Aug 2022 21:34:01 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Aug 2022 21:33:17 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54685 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oRgx3-0004PH-8T for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:33:17 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:53560) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oRgx1-0004PA-Jx for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:33:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:50512) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRgx1-0000xd-FT for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:33:15 -0400 Received: from mail-lj1-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::22c]:40790) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oRgwz-000194-Ox for bug-guile@gnu.org; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 17:33:15 -0400 Received: by mail-lj1-x22c.google.com with SMTP id w22so2738178ljg.7 for ; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:33:12 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:from:to:cc; bh=QOveG/OfRQuJwSyxRL0KnPRbA5ujWOVk4sN5P4lNFZY=; b=PT56XvGdJgpkkIxYrebsxaOhEfPZSsk/p9tTnlpYdg94SywPDlVArtk2uTJoOUlnvm EuECa6RGbophffwx5CdJPcoi7DswLZDYgijcdO1r9HqZCvYBNmEcR08m3fn0OctIUqWf /+46YBpCVX+QZ1AIQl8VDU6Q7m9ZwS38eKoNVVwtvVNaZM4NiDy7L6i0C/o+CQU5ksG/ aScyF1bicnLv79axI+M2Y2h9Ax+KQXUd+3tUOlow4XLzojArWDoKXQe3l56NCnQl9Ayg pDZvZ5sifVb0tHc0B9i0WeBd9Bc9wBpgHt0qJ/omLY/Fy1pVQb3kZgv6QImos3UEH1wN oDsQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=to:subject:message-id:date:from:mime-version:x-gm-message-state :from:to:cc; bh=QOveG/OfRQuJwSyxRL0KnPRbA5ujWOVk4sN5P4lNFZY=; b=VPiaTqbe1JYDWRN76Zy3osG8Fl9+3lzlyQFXIcMgmdjoFbQLSaiK4aA94V3RHduNYL 4LgJnlt7W8DotMbQBA7yskx79Fdv0tCekn4LUoqBxSCPf8u4DepNnMYUr3Kq/ay0xaM3 qE4upVzYZhpWsiMPwwO5QKGNUsC/B1BQMdax6pxuLjDHuaKn14mQObbmYyKvZ74RZuon AneKOqwwMo28rO6bQUY81KSbtWxLqo1LTU+3q4itPD0gWRIa7suVd162yb9bP1E5i0rc 3fdJhNDFD3jv4E7CbKx+OwhLJxzyMLDl4JdQNFKk5SI9g+zLbBcEVypC8cEECbC9Yvfs cXnA== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1hFrx8StCDtmzFEZ9AyDqxfFrJDhWMQQiLP/irrrXQhbjbDy/Z k7neidqaVdaE7sHL01EfLTol/4tQGOAuwfcs0WHkrk10Obc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR6ahb4UGMETwL4TlqMRiP8cnhfh3e0hRA0Vfedi8cK1zPogs5PohS8ucCIt3U3rAXd6kRnJsRq6tCrZLFj216g= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:5cc2:0:b0:261:e2b3:e628 with SMTP id q185-20020a2e5cc2000000b00261e2b3e628mr2661621ljb.181.1661549590502; Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:33:10 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Lee Thomas Date: Fri, 26 Aug 2022 14:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001e601705e72ba944" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::22c; envelope-from=leet22303be@gmail.com; helo=mail-lj1-x22c.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -19 X-Spam_score: -2.0 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.0 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, HTML_OBFUSCATE_10_20=0.093, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.2 (-) --0000000000001e601705e72ba944 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Hi. https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Early-Days.html isn't correct where in the fourth paragraph it says "Jim Blandy suggested a new name for GEL". It was actually me, as documented in the second paragraph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile#History Due to the Tcl Wars some of the name suggestions were becoming offensive, especially to Dr. Ousterhout, so I thought I would suggest something more positive. To my astonishment, Tom Lord liked it and used it, over the objections of others. I'm dying of cancer so soon it won't matter, and I was never a part of Guile's inner circle anyway, so this isn't a truly important issue for me. If it would ruffle political feathers to take credit from Jim then I'm fine with leaving it as is, but I do feel responsibility to simply report it here - especially before someone else does and asks why the manual and Wikipedia don't match. --0000000000001e601705e72ba944 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi.=C2=A0https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/ht= ml_node/Early-Days.html=C2=A0isn't correct where in the fourth para= graph it says "Jim Blandy suggested a new name for GEL&qu= ot;. It was actually me, as documented in the second paragraph here:=C2=A0http= s://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile#History=C2=A0 Due to the Tcl Wars s= ome of the name suggestions were becoming offensive, especially=C2=A0to Dr.= Ousterhout, so I thought I would suggest something more positive. To my as= tonishment, Tom Lord liked it and used it, over the objections of others.
I'm dying of cancer so soon it won't matter, and = I was never a part of Guile's inner circle anyway, so this isn't a = truly important issue for me. If it would ruffle political feathers to take= credit from Jim then I'm fine with leaving it as is, but I do feel res= ponsibility to simply report it here - especially before someone else does = and asks why the manual and Wikipedia don't match.
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envelope-from=arne_bab@web.de; helo=mout.web.de X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) --==-=-= Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Lee Thomas writes: > Hi. https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Early-Days.html i= sn't correct where in the fourth paragraph it says "Jim Blandy suggested a > new name for GEL". It was actually me, as documented in the second paragr= aph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile#History Due to the Tcl > Wars some of the name suggestions were becoming offensive, especially to = Dr. Ousterhout, so I thought I would suggest something more positive. To > my astonishment, Tom Lord liked it and used it, over the objections of ot= hers. > > I'm dying of cancer so soon it won't matter I=E2=80=99m sorry to hear that. Thank you for taking up this even now! And = thank you for taking part in Guile. I wish you lots of strength. > , and I was never a part of Guile's inner circle anyway, so this isn't a = truly important issue for me. If it would > ruffle political feathers to take credit from Jim then I'm fine with leav= ing it as is, but I do feel responsibility to simply report it here - espec= ially before > someone else does and asks why the manual and Wikipedia don't match. I created a patch that does the change and references it. From the history it looks like this part has been written in one go back then and did not change, so it possibly was just a mis-remembering. The patch: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-patch Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-doc-Lee-Thomas-suggested-the-name-change.patch Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From=208bfc607ffbc433b7dde50787cf813bd455726daa Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: Arne Babenhauserheide Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 01:57:57 +0200 Subject: [PATCH] doc: Lee Thomas suggested the name change. See (1994-11-04) https://groups.google.com/g/gnu.misc.discuss/c/0VtEf1fgEJk= /m/IMBs2o-ftrgJ > If GEL and GUL and GLUE don't work for the name of the scripting > language, how about: > > GUILE - GNU's Universal Interpreted Language Extension > > (This also implies Scheme-ing, and means that the GNU's Universal > Interpreted Language Developers would be part of a ...) > -- > Lee Thomas and (1994-11-22) https://groups.google.com/g/gnu.misc.discuss/c/9pD9yVoRYFw= /m/0z7SLYbx8loJ > Why "GUILE"? (GNU's Universal Interpreted Language Extension) > Two additional reasons: > > 1. It does not give deliberate offense to Dr. Ousterhout or his > supporters, thereby allowing the warring factions to eventually > make peace (along with some others, perhaps - Gloria's 'Usband Is > Linguistically Educated) and get back to work. > 2. By pronunciation it offers appreciation to one of the co-inventors > of Scheme. (Maybe a library package could be named "Scheme User > Supported System Macros And Native-code"? OK, that's a stretch ...) > -- > Lee Thomas, and https://groups.google.com/g/comp.lang.scheme/c/X5GrLVAvGLU/m/Xk11xCrbzC= cJ > A while back, I started calling the language being built by the GNU Proje= ct > GEL. It turns out that GEL is a trademark of Sybase Inc. Therefore, > we must choose a new name. Please do not refer to the GNU language > as GEL. > > My favorite proposed name, posted recently to comp.lang.scheme, is GUILE. > I like the name, because i think programmers should be encouraged to use > GUILE when writing programs. The name may change yet again; but for now, > please refer to the GNU language as GUILE. > > -t =2D-- doc/ref/history.texi | 2 +- 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-) diff --git a/doc/ref/history.texi b/doc/ref/history.texi index d351455a5..60d839ac3 100644 =2D-- a/doc/ref/history.texi +++ b/doc/ref/history.texi @@ -69,7 +69,7 @@ the argument was that eventually when GEL became more cap= able, it could gain the ability to execute other languages, especially Emacs Lisp. =20 =2DDue to a naming conflict with another programming language, Jim Blandy +Due to a naming conflict with another programming language, Lee Thomas suggested a new name for GEL: ``Guile''. Besides being a recursive acronym, ``Guile'' craftily follows the naming of its ancestors, ``Planner'', ``Conniver'', and ``Schemer''. 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charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Vielen Dank, mein Herr. I was tremendously honored, and still am, to have been a tiny part of Guile. I hope to contribute more in small ways, time permitting. I'm delighted to see the progress made over the years, and I hope the best for the team. On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:11 PM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide wrote: > > Lee Thomas writes: > > > Hi. https://www.gnu.org/software/guile/manual/html_node/Early-Days.html > isn't correct where in the fourth paragraph it says "Jim Blandy suggested= a > > new name for GEL". It was actually me, as documented in the second > paragraph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_Guile#History Due to > the Tcl > > Wars some of the name suggestions were becoming offensive, especially t= o > Dr. Ousterhout, so I thought I would suggest something more positive. To > > my astonishment, Tom Lord liked it and used it, over the objections of > others. > > > > I'm dying of cancer so soon it won't matter > > I=E2=80=99m sorry to hear that. Thank you for taking up this even now! An= d thank > you for taking part in Guile. > > I wish you lots of strength. > > > , and I was never a part of Guile's inner circle anyway, so this isn't = a > truly important issue for me. If it would > > ruffle political feathers to take credit from Jim then I'm fine with > leaving it as is, but I do feel responsibility to simply report it here - > especially before > > someone else does and asks why the manual and Wikipedia don't match. > > I created a patch that does the change and references it. From the > history it looks like this part has been written in one go back then and > did not change, so it possibly was just a mis-remembering. > > The patch: > > > Best wishes, > Arne > -- > Unpolitisch sein > hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, > ohne es zu merken. > draketo.de > --000000000000c3bceb05e730d582 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Vielen Dank, mein Herr. I was tremendously honored, and st= ill am, to have been a tiny part of Guile. I hope to contribute more in sma= ll ways, time permitting. I'm delighted to see the progress made over t= he years, and I hope the best for the team.

On Fri, Aug 26, 2022 at 5:11= PM Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_b= ab@web.de> wrote:

Lee Thomas <l= eet22303be@gmail.com> writes:

> Hi. https://www.gnu.org/soft= ware/guile/manual/html_node/Early-Days.html isn't correct where in = the fourth paragraph it says "Jim Blandy suggested a
> new name for GEL". It was actually me, as documented in the secon= d paragraph here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GNU_G= uile#History=C2=A0 Due to the Tcl
> Wars some of the name suggestions were becoming offensive, especially = to Dr. Ousterhout, so I thought I would suggest something more positive. To=
> my astonishment, Tom Lord liked it and used it, over the objections of= others.
>
> I'm dying of cancer so soon it won't matter

I=E2=80=99m sorry to hear that. Thank you for taking up this even now! And = thank
you for taking part in Guile.

I wish you lots of strength.

> , and I was never a part of Guile's inner circle anyway, so this i= sn't a truly important issue for me. If it would
> ruffle political feathers to take credit from Jim then I'm fine wi= th leaving it as is, but I do feel responsibility to simply report it here = - especially before
> someone else does and asks why the manual and Wikipedia don't matc= h.

I created a patch that does the change and references it. From the
history it looks like this part has been written in one go back then and did not change, so it possibly was just a mis-remembering.

The patch:


Best wishes,
Arne
--
Unpolitisch sein
hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein,
ohne es zu merken.
draketo.= de
--000000000000c3bceb05e730d582-- From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:22:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57440: Guile manual has incorrect history on the name Resent-From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guile@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:55:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57440 X-GNU-PR-Package: guile X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Cc: Lee Thomas , 57440@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57440-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57440.166463244722726 (code B ref 57440); Sat, 01 Oct 2022 13:55:02 +0000 Received: (at 57440) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Oct 2022 13:54:07 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44044 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oecwR-0005uT-D0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 09:54:07 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55520) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oecwQ-0005u0-Av for 57440@debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 09:54:06 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41308) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oecwK-0001b8-Vp; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 09:54:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=MIME-Version:In-Reply-To:Date:References:Subject:To: From; bh=4JF5oKvYxTkA3UfEVxz8R45v9oIJkIxfqNRiM5qlvU4=; b=Hu8R6c6FbECXAz4JLWR1 Ni5Gw/mOYQz8JGhAdC7SdqXtdrprp/o7UkUL1G+ZrvGvPQGf/29Iq4Ew2nlwTxR96c+9l3jC14390 0h1T5MNKTNULyV9lNwU0g5zsfE7bnUbTjU1vYVxzpPxL7VyZuPKW4uD2HMpFkHKJWqpXt6XLp1klC fZ8buIYjEWi6IpdJIikN+/ZELEZ5uHUoQplPdX5gh8rcHsn6T12TO9DSG1qmEvkeOFfcTUOL+9jCY 8Y6dxsR1FFLt17/W0bFtDbdK2oq3hMuCXRMmgqHMR2oDP/YZRT2ZwEvrFYfDTbOZNYTHSL0nT2b5h CBWy8YomQ3oLhQ==; Received: from 91-160-117-201.subs.proxad.net ([91.160.117.201]:62244 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oecw9-0008Os-Ir; Sat, 01 Oct 2022 09:54:00 -0400 From: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= References: <87bks64kbq.fsf@web.de> Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2022 15:53:48 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87bks64kbq.fsf@web.de> (Arne Babenhauserheide's message of "Sat, 27 Aug 2022 01:43:15 +0200") Message-ID: <875yh3fy4z.fsf_-_@gnu.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Arne and Lee, "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" skribis: > From 8bfc607ffbc433b7dde50787cf813bd455726daa Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 > From: Arne Babenhauserheide > Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 01:57:57 +0200 > Subject: [PATCH] doc: Lee Thomas suggested the name change. 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Besides being a recursive > acronym, ``Guile'' craftily follows the naming of its ancestors, > ``Planner'', ``Conniver'', and ``Schemer''. (The latter was truncated > --=20 Is this good to go? I can nowadays push the change myself, so a simple lgtm gets this into Guile :-) Best wishes, Arne =2D-=20 Unpolitisch sein hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein, ohne es zu merken. draketo.de --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQJEBAEBCAAuFiEE801qEjXQSQPNItXAE++NRSQDw+sFAmNuxZ0QHGFybmVfYmFi QHdlYi5kZQAKCRAT741FJAPD60BmEADQ1gL4+OHwsZxfShh2MYMO/2xPSmrlgO/A BRyfAC2xN6X8uDIVSNxwUXToauAoU+9Y5831c8HWcZR2SNVngCqzDaEWvieZnkQW adIj8t5YoL/dnwAE+n1JoJXswo9su3dw1BIVGKrj8TlLRfn1midrkRxdEtMWcB3T ynBckpLOIArHLvbJvmcv4RZN+qlP+Sf3ZZ6mjE/nm6pCnLpoXcP7Bf1jplP7iZWe VZbXzjUlPCdN87TOQ/GEIF+jeM6gokDh88FKhRMUry9No8B+nLxBEhTYG+ethWBQ pG5C5m3rh3hqEIgWpciqQMKD2Ujm8CwwxjlIs+amtI/Gk/+2Lr7+YvByDHo/JK8t MGx1LT17PhnSyuR7olJG91oz3IiM3Dlq7rACNJU6l0sBXqIGCCdxGV0O+qRQKJrG 4eXTrzgixIkLiLDHRahP9LWPPYTw8EHGDuiZWfo10UvfRke1oyCDAClVCLHMqmmy 2xybKxDV/flSpMZO6t3Ivp1YySx4pfXnOy2lUgOTA++BAATXfL0J8ahqqF69Du3/ CSGjlgARh66UlVuVWnwQJQyr2gII1UJw+C3NsYNcJJSqNW2ph6ackhxMvbGBShF4 b3PJc6h0eyHY/KbIOVCQeUkvG+Jqrmvw/Xz1K50P6TLw5xFFSjeS3/wVqSOlOe2H Glgue8FVbIjEBAEBCAAuFiEE3Si95tmHXKvOSosd3M8NswvBBUgFAmNuxZ0QHGFy bmVfYmFiQHdlYi5kZQAKCRDczw2zC8EFSP4rA/9l0xJYMkDcNjSFqXcCghNCYXdo AwidZ9YLPNIVdfuOb0ODhOQSNxaTPsXJ/e+OCGKLkEHZrew55AVX5S6UIOpRgymO m60FScTGeZm/GpjkFIGrZsavHF9HQ4/32ThGSYnT65SOQkjORMyLMwot2nk9kRPs BQul6ea3dcTp8WCLBg== =Oo32 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=-- From unknown Sun Aug 17 01:22:41 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57440: Guile manual has incorrect history on the name Resent-From: "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-guile@gnu.org Resent-Date: Sat, 10 Dec 2022 17:38:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57440 X-GNU-PR-Package: guile X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Ludovic =?UTF-8?Q?Court=C3=A8s?= Cc: Lee Thomas , 57440@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57440-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57440.16706938735329 (code B ref 57440); 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charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ludovic Court=C3=A8s writes: > Hi Arne and Lee, > "Dr. Arne Babenhauserheide" skribis: >> From 8bfc607ffbc433b7dde50787cf813bd455726daa Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 >> From: Arne Babenhauserheide >> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 01:57:57 +0200 >> Subject: [PATCH] doc: Lee Thomas suggested the name change. > > Thanks for the historical research work, please push, Arne! The change is pushed now. 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