From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:27:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56979: make-command-summary compared to describe-bindings Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 15:24:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: report 56979 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: 56979@debbugs.gnu.org X-Debbugs-Original-To: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Received: via spool by submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B.165962659320334 (code B ref -1); Thu, 04 Aug 2022 15:24:02 +0000 Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2022 15:23:13 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54384 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcgr-0005Hu-2f for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:23:13 -0400 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51708) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcgo-0005Hm-S1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:23:12 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:53286) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcgo-00083P-N4 for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:23:10 -0400 Received: from mail-ua1-f49.google.com ([209.85.222.49]:42916) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcgm-00078W-HX for bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:23:09 -0400 Received: by mail-ua1-f49.google.com with SMTP id l7so8372804ual.9 for ; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 08:23:08 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=lYbeqQHnBnade9z2I9AOu1CkwSHOezlvb2ollwTkK9w=; b=1rfZ85SSgeTeGnSISlepy8iui9I97ZRqJTsAS80hHjJTd0onaFkHdAhvYkDbsKcaTw SvF2px6qzCXEsG/QnC+Fh4LtABX4jbPApj8V2JaouHS2MS0o86H2xsZe8kH/o8fRw7wa G/ksYuPWbCA1H5djw5c0yfjC5N2EXWRrJF7wBRFFUrDfwxOob6qgsKcYq0ydDsgd3dhd /em18RCzZxOwB1QdR7gpJpouwqJF4ePVJ4kbdobfveQuarUuTJ9+Yv/EMYNCchWcibSz vXXdLj0TlilpoJn2p2So6B17UkQ/B5sIAItQFdjoiFKFxRXbEBsJVY3afXrRILCWD+iO jY7g== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo1yJPQTQ0kzEjnrS/bkTgBf0HJriEIsbzHHdc0+sDpQWvq9HxQ+ dAqoJY4q8SYaLHwLtbJS++j3zVl4LM7NhNWKA1xD97vz X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7BoKz6VnRj6qfwY1IC/Kj3nTT5lAT0iTCPdUrQDKo1BTMwaD0phgJEGWswDYn2QafJKmhMLl8QzctVDkkEGW8= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:1423:0:b0:384:da85:8a5b with SMTP id b32-20020ab01423000000b00384da858a5bmr1201392uae.48.1659626587472; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 08:23:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:23:07 +0000 X-Hashcash: 1:21:220804:bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org::QCp5RFlsj6O/7DqD:2rYf From: Stefan Kangas MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:23:07 +0000 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Received-SPF: pass client-ip=209.85.222.49; envelope-from=stefankangas@gmail.com; helo=mail-ua1-f49.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -13 X-Spam_score: -1.4 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, T_SCC_BODY_TEXT_LINE=-0.01 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) Severity: wishlist Is there any benefit to `make-command-summary' in comparison to `describe-bindings'? It seems strictly worse, and even produces rather broken output in several cases, for example: M-) paredit-close-round-and-newlineESC C- paredit-backward-barf-sexp If there is no benefit, perhaps makesum.el should be obsoleted. From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:27:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56979: make-command-summary compared to describe-bindings Resent-From: Lars Ingebrigtsen Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 15:41:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56979 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Stefan Kangas Cc: 56979@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 56979-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56979.165962765530354 (code B ref 56979); Thu, 04 Aug 2022 15:41:02 +0000 Received: (at 56979) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Aug 2022 15:40:55 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54415 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcxy-0007tV-VY for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:40:55 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:53740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcxw-0007tE-Q1 for 56979@debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 11:40:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=CXKec8X8citSwj6eu2/CkAmQyveY/B46WXS0X7ouEUY=; b=YBNviTPfAGB0o3XrnjPohRpoAO SMxQrp92lTxXsh+9L+RIbZHbkSHlEXUDxEeRSoCcvHle5jYJw5P9Y3dwxCXuXUl/Qqh0P6OTx+7Oy s+o9+v+LcDuladTZhVZ7g43MnKVoImJAVW+ayXLz5mCnbp2yvYBuz9p1XA5kAxDvyOdo=; Received: from [84.212.220.105] (helo=joga) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1oJcxo-0008HL-9p; Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:40:46 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen In-Reply-To: (Stefan Kangas's message of "Thu, 4 Aug 2022 15:23:07 +0000") References: X-Now-Playing: Robert Wyatt's _Rock Bottom_: "Alifib" Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:40:43 +0200 Message-ID: <87iln8f24k.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas writes: > If there is no benefit, perhaps makesum.el should be obsoleted. Looks useless to me. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Stefan Kangas writes: > If there is no benefit, perhaps makesum.el should be obsoleted. Looks useless to me. From unknown Wed Jun 18 00:27:28 2025 X-Loop: help-debbugs@gnu.org Subject: bug#56979: make-command-summary compared to describe-bindings Resent-From: Stefan Kangas Original-Sender: "Debbugs-submit" Resent-CC: bug-gnu-emacs@gnu.org Resent-Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:43:02 +0000 Resent-Message-ID: Resent-Sender: help-debbugs@gnu.org X-GNU-PR-Message: followup 56979 X-GNU-PR-Package: emacs X-GNU-PR-Keywords: To: Lars Ingebrigtsen Cc: 56979@debbugs.gnu.org Received: via spool by 56979-submit@debbugs.gnu.org id=B56979.16599697668071 (code B ref 56979); Mon, 08 Aug 2022 14:43:02 +0000 Received: (at 56979) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Aug 2022 14:42:46 +0000 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41468 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oL3xt-000265-L1 for submit@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:42:45 -0400 Received: from mail-vs1-f49.google.com ([209.85.217.49]:39930) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from ) id 1oL3xp-00025K-21 for 56979@debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 10:42:41 -0400 Received: by mail-vs1-f49.google.com with SMTP id c3so9024946vsc.6 for <56979@debbugs.gnu.org>; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:42:41 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20210112; h=x-gm-message-state:from:in-reply-to:references:user-agent :mime-version:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=t6lRqpPcxxOr1TBMvnsOwo744NqIiYOvpVE54U/J/o8=; b=KdCibezFc7u7hmktJbFYrSGoXxITshVnqtbNKvR4Rbw6Z16FPu6x/S3T7oZRh8FlzL xFrxj6XWT2s7NmXQkdwtpq5l32wlJlhFniGh74kUQBy2z+ygWq6FpqDSwM0pwAQgaMHj 3qTvhY7Aaubzv+HB9pwoVly4Oa1jahNzxfp86XSXOF7JE/jixI8bGOQoQb9KK6oCjEqW l5pgvqw1SdQdYszn5KNAD9272rs/Uhcb17MHGLAOTcdca6VpkXBJ5T16ZgE13F2KjNcv +ZeCO7eZPTT2a45xOgakHbR9bT0eUJAQaGaeGf/yrD3UkeDuzMhOB78fZwn/CCtSD81v Tseg== X-Gm-Message-State: ACgBeo35aTNHdzqbmwtLzGhmPNuC+TJ3l8ROzMFgTKT7d8MRmGLd+i1C 0uV5BOnjl2kXAXTCSfV39YiGI3M91KykEyfdujLZb3mj X-Google-Smtp-Source: AA6agR7sCMNlM6qohqJreSZyaEi2JpGmzQeXl6U88yKBhpp6R/H1Y4Y9x364JTCkp9TZu4fG/TMENFi59XSXSYgvYjM= X-Received: by 2002:a67:ff85:0:b0:387:473f:9056 with SMTP id v5-20020a67ff85000000b00387473f9056mr7254028vsq.85.1659969760694; Mon, 08 Aug 2022 07:42:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from 753933720722 named unknown by gmailapi.google.com with HTTPREST; Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:42:40 -0700 From: Stefan Kangas In-Reply-To: <87iln8f24k.fsf@gnus.org> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Thu, 04 Aug 2022 17:40:43 +0200") References: <87iln8f24k.fsf@gnus.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/29.0.50 (gnu/linux) X-Hashcash: 1:20:220808:larsi@gnus.org::YJvPHOHPRXRSoH46:9urZ MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2022 07:42:40 -0700 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit@debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces@debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) close 56979 29.1 thanks Lars Ingebrigtsen writes: > Stefan Kangas writes: > >> If there is no benefit, perhaps makesum.el should be obsoleted. > > Looks useless to me. Thanks, so I've now marked it as obsolete (commit 425a5bfc9a).