GNU bug report logs - #57061
Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax

Previous Next

To add a comment to this bug, you must first unarchive it, by sending
a message to control AT debbugs.gnu.org, with unarchive 57061 in the body.
You can then email your comments to 57061 AT debbugs.gnu.org in the normal way.

Toggle the display of automated, internal messages from the tracker.

Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 10:47:31 -0700

Severity: wishlist

Info node `(tramp) Change file name syntax':

    The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs.

Is it really relevant to contrast this with XEmacs, given its
significantly reduced user base?  How about just removing the above
reference to XEmacs from the manual, and adapt `tramp-syntax'
accordingly?

Message #8 received at 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 07:34:19 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

Hi Stefan,

> Info node `(tramp) Change file name syntax':
>
>     The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs.
>
> Is it really relevant to contrast this with XEmacs, given its
> significantly reduced user base?  How about just removing the above
> reference to XEmacs from the manual, and adapt `tramp-syntax'
> accordingly?

When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the
Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too
aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads
better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"?

Best regards, Michael.

Message #11 received at 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
Cc: 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Subject: Re: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 20:31:37 +0200

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

> When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the
> Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too
> aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads
> better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"?

Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"?

Message #14 received at 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Subject: Re: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2022 22:14:08 +0200

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

Hi Lars,

>> When I removed XEmacs compat code from Tramp, I've promised to keep the
>> Tramp syntax, so that XEmacs to GNU Emacs converts don't feel too
>> aliened. That's the reason the reference is in Tramp. Perhaps it reads
>> better "... syntax formerly used by XEmacs"?
>
> Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"?

No problem for me. My point is that this syntax is inherited from XEmacs,
and it should be said so. The concrete wording doesn't matter.

Best regards, Micvhael.

Message #17 received at 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>,
 Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2022 13:52:47 -0700

close 57061 28.2
thanks

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de> writes:

>> Or perhaps "... syntax originating in XEmacs"?
>
> No problem for me. My point is that this syntax is inherited from XEmacs,
> and it should be said so. The concrete wording doesn't matter.

Thanks.

Lars' suggestion sounds good to me, so I installed this on emacs-28:

diff --git a/doc/misc/tramp.texi b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
index 06df319296..3dc6da6e7d 100644
--- a/doc/misc/tramp.texi
+++ b/doc/misc/tramp.texi
@@ -3161,7 +3161,7 @@ Change file name syntax
 @item @code{simplified}
 @cindex simplified syntax

-The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by Ange FTP@.
+This remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by Ange FTP@.
 A remote file name has the form
 @code{@value{prefix}user@@host <at> value{postfix}path/to/file}.  The
 @code{user@@} part is optional, and the method is determined by
@@ -3173,7 +3173,7 @@ Change file name syntax
 @clear unified
 @set separate
 @include trampver.texi
-The remote file name syntax is similar to the syntax used by XEmacs.
+This remote file name syntax originated in the XEmacs text editor.
 A remote file name has the form
 @code{@trampfn{method,user@@host,path/to/file}}.  The @code{method}
 and @code{user@@} parts are optional.

Message #22 received at 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus <at> gmx.de>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, 57061 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#57061: Don't contrast `separate' TRAMP syntax to XEmacs syntax
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2022 08:20:19 +0200

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

Hi Stefan,

> Lars' suggestion sounds good to me, so I installed this on emacs-28:

Thank you!

Best regards, Michael.

Previous Next

GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997,2003 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.