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[71.125.52.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w13-20020ac843cd000000b00342f844e30fsm4122312qtn.31.2022.08.09.05.01.58 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:01:59 -0700 (PDT) From: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:01:57 -0400 Message-ID: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> User-Agent: Gnus/5.14 (Gnus v5.14) Commercial/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::733; envelope-from=dick.r.chiang@gmail.com; helo=mail-qk1-x733.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:18:05 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/x-diff Content-Disposition: inline; filename=0001-window-point-is-a-thing.patch >From fc29004fe9287ce02eb3aa52abe5a4fc54834663 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001 From: dickmao Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 07:37:57 -0400 Subject: [PATCH] window-point is a thing We regularly split the same buffer across two windows (C-x 2) and position one window as a reference while manipulating the other. When temporarily switching out one window, say to check a definition, our flow gets wrecked by C-x b's refusal to flip back to the original buffer since it's already displayed in another window, albeit, and very importantly, at a different point (which to belabor things, is the whole reason we want the same buffer in two windows). I'm sure this has been proposed many times in the past, the preservationist society being what it is. * lisp/ido.el (ido-make-buffer-list-1): De-obfuscate. (ido-make-buffer-list): Include visible buffer when switching. (ido-get-buffers-in-frames): De-obfuscate. * lisp/window.el (read-buffer-to-switch): Include visible buffer. * test/lisp/ido-tests.el (ert-deftest): Test it. --- lisp/ido.el | 43 +++++++++++++++++++--------------------- lisp/window.el | 2 +- test/lisp/ido-tests.el | 21 ++++++++++++++++++++ test/src/buffer-tests.el | 21 ++++++++++++++++++++ 4 files changed, 63 insertions(+), 24 deletions(-) diff --git a/lisp/ido.el b/lisp/ido.el index 134081d6759..5aeb8fcec51 100644 --- a/lisp/ido.el +++ b/lisp/ido.el @@ -3432,32 +3432,32 @@ ido-make-buffer-list-1 (mapcar (lambda (x) (let ((name (buffer-name x))) - (if (not (or (ido-ignore-item-p name ido-ignore-buffers) (member name visible))) - name))) + (and (not (ido-ignore-item-p name ido-ignore-buffers)) + (not (member name visible)) + name))) (buffer-list frame))))) (defun ido-make-buffer-list (default) "Return the current list of buffers. -Currently visible buffers are put at the end of the list. The hook `ido-make-buffer-list-hook' is run after the list has been created to allow the user to further modify the order of the buffer names in this list. If DEFAULT is non-nil, and corresponds to an existing buffer, it is put to the start of the list." - (let* ((ido-current-buffers (ido-get-buffers-in-frames 'current)) - (ido-temp-list (ido-make-buffer-list-1 (selected-frame) ido-current-buffers))) - (if ido-temp-list - (nconc ido-temp-list ido-current-buffers) - (setq ido-temp-list ido-current-buffers)) - (if ido-predicate - (setq ido-temp-list (seq-filter - (lambda (name) - (funcall ido-predicate (cons name (get-buffer name)))) - ido-temp-list))) - (if default - (setq ido-temp-list - (cons default (delete default ido-temp-list)))) - (if (bound-and-true-p ido-enable-virtual-buffers) - (ido-add-virtual-buffers-to-list)) + (let* ((current (buffer-name (window-buffer (selected-window)))) + (ido-temp-list (ido-make-buffer-list-1 (selected-frame) (list current)))) + (when (consp ido-temp-list) + (setcdr (last ido-temp-list) (list current))) + (when ido-predicate + (setq ido-temp-list + (seq-filter + (lambda (name) + (funcall ido-predicate (cons name (get-buffer name)))) + ido-temp-list))) + (when default + (setq ido-temp-list + (cons default (delete default ido-temp-list)))) + (when (bound-and-true-p ido-enable-virtual-buffers) + (ido-add-virtual-buffers-to-list)) (run-hooks 'ido-make-buffer-list-hook) ido-temp-list)) @@ -3723,11 +3723,8 @@ ido-get-buffers-in-frames "Return the list of buffers that are visible in the current frame. If optional argument CURRENT is given, restrict searching to the current frame, rather than all frames, regardless of value of `ido-all-frames'." - (let ((ido-bufs-in-frame nil)) - (walk-windows 'ido-get-bufname nil - (if current - nil - ido-all-frames)) + (let (ido-bufs-in-frame) + (walk-windows 'ido-get-bufname nil (unless current ido-all-frames)) ido-bufs-in-frame)) (defun ido-get-bufname (win) diff --git a/lisp/window.el b/lisp/window.el index 4d88ffa9039..86996fe9730 100644 --- a/lisp/window.el +++ b/lisp/window.el @@ -8673,7 +8673,7 @@ read-buffer-to-switch (setq-local icomplete-with-completion-tables (cons rbts-completion-table icomplete-with-completion-tables)))) - (read-buffer prompt (other-buffer (current-buffer)) + (read-buffer prompt (other-buffer (current-buffer) t) (confirm-nonexistent-file-or-buffer))))) (defun window-normalize-buffer-to-switch-to (buffer-or-name) diff --git a/test/lisp/ido-tests.el b/test/lisp/ido-tests.el index 56ef6cde358..034071b52b3 100644 --- a/test/lisp/ido-tests.el +++ b/test/lisp/ido-tests.el @@ -51,4 +51,25 @@ ido-directory-too-big-p (let ((ido-big-directories (cons (rx "me/di") ido-big-directories))) (should (ido-directory-too-big-p "/some/dir/")))) +(ert-deftest ido-buffer-switch-visible () + "switch-to-buffer should include already visible buffers." + (let* ((name "test-buffer-switch-visible") + (buffer (get-buffer-create name))) + (unwind-protect + (progn + (switch-to-buffer buffer) + (delete-other-windows) + (split-window-below) + (goto-char (point-min)) + (other-window 1) + (insert "foo") + (goto-char (point-max)) + (cl-letf (((symbol-function 'read-from-minibuffer) + (lambda (&rest args) (nth 5 args)))) + (call-interactively #'ido-switch-buffer) + (call-interactively #'ido-switch-buffer)) + (should (and (equal name (buffer-name)) (eq (point) (point-max))))) + (let (kill-buffer-query-functions) + (kill-buffer buffer))))) + ;;; ido-tests.el ends here diff --git a/test/src/buffer-tests.el b/test/src/buffer-tests.el 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backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting system-font-setting font-render-setting cairo move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit xinput2 x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 1107080 43082) (symbols 48 47047 3) (strings 32 214940 28162) (string-bytes 1 6605441) (vectors 16 111778) (vector-slots 8 2954688 68976) (floats 8 1144 1007) (intervals 56 67190 890) (buffers 1000 47)) --=-=-=-- From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:55:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Cc: 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.16600640518606 (code B ref 57081); 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Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:01:57 -0400 > > We regularly split the same buffer across two windows (C-x 2) and > position one window as a reference while manipulating the other. > > When temporarily switching out one window, say to check a definition, > our flow gets wrecked by C-x b's refusal to flip back to the original > buffer since it's already displayed in another window, albeit, and > very importantly, at a different point (which to belabor things, is > the whole reason we want the same buffer in two windows). But if you then insist on switching to that same buffer (which "C-x b" doesn't refuse, it just doesn't offer it as the default, but you can bring it up by M-p/M-n in the minibuffer at the prompt), then you will be shown that buffer at the point you last displayed in that window, which is what you want. So I'm not sure what you are trying to fix here, and your description stops short of telling that. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:42:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: dick Cc: 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166006691521897 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:42:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 17:41:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44828 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTEp-0005h7-FD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:41:55 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42046) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTEn-0005gi-Jc for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:41:53 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44218) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTEe-00088I-Ln; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:41:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=1zf0HwY7hQo3y1tKRyP69Lqo/Nl5upgDMAKCm0xGw4w=; b=i2ncjz37UOaH 6zKzMpQIVpUcgP+YsRyzRC5futhXVpgNnUqKNU/HFExL9+3pTKM/WpMr+BT98s5i4b1zGcMAjuE7r A64rlxBhVtZ9O/f5ucaV8Su/G7X7tdzgjk9Qr+b+VDuEPUOWSCz1/e+42Q1lVsFqkGdsQzxCp8TwW rSqS9hrta4fdJJLcHyXQExwA4YWZ3WNY7T3q6xuhEMC0tknIYF/P+0vxNEJADXAv9YiQVZFBVt5zS EHwoxaPC3hZPJxVLy8TnZJii7rUIbSNQd52iOzHRHfgBKq8xTJuk0uKv1eiqNUhpn9OWG7ehcY7kQ N+nOpdTXXXCwPN5p191APQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1552 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTEd-0008Vn-Qg; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:41:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:41:34 +0300 Message-Id: <83edxptiup.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87bkstb9qi.fsf@dick> (message from dick on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:35:49 -0400) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <83sfm5tl2b.fsf@gnu.org> <87bkstb9qi.fsf@dick> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: dick > Cc: 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:35:49 -0400 > > I am reminded of the famous diner scene in Five Easy Pieces (1970). > > The waitress didn't refuse the order outright; she did let Jack talk to > the manager. Iuppiter iratus ergo nefas. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:57:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com Cc: 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166006776423413 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 17:57:01 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 17:56:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44851 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTSW-00065Y-Gy for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:56:04 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52214) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTSU-000656-Pf for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:56:03 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=SodAMUBZbdW4G1KorxGSKn+0P75FGek0yKV6PgAiHZY=; b=snj/RddmWGBE/MPzOF4pRDJuBD jCZ8BAAB9Vu7vYFQhVxrLF8yG+ahDUTfbqFt2K6LdrWG5IKXSN3+zF0A+hIW85YpvxiSBDcTDgksq lF8XBeoJMCefHABJbxz5Oq1/pVYoEFbXh0+dAYQoSIdN0dAmumduoh2GdI1nXD0fJS4o=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTSM-0006Ff-MB; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:55:56 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> (dick r. chiang's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 08:01:57 -0400") References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> X-Now-Playing: Grace Jones's _Warm Leatherette_: "Love Is The Drug" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:55:54 +0200 Message-ID: <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. 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Content preview: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com writes: > When temporarily switching out one window, say to check a definition, > our flow gets wrecked by C-x b's refusal to flip back to the original > buffer since it's already displayed in another window, [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) dick.r.chiang@gmail.com writes: > When temporarily switching out one window, say to check a definition, > our flow gets wrecked by C-x b's refusal to flip back to the original > buffer since it's already displayed in another window, albeit, and > very importantly, at a different point (which to belabor things, is > the whole reason we want the same buffer in two windows). I think adding this might make sense, but with a user option to control the action. > * lisp/ido.el (ido-make-buffer-list-1): De-obfuscate. > (ido-make-buffer-list): Include visible buffer when switching. > (ido-get-buffers-in-frames): De-obfuscate. > * lisp/window.el (read-buffer-to-switch): Include visible buffer. > * test/lisp/ido-tests.el (ert-deftest): Test it. And as usual, your patch includes a whole bunch of apparently irrelevant stuff. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:19:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166006913425574 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:19:01 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 18:18:54 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44871 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTob-0006eP-S9 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:18:54 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:48084) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLToa-0006eD-IO for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:18:52 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44666) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLToV-00053y-C1; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:18:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=pl/dzdRRM+XGVOdIOK2LEd1aNt+A3Hnc7f+RgbWdiD8=; b=ZUotSW3kAvfx BzRl7oYnvgkF9oyfeaP8ZXL4gX2wX0NM32MdNyJRdhMrZ1BqGy0HYcvLwL+bT1czvJS98bDjMThOl vtQJb/8aRU1HO+GKFH0nMBN/szpVqxTF9p1v06mrgf7NZxfnsrEOsTUnZ1UZrjIqD9hZeqHNRvMCH 5CP03faaduEoW+KBKfjnvu145b2ygXKHv7gkw23ekGOKNl9/qUmImCpseESBuIxUPwjZXLnZGWZYg 16BYUrMq4t9R606da0+RHuEF9iX21dT9thELqLVFwobc8N9LQ8NLZDkiadvbFIf6cXqdO0RBvtNaE BYEiuFdRvPo2f1jgVvl8kw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3814 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLToU-0007qb-PF; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:18:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:18:37 +0300 Message-Id: <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:55:54 +0200) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:55:54 +0200 > > dick.r.chiang@gmail.com writes: > > > When temporarily switching out one window, say to check a definition, > > our flow gets wrecked by C-x b's refusal to flip back to the original > > buffer since it's already displayed in another window, albeit, and > > very importantly, at a different point (which to belabor things, is > > the whole reason we want the same buffer in two windows). > > I think adding this might make sense, but with a user option to control > the action. Which action is that? As I explained already, if we want to be able to display the same buffer at another position, that is already supported in "emacs -Q". 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The waitress didn't refuse the order outright; she did let Jack talk to the manager. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:26:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166006954126346 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:26:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 18:25:41 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44894 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTvA-0006qs-UP for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:25:41 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52500) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTv9-0006qa-GQ for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:25:39 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=rfW/9raxBSu9+zr1TF5+dTUWKIOMPty/AGOjsX2EOgM=; b=KeLf5jHHln6sYwRluGjrUL0/8N 66TLWbKhU/hjJYgSip4xavku45BXRR67bTBxtRkwUpVqiz7+licdwwI8NLuRxoJCI+2IDQVNNTC8M 5yjoeXuEN8P8NZu2gUfhzaCHwPtz9wXbu9nEwy9vFlkG7A71Y6ZbZXOyBHhVWkTSXCAU=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oLTv1-0006Vj-6Z; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:25:33 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:18:37 +0300") References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> X-Now-Playing: Oneohtrix Point Never's _Returnal Remix_: "Returnal (Fennesz Remix)" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:25:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > Which action is that? As I explained already, if we want to be able > to display the same buffer at another position, that is already > supported in "emacs -Q". Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > Which action is that? As I explained already, if we want to be able > to display the same buffer at another position, that is already > supported in "emacs -Q". I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back the same buffer in that window? From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:37:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.16600701693334 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:37:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 18:36:09 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU5J-0000ri-Bc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:36:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:51620) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU5G-0000rJ-Uz for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:36:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44864) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU5B-00086S-NK; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:36:01 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=pdt/jEhHuJIlsR145Avbo7uSY0nCO43f9lCQawua+Bk=; b=Qkk1thJREXz5 tczVpx6ZQt6VgqTTbQYYXTYXN3u916vHVqd2BMsKU8zFRsIZcusqtmB/IhGQc0SFqxcWtJTBRAKJd wiJ5UvxIagjxfB8AIZDd0KM2DHPCWj7Np/RhFPsK0QUpVs6DRi87CRZWD/XrVuUgWz8hNoA3wyj3K RMcjQmMlaxZ3NzRma4NAKitW3XKJ6o8dmgrWYsKI1COHCky/pNmw0E/wY5XBLKfb/WRekBtb6TWop 2mAoaoCId4WNwbC5JxupDakM3hmqnkskXk0MZQOnyUUB/t17MnSjYizdkEWPzCPS/PTCXZ2jz+1s8 TiIcOVD+OCBd/13YlUVxMQ==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4874 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU5B-0005C7-55; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:36:01 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:35:51 +0300 Message-Id: <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:25:30 +0200) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:25:30 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > Which action is that? As I explained already, if we want to be able > > to display the same buffer at another position, that is already > > supported in "emacs -Q". > > I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- > `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back > the same buffer in that window? Yes: is M-n, sometimes twice. I do this all the time, because I frequently have the same buffer displayed at different positions in two different windows. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: larsi@gnus.org Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.16600704043740 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 18:40:04 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44956 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU95-0000y7-1i for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:40:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52128) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU93-0000xR-8l for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:40:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44900) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU8y-0008Se-1b; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:39:56 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=Up6w6rqIepg9vZk/y9Cnn+hVlwjY4bBaYtbucXHq4uc=; b=brDKXidDXejT KPj0x6d5dev6Ud6Ma1aDX7S9+93xKgr1THx5MrToTZ+SS/HGMtUhwjZZS2GXVuaO6dOFGVEPBtI6X qPHsvRQO+CHG3MOqZBxN86ax5r6/buRnSNlesIB+7nlrWg20q7r03FSqt0EHFxspVO1R63ffe5xXN kTZrSdacE5gXPz71bpznLcLl1s3XyJS8B+qC2FkAKDJGWFLlY0IR0FZlQaLf5aVkHPfWtZat0wPK2 jHikY7XHwa3O/tfqshRY+ILwMfnPZ2SDD5HGtBgcJncmlb5a+SM/k9yD72BgGpDuZR6BlRJRvoGeb VNqfLbc3Kv6vwA81JCIu0w==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=1143 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU8x-0005Xd-Er; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:39:55 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:39:46 +0300 Message-Id: <83y1vxs1l9.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> (message from Eli Zaretskii on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:35:51 +0300) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:35:51 +0300 > From: Eli Zaretskii > > > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:25:30 +0200 > > > > I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- > > `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back > > the same buffer in that window? > > Yes: is M-n, sometimes twice. And after you do this once, M-p will also do. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:09:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Eli Zaretskii Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166007213523385 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:09:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 19:08:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45059 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUb0-000656-W0 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:08:55 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53050) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUaz-00064u-6U for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:08:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=XGp9wj7b8JOjv/2oCfavy677WWuTI49pGNGqYJrSVyI=; b=QnTnFq07FSqHYo3qgXkozRbyPW r8o1g3mFXlUjiVHFXaGHI5D9p66Z3MZzKPVzetwrKqRupo4hAYwrhdFbVqRW0ac1Nq0+EWM1ZvK1x 2xl70Kns4ps7lUz1AqORsaLndHzetKx2s7sfyK7E0OsH3Mc/uoLorXSAoADwWyS45QuQ=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUaq-0006sG-H7; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:08:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:35:51 +0300") References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAElBMVEWajlz8/PzZ2M/C uaBAQSr///9ospQpAAAAAWJLR0QF+G/pxwAAAAd0SU1FB+YICRMHIsXwnH4AAAGrSURBVDjLdZIL koMgEER7ZQ6wshdI8AIoHGBqnfufaXsQ0aSyVMWMPrrnA/iaPy88/wNp+4yQn3NM6QP4neNSPqgw zZEKB/E9eSxNEZfnG5jn9iWWcCMPeOo1cXfMCON7rBjxggGecc5Xgw8z7ZHKdOv826wnqcYQ6wky FQcQE7NLwZedWfleuMewnHVIyxHXuLYYpUsW7tJ1XtKDTwfd14syLcu2QL6+3Up78T8OUp4IptqA TmdRpkvh2mAO+JvSUZTpJmwf0oDyHZyuy/eEUlLpQFRMw1bBZ9ZEcgBrfzu4FEU5yk3OHGa0hkAU nv4FtNh7ryL7DZi2mMnY4VBoB0eBrPdSZL1k57qscCRSeQH8EGjCLvcBToO9KiTcFCdQEWQWVt+t oNVr8hG6HcxOrZsAue8eCo7Lh3nUxj0XYA7jtNB0dL43pZwV/Fblu9Xh0M5PVL1cGbUz2jX7AXQF A4+zMgWvidaXPsxqmApCzs1jgN1dFdkHwDs1AMtr10a4AcW39LYnpkFV77OELGEAP72WVN2r7C8N jhPUgg7a8BVnP35rGtBx6APZH0vtuUMFU9m/AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOmNyZWF0ZQAyMDIyLTA4LTA5 VDE5OjA3OjM0KzAwOjAwdJBvPgAAACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTptb2RpZnkAMjAyMi0wOC0wOVQxOTowNzoz NCswMDowMAXN14IAAAAASUVORK5CYII= X-Now-Playing: Hood's _Outside Closer_: "Any Hopeful Thoughts Arrive" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:08:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- >> `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back >> the same buffer in that window? > > Yes: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- >> `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back >> the same buffer in that window? > > Yes: is M-n, sometimes twice. That's only the case if you've previously switched to a buffer in a way that makes that buffer be in the history variable -- but there's a number of ways to switch to a buffer without that happening. Like `C-x C-b' and then selecting a buffer there. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:23:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166007294424817 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:23:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 19:22:24 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUo4-0006SD-0l for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUo2-0006Rn-4a for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:22:22 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45226) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUnw-00077Z-Nc; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:22:16 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=tkaFF9XU7ccaOaeoDc3YsY/Yfvy5lzGHUa6pTVLock0=; b=A8rYE6KAoBTP vnN6Q7DA9Ea5zY83f25TdUqxALjJuLKTSmS4lPaNANL+z0qSEAjIW1crG9nhETwI5yNDZMelGBLTE yOedOwzTnte0GEP5hjdplLyZACVaWvcCqZZhWpOQBVLqsbDBEh/N558NGp8odieUfDKi22kGFjUX8 WTBLhO7yOQ6MewYcgnKPpW5sLHDmdgqrMvwlhR3diFHD61gFT1vaOOWfi8gheHVSqOTsJMMlbLssd f3xhZ7SkIAW9T1bcLHTaLgMyLrPj3mUiAZPdyivW0Mu0Td/2ff8/etuQTxITYk911t4Y4Br/bZ0tI zhH5GIiucc/KqViFT3Uu9A==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=3759 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLUnw-0005gf-7B; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:22:16 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:22:05 +0300 Message-Id: <83r11przmq.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:08:43 +0200) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:08:43 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > >> I don't think there's any easy way to get the action Dick described -- > >> `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', and then have `C-x b ' bring back > >> the same buffer in that window? > > > > Yes: is M-n, sometimes twice. > > That's only the case if you've previously switched to a buffer in a way > that makes that buffer be in the history variable No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: > No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. If I select a buffer via `C-x C-b', `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', `C-x b M-n' just says "End of history" -- in ido. But in "emacs -Q", hitting `M-n' twice does get me to the same buffer, like you say. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: > No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. If I select a buffer via `C-x C-b', `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', `C-x b M-n' just says "End of history" -- in ido. But in "emacs -Q", hitting `M-n' twice does get me to the same buffer, like you say. So I guess this should just be fixed in ido somehow? From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:36:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.16600737491980 (code B ref 57081); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 19:36:01 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 19:35:49 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45120 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLV12-0000Vs-O1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34100) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLV11-0000Vf-6c for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:35:48 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45396) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLV0v-0000r8-Vr; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:35:42 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=+1V8vCEIQy9DRDDJeiwQRjMAlmcmiBOqpA7YEa9xw/4=; b=WabB6TIf9W8N /M1PQRyUQz23RwKaZZPqqpqyF0uRKcaXPDK+y+gKCUUU58eAO6lFFk5X/cB9UZvLS/1J20M4oTM09 cHCj64qbABBrmOB+Sev82X+w4u2iJ9NAfvjz0BMvysSCTtji1OTJahqkRTaj1fwwYrhLmG4P/NTQI lf5RiJdXlALC9K5aA/NI7qeNG0XC4MeFoDuiTlvDiQhniS0V0U/zRA2ZPsUqU5Iznfp/31k96E714 maYBYIcMpyM4ynePdJVjIcAFmFYy+yzoy5bAh/QU6vtoQmVy0Gdi1CTaIjYeipBmRHb65Nc6T8qoA qJiId7JVnBp35WoxVNMhhg==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4571 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oLV0n-0002dp-M8; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:35:38 -0400 Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:35:23 +0300 Message-Id: <83mtcdrz0k.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87iln1tdvl.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:29:02 +0200) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> <83r11przmq.fsf@gnu.org> <87iln1tdvl.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:29:02 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii writes: > > > No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. > > If I select a buffer via `C-x C-b', `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', `C-x b M-n' > just says "End of history" -- in ido. But in "emacs -Q", hitting `M-n' > twice does get me to the same buffer, like you say. > > So I guess this should just be fixed in ido somehow? Yes, I think so. Maybe they override M-n? (I don't use ido.) 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[71.125.52.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id bm23-20020a05620a199700b006b633dc839esm12640145qkb.66.2022.08.09.12.10.42 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 12:10:42 -0700 (PDT) From: dick In-Reply-To: <83y1vxs1l9.fsf@gnu.org> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 21:39:46 +0300") References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> <83y1vxs1l9.fsf@gnu.org> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 15:10:42 -0400 Message-ID: <87sfm59qrx.fsf@dick> User-Agent: Gnus/5.14 (Gnus v5.14) Commercial/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:25:40 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) EZ> And after you do this once, M-p will also do. Yes, GNU Emacs users should do that. Commercial Emacs users will use "C-x b RET". Closing. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. >> >> If I select a buffer via `C-x C-b', `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', `C-x b M-n' >> just says "End of history" -- in ido. But in "emacs [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii writes: >> > No, that's M-p. M-n is "future history", it's invented by Emacs. >> >> If I select a buffer via `C-x C-b', `C-x 2', `C-x b RET', `C-x b M-n' >> just says "End of history" -- in ido. But in "emacs -Q", hitting `M-n' >> twice does get me to the same buffer, like you say. >> >> So I guess this should just be fixed in ido somehow? > > Yes, I think so. Maybe they override M-n? (I don't use ido.) `M-n' doesn't quite fit in with how ido works -- its thing is that it always shows you a number of candidates you choose between using the arrow keys. Hm... oh! Playing with this a bit more, it seems like ido is doing something similar as `M-n'. If you hit C-x b you get the buffer name that was shown in the window earlier -- I haven't noticed that before. So there does indeed not seem to be anything to fix here. From unknown Sat Sep 20 07:52:08 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57081: 29.0.50; [PATCH] Point associated with Window for good reasons Resent-From: Eli Zaretskii Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:20:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57081 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: patch To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57081-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57081.166031037224955 (code B ref 57081); Fri, 12 Aug 2022 13:20:02 +0000 Received: (at 57081) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Aug 2022 13:19:32 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55927 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oMUZY-0006UQ-4e for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:19:32 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41540) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oMUZV-0006UC-00 for 57081@debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:19:30 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:46002) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oMUZP-0002aW-Fq; Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:19:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnu.org; s=fencepost-gnu-org; h=References:Subject:In-Reply-To:To:From:Date: mime-version; bh=EtRb+yuaObyjusBzGo3bDxybE5G9NoXYdga6WbwI4h4=; b=iMb/n125fsSf ymAUwGq4YUuipYixX8loCiSRHD2H4Vb+Buj88POze8wJjgZMFnqxVLVPjgefl5lnjEsU+KdJXvsax MWoxR3AbVZKnl/qZFjxX+VUk9Byf8Cv0/+xoPIRL/0FZu1ByuKeeL10pjMQFW9WUpbZRaM6XzExFu 5BggwehmkvcEJ9fqgK7id5h1YwNQmBtX+6N9pHDG0I7uIqF3fhea+xVfhmoalRhrOGsQAjn0Un+Fg Q1Lh2hmQL/ohuVTgAVIu4+RtkVCkWeoskOb3rVyPOcj62ZJKVSy+BQPI32HEH+ttHAK4DYxNr10BA ZtEGrHxntgXnETQ+fEvjVw==; Received: from [87.69.77.57] (port=4014 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oMUZO-0002BX-Ve; Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:19:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 16:19:18 +0300 Message-Id: <834jyhoazt.fsf@gnu.org> From: Eli Zaretskii In-Reply-To: <87czd5r4pe.fsf@gnus.org> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:06:53 +0200) References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> <83r11przmq.fsf@gnu.org> <87iln1tdvl.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtcdrz0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87czd5r4pe.fsf@gnus.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen > Cc: dick.r.chiang@gmail.com, 57081@debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:06:53 +0200 > > Hm... oh! Playing with this a bit more, it seems like ido is doing > something similar as `M-n'. If you hit > > C-x b > > > > you get the buffer name that was shown in the window earlier -- I > haven't noticed that before. So ido places "future history" on the arrow key, it seems. 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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: dick writes: >> So there does indeed not seem to be anything to fix here. > > As usual, you people miss the point. Is there any chance that you'll ever explain what your point is, then? 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[71.125.52.37]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id u22-20020a05620a431600b006af08c26774sm1892004qko.47.2022.08.12.06.41.33 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Fri, 12 Aug 2022 06:41:34 -0700 (PDT) From: dick In-Reply-To: <87czd5r4pe.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 12 Aug 2022 15:06:53 +0200") References: <87zggdbp6y.fsf@dick> <87czd9wbbp.fsf@gnus.org> <835yj1th4y.fsf@gnu.org> <87y1vxuvdx.fsf@gnus.org> <831qtptgc8.fsf@gnu.org> <87v8r1tetg.fsf@gnus.org> <83r11przmq.fsf@gnu.org> <87iln1tdvl.fsf@gnus.org> <83mtcdrz0k.fsf@gnu.org> <87czd5r4pe.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 09:41:33 -0400 Message-ID: <87fsi1o9yq.fsf@dick> User-Agent: Gnus/5.14 (Gnus v5.14) Commercial/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Mailman-Approved-At: Fri, 12 Aug 2022 11:39:29 -0400 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) > So there does indeed not seem to be anything to fix here. As usual, you people miss the point. At least we are equally fervent about "being right."