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23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken

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From: Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
Date: Fri, 05 Mar 2010 15:59:13 +0500

Hi.
In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".

 Info: 

In GNU Emacs 23.1.92.1 (x86_64-apple-darwin, NS apple-appkit-1038.25)
 of 2010-01-30 on black.local
Windowing system distributor `Apple', version 10.3.1038
configured using `configure  '--host=x86_64-apple-darwin' '--build=i686-apple-darwin' '--with-ns' 'build_alias=i686-apple-darwin' 'host_alias=x86_64-apple-darwin' 'CC=gcc''

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Message #8 received at 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Chong Yidong <cyd <at> stupidchicken.com>
To: Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru>, Vasily Korytov <vasily <at> korytov.pp.ru>
Cc: 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 13:07:03 -0500

Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru> wrote:

> In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
> Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".

I believe this is due to the layout change proposed by Vasily Korytov at

  http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=904

The new layout is supposed to better conform to actual Russian
typewriter layouts.  Is this mistaken?

Message #11 received at 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
To: Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru>
Cc: 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, vasily <at> korytov.pp.ru
Subject: Re: bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
Date: Sat, 06 Mar 2010 19:56:27 +0200

> In russian-typewriter input method all numbers moved to upper register.
> Letter "ё" binded to key "/" instead "\".

Please see http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=904
that resulted in this change [Cc:ed Vasily Korytov]

Also see my suggestion in the same bug#904 that should fix this problem.
What do you think?

-- 
Juri Linkov
http://www.jurta.org/emacs/

Message #14 received at 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Vasily Korytov <vasily <at> korytov.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>
Cc: 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2010 18:10:39 +0300

Actually, the replaced keyboard layout was nor «Russian Typewriter»
(as referred by Wikipedia, MS Windows, X.org and so on), nor anyway
standartized.

This was a very weird keyboard (it does not conform to _any_ standard,
it seems, it was written by some person and based solely on his own
opinion, what keys he would like in the upper row). Frankly, I'm
against resurrecting it because of this.

I don't mind resurrecting the old «russian-typewriter» keyboard as
«russian-dos» or «russian-legacy», but some work needs to be done to
make it conform to the actual DOS standard (numbers in lower case, but
different upper case symbols on the number keys). Unfortunately,
currently I don't own such keyboard or have specs for the layout. We
could make «russian-legacy» keyboard basing on the Xorg ru[legacy]
layout instead.

Semen, could you have a look on the Xorg ru[legacy] layout and say,
would that layout satisfy you?

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Message #17 received at 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Vasily Korytov <vasily <at> korytov.org>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri <at> jurta.org>, 5684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
	Semka Novikov <me <at> sdfgh153.ru>
Subject: Re: bug#5684: 23.1.92; russian-typewriter broken
Date: Sun, 18 Sep 2011 14:44:40 +0200

Vasily Korytov <vasily <at> korytov.org> writes:

> Actually, the replaced keyboard layout was nor «Russian Typewriter»
> (as referred by Wikipedia, MS Windows, X.org and so on), nor anyway
> standartized.
>
> This was a very weird keyboard (it does not conform to _any_ standard,
> it seems, it was written by some person and based solely on his own
> opinion, what keys he would like in the upper row). Frankly, I'm
> against resurrecting it because of this.

This doesn't seem to be a bug, then, so I'm closing the report.

> I don't mind resurrecting the old «russian-typewriter» keyboard as
> «russian-dos» or «russian-legacy», but some work needs to be done to
> make it conform to the actual DOS standard (numbers in lower case, but
> different upper case symbols on the number keys). Unfortunately,
> currently I don't own such keyboard or have specs for the layout. We
> could make «russian-legacy» keyboard basing on the Xorg ru[legacy]
> layout instead.

If somebody wants such a keyboard layout, a new wishlist item could be
filed.

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