From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: michael.albinus@gmx.de, bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:48:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 57061@debbugs.gnu.org Cc: Michael Albinus X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-Xcc: Michael Albinus Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.165998085711076 (code B ref -1); Mon, 08 Aug 2022 17:48:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2022 17:47:37 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oL6qn-0002sa-9I for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:47:37 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:34880) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oL6qk-0002sQ-TD for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:47:35 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:38244) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oL6qk-0006Cw-Ns for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:47:34 -0400 Received: from mail-vs1-f52.google.com ([209.85.217.52]:37681) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oL6qj-0000Dw-Al for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 13:47:34 -0400 Received: by mail-vs1-f52.google.com with SMTP id 66so9582252vse.4 for ; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:47:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=RxaBlKLyFhmu4WxBmAALq3e5gAXJtO7yLtmpsVj3ls4=; b=PPz/7jXZIecpePvEnWWYW3KGV4Mnrmc4xk03xDQWIJN4Sk8rfYU8oMpOsMwSV0Jwsr RMlFmBlvs0DKHjWOxPBpYwaboO/E9OeDD/Zp3ewnNQXBbOUUPfejHo1tmgVBe456p9x9 gydXS/5C7kxcLkn2O+RZXPKVP9k+XuemdAK3qhbh49y4QL+G+eREooD3g5O1PIfdyDyv Em/9nVbypiUwWMgyXLwRdmJe4iavcImdBftTSgssdf1GuOKR8/UA7tjkHhH4pfKys7VY xD3biVZpenmH77xTGBS+OJcjUaPo2//AWQlaq9jXjKvdX5KMFqff5zN7MTyRe6zy08qe bUaQ== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo3O9vNeP598IRl1IhsJrxrFNNqoflXnDFwQR3b5sk2eOGugIpVX APgAuD2dniZPbmjsfOTaGHkqTfZt61BEiV9rcyrN5yaq X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR42iS7fU/tkzvMocPI71+ulCCTGlk5N6Nv1xdfgJ97M1I7AAQR8fm2vSrG14urzrixf40r4zjNvllwtmX8V7tM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ff85:0:b0:387:473f:9056 with SMTP id v5-20020a67ff85000000b00387473f9056mr7623743vsq.85.1659980852077; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:47:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:47:31 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:47:31 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.217.52; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-vs1-f52.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist Info node `(tramp) Change file name syntax': The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs. Is it really relevant to contrast this with XEmacs, given its significantly reduced user base? How about just removing the above reference to XEmacs from the manual, and adapt `tramp-syntax' accordingly? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:35:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 57061@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57061.166002327320004 (code B ref 57061); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 05:35:02 +0000 Received: (at 57061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 05:34:33 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42306 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLHsu-0005CZ-ID for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 01:34:32 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:59717) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLHsp-0005CG-Ag for 57061@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 01:34:31 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1660023261; bh=WK6r5iYjv7LmiPat/JQZGPoEV4tn3Zs5pn5ndhYvb3o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=QRkOtF4ZqaG+IqKdflCSDGmcoF/MXzlVqBSaROaS43f2HcZQ6cpaVT7Q4g1gBrgBb sL/tebUH5Au1QBVw9mC5KV4kUVQAQWWk24ugGQ/4dLAqkAgsJDakOOxObB+bZLRj23 eFihogoMDxQgC5PBSuoDlzkONqjpSwSC7/V6H6Lg= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.148.46]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx104 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MryXN-1nZWrw06J3-00nxbd; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:34:21 +0200 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:47:31 -0700") References: Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:34:19 +0200 Message-ID: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:1IZwBLA/Vk/AwrTI5NsW6vx653VEIhToudjY5vu387RB/vcZTiG YnTgpL3D1O8Q/Vu8S1B3f1Ep+cjxtxF66EZUPVfUgz/6utL3zgtTP+Z0KiAFUcijsVs3PiG ZP0rR631PKPYoy2dwwL6XmgzAPAsAdRdp2iaGq5RlKBxHH6uVQCNQ2zPeM8redzQu3TaqB+ 3mk74VkDLzq+9SWwPBxPg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:8vwcPQn9l+4=:z+pLIstHl04lgdmdbwwTDI /ab50t1nu2dWy5NSl+7yEW0NGUjmuD7qwqdeE8cGEt4985YjIFhuEmqzrz5WX0N5uhwyO/60V Va6Bij0AgcdcHll/sewraXlIgqXZZbbz5zeB7Kj4cfaaC2B2EYnlLmFjoD5qNiNPJ2gM9rsf5 oRCmkxdEALdkURv1zNs1deQY5JxQNFgsBE4do2BIMAqWRhyUSiommHPyLn+5kN+wiIGfnjLLa rpsWQW2qGLXGl9/q3ZkbXVzJEjper1ENUAQpxI9ZbqBkqlntexus+hmyJlEkz3+LVqzjtdhRL auh7Ts2smvoOmmHhYDdNqyi757FaWIMYgw+pgzS8xCV0tFuiVFIslKzc17j16ou3b54rMqWNA bGQOHbxxkXB/sKRYVgla/enGMt+SLA344xSDMAiMY3G+0S6Gj2N7X1GvTeSS9s8J8RVCT5OLY WQ/34FkJuV9MI+XER3k/FSdoGdGC2+Vyl2Bh6po8I+G/j3FYJaAChZ3WWQXXhcJba2bwE3+yn M774TqUs69b1jBmDhYhppPddJO2wyf7Tk8BllkS7QG4DqSJpSCXvpflIB+dawEMsXCXrrEflF RMgwUhjqBw4cwjflktvE5w5LQAYNw91BdQ/Bmo/LzHV/3WGj4OV9+mn9gYhPvqM4oMbDZHCzr yydKCrU+HpQFX1LCPIpzEBDKK9eex6kD7wASlTqkdVpYpTpfINfB5XuH/8g7l0px+sDWrG3hl jn9PFjiyl13HDShnG6137X5j/J/KCekvPRAJ7GLzSVZ7FB6k3hhiocleypuNzgTfV6uAuBkdW 50M84Q8RvoPuv2MlkBvwzKHiT6Apt0T5KnflEtQiu0RVNSnmjTfI0Icgf/YTfQ9nHkYQb9L0O 6sdX5RqioatF0IOsQDMpyRy2gwp7g5OO9O6i2W45s9bhNPTUnbgSx/dHgLSaVcn/npyWGuSlz 2Lq8Y0eXOfbuEXqdhxJz/arRAltRpGW9PDlz84SSZ3utEZ5H6n/z5l4QH7Img7O2NgCoj8Vdh ll0Rcgvzs2/DFTsZlFHPbmZ45mtEfE9p9whZdS82itUJ4Iy6rF2I4ibKICXMOezsa5uImMSH1 MXZymKwBu69iQFaxqC6+/BR75nO9bZPCBYrWL/2HF9WOE6I1lUlwVTIUw== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: Hi Stefan, > Info node `(tramp) Change file name syntax': > > The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs. > > Is it really relevant to contrast this with XEmacs, given its > significantly reduced user base? How about just removing the above > reference to XEmacs from the manual, and adapt `tramp-syntax' > accordingly? When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"? Best regards, Michael. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:32:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus Cc: 57061@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas Received: via spool by 57061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57061.16600699082891 (code B ref 57061); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 18:32:02 +0000 Received: (at 57061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 18:31:48 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44916 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU15-0000kY-Rf for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:31:48 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:52638) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU13-0000kJ-Pm for 57061@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 14:31:47 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=GTXo7xXrrO5Fkqe7UfZ+HDFeYRgQQv9Hef7RQ/OS8AU=; b=o5RuJib43dZC6Gauf/ccgsOUdC /mcH/aBY5JtWXZK+NP6bav+1k1T7EkdRjs1ugIJi6LuMqebFcp6macx2SrlOciObqC0vk/jDE26Cv wpzxVzYktfXjAuc7XoxDEwNXOnTdiXZFq8H6WpRb0rg8/2W391gIGLoO92vjJauTRswc=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oLU0v-0006Zf-FQ; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:31:39 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> (Michael Albinus's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:34:19 +0200") References: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> X-Now-Playing: The Soft Pink Truth's _Do You Want New Wave Or Do You Want The Soft Pink Truth?_: "Kitchen (L. Voag)" Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:31:37 +0200 Message-ID: <87edxpuv3q.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Albinus writes: > When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the > Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too > aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Pe [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Albinus writes: > When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the > Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too > aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads > better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"? Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"? From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:15:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 57061@debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas Received: via spool by 57061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57061.16600760625879 (code B ref 57061); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:15:02 +0000 Received: (at 57061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 20:14:22 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45158 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLVcL-0001Wl-VL for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:14:22 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.15]:33333) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLVcH-0001WV-Ff for 57061@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:14:21 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1660076051; bh=3WXNIOSOz6ft++W22p/IvAdK+2s6FRIPpRH4hyQi/GA=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=bDZpoy0xiS8vXGND/Z59GthzKkrjX8ExKl8Nw97Gak+vUDv6t49LgltxJpRlMYnS0 Daexguv5z2UDwbtVR6cT5UtZNYXUxMu8s+wqVuwaT+HptZq6aRgnAXckDUH9yRF6Re ichX022m5SHE6wewcxLEpJnOtKwVYK/SHOjRd6rs= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([213.220.148.165]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1M4s0j-1oMLEC0hM7-001xwy; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:14:11 +0200 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: <87edxpuv3q.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:31:37 +0200") References: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> <87edxpuv3q.fsf@gnus.org> Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:14:08 +0200 Message-ID: <87r11pfa3z.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ZCcOKUvdnzleUX7N87ZDm7viYe3D/87dhmL3qA0waHG23U+Gb2H iwXq5gG0F00C4RAk3UgVyxXVJ0I4W4qEQ4M1guoXa19FaXD3x19flL3QslHgsdrBRWZSSJT lQ3FcPGKiCWpiYLFVzWfUckIZUrH32LITA/BYaWVYUv4lD4wBLPzagE15dc+eubj5M6coNL 2uaxExdduDSAuJdyjtDAg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rarWfPtFl8k=:CgGyGmboqmkXW5pmwc3upU ZfYordb6ccGZNCCHyn+h5slzEAOGc6lvLPUgohku62MJ1tPL8qLLwa0ecsKzuPLGuFwF4H8Al qxeOoggWILw/Q/kD/AgazMT6eaqi3zk0FJgH+HgOq8FRcM9SeKgdolkG8b+b2ZVnARlAJ4zHn ZjpvU5fAo/PPHiEltigl5o7H433g9bH976Kf06FQJsQOaxsFVFvTHpAT8AhACymjZwjStYkV5 Xx01EVAOyaD5Z7mkSLt0hd0lF9yqL50h3vtS2yysmz0vwF2z0/qb/2p0qijP4QTnRB+1sEQ0d gLV3F2X3W25Vyq0LTT1GPIPAD3MFMW0gYnnFymRO3CCrIO2Q0g55nCx1VwluP412QndL/2U6l 3BR0yosYkPxlzQEFTJUk7d+X/bDvwveySLqpvN8s5zMZQghLx0ndMCdlo3/igNvrGmhVwL2Ru Xz37uP3f0fxVc/0nqx+NQbJ78H0KZ0HXYTLd//VZLVa+S9xTSoT0PV2pp8KlzFRjvKV3FyIfO ohI1wv636Zjywr0A1FdUegoaMQ06e5aG2cjPdXygniaM/RUsnIe1NvuFmxZAqdQvbBtQ2AhZK N5hZ290LxHNU48/KGCvA+AF3pMUbvaTjtyNU4xN8T4o0FvfEiHLBvUdKlwScK9zD3ZhFyl1E0 otaL8AXVAVRg5UomaNzRt5fPcOfMstWy3ycf81CzHOUHVBO5AKS0CBpvU/XONbOvo3Sk7b4xl RmyZpOKV6uQCIrVJWj1w0oCnoCPTpDYNBqOrHwBy1jCCvRgRyRhcmfoG/xBVTa3ZUF/i8RPgB q9U+kIGWErAk9qa9AIBBY7k9Oyrsn6A1E6SRrBzKNbEvSa00UbRsX6PVHZHOsRu/SKiSVn0zC Z3SSEOGp+1XrG7Tl5Cn8tbp0vkuRbLapKvD4ssthjroJWaY+4T1zfgrIteUZy5bULMnZ9g3Lt ZskpiRh/JHDbSKT6XrQ9qAw8bwjxCtY8UvTvOMD2Bzm37MqeVXTw6Zjqsb1/L1eRBOhvvRo/K F50yxcRjiNP941NRIePbZb+rhsvxYE0lENPqHpFXqrKVxQ0Q1lmHejp02Uj0oP/20vR2OBmm1 f8BBg5EZQIi3ohx60ThD/1WZfzo+sGM9GFiWEIepeWMHoZQ0wIL8pNzbg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: Hi Lars, >> When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the >> Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too >> aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads >> better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"? > > Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"? No problem for me. My point is that this syntax is inherited from XEmacs, and it should be said so. The concrete wording doesn't matter. Best regards, Micvhael. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:53:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Michael Albinus , Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 57061@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57061.166007837718955 (code B ref 57061); Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:53:01 +0000 Received: (at 57061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 9 Aug 2022 20:52:57 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45235 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLWDg-0004vc-Jt for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:52:57 -0400 Received: from mail-vs1-f47.google.com ([209.85.217.47]:35693) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLWDd-0004v4-7t for 57061@debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 16:52:54 -0400 Received: by mail-vs1-f47.google.com with SMTP id 67so5784470vsv.2 for <57061@debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:52:53 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:mime-version:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=e4kBvm/6N6jrthNDJyQlaE8ICERZXmjw+iH/X5s5Ngc=; b=2ApkluwYNTjGvPBjIN+mb9cZ2MbIF8FkTVgiO+/AjDduLPwFk9i8QTkk/ZYhNUNUXh fXf1hoVYLpNGnZ0C5Ek0OaWizjXonNOQgDjWT536agogYSjgFiJLDzdwvTBB59NqPWOH okZ6Xx4QvZNhocFo4BR8uoc8ubGXPFmCBcozuikERmb/2/8hcJw9ezjNPp1u6ZVx6SMG u367T9axli7lHGxpBTxoxmE0ulxDzJQvBFc8JKWv6Z0jlMTM5q83LfbTfiEKwjMsnHjn dxAVmb+LC462FfGUPY9xyJrFz836xUp5ENRc6aLicA6oTLduTbuMVi0s3M5RWjgHk6vc knBg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo0w+eyjoxTPcz91nAj1HEN0jt+e0Wz/WlR3BBBzp2x5NOiBOsLT 7X/HKEGWmVEoJbh4kZ8RPwJe/1KAQhavLfkzvvk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR5hIGY9+bl0R+7uiaghpiV7uh+d30msZ7xF+ctdh2drABWoWCmxdRZI6BJtWMKp13B580vOhBRzwgkqhbuUiGs= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6102:7c6:b0:37d:34bd:8564 with SMTP id y6-20020a05610207c600b0037d34bd8564mr10186808vsg.59.1660078367656; Tue, 09 Aug 2022 13:52:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:52:47 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87r11pfa3z.fsf@gmx.de> References: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> <87edxpuv3q.fsf@gnus.org> <87r11pfa3z.fsf@gmx.de> X-Hashcash: 1:20:220809:57061@debbugs.gnu.org::wWjCnBIktqyZRpI/:6FoP MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:52:47 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 57061 28.2 thanks Michael Albinus writes: >> Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"? > > No problem for me. My point is that this syntax is inherited from XEmacs, > and it should be said so. The concrete wording doesn't matter. Thanks. Lars' suggestion sounds good to me, so I installed this on emacs-28: diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi index 06df319296..3dc6da6e7d 100644 --- a/doc/misc/tramp.texi +++ b/doc/misc/tramp.texi @@ -3161,7 +3161,7 @@ Change file name syntax @item @code{simplified} @cindex simplified syntax -The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by Ange FTP@. +This remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by Ange FTP@. A remote file name has the form @code{@value{prefix}user@@host@value{postfix}path/to/file}. The @code{user@@} part is optional, and the method is determined by @@ -3173,7 +3173,7 @@ Change file name syntax @clear unified @set separate @include trampver.texi -The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs. +This remote file name syntax originated in the XEmacs text editor. A remote file name has the form @code{@trampfn{method,user@@host,path/to/file}}. The @code{method} and @code{user@@} parts are optional. From unknown Sat Jun 21 10:46:22 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax Resent-From: Michael Albinus Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:21:01 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 57061 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen , 57061@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 57061-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B57061.166011243116348 (code B ref 57061); Wed, 10 Aug 2022 06:21:01 +0000 Received: (at 57061) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Aug 2022 06:20:31 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45830 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLf4w-0004Fc-Pc for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:20:30 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:43779) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oLf4v-0004FP-60 for 57061@debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 02:20:30 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1660112423; bh=caXvSnUsPqoLG+h1AzV/IJufYjzyQXIc+ELkDnstl/o=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:In-Reply-To:References:Date; b=NxOZUZaxTy5rUnfKJ/ELKaLZN+wKN25+aH/r0Zjbv13AfHoKN+XUWwa50ghB6XeW1 q/6uvE262s3NixucW0XL75ecnyt2QRvd0N85MmKA3263dGbkArPJN6zhgOjzz/+o6e ZlRm6rWAx5GYYFcz4CP92xqwIWhIhAKJMTTfbek4= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from gandalf.gmx.de ([79.140.112.40]) by mail.gmx.net (mrgmx004 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MnaoZ-1neesU0end-00jaeq; Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:20:23 +0200 From: Michael Albinus In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:52:47 -0700") References: <874jymkmjo.fsf@gmx.de> <87edxpuv3q.fsf@gnus.org> <87r11pfa3z.fsf@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:20:19 +0200 Message-ID: <87mtccfwm4.fsf@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:8IpDGgpLhkO7IKGV66o0pbpvVbGySW4QdfVP1A0t4EQLv3Wo5Zo cOrXmLVN2sqrtgEGaIONyIV6DZLX3Ih0Oj6J+IkesTkjoAARPtOXLBMr4+sEuvda06E0d0a SECxjSCEdSY1fPnwbs7HpCtUM9pjaRRuw2xGaxVRgiVeXg1+vtJwf8fxxpMgzOpVoVezrIl FY80jfhxsARTWAyW05DTA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:3ozmyljJP8k=:GX3sNNVqfUV8S5/tafYH+8 hLH9ZUxCEbrvkgfS+GWyTjuEegTLnAq9DjuVNUojiLV7vVsqG0y4hSQVehiWCQ/Nzh7YP5iqb eyeLcVx2ZEqzFVW7BjSL8oOQ41JlkgCRmp/yTcskNzbryceBwalbchBF4aSMxMwvokckmowv0 0G13MPps56S5ESDBRWnxlDHKZ3fz5A63U4FKc3OePzcAuMiYMVUCTOUOypBv2SW/A4dHSliN2 09ODMW6Rb1mYQSjWYNkEXRaPJSj1ohTRmJE9Hjhu2j5ECleyLZXkSbcxKVHaVm1yuXdGDYYMV DAq92QPOmNF8v6q9dL2u4H/qpLOdz0Gzwwy8dUCl6oN0Mfhe8i72GK2Gz8ddCBgVC3S05HXxv nsepriqzs5Nv72IJSNEiGlhqhrMtseUIZk9B3g/NqcoJk8HD1TAS+itEPWsi4hxsGQQesFKTl n93jB+Ue/f3Ryfpe+mwAUV1iknQ+YIQO+s/wmX+I+IkMb8Su6tJBAD+a5P1NX2kJBbPJ5iwbG Z7EnsrKi9Ti+CbgKXxonDIuABLdSQroe9puna6pucYbYZUF9HUJ8Rw38eGtHI4stzhVJtCh1D /U4/P10sDveyQA2CmUCbVC3vJhezx6LR+GZlQm3w9icgLBKDxNOqNV5DTefz7EdK6MyzsZlc8 GUeVy1qChKmUZRgt8PmUFfFQcAZwalKmgV6rdJkdZuXbEJG8PvWbhcnksMZhhQ27nUFs3Gppl vRhnfnHmUzAPG2sQlqUrtE1KMBlbXe4DF1oclbjahUx6VQgIiPeT4e/snjr8q5Y+i9ukLKoX+ kPRDLlrUWJZwf9bdBZpjtVIMFZW6AkCQ1gsyryAAWhV9f74kXAJ0bzhcqn7cuzDay0GbVw1dT wpsNCg1iohqgtaQNuS0snXhkt22jZmOgyBJQXsIygTu3LOu0XyRu1MXOvUB8yTUe5oDUHknw7 DACDrurwCoYLHs+urHu+xAjIGaUc/soZ/ds05IJD0ISl3JncZaQzhge8SOvW51qUawPqdKIj1 5UkxHdQ7jo0i0Ekl068QPCSoLQI46NOfOaotBUdzwhm2oWnRZg9+gvHVEuNs+mIpIptCsE2AA Jjrs/qUOrijRwh0+h7BWUkZcX7dfiF63TxOhRN5lfGmDlbaQkCQD0M36g== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Stefan Kangas writes: Hi Stefan, > Lars' suggestion sounds good to me, so I installed this on emacs-28: Thank you! Best regards, Michael.