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fails to compile -- backtrace from language/tree-il/peval.scm References: <8cd4199a-7db2-ee39-1939-3783e020dc9c@telenet.be> <34b46a55-793b-fd50-a1e6-68794071a3c4@telenet.be> Date: Fri, 19 Aug 2022 16:37:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: <34b46a55-793b-fd50-a1e6-68794071a3c4@telenet.be> (Maxime Devos's message of "Wed, 10 Aug 2022 19:42:50 +0200") Message-ID: <87ilmohswc.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57121 Cc: 57121@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxime. Maxime Devos writes: > Can't reproduce after touching java-utils.scm. I got this issue a couple times too. I attributed it (without analysis) to Guile's failure to keep track of changes to macro expanded code. More like something to track on the side of Guile, I would think. I'd suggest to close it here, since it's not reproducible. 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Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from hurd ([2607:fad8:4:3::1003]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id l8-20020a05620a28c800b006bbc3724affsm10418214qkp.45.2022.08.22.08.32.35 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Aug 2022 08:32:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Maxime Devos Subject: Re: bug#57121: clojure-build-system fails to compile -- backtrace from language/tree-il/peval.scm References: <8cd4199a-7db2-ee39-1939-3783e020dc9c@telenet.be> <34b46a55-793b-fd50-a1e6-68794071a3c4@telenet.be> <87ilmohswc.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2022 11:32:34 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Maxime Devos's message of "Fri, 19 Aug 2022 22:58:48 +0200") Message-ID: <878rngi99p.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57121 Cc: 57121@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxim, Maxime Devos writes: > On 19-08-2022 22:37, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: > >> Hi Maxime. >> >> Maxime Devos writes: >> >>> Can't reproduce after touching java-utils.scm. >> I got this issue a couple times too. I attributed it (without analysis) >> to Guile's failure to keep track of changes to macro expanded code. > > It might be inlining. I don't see how macro expansion matters here. I > think it's dependency tracking in general. Dependency tracking is probably what I meant. >> More like something to track on the side of Guile, I would think. > > I had a patch for build-aux/compile-all.scm that adds a form of > dependency tracking: . If we teach > it about (define-module (foo) #:use-module (bar)) --> (bar) is a > dependency of (foo) (using parts of source-module-closure?) (and drop > the search-patch things), then it seems solved to me. > > As there is a known path to a solution, I wouldn't close this. > > These patches are for Guix' build system.=C2=A0 I don't see anything that > could be done on the Guile side, except for eventually migrating some > dependency tracking stuff over to Guile If a module imports a different module, and that module changes, even if it's macro, Guile should not blindly reuse the stale .go like it currently does. It should complain and evaluate from source instead. That would cover the base and avoid breakage. After, if it known how to do that, yes, it seems it'd be useful to have something similar to 'gcc -M' to provide the needed intelligence to the build system. Does that make sense? 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On 22-08-2022 17:32, Maxim Cournoyer wrote:
These patches are for Guix=
' build system.=C2=A0 I don't see anything that
could be done on the Guile side, except for eventually migrating some
dependency tracking stuff over to Guile

If a module imports a differ=
ent module, and that module changes, even if
it's macro, Guile should not blindly reuse the stale .go like it
currently does.  It should complain and evaluate from source instead.

That would cover the base and avoid breakage.  After, if it known how to
do that, yes, it seems it'd be useful to have something similar to 'gcc
-M' to provide the needed intelligence to the build system.

Does that make sense?

Sounds reasonable, though we could go for something less general in Guix first.

Greetings,
Maxime.

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It should complain and evaluate from source instead. >> >> That would cover the base and avoid breakage. After, if it known how to >> do that, yes, it seems it'd be useful to have something similar to 'gcc >> -M' to provide the needed intelligence to the build system. >> >> Does that make sense? > > Sounds reasonable, though we could go for something less general in > Guix first. I'd rather avoiding adding more complexity in Guix if it can be fixed upstream; where it'd benefit everyone most. 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On 23-08-2022 06:06, Maxim Cournoyer wrote:
Hi Maxime,

Maxime Devos <maximedevos@telenet.be> writes:


On 22-08-2022 17:32, Maxim=
 Cournoyer wrote:

These patches are for =
Guix' build system.=C2=A0 I don't see anything that
could be done on the Guile side, except for eventually migrating some
dependency tracking stuff over to Guile

If a module imports a di=
fferent module, and that module changes, even if
it's macro, Guile should not blindly reuse the stale .go like it
currently does.  It should complain and evaluate from source instead.

That would cover the base and avoid breakage.  After, if it known how to
do that, yes, it seems it'd be useful to have something similar to 'gcc
-M' to provide the needed intelligence to the build system.

Does that make sense?

Sounds reasonable, though we could go for something less general in
Guix first.

I'd rather avoiding adding more complexity in Guix if it can be fixed
upstream; where it'd benefit everyone most.

It cannot be solved upstream, this is not a pure Guile matter but also a build system matter. Even if this the 'if that module changes, it ... should evaluate from source' was implemented, the build system still needs to know to compile the module.

More concretely, build-aux/compile-all.scm uses the following to determine what needs to be recompiled:

(define (file-needs-compilation? file) =C2=A0 (let ((go (scm->go file)))
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (or (not (file-exists? go))
=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (file-mtime<? go fi= le))))
--- just interpreting imported modules that have changed doesn't cause the importing module to be recompiled.

Also, at least one Guile maintainer wants dependency tracking to be orthogonal:

<https://issues.guix.gnu.org/50960= #59>
I guess I could live with an 80% dependency tracking solution. However,
my criteria for it would be that (1) it shoul= d be orthogonal (e.g., not
requiring explicit calls to =E2=80=98notice-dependency=E2=80=99 in many places), and (2)
it should be self-contained and reasonably small. Perhaps having
=E2=80=98load*=E2=80=99 or similar instrument= =E2=80=98open-file=E2=80=99 or similar could help achieve
that?

Your proposal to do in Guile does not appear to match that criterium.

The notice-dependency could be eventually upstreamed, but the issue does not appear to be fixable upstream.

Greetings,
Maxime.
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[66.158.149.141]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bk18-20020a05620a1a1200b006b9122642f5sm2277235qkb.75.2022.08.27.08.53.54 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Sat, 27 Aug 2022 08:53:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Maxim Cournoyer To: Maxime Devos Subject: Re: bug#57121: clojure-build-system fails to compile -- backtrace from language/tree-il/peval.scm References: <8cd4199a-7db2-ee39-1939-3783e020dc9c@telenet.be> <34b46a55-793b-fd50-a1e6-68794071a3c4@telenet.be> <87ilmohswc.fsf@gmail.com> <878rngi99p.fsf@gmail.com> <87y1vffvsv.fsf@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 27 Aug 2022 11:53:53 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Maxime Devos's message of "Tue, 23 Aug 2022 11:07:39 +0200") Message-ID: <87tu5xbs32.fsf@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 57121 Cc: 57121@debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Hi Maxime, Maxime Devos writes: > On 23-08-2022 06:06, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: >> Hi Maxime, >> >> Maxime Devos writes: >> >>> On 22-08-2022 17:32, Maxim Cournoyer wrote: >>>>> These patches are for Guix' build system.=C2=A0 I don't see anything = that >>>>> could be done on the Guile side, except for eventually migrating some >>>>> dependency tracking stuff over to Guile >>>> If a module imports a different module, and that module changes, even = if >>>> it's macro, Guile should not blindly reuse the stale .go like it >>>> currently does. It should complain and evaluate from source instead. >>>> >>>> That would cover the base and avoid breakage. After, if it known how = to >>>> do that, yes, it seems it'd be useful to have something similar to 'gcc >>>> -M' to provide the needed intelligence to the build system. >>>> >>>> Does that make sense? >>> Sounds reasonable, though we could go for something less general in >>> Guix first. >> I'd rather avoiding adding more complexity in Guix if it can be fixed >> upstream; where it'd benefit everyone most. > > It cannot be solved upstream, this is not a pure Guile matter but also > a build system matter. Even if this the 'if that module changes, it > ... should evaluate from source' was implemented, the build system > still needs to know to compile the module. OK. I'd welcome fixing as much of it as possible in Guile, then adding the Guix-specific bits on top of it. We already carry a bit too many things in Guix that could be in Guile proper, in my opinion. > More concretely, build-aux/compile-all.scm uses the following to > determine what needs to be recompiled: > >> (define (file-needs-compilation? file) >> =C2=A0 (let ((go (scm->go file))) >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (or (not (file-exists? go)) >> =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 (file-mtime --- just interpreting imported modules that have changed doesn't cause > the importing module to be recompiled. > [...] OK, I see that since we already implement such mechanism in Guix, it's on our shoulders to fix it there. I'm changing my mind but with what I said above (as much of the fix to go in Guile, the rest on top in Guix). Thank you, Maxim